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with darren wilson, that's what he was. particularly in wilson's case we look at what he did and how he did it and why? i think the why the important. i don't think he had great hatred in his heart but if he is dealing with the subtle tees that we keep talking about that inform the way the police look at their interactions then it's going to keep showing up in those ways. >> haven't we done the same thing with michael brown? we've conflated him, too. >> thank you, guys. i appreciate it. up next, what does michael brown's family think of this? i'm going to talk to their attorney. ♪"once there was a hushpuppy" by dan romis man kind?eitlin ♪ are we good? go see. go look through their windows so you can understand their views. go find out just how kind the hes and shes of this mankind are. wi noticed benny right away. , i just had to adopt him. he's older so he needs my help all day. when my back pain flared up we both felt it i took tylenol at first but i had to take 6 pills to get through the day. then my friend said "try
with darren wilson, that's what he was. particularly in wilson's case we look at what he did and how he did it and why? i think the why the important. i don't think he had great hatred in his heart but if he is dealing with the subtle tees that we keep talking about that inform the way the police look at their interactions then it's going to keep showing up in those ways. >> haven't we done the same thing with michael brown? we've conflated him, too. >> thank you, guys. i appreciate...
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police officer darren wilson was not charged in the death of michael brown. that did not stop the ferguson police department from the reach of the d.o.j. they said in a report, that the ferguson police department, almost all whites, targeted blacks with arrest and excessive force. we are joined by the chairman of the district columbian police union. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having mean. >> the d.o.j. report was it a wake-up call for police departments across the country, particularly those that deal with issues like ferguson does. >> i think there are background issues about ferguson that are different. the political climate for ferguson, where you have a population that is 67% that did not vote to make sure the city council and the mayor's office and the police department reflected that. i was listening as the city council woman said they were 50/50. they are exercising the power, and the fact that darren wilson was not charged at the state level. he was investigated at the federal level and cleared. some of the bitterness towards darren wi
police officer darren wilson was not charged in the death of michael brown. that did not stop the ferguson police department from the reach of the d.o.j. they said in a report, that the ferguson police department, almost all whites, targeted blacks with arrest and excessive force. we are joined by the chairman of the district columbian police union. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having mean. >> the d.o.j. report was it a wake-up call for police departments across the...
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it just perpetuates the view of darren wilson as self serving in everything he has done. >> darren wilson is no racist. i know him well. i think the article misrepresents. >> darren wilson would like to rejoin the police force one day to prove he has not been quote defeated. >>> new information on the death of samuel dubose. the 43-year-old ohio man and killed during a traffic stop by a university of cincinnati police officer. during the stop ray tensing asked about the bottle labeled gin. tensing's initial report said dubose produced an alcohol bottle. lab results are in. it was just air freshener in the bottle. >>> james holmes is one step closer to the death penalty. the mental illness should rule out capital punishment. holmes killed 20 people and injured 70 people in 2010. in the next phase, family members of the victims get to speak to the jurors. >>> amy schumer is taking a stand against gun violence following the deadly shooting in louisiana. joining with her second cousin once removed, charles schumer, they are calling for a stronger background check for gun buyers. amy schumer w
it just perpetuates the view of darren wilson as self serving in everything he has done. >> darren wilson is no racist. i know him well. i think the article misrepresents. >> darren wilson would like to rejoin the police force one day to prove he has not been quote defeated. >>> new information on the death of samuel dubose. the 43-year-old ohio man and killed during a traffic stop by a university of cincinnati police officer. during the stop ray tensing asked about the...
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harnlt darren wilson. darren wilson is a man who has been ruined by false allegations of hands up don't shoot which were a lie. which were a lie. so how do we get to the point where people are on the streets of ferguson all amped up about darren wilson to the point they're shooting at police officers, and then when they shoot in response, it is there you go again. >> i'm with you 100%. we mentioned the filibuster report that showed there was a pattern of discrimination that happened in the police department. like you said, they've done quite a bit to try to clean that up including firing people at the top of that department. but i want to address this being a liberal or conservative issue. this isn't a liberal or conservative issue. >> sure it is. >> the fact is the president has a unique opportunity. not just as the leader of the country but the leader of the black community. to use his platform to project an image of peace and to compel. >> go ahead, kevin. >> it is a total failure. that's such a copout.
harnlt darren wilson. darren wilson is a man who has been ruined by false allegations of hands up don't shoot which were a lie. which were a lie. so how do we get to the point where people are on the streets of ferguson all amped up about darren wilson to the point they're shooting at police officers, and then when they shoot in response, it is there you go again. >> i'm with you 100%. we mentioned the filibuster report that showed there was a pattern of discrimination that happened in...
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if he really wanted to indict darren wilson, he could get him indicted. it's just a probable cause hearing, it's not a trial. >> jerryl christmas has dealt with numerous grand juries in the st louis area. he says the threshold is so low that an overwhelming majority of grand jury cases end with an indictment. >> and the key factor is this: ask all around this country how often do prosecutors bring the defendant in to testify? i don't care what the defendant got to say...we the prosecutor's office! we know that we have a case, that's the reason why we are going for an indictment so we can move forward to trial. we don't need the defense version at this point >> darren wilson testified for four hours in september - the final straw christmas said for anyone with concerns over the impartiality of the prosecutor. >> i'm saying that you are too close to the police to think that you are going to aggressively prosecute them. and especially in a situation like this where its such a close call i would be more comfortable with just an independent party who doesn't h
if he really wanted to indict darren wilson, he could get him indicted. it's just a probable cause hearing, it's not a trial. >> jerryl christmas has dealt with numerous grand juries in the st louis area. he says the threshold is so low that an overwhelming majority of grand jury cases end with an indictment. >> and the key factor is this: ask all around this country how often do prosecutors bring the defendant in to testify? i don't care what the defendant got to say...we the...
