, political islam. if you want to distract attention from that you focus on the people like me who are born within islam who are saying hey, look there are people individuals among us who are trying to -- >> you attack the messenger. >> and they attack the messenger. >> we've seen that done repeatedly. haroon -- >> she just accused me of being a medina muslim. this is exactly what i'm saying. this is not a serious conversation. if we want to talk about fact the overwhelming majority of american muslims including conservative american muslims are happily integrated. yes, i said it at the beginning there is a threat a radical threat. i'm not denying it. i think it would be extremely grossly irresponsible to deny it. i'm simply asking is it a great a threat as we think it is? >> what do you think is the solution to solving the problem of radical islam within the united states? >> there isn't a problem -- >> you just acknowledged there. >> beyond -- hold on. i didn't finish. >> we have isis in all 50 states

the islamic state is fighting a two front war. because the kurdish regional government -- against the kurdish regional government and against the syrian army. they have substantial forces on both sides and are able to attack in both places. as we've seen with how myra in ramadi falling, excessively to fight these two front wars. the fact they can do this means that they have not given up, have not retreated. there were hopes in iraq there would be an attempt to retake moselle --mosul. ramadi is so close to baghdad. in syria taking palmyra or the town next to it, were there was a notorious prison where there were many islamist prisoners is a major coup for them. but when we say half of syria is now under isis control, what that means is have to territories, three court is of the population is still under government control. nermeen: charlie glass, could you talk about the significance of palmyra? not only is at the side of the ancient ruins, but it is also close to the oil and gas fields which the syrian government uses to generate

what does she believe when it comes to muslims and islam? >> pamela geller believes that islam is inherently violent, inherently prone to terrorism and should be condemned wholesale. this is not someone who minces words. this is not someone who has a nuanced perspective on islam or its 1.6 billion practitioners. that's one of the reasons why the southern poverty law center and the anti-defamation league have both condemned her organization the american freedom defense initiative as a hate group. >> bigger picture, todd you wrote this whole book on islamaphobia here in america. what did you find? what did you think would most surprise us? >> well that this is a very long history in terms of the anxieties and the fears and really the hostilities towards islam and muslims in the west. this goes all the way back to the middle ages. it's alive and well today in the 21st century. so its longevity personcertainly would be a surprise to a lot of people that these aren't particularly new.

they have a better understanding of what islam is. so they do not always rely on the ground, although they do. they also rely on the stories and islamic history. isis is immune to the messages. the establishment as illegitimate and also because they can find examples. i'll give you an example 1st. an early figures, very respective of the peace. he was 1st caliph commander-in-chief. and there was a battle in what yesterday iraq between the muslim army and the persian army. during the battle the muslim army was being defeated, the persian army was strong and powerful. at some time the muslim army -- sorry, the commander promised god -- there is a word for it but if he defeats persian army he would equate the blood -- a river out of there blood. so eventually he is a savvy commander in defeats persian army and started to slaughter the people that tried to flee. the the trick for him was economic a river and to the blood. basically needed to fund the solution. made a place to god. he gets killed the captives. is not the river. he did not

islam. people that fly a plane into a building can claim they are muslim and do it in the name of islam. i recall in the introof this programme mentioning that islam encourages suicide bombing. suicide and murder the cause in the consequence of the suicide bombing, the suicide and the murder are vehemently forbidden in islam. people can perceive on the one hand or claim on the other hand that their motive or islam particularly but we need to step back and analyse the true motivations. humans are motivated in any action by a complicated formula. in many instances religion might be part of that value. >> for al-qaeda ore i.s.i.l. it's a main value, they are religious. >> they claim to be reliageo, i would say they are more ido logs, and the claims to religion are a religion that doesn't accommodate for the religion including islam, that they have promoted such as patiently and dignity enduring oppression. working through common shared values such as the sanctity of innocent life to solve your

that is an islamic practice with due respect is nonsense. it may be a cultural expression fine. it may be a personal wish. fine. if i want to put a bone through my nose i have a right. but then do i have a right to say a bone through my nose is an islamic thing? >> it think the first reaction from the muslim community was one of surprise, of astonishment and then i think a certain amount of anger. >> reporter: shafiq morton is a journalist and a convert to islam. >> there was a feeling of insult and hurt as well that somebody could come in and make these assumptions about the state of the community and make these claims that the community wasn't open, that it wasn't welcoming and that it was a closed community, that it was ultra- conservative in the negative sense. >> reporter: but it's not just hargey seeking an alternative to conservative islam. the idea has caught on in small numbers in places like canada to paris to los angeles where mosques have opened up seeking to cater to women or gay people. >> i think what we're seeing is an attemp

