>> the rnc is also asking that more needs to be said. what is this relationship between the rnc and donald trump? >> reporter: they are caught between a rock and a hard place. comments like this from donald trump are not helpful from the republican party and brand. they can't do much. they can't tell him he can't be part of the republican presidential race. they are just an organization. it is really going to be down to the voters. we will see whether this has really hurt donald trump. i can't imagine it will help him. you are probably going to see him slip in the polls. all they can ask is for an apology. the big concern amongst republicans is that if donald trump leaves the republican party and launches a third party bid, it allows the next president to be a democrat, perhaps hillary clinton. >> i want to bring in two more people into this conversation, jason johnson, a political science professor and cnn political commentator here. >> anna, the trump camp has released yet another statement. you have all these tweets coming from donald

the rnc is in a tough place. you talked earlier about them being nicer to donald trump. the rnc recognizes that republicans need to do a better job reaching out to these voting blocks, latinos, asians, young people, and donald trump really isn't helping much with that. so they have to not make him too mad but they need to win voters. >> i understand you think ted cruz is banking on donald trump's fall in order for him to rise. >> absolutely. looking at the polls, ted cruz's support has fallen a little bit in the last couple months and donald trump's has risen, and he's wanting to be the voice for the same group of supporters that made their way to donald trump. that's why you see ted cruz constantly picking a fight. donald trump had very different decisions about what to do with that deal. ted cruz saying he wants to get rid of it on day one. donald trump saying he's a businessman, and he would just force a deal in a much stronger fashion. that aligns himself with more of the moderates in his party, ted cruz with the chris christies and not the scott walkers. they don't

. >> shaun pieser of the rnc said no more name-calling. trump has been insulting some of your rivals on the campaign trail. do you agree with the no name calling, invoking reagan's 11th commandment? >> that's certainly my philosophy. i don't engage in that. because the problems that we face as a nation are so severe there are several things that really threaten to destroy us. and if we get distracted with you know third-grade playground tactics, then we're going to get third-grade playground results. this is a serious time. >> i bring that up because i have a feeling, with trump at the center of the debate stage you're going to be on that it's going to affect the whole debate if he is insulting people or using third-grade tactics, as you said. >> i actually think that donald trump is not going to be nearly as wild as people think he is. he's a reasonable guy. he is not going to try to outtalk everybody else. that's my prediction. i don't think he'll try to do it. >> we'll see on thursday. >>> let me show a poll statistic that i thought was

to the head of the rnc, he had a plan. the debates were going to be serious, substantive, you got 17 candidates out there. a lot of them have a lot of great idea. he wanted to kind of control this. he can't. he is just, he is just unable to. and i think, you know what you go, what you see is that donald trump represents an anger in the republican party, we have all said this, many times, people who feel disenfranchised from their own party. who are anti-establishment, anti-washington, anti-politician, and donald trump, you know has picked that up and run with it quite effectively. right? and i think what the head of the rnc wants is somebody that can beat the democrat, presumably in the general election, and he doesn't believe that's donald trump. >> i am out of time. going to do it in five second. >> i was with rhynes. he is happy. loves this. nine more debates. got the reality show. get to the substance. next debate cnn. >> thank you all. appreciate it. read gloria borger's comment about donald trump and women, on cnn.co

unfortunately the networks and the rnc have gone along with this irrelevant of legitimacy of candidacy. the ability to influence who's in the top ten by the amount of coverage they get, the amount of advertising dollars. folks who have advertised on fox and fox business in order to drive their numbers up. this is -- and i hear it everywhere i go. i'm here in iowa right now, i was in new hampshire, south carolina, people are concerned that the media, we are going to decide who the top candidates are, not the people of iowa, not the people of new hampshire. that's wrong. >> but to be clear -- this is the chairman of the republican party, this is the rnc that have signed off on these criteria. you're being frozen out of this first debate. >> i have said it from day one. well, look, here's what i know, four years ago, there was a straw poll, i finished fourth. way down in the pack. the two people, the person that finished first, didn't win a gate, a few days later, another candidate came in with hundreds of thousands of dollars, was at the top of the polls in august, he didn't win a delega