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darren wilson the police officer, is a great example of that. he was not indicted even after there was an investigation. he was not in the wrong even though people were saying hands up don't shoot. we need to be careful before we jump on narratives that in fact were not reality that actually make things very bad for a lot of people in that community and a lot of people were up there saying hands up don't shoot, saying he was a murderer didn't live in that community, didn't have to deal with the backlash and destruction of that community. that's also part of what we learn. sometimes we have to be careful before we jump to convict police officers that sometimes are just doing their job. >> does ben have a point? >> no. first of all, i don't think that anyone was jumpin to convict darren wilson. they were jumping to get him investigated get him charged and get him into a trial which is something we rarely see. not as if there's this whole string of police officers who are convicted or misconvicted for killing people. police officers rarely get even
darren wilson the police officer, is a great example of that. he was not indicted even after there was an investigation. he was not in the wrong even though people were saying hands up don't shoot. we need to be careful before we jump on narratives that in fact were not reality that actually make things very bad for a lot of people in that community and a lot of people were up there saying hands up don't shoot, saying he was a murderer didn't live in that community, didn't have to deal with the...
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one of the things about darren wilson, he asks for help. i don't know what i'm doing, this is culture shock. would you help me? you have that connection, and you may be white, but they still respect you. why can't they respect you and not me? it sounds like there's a complete lack of training in terms of police-community relations. >> that's a big disconnect. and we've been saying this from the beginning, at least i have, a lot of these officers in predominantly african-american areas, are not qualified to serve in these areas without the proper training. they go in intimidated, and unprepared. it's a culture shock to them. and individuals such as that, not the kind of people that you will find being able to police here. problems like on august 9th, 2014, as a result of that kind of individual policing these areas. so, it's very problematic. >> and the lack of empathy about what happened. he's asked, do i think about mike brown as a person? it doesn't matter to me at that point. he arguably knew him for about 45 seconds before he shot him.
one of the things about darren wilson, he asks for help. i don't know what i'm doing, this is culture shock. would you help me? you have that connection, and you may be white, but they still respect you. why can't they respect you and not me? it sounds like there's a complete lack of training in terms of police-community relations. >> that's a big disconnect. and we've been saying this from the beginning, at least i have, a lot of these officers in predominantly african-american areas,...
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if he really wanted to indict darren wilson, he could get him indicted. it's just a probable cause hearing, it's not a trial. >> jerryl christmas has dealt with numerous grand juries in the st louis area. he says the threshold is so low that an overwhelming majority of grand jury cases end with an indictment. >> and the key factor is this: ask all around this country how often do prosecutors bring the defendant in to testify? i don't care what the defendant got to say...we the prosecutor's office! we know that we have a case, that's the reason why we are going for an indictment so we can move forward to trial. we don't need the defense version at this point >> darren wilson testified for four hours in september - the final straw, christmas said, for anyone with concerns over the impartiality of the prosecutor. >> i'm saying that you are too close to the police to think that you are going to aggressively prosecute them. and especially in a situation like this where its such a close call, i would be more comfortable with just an independent party who doesn'
if he really wanted to indict darren wilson, he could get him indicted. it's just a probable cause hearing, it's not a trial. >> jerryl christmas has dealt with numerous grand juries in the st louis area. he says the threshold is so low that an overwhelming majority of grand jury cases end with an indictment. >> and the key factor is this: ask all around this country how often do prosecutors bring the defendant in to testify? i don't care what the defendant got to say...we the...
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we reached out to darren wilson for comment. but we have not heard back yet. >>> president obama is stepping up his efforts in congress to support the iran nuclear deal. libby casey joins us from washington, and libby, the first, and there are a couple of items here. the pretty has to overcome skepticism from many lawmakers, and then the huge lobbying effort against this plan. correct? >> that's right, tony, and the president only has about six weeks to win over members of congress. this is part of a campaign the white house is waging, the pushback against some of the ads against this, and also to convince the american people that the iran deal isn't only smart, but it's necessary. president obama flamed the current debate over the iran nuclear agreement since the most significant policy decision since the iraq war and found many parallels. >> many of the same people who wanted the war in iraq are making the case against the iran nuclear deal. it's a mindset characterized over a preference for military action over diplomacy. a m
we reached out to darren wilson for comment. but we have not heard back yet. >>> president obama is stepping up his efforts in congress to support the iran nuclear deal. libby casey joins us from washington, and libby, the first, and there are a couple of items here. the pretty has to overcome skepticism from many lawmakers, and then the huge lobbying effort against this plan. correct? >> that's right, tony, and the president only has about six weeks to win over members of...
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one of the things about darren wilson he asks for help. i don't know what i'm doing, this is culture shock. would you help me? you have that connection and you may be white, but they still respect you. why can't they respect you and not me? it sounds like there's a complete lack of training in terms of police-community relations. >> that's a big disconnect. and we've been saying this from the beginning, at least i have, a lot of these officers in predominantly african-american areas, are not qualified to serve in these areas without the proper training. they go in intimidated, and unprepared. it's a culture shock to them. and individuals such as that not the kind of people that you will find being able to police here. problems like on august 9th 2014, as a result of that kind of individual policing these areas. so, it's very problematic. >> and the lack of empathy about what happened. he's asked, do i think about mike brown as a person? it doesn't matter to me at that point. he arguably knew him for about 45 seconds before he shot him. and
one of the things about darren wilson he asks for help. i don't know what i'm doing, this is culture shock. would you help me? you have that connection and you may be white, but they still respect you. why can't they respect you and not me? it sounds like there's a complete lack of training in terms of police-community relations. >> that's a big disconnect. and we've been saying this from the beginning, at least i have, a lot of these officers in predominantly african-american areas, are...
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what i saw was a -- was like um -- what darren wilson did in his interview. i saw them building up a wall -- not a wall but a story for him to go by. i saw a distraction. >> you saw character assassination? >> exactly. exactly. and they had to do that to build this guy up for the lives he was going to take. >> do you feel it was a coverup? >> of course. of course. >> who was involved? >> anyone that had the power to do away was right and what was expected and what should have been done here did not do that. they show inexens incompetency to me. >> officer wilson has twice been cleared of criminal wrongdoing. he's had a suit filed against him and the city. al jazeera reached out to darren wilson for comment but he did not respond. >>> there have been several recent cases where grand grand juries decided to not charge police officers. authorities are calling for change to the system to make the system more transparent. randall pinkston explains. >> protest erupted in ferguson missouri last december after a grand jury decided not to indict officer darren wilson
what i saw was a -- was like um -- what darren wilson did in his interview. i saw them building up a wall -- not a wall but a story for him to go by. i saw a distraction. >> you saw character assassination? >> exactly. exactly. and they had to do that to build this guy up for the lives he was going to take. >> do you feel it was a coverup? >> of course. of course. >> who was involved? >> anyone that had the power to do away was right and what was expected and...