what does she believe when it comes to muslims and islam? >> pamela geller believes that islam is inherently violent,

in his book, jim argues that isis the islamic state in iraq and syria which i argue is al qaeda 3.0 steve asked how the war on terror has gone, and certainly if -- on september 12, 2001 someone had told any of news the room, except their naval academy kids who were in diapers at that point big diapers sometimes the kid up there, there would not be another significant attack on the united states territory in those 14-15 years we would have been delighted and astonished that was the case. in fact there have been a great number of successes in the war against al qaeda and the broader war against radical islamic extremism, and the drone war has been a success. the mistakes we have made in that war most importantly invading iraq unnecessarily and badly in march of 2003, have given new life to the radical islamists ideology, an ideology that i expect to continue to be a scourge on humanity for the rest of the center. a decidedly mixed report card. to date there have been, if not -- i think there have been extraordinary successes. there have been extraordinary failures. there have been gross err

the conflict with islamic state is expanding across the region. you can see from the shaded areas here where they have support or control. in syria, they are now the most powerful rebel group. in iraq, they have exploded city grievances against the shia government to take more territory. their attack today on she is in saudi arabia and another one in yemen will further inflame sectarian tensions. which is exactly what the jihadists are aiming for -- a sectarian war where all sunnis unite behind them. they have stopped i is from overrunning kurdish towns but airpower alone has its limitations. >> with a western coalition made the decision that we will use airpower only and that we will then, to a degree, arm and train the kurds and the iraqi government. >> but the iraqi army has been incapable of pushing back islamic state without help from shia militias trained by iran and they are not welcome in sunni areas. it's a conundrum that i.s. continues to exploit. >> for more on the fight against islamic state, i spoke a short time ago with a professor a

to make its enemy radical islam. >> terrorists in islamic costume. it uses the adjective "islamic" in the correct way. i believe that islamic terrorism is an oxymoron. if i could impose to muslim term -- if i could impose the muslim term for these people, and i've given in scriptural references they are the dogs of hell. we believe in the islamic tradition that these people subscribe to that. the anti christ himself emerging from the last remnants. those are the two terms i encourage using. >> we need to understand the religious dimension of this as people studying the problem in terms of public dialogue and in terms of motivation of this we must name the enemy kind of motif. you know, the thing that i think about when i think about this is in 2013 i did a study of white supremacists' use of twitter and found the people following premises on twitter talked continually and primarily about main stream conservative republican politics. we don't insist that neo-nazis be referred to as conservative radicals or republican radicals and i think if it's a dou

islam. people that fly a plane into a building can claim they are muslim and do it in the name of islam. i recall in the introof this programme mentioning that islam encourages suicide bombing. suicide and murder, the cause in the consequence of the suicide bombing, the suicide and the murder are vehemently forbidden in islam. people can perceive on the one hand or claim on the other hand that their motive or islam particularly, but we need to step back and analyse the true motivations. humans are motivated in any action by a complicated formula. in many instances religion might be part of that value. >> for al-qaeda ore i.s.i.l., it's a main value, they are religious. >> they claim to be reliageo, i would say they are more ido logs, and the claims to religion are a religion that doesn't accommodate for the religion, including islam, that they have promoted, such as patiently and dignity enduring oppression. working through common shared values, such as the sanctity of innocent life, to solv

true islam is terrorism, yes. the ones that there out committing these atrocities and stuff, they're following the book as it is written. >> what marines and others are fighting and dying for, do events like this thing that are hang in phoenix, do you believe it hurts the out reach to the rest of the world? >> i know what isis is going to say. this is proof what what we're telling you to recruit you out of denver phoenix, that's true. they talk to you about democracy and free speech and living with your religion regardless of what it is but they don't live that in practice. >> aren't you playing into the narrative of isis, which is saying there's a war between the islam and the west. and you can't choose. you can't be muslim in the united states. aren't you playing into theirhands? is nlt this the reaction and message that terrorists want? >> sure. >> sure it is? >> sure. >> so you're playing into isis and al qaeda hands. do you feel good about this? >> i'm doing what i have to do to make sure that my children hav