i was inside the rnc to watch the plan in the rnc is to put tons of money into one candidate signed a candidate early and put your thumb on the scale until everybody else to stand down and built that way. it won't work again. we fail to know ed and we failed in 12 and we need something fresh for the country. by the way one of the earlier callers reference there's a movement we talk about these issues of wholesomeness. one great failure is our churches. i happen to be a pro-life catholic. the churches have failed to articulate a vision about the family and marriage are protestant churches have failed. if you believe that this 5-4 decision was a huge threat to marriage and to family the response was milk toast and not serious. we have got to challenge ourselves in our faith communities to respond better because guys like barry lynne are having a field day pushing their vision. we are not pushing that ari well. >> of you want to join the conversation for the next 50 minutes with ed martin republicans 202-7488001 and democrats -- and the pen is not (202)748-8002. bill is waiting on her li

i have seen the contract the networks have with the rnc about the debates. it says clearly the criteria getting into the debate will be done in consultation with you. you had a role here -- >> i don't have a contract. you're wrong, i don't have a contract with fox news and i don't have a contract with cnn. but that all being said, we are in consultation, and i have talked to them, but you know what, i'm not opposed to what their doing. i actually think they're doing great job. i'm actually very grateful to fox news and cnn for the fact they're letting every single person, all 17, participate in debate night. >> okay, let me -- >> i think we got amnesia. four years ago, do you remember jon huntsman and gary johnson didn't make the cut of some debates. i'm sure you remember that. the point is, there is a meritocracy involved but that being said, everyone is going to have an opportunity. i think it's great. >> thank you, mr. chairman. appreciate you taking time to join us this morning. >>> the roundtable is here now. former house speaker newt gingrich. abc's co

i got a statement from the rnc. "we found a lot of useful stuff, we know what we're looking for and who we are looking at. it's a piece of the larger engine." when they say "useful stuff," what does that mean specifically? is there, like, something that's already been released or are they holding it to see what happens down the road? >> it's a little bit of both. he's found things that have turned around and become press relea releases, it depends on what's in the news. when i was there he found a statement from hillary clinton from her days as first lady that looked like she was contradicting remarks she's made on immigration. he sends that off to the rnc and they haven't used it yet. so we'll see when they use it. they flag it to the necessary teams. this is a huge operation and he is just a part of it. and so whether they use -- it's up to them whether they use it right away or whether they hold it for the general election. >> we didn't get a statement from the clinton campaign. we did get one from a pro-clinton

the rnc. he joins us now from cleveland. let's start with donald trump, sean. is he embarrassing the republican party by standing there in the city the same city where the nominee will be coronated and saying he's not going to support that candidate if it's not him? >> that's not what he said brianna. >> he wouldn't guarantee. he didn't say he would support them he left it wide open for launching a third-party bid. is that embarrassing for the republican party? >> well, obviously, look i'd be lying if i said i didn't want all the candidates to right here right now pledge their 100% support to support our eventual nominee. we need to be united as a party. if we're not a third party, it would be a huge help up to hillary clinton. i think mr. trump understands that. so i think we're going to continue to have conversations with him. i think he will support -- agree to support whomever the nominee is. he knows better than anyone that if you don't have a republican nominee and a republican party united that hillary clinton certainly -- her odds of becoming president

unfortunately the networks and the rnc have gone along with this. the ability to influence who's in the top ten by the amount of coverage they get, the amount of advertising dollars. folks who have advertised on fox and fox business in order to drive their numbers up. i'm here in iowa right now, i was in new hampshire the south carolina people are concerned that the media, we are going to decide who the top candidates are, no to the people of iowa not the people of new hampshire. >> to be clear -- this is the chairman of the republican party, this is the rnc who have signed up on these criteria. you're being frozen out of this first debate. >> i have said it from day one. well look here's what i know four years ago, there was a straw poll i finished fourth. way down in the pack. the two people the person who finished first, didn't win a gate, a few days later, was at the to which polls in august he didn't win a delegate. i'm not worried about what's happening higher in august whether it's a debate or the like. i'm looking for the opportunity for eve