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. >> darren wilson speaking out after shooting and killing michael brown. a new photo of the former ferguson police officer accompanying an over 20 page indepth interview by the new yorker magazine. the reporter who spent several days with him in marced the now 29-year-old lives in an undisclosed new home. very few know where. >> far from wilson's wish nine months ago. wilson says he'll only go to places where there are like minded individuals and it's not a mixing pot. about the death that sparked national outrajge wilson says he doesn't think of michael brown as a burn. because it doesn't matter at this point. wilson said i only knew him for those 45 seconds in which he was trying to kill me. soy don't know if he's a good guy. brown's family says they're not surprised. >> there's so many inconsistencies and hypocrisy throughout the article itself, it perpetuates the view of wilson being self-serving. >> he's not read the justice department's report on the systemic racism in ferguson. he says he's not going to keep living in the past. wilson says if you li
. >> darren wilson speaking out after shooting and killing michael brown. a new photo of the former ferguson police officer accompanying an over 20 page indepth interview by the new yorker magazine. the reporter who spent several days with him in marced the now 29-year-old lives in an undisclosed new home. very few know where. >> far from wilson's wish nine months ago. wilson says he'll only go to places where there are like minded individuals and it's not a mixing pot. about the...
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darren wilson was vindicated of any crime. so that aside, if you look at some of the statements that he made in there in regards to the fact this is not about race but yet and still much of his remarks lend to the fact of it being about race. he also speaks to the fact that i want to move on with the rest of my life but yet and still he's trying to insert himself back in law enforcement, which is going to be quite a challenge considering these circumstances and where we are in this country in terms of moving policing ahead and the event that occurred. so i just think that when you read that article what i glean from it quite frankly is an individual who may want to consider just moving on with the rest of his life looking into a profession that may be more suited for him. because even though he was vindicated of this event it still lends some reason because being in that city that was identified by the justice department as being a racist institution in and of itself just is going to create too much drag for him trying to get
darren wilson was vindicated of any crime. so that aside, if you look at some of the statements that he made in there in regards to the fact this is not about race but yet and still much of his remarks lend to the fact of it being about race. he also speaks to the fact that i want to move on with the rest of my life but yet and still he's trying to insert himself back in law enforcement, which is going to be quite a challenge considering these circumstances and where we are in this country in...
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9th. >> darren wilson is no racist. i know him well. i think the article misrepresents who he is. >> darren wilson said he would like to rejoin the ferguson police force to prove he has not been defeated. >>> the latest on the death of samuel dubose. the 43-year-old ohio man who was shot apparent killed during a traffic stop by a university of cincinnati police officer. during that stop officer ray tensing asked dubose about a bottle on his front seat labeled gin. dubose can be heard telling the officer it was only air freshener. tensing's initial police report said dubose produced an alcohol bottle. lab reports are just in. it was just air freshener in the battle. >>> james holmes one step closer to the death penalty. holmes killed 12 people and wounded 70 when he opened fire in an aurora movie theater in 2012. in the next phase, family members of the victims will speak directly to the jurors. >>> amy schumer taking a stand against gun violence after the shooting in louisiana. joining forces with her second cousin once
9th. >> darren wilson is no racist. i know him well. i think the article misrepresents who he is. >> darren wilson said he would like to rejoin the ferguson police force to prove he has not been defeated. >>> the latest on the death of samuel dubose. the 43-year-old ohio man who was shot apparent killed during a traffic stop by a university of cincinnati police officer. during that stop officer ray tensing asked dubose about a bottle on his front seat labeled gin. dubose...
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at the end of the piece, darren wilson is talking how he eats out at certain places. we try to go, how do i say this correctly, with like-minded individuals where it's not a mixing pot. people are self-segregation. >> they are hiding things in plain view. they make comments that support the very believes that host people have in the community and that the justice department have criticized. for instance i'm just going to take this one point i find very interesting. this whole thing about he didn't have his hands up. they completely ignore the fact that darren wilson was the one who was the first person to report that mike brown had his hands up and it's amazing they allow this narrative to live on and on and on. i just don't know what to say. >> competing narratives in the "new yorker." anthony gray thank you for your time. >> thank you alex have a great day. >>> renewed call for gun safety in the wake of the deadly theater shooting last month. stay with us. he'll tell us everything he knows very shortly, sir. as you were... where were we? 13 serving 14! service! if y
at the end of the piece, darren wilson is talking how he eats out at certain places. we try to go, how do i say this correctly, with like-minded individuals where it's not a mixing pot. people are self-segregation. >> they are hiding things in plain view. they make comments that support the very believes that host people have in the community and that the justice department have criticized. for instance i'm just going to take this one point i find very interesting. this whole thing about...
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. >> darren wilson is no racist, i know him well. the article misrepresents who he is. >> reporter: that that was boris wilson reporting. wilson is not able to get a new police job and haunted by death threats. >>> in southwestern colorado, the epa says that they are draining at about a rate of 550 gallons per minute about one million gallons of waste water from california, of colorado's gold king mine began spilling in to the animos river back on wednesday. it started when a clean up crew broke a debris dam that had formed inside the mine. the waste water has reached as far as new mexico while experts continue to analyze the impacts and the officials say two containment ponds have been built to treat that yellow sludge. >>> world news this morning, israel is intensifying efforts to crack down on jewish extremists. they provided two jewish radicals for six months. they requests came after killing an 18-month-old. you're taking a look at the funeral gathering on saturday, blaming israel's leadership for the attack. >>> still ahead on
. >> darren wilson is no racist, i know him well. the article misrepresents who he is. >> reporter: that that was boris wilson reporting. wilson is not able to get a new police job and haunted by death threats. >>> in southwestern colorado, the epa says that they are draining at about a rate of 550 gallons per minute about one million gallons of waste water from california, of colorado's gold king mine began spilling in to the animos river back on wednesday. it started when...