. >> we begin with an extraordinary chance to look into the islamic state. not a single reporter has dared to venture there. since the gruesome beheadings of journalists began last year. imagine seeing this. >> i'm john cantly, the british citizen abandoned by my own government. >> these could be my last hours in this world. >> and then heading straight into the heart of darkness. but that is precisely what this man did. >> during the months i was preparing the trip, every night i felt a knife on my foot. i felt it physically. >> totenhoffer is a german journalist. last year he crossed the border into isis territory. >> i think you must know your enemy if you want to defeat him. >> he went to moos you will, an iraqi city about the size of philadelphia. population around 1.5 million. it's the biggest prize isis has captured. this extraordinary video gives us a rare look into every day life into isis. it brings to mind the writer -- the binality of evil. isis has its own license plates and traffic cops who give parking tickets. and there are friendly shop keep

we begin with an extraordinary chance to look into the islamic state. not a single reporter has dared to venture there. since the gruesome beheadings of journalists began last year. imagine seeing this. >> i'm john cantley, the british citizen abandoned by my own government. >> and this. >> these could be my last hours in this world. >> and then heading straight into the heart of darkness. ♪ but that is precisely what this man did. >> during the months i was preparing the trip, every night i felt a knife on my throat. i felt it. physically. >> jurgen todenhofer is a german journalist. last year he crossed the border into isis territory. >> i think you must know your enemy if you want to defeat it. >> he went to mosul, an iraqi city about the size of philadelphia. population around 1.5 million. it's the biggest prize isis has captureed. this extraordinary video gives us a rare look into everyday life under isis. it brings to mind a writer's concept, the binnality of evil. isis has its own license plates and traffic cops who give parking tickets. and th

this is a booby trap from the islamic state. don't walk over there. we just crossed about three quarters of mile of open territory to get here with the pesh soldiers, to find out that they're behind this wall because there's actually a sniper around the corner here and they sent a unit out this way to clear out the sniper. >> in suleiman bek we didn't see any iraqi troops. but we did come across a commander from the government's ministry of interior who told us he was helping to coordinate the battle. >> but they're not just fighting isil. shia militias and the peshmerga are trying to consolidate control over disputed areas along the islamic state's border. >> things on the ground indicate that it is a fight for more territory. it is a fight for more natural resources. it's a fight for power. >> not far from the iranian border we met a peshmerga officer who is part of the siege of the city of jalawla. the kurds have never been able to hold on to the city as part of their territory. but they hope that will soon change. >> our forces start from there ok

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islamic state has taken advantage. we have to be careful at looking at this issue of intervention and how we do it and make sure we do it smartly and have a plan all the way through from the beginning. that we are prepared to accept the costs and risks. that the leadership is committed to an action that is aligned with national and interests -- national interest and interests of those in the area. enforcing the execution in our agency process, giving authorities, to allow us to achieve the results necessary. if we are going to get involved in places like this. host: we are talking about iraq and syria and the isis gains. our guest is retired colonel derek harvey. ben joins us from massachusetts democrat line. caller: good morning, colonel harvey. i go back to the beginning of our nation when thomas payne talked about the efforts of police the world. even at that stage in our country's development. we do not have to rue everything that happens in the world, we do not have to control every nation. that is a problem we ha

there's a global war going on against islams and muslims. i wholeheartedly felt that at 15, 16 years old, i subscribed to it, and dedicated the rest of my life -- in fact i was prepared to die for it. >> in the months after 9/11, he was arrested. in an egyptian jail, with what he calls the cream of the crop of jihadists, he was thrilled at first about all he could learn from them, but then he had a jailhouse revelation. >> living so close with them for four years in prison. i came to the conclusion that if these guys, any of them ever got to power, if they ever declared this so-called califate, it would be hell on earth, it would be a living nightmare. >> something had clicked, where once he felt no sympathy for the victims of 9/11, the 7/7 attacks in london he says, made him feel revulsion. now his journey might take him from prison to parliament, he's running for a seat in the british elections in may. he's currently the chairman of a think tank he co founded to study extremism and challenge it. >> people that join isil, they genuinely thi