. >> does the rnc know on which five polls fox will rely? >> no fox has said they will use the latest five nationals that meet their standards. my understanding is they will announce what their criteria is but there are people constantly out there polling and i think what fox wants to do is ensure they have the latest polls that have been completed to ensure that if anyone is surging one way or the other, that the top ten and the bottom six are the most representative of the polls that have been most recently completed. >> but doesn't the rnc then worry that it has seated control for this first and important debate to television executives at fox? >> well, i mean the law is very clear on this. the rnc cannot nor can any political organization set the criteria and format. the rnc can be involved in sanctioning the debate but when it comes to format the law is very clear. >> the concern i'm expressing is one of polls come to different conclusions. and maybe someone can say, rick perry, he's pretty good tv. he had that oops moment last cycle. w

in fact the rnc actually scheduled votes of the rnc meeting during the 5:00 debate. >> that sucks the oxygen right out of the room for a debate. all right, now, you watched the second debate with whom? >> rick perry and george pataki. rick was kind enough to organize something. we had talked about this earlier of trying to maybe get together afterwards. so he actually invited all seven of the folks up on the stage to have some dinner and -- >> who picked up the bill do you know? don't answer that. >> i don't know the answer to that. i don't know whether the campaigns shared it. i have no idea. >> there's the picture. >> my team took that picture. and it's like one of the things that i really believe is important, and i really stressed this if this is is a primary about tearing each other down and going after each other personally, the only person that wins is hillary clinton. this has to be a substantive debate. rick perry and i agree on most things but there are some things we disagree about. we should be able to have that discussion on substance and not make it personal. we should b

. >> does the rnc know on which five polls fox will rely? >> no. fox has said they'll use the latest five nationals that meet their standards. my understanding is they'll announce those, what their criteria is. but there are people that are constantly out there polling and i think what fox wants to do is ensure that they've got the latest polls that have been completed to ensure that if anyone's surging one way or the other, that the top ten and the bottom six are the most representative of the polls that have been most recently completed. >> but doesn't the rnc then worry that it has ceded control for this first and important debate to television executives at fox? >> well the law is very clear on this. that the rnc cannot nor can any political organization actually set the criteria or the format. the rnc can be involved in sanctioning debate but when it comes to the format and criteria the law is very clear. >> i guess the concern that i'm expressing is one of polls come to different conclusions, and maybe someone can say, rick perry, he's pretty

in fact, the rnc actually scheduled votes of the rnc meeting during the 5:00 debate. >> that sucks the oxygen right out of the room for a debate. all right, now, you watched the second debate with whom? >> rick perry and george pataki. rick was kind enough to organize something. we had talked about this earlier of trying to maybe get together afterwards. so he actually invited all seven of the folks up on the stage to have some dinner and -- >> who picked up the bill, do you know? don't answer that. >> i don't know the answer to that. i don't know whether the campaigns shared it. i have no idea. >> there's the picture. >> my team took that picture. and it's like one of the things that i really believe is important, and i really stressed this, if this is is a primary about tearing each other down and going after each other personally, the only person that wins is hillary clinton. this has to be a substantive debate. rick perry and i agree on most things but there are some things we disagree about. we should be able to have that discussion on substance and not make it personal. we should

how do you think at the rnc it turned out now? >> i think fox should be complimented for having the most inclusive debate night in the united states. this is more than has ever been part of a process before. for the average viewer they need to be reminded over 140 people timed to seek the republican nomination for president. we have spectacular candidates. i think either party has ever seen. fox found a way to get them involved. it's not a perfect system before it allows everybody to have a voice in the process. bill: rick santorum is not a fan. he says national polls in september are meaningless. >> the greatest number of candidates ever on a debate stage. fox took an extra step to make sure the top 17 are included. i can understand why somebody who is not in the top 10 is upset they are not on the top 10 stage. he worked hard last time and went through all the 99 counties in iowa and was able to pull off a victory. the debates are just one part of the process and senator santorum knows that. bill: rick perry sent out a tweet. he

and the last thing i want is people in washington or the rnc deciding who gets in. why i feel bad that certain people may have been left off, at the end of the day right now, the way that the system is working both for cnn and for fox, is that an eave rang of national polls, which is a gauge of where people have support for you, is what the basis is is a lot better than someone at the rnc or some random person in new york. they've held some particular office. frankly, what people want more of are people who have been -- who are not in washington making this decision. >> okay. all right. then, to my next point, then. let's talk about donald trump, who's never held a political office. he changed his voice mail today after gauker released his cell phone number. >> hi, this is donald trump and i'm running for the presidency of the united states of america. with your help and support, together, we can make america truly great again. visit me in twitter at real donald trump and check out my campaign web site at www.donaldtrump.com. hope to see your campaign trail. we're g

