rosen are with us. alex, what do you think about that exchange, the clarification, the uproar that's developed over the use of the term anchor babies. >> we're looking for a strong president to keep this country from spinning apart and there at the end you saw some strength. nobody will lecture me. but there's a little rust on jeb bush. "i wasn't insulting hispanics, i was insulting asians." no, that's no -- you don't want that to be the focus of the debate, especially when everyone knows that jeb bush is not a guy who discriminates against anyone. >> and you know this anchor baby issue just acknowledged that latino immigrants resent the use of the word. stop using it. when people who are discriminated against decide that that is an offensive word, just accept that, don't try and justify it other and over again. but, you know, here's the problem. jeb bush is just twisting himself in knots, the poor thing, trying to figure out how to take some of that trump momentum away. and he gets keeping caught up in

i think that that will resonate more and more what hilary rosen was saying, women want to be a voice but they also want to be an independent voice, not necessarily a collective. >> why do you think it is that we're constantly, i mean we as a collective, a society or the media, if you will, jump to wow, i wonder what this is going to do to the woman vote that he said something that many think is offensive to women? should we be asking? aren't men upset about this, too? >> yeah, it's a really good question. that's why erick erickson from red state, the guy who disinvited donald trump, is somebody who i disagree with on substantive issues, on almost everything, as he and i have been on the opposite sides of cnn for many years. but the one thing i really respect him on is that as a man he stood up and said you know what, it is really unacceptable to be talking about people that way. and i just think that we're going to get to a place where the conversation has to be smarter. i think frankly, when hillary clinton is facing whoever that gop candidate is, the fact that she's a woman won't b

. >>> hilary rosen and republican tarry, hilary, we saw clinton again facing tough questions about that e-mail server. you watch her body language and listen her, she clearly wasn't happy about it. take a listen. >> i'm, you know, i have no idea. that's why we turned it over. >> you were in charge of it. did you wipe the server? >> what, like with a cloth or something? >> well, no. >> arguably a bit of an awkward joke there. are you concerned this is going to dog her campaign all the way through and force her not to talk about the issues she wants to define her? >> i don't think they do dominate the town halls. i think she gets a question a day and she responds to it and that's the thing that we play and that other people focus on. look, as she said the facts are the facts and there are a couple ways that this is going to go, right? they, you know, the government is looking into it and partisan congressional hearings and she'll get there and answer the questions. she's dammed if she does or doesn't. what happened happened. she said it was a mistake and repeated it was a mistake and all

rosen is joining us. her firm consults for the democratic national committee. alex, what do you make of this debate over the term "anchor babies" right now and the fact that donald trump is defending using that phrase as is jeb bush for that matter. >> it helps donald trump and it helps jeb bush wolf. right now a lot of americans think that telling the truth is somehow becoming an insult. something prohibited and they are hungry for the opposite of phony politics they get coming out of washington. they want things called by their name, even if it offends some people. so politically this was a moment of strength for trump and jeb bush who hasn't really planted his flag on anything . >> jeb bush used the term during an interview during q & a with reporters and said this. >> what i said is it's commonly referred to that. that's what i said. i didn't use it as my own language. what we ought to do is protect the 14th. if you want to get to the policy for a second, i think people born in this country ought to b

joining us to discuss this, mitch slap and hilary rosen, a democratic strategist. matt, conspiracy theory, trump is a clinton plant. bill clinton has orchestrated this whole trump phenomenon. discuss. >> well, let me tell you, bill clinton is somebody who has a good idea of what's going on in politics, but i can't think that even bill clinton could have predicted what donald trump has done to this race, and they better be kalcareful. if they pushed him to run, they might be sorry they did. >> they might. but hillary, why would bill clinton be discussing the offerioffe -- offering trump, if you will, advice to donald trump? >> bill clinton offers the neighborhood bartender advice on politics. it doesn't take a lot to get him to discuss politics. i think matt is right that probably the first thing clinton did was analyze the gop field and what we saw early on in the race was republicans really weren't that happy with any of their choices. there was nobody who was, you know, people were coalescing around, and trump, you know, understood that. bill clinton pointed that