these islam in -- the islamic state has moved in with significant malicious to the city. it's a surprise which happened overnight. katty: we keep hearing from the administration here in washington that the airstrikes of heads at esses and they have put islamic state on the defense. what we've seen with islamic state looks a little bit like last summer. >> it does. what people put out for public consumption is one thing. reality is reality. we've got to deal with it. i think it calls for the iraqi government to sort out his political house and put it in order. to do that with greater urgency than they have been doing. i see on one side and opportunity here. you saw in your own reports and john simpson's report that the people of ramadi are calling for the shia militias, the popular mobilization units to get involved, it's a call for help. this is basically saying come help us, we trust you. katty: are we certainly trust you more than we trust islamic state. >> exactly. there's got to be a similar position from the iraqi government and we will arm you and we trust. it will

an operation to drive out the islamic group out of anbar province. the announcement was made by a paramilitary association. ramadi fell after the army withdrew. the battle for ramadi after allies have targeted islamic state fighters with yet another round of airstrikes. >> northeast of ramadi a counteroffensive is set in motion. the iraqi army and shiite paramilitary are moving south to drive out the islamic state group. the end game is to retake ramadi . >> the operation will come into the northern areas of the province and southwest tikrit all the way to ramadi. this is a vast area. it is where the islamic state is present. >> according to the umbrella group for fighting militias, the operation has been named after hassan, a revered imam, stoking fears it may fuel sectarian tensions. the government is smarting from comments by the u.s. defense secretary that it's army despite outnumbering the islamic state, has no will to fight sparking a war of words. on the defensive, the chief of the revolutionary guard who said it is the u.s. that has shown no

they are the vanguard of the group that will usher in the perfect true islam and the saver of islam returns. you know this morning i saw a very large number of americans, something like four in ten believe we are in the end times. this isn't an uncommon view of the end times. isis is presenting itself as ushering the end times. it is also saying it as a real state. that claim is not completely false but it is less true. woo we have seen people fight and isis fighters say it is like playing the call of duty but in 3-d so that is a heroic attraction. what is the true threat? 80% of americans believe isis is a serious threat to the use. well it may be a threat to american interest in the middle east but so far only one foreign fighter has carried out a successful attack which was the frenchman who attacked the jewish museum in brussels killing 14 people. that doesn't mean the threat doesn't exist. it is worrisome but not existential. syria is proving to be a grave yard and also a launch pad for attacks. it is a very dangerous war. half of the men who have gone over there have been killed and a

territory for islamic state. it's been a battleground for years. the americans built the fortifications when they were here. now, as then the enemy's weapon of choice is the roadside bomb. we reached the area as the government was rerming the last few positions of the town. we're with a so-called mobilization unit, a many militiaa unit mostly exposed of muslims and run by a dapper man in a uniform of his own devising. the militia are the only troops who seem able to resist islamic state's ferocity. but it is sunni muslim. is there a danger they'll fight a sectarian war here? >> i carry the flag of iraq because i don't just represent shiah or sunni. i represent the whole of iraq. >> this is what they call the front line in the sense that it's the closest that the iraqi forces get to the last remaining islamic positions just on the other side of that ridge there. it's mostly the fire is outgoing. there aren't that many islamic state fighters left but they've just told us that we have to get out in case all the fire

the longer it takes to defeat islamic state of iraq and levant. does it take on the trappings of a real state and become harder to defeat? >> well, yes, definitely. the longer that the islamic state is the reality for people's lives in areas of iraq and syria, the more entrenched it becomes. you already have babies born in mosul and other areas, that have islamic state birth certificates, this is their certificate because they were born in the time of the united states. the longer it exists, the more entrenched it becomes, it's hard to say at the same time particularly in the areas of iraqs, the "ultimate 8" remaining for - in the medium term at least. >> it's hard to imagine saudi arabia, iran tolerating a long-term existence for the so-called islamic state. once it's defeated, the tens of thousands of fighters - it's hard to imagine heading home to birmingham, and taking up their lives as they were before. is this going to be a long-term problem? >> definitely the foreign fighters is a long-term problem. there was different parts history, spain,