to your point, the rnc, they do have files. they do have maps. they do provide aid behind the scenes. they should use some of their leverage. unless you commit to us, i can't commit to you. they can come back at him. maybe tomorrow on "fox and friends" he comes on the telephone. that's what i still call it. >> i'm dying to hear how that goes. that's must-see tv. it really is. >> get cable and watch at home. >> absolutely. >> i'm not joking. i want to hear that interview. it's going to be good. >> we have very good relations with donald trump. >> i get you. i get you. >> every monday, dana perino. >> yes. >>> so what do you think the democrats are thinking about all of this? >> i think they're loving it. i think they're got the popcorn out and they're watching. donald trump is not good for the other gop candidates, right? does anyone want to make an argument to the contrary? >> he's clearly and anomaly. you know, clearly, donald trump is not the establishment candidate. we know that. >> a lot of people on that stage are not. >> he's not one of us

the rnc statement saying for hillary clinton to equate her political opponents to terrorists is a new low for her flailing campaign. she should apologize immediately for her inflammatory rhetoric. jeb bush tweeted out and hillary clinton compares pro-life americans to terrorists but defense despicable planned parenthood treatment of the unborn. her priorities are totally wrong. meanwhile, quinnipiac, along with its new national poll, came up with a new way to ask people what they think of all these candidates. they asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you think of -- and let's put up these word clouds. first for hillary clinton, the first word that was most came to mind was liar. and then you can see the other words there untrustworthy, dishonest. you see experience and strong. jeb bush, his word cloud looks like this. the biggest word, bush. and you see the other words there. a different way to kind of poll people. and donald trump. we had to blur a couple of these words out. but arrogant is the biggest word in this word cloud. when asked about the first word on donal

rnc spokesmen sean spicer says they should be happy over that. >> is there over 140 people that filed with the federal election commission seeking republican nomination. i think to be honest they should be excited that they are being included, given an opportunity to have their voice heard. >> reporter: at least one of them seems to be former texas governor rick per hoy kept his tone optimistic on tuesday night. lie forward to being at "fox news" 5:00 p.m. debate for what will be a another just exchange of ideas and positive solution toss get america ban on track. while they will have their chance much of the attention of the donors and early state endorsers will be on the main stage and on one candidate in particular. andrew spencer, cbs-3 "eyewitness news". >>> fbi is investigating, security at hillary clinton's private e-mail server, according to reports this morning in the washington post. paper says that the feds asked one of clinton's lawyers about the vulnerability of the thumb drive which contains copy of the former secretary of state's e-mails. clinton used the server while w

the rnc in my mind should be in charge of it, not cnn. and in the end, voters get to decide. >> you know, dana, don't you think this has a lot to do with cnn really looking at not actually giving people a benefit for being successful and rising to the top for a good performance at the debate? >> i think what happened is that cnn got itself too far over its skis and iin announcing their r without giving it more time or having more discussion. it is a busy time of year. people want to have things nailed down. the debate is high stakes. big ratings. you've got 17 candidates. how are you going to deal with them. i think they got themselves boxed in. because i would imagine that over at cnn that they are thinking, gosh, maybe we should have changed these rules. now how do you do that? >> eric, don't you think the rnc is responsible a little bit? >> i think this is the best thing for carly fiorina. look what she did on what they call it the happy hour debate. cnn 6 to 9 if i'm not mistaken the two debates. she can do it again. she smoked the fi

we have spoken to the rnc and we don't have to -- we don't need to prove anything to them. all you have got to do is look at the polls. it's clear. i'm in the top five in every statewide poll. more than one. i think it's pretty obvious where i am polling now. i think it's pretty obvious that the more voters get to look at me, the more they tend to support me. and that's really encouraging. of course i would like to be on the debate stage but i don't think cnn is going to determine this election. i think voters are going to determine this election. >> you don't sound angry. i mean, if i would be furious if i had had had like a good showing, you know, on august 6th, like you did. and there has been a dramatic change in your numbers since august 6th. i would be furious. you sort of seem sort of, you know, more accepting of it is that a fair decision. >> not accepting. we're making a lot of noise about it i just find that anger doesn't do much good. i also, as you know, greta, i started out as a secretary. i have been used to sort of pushing uphill all my life. i have been used