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. >> when i mention the name darren wilson, what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. >> reporter: our tony harris sits down with michael brown's mother in a candid conversation. >>> plus another attack at a movie theater, police say the suspect had significant psychological issues. >>> police in ashville are looking into what drove a man carrying a hatchet to attack people inside a movie theater. they said the suspect had a history of psychological issues and a criminal past. >> reporter: he had at least one arrest as well as multiple commitments to mental health facilities in his past now two weeks after the theater shootings in louisiana, he had movie goers in tennessee ducking for cover. that's the sound of the latest theater shooting suspect being shot dead by police in tennessee. >> it was a lot -- a lot of shots. it was coming from inside the theater. >> reporter: police began receiving emergency calls just after 1:00 pm in the nashville suburb. witnesses say this 29 year old balked into a screening of "mad max fury road." >> he was armed wit
. >> when i mention the name darren wilson, what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. >> reporter: our tony harris sits down with michael brown's mother in a candid conversation. >>> plus another attack at a movie theater, police say the suspect had significant psychological issues. >>> police in ashville are looking into what drove a man carrying a hatchet to attack people inside a movie theater. they said the suspect had a history of...
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i'm the also sensitive to darren wilson. but this cannot be about wilson and whether he was defeated or not. it has to be about justice of the land. otherwise we're all in a bad position. >> thanks so both of you. i appreciate it. >>> and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. effective immediately delta and american airlines are banning the shipment of big game trophies as freight. sparked by the slaughter of an african lion named cecil at the hands of an american dentist. >> we're talking about trophies. trophies are the heads and pelts of these animals. hunters talk about the big five game. and these big five game have been banned by two airlines. these are lions,. delta and american airlines will no longer allow them to be shipped back on their planes. lion trophies are the most prized here. lion trophies some 600 african lions each year are legally killed. the majority of those are shipped back to the united states. >> doesn't matter if they were legally killed or not. >> they don't want to
i'm the also sensitive to darren wilson. but this cannot be about wilson and whether he was defeated or not. it has to be about justice of the land. otherwise we're all in a bad position. >> thanks so both of you. i appreciate it. >>> and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. effective immediately delta and american airlines are banning the shipment of big game trophies as freight. sparked by the slaughter of an african lion named cecil at the hands...
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but -- and i'm not defending darren wilson here. but he goes on to say i met him for just a few minutes and he was trying to kill me. probably not the best thing to say considering the position that he's in and for the family. but oftentimes, when you read something in print, if you do a magazine article, it is hard to get a context of what it is and everything in one statement. i think a television interview would have been better. you could see his facial expressions. you could also get more in the interview. but in print it sounds really harsh. >> and sonny, wilson said as a police officer his job was not to serve as a psychologist. to delve into people's live long history and figure out why they're feeling a certain way in a certain moment. he is talking about just this idea of how at odds many in ferguson felt under, when it came to the police, when it came to historical references to police. but do you think that darren wilson really understands the controversy that he is still very much in the center of? >> i think he underst
but -- and i'm not defending darren wilson here. but he goes on to say i met him for just a few minutes and he was trying to kill me. probably not the best thing to say considering the position that he's in and for the family. but oftentimes, when you read something in print, if you do a magazine article, it is hard to get a context of what it is and everything in one statement. i think a television interview would have been better. you could see his facial expressions. you could also get more...
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. >> when i mention the name darren wilson, what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. >> tony harris sits down with michael brown's mother in a candid and powerful conversation one year after her son was killed. stay with us. >> it's been one year since 18-year-old michael brown was shot to death by a white police officers in ferguson. tony harris sat down with michael brown's mother as she reflects on the live of her son ant continuing fight to justice. >> i have to be at work at 7:30 or 8:00, so i went to work. >> august 9 began as any other workday. but lunch time, her life would change forever. around noon, she received the first of two phone calls. the first was from a coworker who lived on canfield drive. >> when he called me, he couldn't tell me that that was my son. he was just saying that something happened to somebody and they're laying in the street. when he referred to the somebody, he said this boy. he didn't say a man. he said this man. i instantly felt like this feeling in my chest, and my line clicked, and it was my son. when i click
. >> when i mention the name darren wilson, what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. >> tony harris sits down with michael brown's mother in a candid and powerful conversation one year after her son was killed. stay with us. >> it's been one year since 18-year-old michael brown was shot to death by a white police officers in ferguson. tony harris sat down with michael brown's mother as she reflects on the live of her son ant continuing fight to justice....
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>>> darren wilson is breaking his silence. the former missouri police officer who shot and killed michael brown says he's not haunted by his actions and was just doing his job. brown's family say that proves he's racist. boris sanchez has more with the article. >> repeatedly in the piece, darren wilson is trying to move away from what happened in ferguson. he literally has moved away to a new home. he has new daughter born in march. his name isn't on the deed to the property where he lives. even though he's trying to stay out of the spotlight, the comments coming close to the eve of michael brown's death are stirring controversy. darren wilson speaking out almost a year after shooting and killing unarmed 18-year-old michael brown. a new photo of the former ferguson police officer accompanying an over 20-page in-depth interview in a magazine. the reporter says the now 29-year-old lives in an undisclosed new home. >> i want a normal life. >> reporter: far from his wish in an interview, wilson says he will only go to places where
>>> darren wilson is breaking his silence. the former missouri police officer who shot and killed michael brown says he's not haunted by his actions and was just doing his job. brown's family say that proves he's racist. boris sanchez has more with the article. >> repeatedly in the piece, darren wilson is trying to move away from what happened in ferguson. he literally has moved away to a new home. he has new daughter born in march. his name isn't on the deed to the property...
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dagen: brown who was black and the alarm was fatally shot by a white police officer darren wilson one year ago. a grand jury and justice department declined to prosecute. in business news warren buffett about to make the biggest deal of his career. >> we are watching this today, warned of the hapsburg hathaway is close to buying precision parts which makes mostly airplane parts, close to $30 billion according to the wall street journal and that would be the biggest deal in berkshire's history and in warren buffett's career. he is almost 85. be edition would extent warren buffett's pushed to the industrial sector and eat up half of his cash pile which stands at close to $67 billion and highlights the company's focus on acquisitions rather than stock investing as the way to drive a profit. berkshire reported second quarter earnings fell by 37% reflecting a significant decline in investment gains and underwriting loss from insurance. shares closing friday $215,460 each, up loss of $187, they are a 5% this year and precision casper closing up slightly higher friday but that should be a st
dagen: brown who was black and the alarm was fatally shot by a white police officer darren wilson one year ago. a grand jury and justice department declined to prosecute. in business news warren buffett about to make the biggest deal of his career. >> we are watching this today, warned of the hapsburg hathaway is close to buying precision parts which makes mostly airplane parts, close to $30 billion according to the wall street journal and that would be the biggest deal in berkshire's...