the islamic state now occupies ramadi. our commander in chief is worried about global warming. >>> bears turning up in shocking places. we'll have that story coming up. >>> the islamic state occupying ramadi. our commander in chief meanwhile worrying about what he sees as the great national security threat global warming. joining us tonight is congressman ron desantis member of the judiciary and oversight committees also naval reserve officer that served in active duty in iraq and won a bronze star for his meritorious service. congressman, good to have you with us. >> hi lou. thanks for having me. >> let's start with the president talking to the coast guard academy about global -- about climate change. as a national security threat when the islamic state is running across syria and iraq. >> well, exactly right, lou. i happened to be in ramadi for a time when i was in iraq and it was a very very difficult place for our forces for a long time. we lost a lot of really really brave young men there, but ultimately al qaeda in i

when it can, islamic state destroys all vestiges of the non-islamic past. the speed of the i.s. advance has been extraordinary. yesterday, it was palmyra. 4 days ago, it gained the important town of ramadi in western iraq. a vast flood of terrified refugees pause along the road along ramadi. desperate to escape the vengeance of islamic state. a mere 200 i.s. fighters captured the town, chasing out 10 times that number of iraqi soldiers. the people of the town feel utterly abandoned. this woman screams at the bbc, "the government has let us down." all that is only 60 miles away, yet, baghdad feels calm and pretty relaxed tonight. almost 2/3 of the iraqi army is based in and around the capital to protect it. the anxiety has started to fade now, but there is a infinite feeling that the iraqi army let the country down. in america some people are starting to blame it all on u.s. policy. yet, western officials are confident that i.s. can it will be beaten. they believe ramadi will be captured within weeks. laura: among the fears about islamic state taking control of palmyra is what wi

that is why our mission as mourchidat is to show a tolerant islam, a moderate islam that advocates dialog and acceptance of others and how to stay far away from extremism. >> reporter: the mourchidat students are an elite group: only 10% of applicants are accepted; all must have already completed a bachelor's degree. they study 30 hours a week for a year, topics ranging from fundamental islamic texts to moroccan civil law to how to write a good research paper. >> ( translated ): these issues that are connected to women, we need to approach them through the perspective of islamic law. >> reporter: morocco takes special pride in the innovation of using women to spread religious messages when imams and even father's can't. >> ( translated ): the risk of terrorism can begin within the family. >> ( translated ): the mourchidat is above all a woman a mother, a sister. her role within the family is very sacred. she has influence in her environment. for her influence to work in the right way, she needs to be fully equipped and well positioned. that's why she learns the social sciences and also go

last night he was quoted as saying, no more islam, no more mosques, no more islamic schools. if we want to talk about pluralism, let's talk about it. it's about vitriolic rhetoric that we're allowing to fly by under the umbrella of free speech. we have to get real about the consequences of that. we want to talk about protecting speakers but what about american citizens who are targeted because of the hatred that pamela geller incites? like this morning, i was afraid to step out of my house with a headscarf because of the result of potential hate crimes because of last night. >> because of pamela geller? >> the situation last night and event was recorded. an soon as one of the security personnel came in the first exclamation that was made was he muslim? we only care about the religion of the perpetrators when they happen to be muslims. as a result people like me innocent muslims, who were born and raised in the united states they get targeted singled out, we have to be the ones living in fear and you know we're the ones that have to deal with these types of repercussions. if y

all your islamizing this, and islamizing that. i was talking down the street the other day and people were just islamizizing some random ( bleep ) pup know what i said? i said "hey man, stop it! you can't be islamizing like that." and by the way, when i say islamizing, i'm not talking about the islamic exercise craze of the late 80s. you guys remember that? you had to like work out five times a day. that was horrible. horrible! ( cheers and applause ) man. all my squats i had to be facing east. ( laughter ) i was happy when that ended. so that's who she is, okay. let me tell you when it comes to spouting cray-cray, pamela geller takes the cay-cay. >> this is really, i think, the-- the battle between freedom and slavery. >> larry: mmmm, we already had that battle. ( laughter ) it was called the civil war. all right what else you got? >> who would decide what's good and what's forbidden these arbitrary voice. controversial and controversial and controversial and controversial. shooting people. but free speech is controversial. well,