what his name is. >> and coming up at 7:00 on "today," an exclusive interview with reince priebus. >> rnc chairman reince priebus. >> here with reince priebus. reince priebus, excuse me. reince priebus. >> chairman reince priebus. >> he's way bigger than rinse priebus. >> rnc chairman ranse pubis. [ laughter and applause ] >> jimmy: i feel bad for rounce pubis. >> steve: yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: just don't bring him into the whole argument. yeah. [ laughter ] >> steve: pubis. yeah, you got it. >> jimmy: one of the least talked about candidates right now is former rhode island governor lincoln chafee. any of you guys thinking of voting for lincoln chafee? [ laughter ] he's actually polling at zero percent among voters last week. zero. well, this week he released his first campaign ad, and he's really trying hard to reverse the trend. maybe he's trying a little too hard. check this out. >> you know clinton. >> and we're going to go forward. >> you know sanders. >> think big. >> but what about lincoln chafee? >> i have one of those surfboards that you stand up and paddle. [ laughter ] >> he use

see chairman reince priebus. >> chairman reince priebus. >> he's way bigger than rinse priebus. >> rnc chairman ranse pubis. [ laughter and applause ] >> jimmy: i feel bad for rounce pubis. >> steve: yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: just don't bring him into the whole argument. yeah. [ laughter ] >> steve: pubis. yeah, you got it. >> jimmy: one of the least talked about candidates right now is former rhode island governor lincoln chafee. any of you guys thinking of voting for lincoln chafee? [ laughter ] he's actually polling at zero percent among voters last week. zero. well, this week he released his first campaign ad, and he's really trying hard to reverse the trend. maybe he's trying a little too hard. check this out. >> you know clinton. >> and we're going to go forward. >> you know sanders. >> think big. >> but what about lincoln chafee? >> i have one of those surfboards that you stand up and paddle. [ laughter ] >> he use to run the country's smallest state. but now he's gotten the biggest dreams. >> let's join the rest of the world and go metric. >> metric system, baby! [ laughter ] he's

all the pundits are upset he didn't take the pledge and maybe the g.o.p., the rnc is upset. but the voters don't seem to be upset and they are mad at the g.o.p. it's almost like the voters tapping into the anger that they have an appreciation for his rogue nature in not taking the pledge. >> i have seen a lot of polls. i would think a lot of republicans would be concerned about handing the presidency over to hillary clinton which is exactly what would happen if donald trump ends up running as a third party. i don't think donald trump would mind that he admitted in that debate he paid hillary clinton he donated to her so is she would come to his wedding. he had high praise canadian style healthcare. it's not all that clear that donald trump would prefer a republican that isn't him in the white house. >> i don't think he wants to be the spoiler. do you? do you think he wants to be the spoiler of the g.o.p. >> we know what donald trump thinks about losers. does he want to be loser who loses the republican primary in new hampshire and loses the caucuses in iowa or go out as a lo

the last thing i think people want, frankly, is people in washington or people at the rnc deciding who gets in based on the fact they have held some kind of elective office. >> others republicans are trying to put an optimistic spin of being assigned on the second-tier debate. rick perry saying the following. i look forward to being on the fox news 5:00 p.m. debate what will be a serious exchange of ideas and positive solutions to get america back on track. carly fiorina put out this statement. a super pact backing bobby jindal posted an ad it plans to air in iowa during the main event. >> the debate is cleveland is all about a celebrity but one candidate is moving up where it counts in iowa. bobby jindal. >> lindsey graham took a light-hearted approach suggesting viewers pregame what he called the trump debacle by grabbing a cold one and watching the happy hour debate and hiding their cell phone numbers. >>> from our donald trump, he is talking about the debate on thursday. giving a little preview of what he plans to highlight. in an interview last night with bill o'reilly, he said he

. >> so from a party perspective you are the communications director for the rnc. at what point do you reach out to mr. trump? >> we have private conversations with all of the candidates and their staff on an ongoing basings. those will continue. i think you noted that the chairman has talked to mr. trump about his tone. mr. trump style is that he speaks off the cuff, he is not someone who has run before. and while that may be part of his popularity, he does need to understand that he is seeking the presidency of the united states now and that words do water and so while people may have a problem with some folks who ascribe to totally political correct innings i think he needs to be much more understanding of the fact that every word you say is being scrutinized at this point and we need to be more careful in how it comes across to different demographics and individuals across this country. >> that was rnc communications director sean spicer. let's go to the fight over the the iran nuclear deal following president obama on the first day of his vacation at martha's