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the city where an explosion of anger against police tactics erupted a year ago when officer darren wilson killed unarmed teenager michael brown after the two scuffled at the police vehicle. when you were looking from afar at what was happening here in ferguson one year ago, what was your take on all that was going on here in ferguson? >> it bothered me. it really did. what disturbed you? >> to see the divide that was evident in this community. that's what bothered me. it didn't feel like we should be this way in america. i understand there are differences. i wanted to be part of making a change. >> may result in an arrest. >> that change coming in big part after the streets of fu ferguson looked more like a war zone than small city america. protesters took to the streets for more than 100 days straight with sometimes violent outbursts. their persistent influencing the department of justice to investigate. it cleared officer darren wilson but issued a damming report on the department at a whole saying it helped create the racial tensions by unfairly targeted, searching and ticketing black
the city where an explosion of anger against police tactics erupted a year ago when officer darren wilson killed unarmed teenager michael brown after the two scuffled at the police vehicle. when you were looking from afar at what was happening here in ferguson one year ago, what was your take on all that was going on here in ferguson? >> it bothered me. it really did. what disturbed you? >> to see the divide that was evident in this community. that's what bothered me. it didn't feel...
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. >> so what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson? what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. evil. you know he is somebody's son. so getting a peek into his life with his mother is something i would like to know. he hurt my child. he hurt him bad. >> he may be someone's son but he doesn't think much of your son. >> huh-uh. >> even to this day. >> even to this day. so how was he raised? >> there was a new interview that i don't even think you're aware of with darren wilson, in the new yorker magazine. here is what he said. do i think about who he was as a person? not really. because it doesn't matter at this point. do i think he had the best upbringing? no. not at all. take that in for a second. >> uh-huh. >> what do you think? >> just what i said. that he's evil. his acts were devilish. and we definitely know he didn't have the right upbringing. because those are words that you just don't use. especially after you took somebody's life and you know you had no reason to. you had no reason to do that. what he did last year hurt me really bad. so his words mea
. >> so what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson? what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. evil. you know he is somebody's son. so getting a peek into his life with his mother is something i would like to know. he hurt my child. he hurt him bad. >> he may be someone's son but he doesn't think much of your son. >> huh-uh. >> even to this day. >> even to this day. so how was he raised? >> there was a new interview that i don't...
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. >> what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson? what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. evil. you know, it's -- he is somebody's son, so getting a peak into his life with his mother is something i would like to know. he hurt my child. he -- he hurt him bad. >> he may be someone's son, but he doesn't think much of your son, even to this day. >> even to the day. so how was he raised? >> there was a new interview. >> uh-huh. >> that i don't even think you are aware of, with darren wilson in the new yorker magazine. >> uh-huh. >> here is what he said. do i think about who he was as a person? not really. because it doesn't matter at this point. do i think he had the best upbringing? no. >> hum. >> not at all. take that in for a second. >> uh-huh. >> what do you think? >> just what i said, that he's evil. his acts were devilish. and we definitely know he didn't have the right upbringing. cause those are words that you just don't use, especially after you took somebody's life and you know you had no reason to -- you had no reason to do that. what he did last
. >> what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson? what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. evil. you know, it's -- he is somebody's son, so getting a peak into his life with his mother is something i would like to know. he hurt my child. he -- he hurt him bad. >> he may be someone's son, but he doesn't think much of your son, even to this day. >> even to the day. so how was he raised? >> there was a new interview. >> uh-huh. >>...
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the officer involved, darren wilson, claimed brown charged towards him. wilson was nevered charged in that case. >>> protests in our area, too, in brooklyn. demonstrators staged a die-in to mark the anniversary of brown's death. ida joins us union square. >> reporter: rob, the rally here at union square wrapped up in last few minutes. union square a number of michael brown protests staged over the last year. on this anniversary, they have returned here to say they have not forgotten. >> there is a fight going on. >> reporter: back in union square this evening, protesters are commemorating one year sense the death of michael brown in ferguson, missouri. and the larger issue of police and race and use of force. one year ago, ivy lewis in her native st. louis, attending rallies in ferguson. >> changed and it showed how much we are united what the media did was show a lot of the violence that happened but we were united most of the time. >> reporter: in brooklyn, protesters lay on the ground for 4:30 to mark the 4 1/2 hours michael brown was left lying in the
the officer involved, darren wilson, claimed brown charged towards him. wilson was nevered charged in that case. >>> protests in our area, too, in brooklyn. demonstrators staged a die-in to mark the anniversary of brown's death. ida joins us union square. >> reporter: rob, the rally here at union square wrapped up in last few minutes. union square a number of michael brown protests staged over the last year. on this anniversary, they have returned here to say they have not...
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of darren wilson. in the new yorker magazine. >> here is what he said. >> do i think about who he was as a person? not really. because it doesn't matter. do i think he had the best upbringing, no. not at all. >> take that in for a second. what do you think. >> just what i said, that he is evil. hiss acts were devilish. and we definitely know he didn't have the right upbringing. because those are words you just don't use especially after you took somebody's life, and you know you had no reason to. he had no reason to do that. and he did last year. so those words mean nothing to me. >> have you forgiven him? >> never. >> never. >> in new mexico two al burke police officers will no longer face involuntary manslaughter charges for shooting and killing a homeless man last year a judge threw out those charges against the now retires officers. including voluntary manslaughter and aggravated battery. >> threatened police with fives, prosecutors say the officers escalated the incident unnecessarily. >> . >> the
of darren wilson. in the new yorker magazine. >> here is what he said. >> do i think about who he was as a person? not really. because it doesn't matter. do i think he had the best upbringing, no. not at all. >> take that in for a second. what do you think. >> just what i said, that he is evil. hiss acts were devilish. and we definitely know he didn't have the right upbringing. because those are words you just don't use especially after you took somebody's life, and you...