the injured city of palmyra is under control of the islamic state. sending the coast guard to search and rescue any other asylum-seekers stranded at sea. malaysia and indonesia promised temporary shelter to thousands seeking refuge. coming up in business, making it easier and cheaper for companies to fire workers. france's notoriously protective employment laws. belle will be here to tell us what not to miss in a weekend reading. inside the head of google. ♪ more bloodshed in burundi. crowds continued to take to the streets of the capital bujumbura . they want pierre nkurunziza to renounce his bid for a third term. the president said the unrest was limited. in the capital and reporting on the clashes. >> the latest started off relatively slow. i'm in a neighborhood and it is extremely tense. residents are hiding in their homes in the hour after a protester was shot in the head by police. at present, the protesters have been pushed back after the clash. gunfire continues. residents and protesters are throwing rocks from behind their homes. we are he

islam is inherently violent, inherently prone to terrorism and should be condemned wholesale. this is not someone who minces words. this is not someone who has a nuanced perspective on islam or its 1.6 billion practitioners. that's one of the reasons why the southern poverty law center and the anti-defamation league have both condemned her organization the american freedom defense initiative as a hate group. >> bigger picture, todd you wrote this whole book on islamaphobia here in america. what did you find? what did you think would most surprise us? >> well that this is a very long history in terms of the anxieties and the fears and really the hostilities towards islam and muslims in the west. this goes all the way back to the middle ages. it's alive and well today in the 21st century. so its longevity personcertainly would be a surprise to a lot of people that these aren't particularly new.

. >> and now that you are educated on islamic you were supporting an islamic government in iraq so you are saying that marines and others currently serving in afghanistan and elsewhere with supporting terrorisms? >> if their government is going to be run under sharia law, then i don't support that. >> it is not sharia law but it is an islamic government. so you believe all active duty service members are supporting terrorism around the world. >> no i don't believe that. >> but you believe islamic equals terrorism. >> i don't believe that. >> you don't believe that islam at its core is terrorism? >> oh, yes, true islam is terrorism. the ones that are out committing atrocities they are following the book as it is written. >> let me bring in phil. in terms of what they are trying to achieve, what marines are fighting and dying for, do events like this thing happening tomorrow in phoenix, do you believe it hurts the u.s. out reach to the vast majority of the muslim world? >> i see this kind of event and i look at isis and i know what they are going to say, this is proof that what we are te

the islamic state making significant gains in three countries. the radical islamic terrorists seizing more than half of syria including the last government-controlled border crossing between syria and iraq. in iraq, they've followed up their capture of ramadi by overrunning another town in anbar province. they've taken muammar gadhafi's hometown. how to slow the advance. we'll discuss that with ralph peters. a manhunt coming to an end. the man accused of brutally murdering a washington dc, family and their housekeeper before setting it on fire. we have two the best attorneys on this case. but we do begin with the state department's decision to release the first batch of clinton emails. on the friday before this long memorial day weekend. fox news correspondent james went through the roughly 300 emails and brings us this report. >> in the 296 emails the state department uploaded often redact then secretary of state hillary clinton is seen receiving updates on the benghazi attacks for weeks after they claimed the lives of chris stevens and three ot

the key iraqi city of ramadi falls to the islamic state group. the militants' biggest victory in months. burundi braces itself for protests again today after last week's failed to against the president. and the european union get set you back plans for an ambitious naval port to fight people smugglers in the mediterranean. time for business news with stephen carroll stephen: hi genie. genie: let's look at the latest twist in the french rogue trader jerome kerviel. stephen: he was jailed for causing almost 5 billion euros worth of losses when he worked as a citation around. he is making the case to have the charges thrown out. a police inspector who led the investigation said she is certain that management at sociÉtÉ generale knew what he was doing. the bank has denied. reporter: it was the biggest trading loss in banking history. 4.9 billion euros. the bank has insisted that the trader acted alone, making illicit bets for as much as 50 billion euros and covering them up and while admitting he exceeded his authorized trading limit, kerviel maint

and radical islam. given what -- say the failure of the arab spring and just about every country except few near -- tunisia, what do you recommend going forward for the united states in terms of policy and do we support the rise of democracy and who they might elect or go for temporary security and go with the devil you know? >> super complicated. there's no one answer -- there's no one fits all as answer there so were democracy to emerge in saudi arabia, hang on to your hats right and the most radical islamic country population in the world the number one funder of al qaeda, the source of 15 of the 19 september 11th september 11th hijackers and they've gotten more radicalized since them. so democracy in saudi arabia is not something i am in favor of. and so we're -- this is, i believe, one reason why the obama administration is pursue ing relationship with iran. the iranian pro american population with a thin veneer of an antiamerican government. so i would not be surprised to seesawed diarain and and