i will say, with that being said, i'm being treated very nicely by the rnc. and reince priebus and everybody. they're treating me very nicely. and that's what i want. i want a level playing field. and if i get a level playing field, fairness, then it's highly unlikely that i do the other, which would be, you would call a third party. >> it's that pledge right at the top, not taking that pledge that many analysts believe might hurt trump the most. i mean, people who do not want a repeat of '92, that a billionaire businessman runs third party, siphons vote from potentially a bush, and hands the white house to a clinton. i mean, is this the most resonant point here, beyond the comments about john mccain, even the comments about megyn kelly? >> yeah. i said that earlier in our last segment, that this is the leverage he's dangling over the heads of the republican party, and i think that people are very fearful of this. you know, donald trump said that he's a smart guy. ask him a question about physics. i can tell you that he has definitely -- he is not -- he's vio

let's keep in mind, it is not just fox news, this is something that the rnc decided. they decided to front-load this and sort of push everybody into one news organization. that news organization then outsourced its decision making to pollsters. i mean, what everybody expected was that there was going to be a fairly orderly kind of sort of shoveling together of the traditional candidates. then donald trump steps in, not so much donald trump, but there's an anchor out there he represents and that's representative of him rising in the polls. now they have to contain that and that's the thing to watch. how much of the real populist anger that's out there, that accounts for the rise in donald trump, how much of it is going to find its way into the debate? because the rest of the folks, professional politicians, they are aware that the anger is out there. they know that donald trump himself is a problem and that his supporters are a challenge. >> maggie, beyond donald trump, who are you keeping your eyes on? >> jeb bush. that's the single other person who you need to be kee

we hope the rnc will speak out about this, say they also find this unfair. we hope that cnn will see the light here and let her on that main stage. >> thus far, i understand that cnn says rules are rules. the rnc said rules are rules. what kind of options do you really have here? >> what cnn first said is they weren't legally allowed to change the rules. the head of the fcc and said there's no fcc rules that says you can't change your rules at this point. then they changed their minds and said, actually, we didn't raise this soon enough and there was a magical time, particularly in may, where they would have changed the rules if we had said something. they won't tell us when that was or why they didn't tell us at the time. >> we mentioned the clear politics average. the new bloomberg des moines register has carly fiorina in seventh place. how real is the chance with the new polls constantly coming out, that everything will even out in the end and you will make the main stage? >> unfortunately, you're right, that every major poll for the last month has shown

he knows that if he says he will just support the gop nominee, that the rnc can push him aside. this will keep him on their toes. this is making him nervous about what he can do. as brett baier mentioned, if he runs, given the demographics of the map and voters right now or in 2016, that does hand it to the democrats most likely. >> let's talk about donald trump a bit more before i move on. meghan kelly, confronting him sharply about his record of name calling to women. listen to this exchange. >> you called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. you're twitter account. >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. >> and honestly, meghan, if you don't like it, i'm sorry. i have been very nice to you, although i probably could not have been based on the way you treated me, but i won't do that. >> the questions to me were not nice. i didn't think they were appropriate. i think meghan behaved very badly. >> the question about women. you didn't like that? >> i thought it was an unfair question. they did not ask that of anybody else. the answers were good. >

. >> the rnc demanded an apology and rer rivals are saying no. >> i will take care of women's health and women's health issues better than anybody and far better than hillary clinton who doesn't have a clue >> she is desperate and panicked. her views are radical. here is what is most offensive about it. they will not call terrorist terrorist but they call their political opponents terrorist. >> jeb bush tweeted this. hillary clinton compares pro-life americans to terrorist. that stands for planned parenthood. her priorities are totally wrong. and scott walker saying hillary clinton has audacity. a spokesperson saying instead of manufacturing outrage by twisting her words republican candidates should stop pushing policies that would hurt women. we played the sound bite. >> this goes to show her behavior is not going to play in the 21st century. it is not. the difference between bill clinton and her is he was a womanizer and wasn't in quid pro quo with god knows who because of the e-mails she erased. we don't even know who she owes favors to. she has blood on her hands. benghazi. so ma

senator -- >> the last thing i think people want frankly, is people in washington or people at the rnc deciding who gets in based on the fact they have held some kind of elective office. >> you see him in front of the quicken loans arena. that is where lebron james plays. will anyone play like him in the debate? rick perry tweeted i look forward to being on the fox news 500 p.m. debate what is a serious exchange of ideas and positive solutions to get america back on track. carly fiorina looks forward to answering questions in cleveland on thursday. an ad backing bobby jindal will air an ad in iowa during the main debate. >> one candidate is moving up where it counts in iowa. bobby jindal. >> lindsey graham took a light-hearted approach suggesting viewers pregame what he called the trump debacle by watching the happy hour debate and hiding their cell phone numbers. >>> donald trump is previewing the topics he plans to highlight. in an interview with bill o'reilly last night he said he distant plan to go after jeb bush or others for the nomination nomination. >> i want to talk about the