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was shot and killed by former police officer, darren wilson, and the parade went on for 5 miles and ended at brown's high school, but later in the evening, hundreds of protesters police department, and there were no clashes, but some of the protesters taunted the police officers on duty. >> my son opened up doors and eyes for know, but the hurt and loss of me, i still lost. >> reporter: brown's death sparked civil unrest with riots, fires, and clashing with police officers, and it also sparked the hands up don't shoot and black lives movement matter against the police brutality. again the rally at the barclays center will begin at noon today, and mike brown sr. is calling for no drama or stupidity. darla miles, channel 7 eyewitness news. >> thank you, darla, and course, as you know, brown's death hit the city of ferguson hard where months of protest left businesses damaged. business owners said they now see the city is gradually getting back to normal. owners of one salon said it took them until january to see a steady flow of customers again, and a restaurant across from the police stati
was shot and killed by former police officer, darren wilson, and the parade went on for 5 miles and ended at brown's high school, but later in the evening, hundreds of protesters police department, and there were no clashes, but some of the protesters taunted the police officers on duty. >> my son opened up doors and eyes for know, but the hurt and loss of me, i still lost. >> reporter: brown's death sparked civil unrest with riots, fires, and clashing with police officers, and it...
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wilson day, a year after mike brown had been killed, they declared that day darren wilson day, and people are protesting against that sort of provocation, we have seen. we had a local official here who wea wears an i am darren wilson wristband openly. so you do see provocation. >> it seems like you are in a position to maybe make a little news here. the young man shot by police last night. we have word that he is critically wounded. was he armed? and the line here is that he fired at officers. >> yeah, i don't know if he was armed. unfortunately i was there in the vicinity last night. i myself was out when people was tear gassed and i was near the screen, i heard gunshots, but i do not know who they come from or in what direction. >> more than 100 bills related to criminal justice and policing were offered up by mainly a handful of democrats there in the legislator. and just one made it out of the legislature. does that go to your structure change being necessary? >> right. we have this chance to seize the moment to create change. and so far we haven't seen lawmakers step up to the plate
wilson day, a year after mike brown had been killed, they declared that day darren wilson day, and people are protesting against that sort of provocation, we have seen. we had a local official here who wea wears an i am darren wilson wristband openly. so you do see provocation. >> it seems like you are in a position to maybe make a little news here. the young man shot by police last night. we have word that he is critically wounded. was he armed? and the line here is that he fired at...
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the former officer, darren wilson, is now speaking out. he gave an interview to new yorker magazine, and he gave his version of what happened. and the death threats he received and the massive protest after the shooting. and his struggle to find a new job in law enforcement. here's the piece. he said that he had interviewed for a few police positions but have been told that he would be a liability and it's too hot an issue, so it makes me unemployable. tony sat down with michael's mother. >> there was a new interview that i don't think that you're even aware of with darren wilson in the new yorker magazine. >> uh-huh. >> darren wilson was asked, if you thought about your son in a new interview, and here's what he said. do i think about who he was as a person? not really. because it doesn't matter. matter at this point. do i think he had the best upbringing? no. not at all. take that in for a second. >> uh-huh. what do you think? >> he's evil. his acts were devilish. and we definitely know he didn't have the right upbringing. because those
the former officer, darren wilson, is now speaking out. he gave an interview to new yorker magazine, and he gave his version of what happened. and the death threats he received and the massive protest after the shooting. and his struggle to find a new job in law enforcement. here's the piece. he said that he had interviewed for a few police positions but have been told that he would be a liability and it's too hot an issue, so it makes me unemployable. tony sat down with michael's mother....
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. >> let's talk about darren wilson, the officer who shot michael brown. he was never charged with any crime, but it had an impact on the city's police department. what's different in ferguson? >> well, yes, you mentioned the new police chief, that's a new interim police chief. the city is also looking into developing a community policing program that would put beat officers into neighborhoods, working with residents. those are a couple of the things they are looking at. a problem that still exists is the disparity between the number of blocks on the ferguson police department and the demographics of the community. they have 50 members and only 5 are african-american. they have hired two in the last year. last year there were three, and only hired two in the last year. that's something that needs to be addressed. >> all right. >>> we continue the conversation with donte barry. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> you have people with the million hoodies movement participating in the marchs and protests and memorials. what's the message you want to get a
. >> let's talk about darren wilson, the officer who shot michael brown. he was never charged with any crime, but it had an impact on the city's police department. what's different in ferguson? >> well, yes, you mentioned the new police chief, that's a new interim police chief. the city is also looking into developing a community policing program that would put beat officers into neighborhoods, working with residents. those are a couple of the things they are looking at. a problem...
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darren wilson who shot and killed michael brown, the death sparking national protests. tonight, one year later, wilson saying he cannot get hired. here is abc's steve osunsami. >> reporter: in an interview that will certainly rile up his critics, former ferguson police officer darren wilson tells the "new yorker" that he can't find work. he says his shooting and killing of michael brown jr. nearly a year ago is "it's too hot an issue, so it makes me unemployable." saying that no police force will hire him, and when he started working at a boot store stocking shelves, he had to quit after reporters started calling. after being cleared twice in the racially explosive shooting, he says there were even "threats about doing something to my unborn child," and his family can only eat out a safe places. "we try to go somewhere." he says, "with like minded individuals." he acknowledges the lack of job opportunities in the predominantly black neighborhoods he once policed. but says there is a lack of initiative to work. saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it
darren wilson who shot and killed michael brown, the death sparking national protests. tonight, one year later, wilson saying he cannot get hired. here is abc's steve osunsami. >> reporter: in an interview that will certainly rile up his critics, former ferguson police officer darren wilson tells the "new yorker" that he can't find work. he says his shooting and killing of michael brown jr. nearly a year ago is "it's too hot an issue, so it makes me unemployable."...
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the officer darren wilson the former officer darren wilson who shot and killed michael brown is now revealing his insights into life his struggle to find work and what he really thinks about michael brown. we'll talk to a state senator about what life is like now in ferguson a year after grabbing the nation's attention. ♪"once there was a hushpuppy" by dan romer and ben zeitlin ♪ is man kind? are we good? go see. go look through their windows so you can understand their views. go find out just how kind the hes and shes of this mankind are. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any
the officer darren wilson the former officer darren wilson who shot and killed michael brown is now revealing his insights into life his struggle to find work and what he really thinks about michael brown. we'll talk to a state senator about what life is like now in ferguson a year after grabbing the nation's attention. ♪"once there was a hushpuppy" by dan romer and ben zeitlin ♪ is man kind? are we good? go see. go look through their windows so you can understand their views. go...