and the forces of the islamic-phobia show us how horrible islam is. both are wrong. >> we don't see people killing -- but -- let me go to father morris on this. the cardinal said we've got to address this. finally someone of stature in religion is speaking out. we must address this. >> he also mentioned, sean that we should be affirming genuine voices from islam. i'm glad we're doing it. it sounds like the imam here is moderate. i would never call myself a moderate christian. i'm just a christian. i think it does show though that moderates like muhammad here should recognize that there's a problem in islam right now. it's a major problem. and yes, they do have something to do with islam. and, therefore, there should be and this is to your credit muhammad your moderation you mentioned reason two, to make sure that there is a very public a very public coming together to say, this is wrong. and then to give reasons why this is not islam. it's easy to say this is not islam. but we have to give a reason why is this not islam. >> father let me ask you a que

he and i have had enough differences between islam and political islam. he is pushing the envelope. that allows us muslims to look within. it is not just these terrorists but saudi arabia pakistan iran had laws that enforce and endorse the same thing these radicals would do. you may be on a hit list in al qaeda but there may be some that see the same things as similar not just offensive toward islam but offensive toward the got new testament islam. this is the beginning and this pushes the envelope in order to protect the freedoms because when he speaks out also so many other muslims around the world are speaking out against regimes and full reform within our faith and that has to be tested. >> dr. jasper thank you for being with us this morning. always interesting. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> the time is 18 minutes after the top of the hour. breaking right now we are learning more about what happened outside of the free speech event in texas. was it an attack tied to terror? a stormer terrorism advisor to congress weighs in. let's take a look at your credit. >>i know i have a 7

obama's goal he said was to degrade and destroy the islamic state. his rhetoric notwithstanding congressional republicans were reluctance to exceed to his request to approve military force against the islamic state because they declared he has no strategy. whatever his true intent. president obama never set out to destroy them. whatever president obama's legacy, it will be neither sincerity or conviction. our quotation of the evening, a no uttered from the deepest convict is better than a yes merely uttered to avoided trouble. we're coming right back. >> coming up, the islamic state takes ramadi and more iraqi territory. and president obama's strategy is attacked from all sides. michael goodwin and judy miller the a-team next. >> outlaws in new york city, could go free, if the police commissioner has his way attorneys lis wiehl and aaron ehrl lou: joining us now, judy miller and michael goodwin. judy we start with you, hillary clinton, amazing performance answers 6 questions. is this woman really think she can get away with it. >> is she getting away

obama's goal he said was to degrade and destroy the islamic state. his rhetoric notwithstanding congressional republicans were reluctance to exceed to his request to approve military force against the islamic state because they declared he has no strategy. whatever his true intent. president obama never set out to destroy them. whatever president obama's legacy, it will be neither sincerity or conviction. our quotation of the evening, a no uttered from the deepest convict is better than a yes merely uttered to avoided trouble. we're coming right back. >> coming up, the islamic state takes ramadi and more iraqi territory. and president obama's strategy is attacked from all sides. michael goodwin and judy miller the a-team next. >> outlaws in new york city, could go free, if the police commissioner has his way attorneys lis wiehl and aaron ehrlich on the bratton amnesty. excellent looking below the surface, researching a hunch... and making a decision you are type e*. time for a change of menu. research and invest from any website. with e*trade's brows

islam does not allow free speech. because free speech shows how evil and wrong islam is. and islam does not allow humor, because humor shows how foolish and ridiculous it is. now, of course, that's not about extremism. he's talking about a religion of which there are 3 million muslims even here in the united states. >> first of all, he's entitled to his opinion. end of story. so what? so he said that. and frankly, what he said was true. there is no humor. khomeini when he took over in 1979 said there is no humor. the fact is that we need to have this discussion. alisyn, there's a problem in islam. and the problem is, we can't talk about the problem. we are seeing the wholesale slaughter of christians, in iraq, and in syria. in nigeria, in the congo, central african republic, the jihad is raging. and all we can talk about is backlash of phobia. it's nonsense. we have to be able to discuss and when you say i'm anti-muslim. excuse me, i'm anti-jihad. >> okay. so let's talk about this. harris safar joins me now the national spokesman for the amadea muslim community. welcome.