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the black 18-year-old died last year after a confrontation with darren wilson. wilson was never charged in brown's death. protests broke out nationwide giving birth to the black lives matter movement. brown's father asked for people to remain peaceful in the one year anniversary of his son's death. >> i want to have a peaceful weekend, no drama, no stupidity and so we can have some type of peace. >> i did justice. >> separate demonstrations, brown was held near in new york where some say more must be done by police. >> what a tragedy. more on that through out the morning. we have another fox news story. another fox news alert. consulate in turkey's largest city. police in istanbul firing back as a firing back. this comes hours after three officers are hurt in a bombing at a police station. two people responsible for that attack. >> second firefighter is killed battling a fire. he was hit by a tree put out -- downed by lightning. >>> a fast moving fire in arizona forcing 1,000 homes to be evacuated. it already destroyed close to a dozen buildings erratic winds gu
the black 18-year-old died last year after a confrontation with darren wilson. wilson was never charged in brown's death. protests broke out nationwide giving birth to the black lives matter movement. brown's father asked for people to remain peaceful in the one year anniversary of his son's death. >> i want to have a peaceful weekend, no drama, no stupidity and so we can have some type of peace. >> i did justice. >> separate demonstrations, brown was held near in new york...
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wilson. c-n-n's polo sandoval takes a look at the events marking situation has changed in ferguson. >> reporter: frustrations haven't faded in ferguson. just about everywhere you look in this small missouri city, there are signs of a community still healing after michael brown was shot and killed by then-police officer darren wilson. while wilson was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing, his actions ignited a fiery, national debate about race relations. >>: "no justice, no peace!" >> reporter: on the streets of ferguson, people called for change within police ranks. seven months after brown's death, a report from the department of justice found discriminatory practices within ferguson p-d, among other problems with city government. >> reporter: a level of peace has since been restored, according to activist jay johnson. >>: "i would say that it's still pretty tense. there's a lot of work to be done but the conversations are happening, which is important." >> reporter: "next to the makeshift mem
wilson. c-n-n's polo sandoval takes a look at the events marking situation has changed in ferguson. >> reporter: frustrations haven't faded in ferguson. just about everywhere you look in this small missouri city, there are signs of a community still healing after michael brown was shot and killed by then-police officer darren wilson. while wilson was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing, his actions ignited a fiery, national debate about race relations. >>: "no justice, no...
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officer darren wilson was ultimately cleared in that shooting. >>> i want to take you back to that very night, just hours after the shooting of mike brown, my team flew into st. louis from chicago and we really did not know what to expect when we got there, but when we arrived, we saw hundreds of people in the streets, emotions were real, the feeling there was very raw. and you found that it was a raw feeling on all sides. i want to show you the story that i filed that night with cnn photo journalist jordan gadarzo. >> across the city, chaos. people pushing the limit with police. >> ain't none of you all stand up. one black man. >> racial tensions, nerves on edge, even an officer we caught on camera gave in to his rage calling protesters animals. listen. >> bring it. all you [ bleep ] animals, bring it. >> many witnesses say it was unrevoked attacked on a teenager, michael brown shot and killed on saturday by a ferguson police officer. some protesters trying to keep the peace while taking a stand against police. >> this is really a peace march. i
officer darren wilson was ultimately cleared in that shooting. >>> i want to take you back to that very night, just hours after the shooting of mike brown, my team flew into st. louis from chicago and we really did not know what to expect when we got there, but when we arrived, we saw hundreds of people in the streets, emotions were real, the feeling there was very raw. and you found that it was a raw feeling on all sides. i want to show you the story that i filed that night with cnn...
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the shooting of the unarmed black 18 year old by white police officer, darren wilson, spark many violent demonstrations across the country also around the world. later today, a march is planned that will start at the site of the brown shooting and finish at a local church. >>> the fbi is now assisting in the investigation of a deadly shooting involving a rookie texas police officer. friday morning, police officer brad miller shot and killed 19 year old christian taylor during burglary call at car dealership. according to reports, taylor was unarmed at the time of the shooting. arlington police department spokesman says that taylor was uncooperative after crashing his jeep through the front glass of deeper schil during that end counter. >> as officers stood outside the building they made verbal contact with mr. taylor through the glass wall instructing him to lion the ground. mr. taylor was not compliant. >> the officer has been placed on administrative leave while the investigation takes place. family members of taylor describe him as a good kid and don't believe that he was trying to co
the shooting of the unarmed black 18 year old by white police officer, darren wilson, spark many violent demonstrations across the country also around the world. later today, a march is planned that will start at the site of the brown shooting and finish at a local church. >>> the fbi is now assisting in the investigation of a deadly shooting involving a rookie texas police officer. friday morning, police officer brad miller shot and killed 19 year old christian taylor during burglary...
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the investigation cleared officer darren wilson in the shooting but issued a damning report on the department as a whole, saying it "helped create the racial tensions by unfairly targeting, searching and ticketing black people to help fill the city's coffers." what happens if your bosses, the city manager comes to you and says we need you to generate more money, we need you to ticket more people? what do you say to them? >> i won't do that. >> reporter: you'll just say no. >> i will. and they won't do that either. i've had conversations about the new leadership, and i didn't sign up as a police officer to go out and write tickets to generate funds. that is not our job. >> reporter: this year a new law has been passed to stop missouri's cities from using their police departments as atms, lowering what they can make on traffic fines. for ferguson, that means a reduction from a maximum of 30% to 12.5% of its operating revenue. the new chief says his officers are eager to move forward. black officers have been hired, though still make up only 10% of the force, while the community they say is 67%
the investigation cleared officer darren wilson in the shooting but issued a damning report on the department as a whole, saying it "helped create the racial tensions by unfairly targeting, searching and ticketing black people to help fill the city's coffers." what happens if your bosses, the city manager comes to you and says we need you to generate more money, we need you to ticket more people? what do you say to them? >> i won't do that. >> reporter: you'll just say no....
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everything changed on august 9th last year when darren wilson, a police officer, killed michael brown, an unarmed 18-year-old. as the city tries to repair its image, a new police chief is leading the way. cnn's sara sidner spoke with him. she was in ferguson for months on end covering all the protests and joins me live. hi, sara. >> reporter: hi, poppy. we spoke with the new interim police chief and there's a lot of talk about whether real change has happened here. he says it has and there will be more to come. >> i just really wish we had peace. we don't need this. no one needs this. it's not just the police officers i'm concerned about. i'm concerned about everyone. >> reporter: this is the man leading the most scrutinized police department in america right now. the ferguson, missouri police department. the city where an explosion of anger against police tactics erupted a year ago when officer darren wilson killed unarmed teenager michael brown after the two scuffled at the police vehicle. when you were looking from afar at what was happening here in ferguson one year ago, what was
everything changed on august 9th last year when darren wilson, a police officer, killed michael brown, an unarmed 18-year-old. as the city tries to repair its image, a new police chief is leading the way. cnn's sara sidner spoke with him. she was in ferguson for months on end covering all the protests and joins me live. hi, sara. >> reporter: hi, poppy. we spoke with the new interim police chief and there's a lot of talk about whether real change has happened here. he says it has and...
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it was the outrage when darren wilson shot an unarmed black teenager. >>> a three-alarm fire ripping through two buildings in queens. details on injuries. >>> good morning, everybody. a live picture from our camera in brooklyn over lower manhattan, and another gorgeous shot to cap off a gorgeous second half of the weekend. to me it was pretty much spectacular, and it's on repeat today. >> we are just lucky. >> you know what? thank you! >> thank you all for watching, that's all we have. >> nice, nice, nice. >> i'm toni yates in for michelle charlesworth. >> and i'm rob nelson. >> always glad to have you. >> it is. is this going to be like a 20 weekend? >> i think it may be a 19 weekend. it may be a 19. yesterday was a 10, and today may be a 9. a few more clouds are coming our way, and it all has to end. nothing scientific to make it that much worse. just high thin clouds, leftovers for yesterday, and 68 degrees right now in central park. looking at the numbers across the board it appears as though we could get back into the low to mid-80s again. a high of 82 degrees yesterday afternoo
it was the outrage when darren wilson shot an unarmed black teenager. >>> a three-alarm fire ripping through two buildings in queens. details on injuries. >>> good morning, everybody. a live picture from our camera in brooklyn over lower manhattan, and another gorgeous shot to cap off a gorgeous second half of the weekend. to me it was pretty much spectacular, and it's on repeat today. >> we are just lucky. >> you know what? thank you! >> thank you all for...
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. >> officer darren wilson, telling his side of the story for the first time. you're absolutely convinced, if michael brown were white, this would have gone down in the same way? >> yes. >> no question. >> he's the consummate professional. the absolute best. >> you can tell from my interviews with the two presidents. don't you think putin is playing for time and playing you? >> you called secretary of state clinton an enemy of iran. >> abc news has learn that osama bin laden has been killed. >> there have been two explosions today at the boston marathon. >> george is fully in control. >> three gunmen on the loose. >> he's calm, collected, and there's no one better to lead us through these extraordinary times. that announcement just shatters sta ster ster stereotypes. >> is hillary your candidate in 2016? >> it's going to be an awesome race. are you going to be a part of it? >> george is the best interviewer in on tv. >> who's the most consistent conservative candidate? and which of you is most able to defeat president obama? >> when you say you love kim, were y
. >> officer darren wilson, telling his side of the story for the first time. you're absolutely convinced, if michael brown were white, this would have gone down in the same way? >> yes. >> no question. >> he's the consummate professional. the absolute best. >> you can tell from my interviews with the two presidents. don't you think putin is playing for time and playing you? >> you called secretary of state clinton an enemy of iran. >> abc news has...
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. >> so what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson? what comes to mind? >> the devil that comes to mind. evil. >> an al jazeera america exclusive interview. >>> hundreds of people are feared to have drowned in the mediterranean after an overcrowded fishing boat cap sized. 450 have been rescued but 25 are confirmed dead. >>> more afghan civilians are being injured more than ever before. >>> aid workers in myanmar struggling to reach remote areas hit by floods and monsoon rains. >>> now to the u.s. where president obama's appealing for americans to back the iran nuclear deal saying without it there will be war in the middle east. barack obama has been presenting his case at the american university the same place where john f. kennedy gave his famous nonproliferation speech. >> this is the strongest nonproliferation agreement ever negotiated. and because this is such a strong deal every nation in the world that has commented publiclypublic publicly with the exception of the israeli government has expressed support. the united nations security council has una
. >> so what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson? what comes to mind? >> the devil that comes to mind. evil. >> an al jazeera america exclusive interview. >>> hundreds of people are feared to have drowned in the mediterranean after an overcrowded fishing boat cap sized. 450 have been rescued but 25 are confirmed dead. >>> more afghan civilians are being injured more than ever before. >>> aid workers in myanmar struggling to reach...
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. >> what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson. what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. evil. >> you can see the full interview tonight at 7:00 eastern. >>> a democratic committee woman from ferguson says brown's death has slowly brought some change to ferguson. >> i think that change is moving at a snail's pace. there have been some changes which -- change is very hard to get. i think people are underestimating that. but it's just a microcosm of how fast it's changed coming into this country. we have an interim police chief and an interim city manager. the city is still -- going on unfortunately and -- >>> after. ly and -- >>reporter: it is one of the largest and perhaps most important construction projects in new orleans since hurricane katrina. it's celebrated as full scale healthcare finally coming back to a city that needs it. but can it fulfill its mission to providing care for the poor and uninsured. there was a frantic race for some of the city's most vulnerable. >> i had a sense of helplessness. >> you're loading sick patients on, you know, o
. >> what do you think when i mention the name darren wilson. what comes to mind? >> the devil. that comes to mind. evil. >> you can see the full interview tonight at 7:00 eastern. >>> a democratic committee woman from ferguson says brown's death has slowly brought some change to ferguson. >> i think that change is moving at a snail's pace. there have been some changes which -- change is very hard to get. i think people are underestimating that. but it's just a...