. >> the place where the rnc will give the nod. >> i fully understand. >> and experts say an independent run would certainly hand the race over to democrats and likely another clinton. you can't say tonight that you can make that pledge? >> i cannot say -- >> donald trump, putting him on the responsible and his position, trump's position, not moving an inch. joining us tonight co-host of outnumbered on the fox newschannel, jedidiah bee la, former reagan white house -- political analyst republican strategist ed rollins and democratic strategy hank shine cough. good to have you with us. let's start with the attempt to get mr. trump to budge. he wouldn't. >> no surprises from me there. he doesn't want to have to answer to anyone. he doesn't want to explain to anyone what he will or will not do. he feels like a lot -- many don't like him. he says look, i may do this or that. they see that as a third-party run would hand over to hillary clinton a bunch of votes. he doesn't care. that's the bottom line. donald trump is there -- >> he was straightforward. >> i'm going to do what i'm going to do

you look at the rnc. the press is on the republican side on this. against the clintons, for this investigation. john: having followed a lot of federal investigations, they always start out with, well, this is just an investigation. we are just looking at the practices, not at you. as you said, it builds. we don't know where that will lead. you go back to her initial statement, i know the server is secure. at the time i thought to myself, how do you know that? now the fbi wants to know how she could claim it was. mark: there are a number of aides who will now be scrutinized, who will really be on the line to explain their role, which the intelligence community says contained classified information. john: and other not so good news for hillary clinton, a new poll out of new hampshire puts clinton close to bernie sanders. according to that ball she has a six point lead, and the margin of error is 5.9%. two bad data points for clinton. when asked who is least honest clinton scores 31%, and sanders scores 3%. that is one of those where you don't want to

the rnc would not have sanctioned and and of candidates would not have shown up. donald trump chose not to be here. as the caller before the last one said, you got to hear carson and pataki. given the parameters and the reality, it was as good as it could have been. host: what was it like for you? jack: um just, focused on listening and not get too absorbed in what was next, in case there was a point of follow-up. just staying focused and staying in the moment. these are very talented people and one of these people could well be the next president. to have so many of them on mammoth is jewssues was fun. host: secretary clinton and obama -- you've watched to this political process a long time. did you have that same observation? jack: clearly, the republican candidates are going to tie the democrats to obama. on a number of issues, the economy reall y rose to the top. it was one the voters cared about. jobs have two different pictures that the democrats and republicans are painting. obviously, hillary clinton carly feeiorina has been consistent in going after clin

you look at the rnc. the press is on the republican side on this. >> having followed a lot of federal investigations, they always start out with, well, this is just an investigation. as you said, it builds. we don't know where that will lead. you go back to her initial statement, i know the server is secure. now the fbi wants to know how she could claim it was. >> there are a number of aides who will now be scrutinized, who will really be on the line to explain their role, which the intelligence community says contained classified information. >> a new poll out of new hampshire puts clinton close to bernie sanders. she has a six point lead, and the margin of error is 5.9%. two bad data points for clinton. when asked who is least honest, clinton scores 31%, and sanders scores 3%. on the question of who is most likable, clinton got 24%, sanders got 40%. can bernie sanders beat hillary clinton in new hampshire? >> i think he can. i don't rule out that he beats her in iowa. there is a certain momentum now. i

incidentally also the site of the rnc convention july 2016. last thoughts chris. >> well i think one of the points you made is absolutely essential. and that is yes there's the primetime debate the earlier debate. but this is still what almost seven, eight months before people actually start voting in iowa. so this is an opportunity, these two debates, so or the out this enormous field of 17. and i agree with you. some of the people in the top tier will fall back into the second tier. and some of the people in the second tier will come forward. and people -- we don't want to make it the donald trump show but it is. everybody is fascinated that he is the frontrunner for the nomination now. as opposed to these other most of them career politicians except for ben carson and carly fiorina, we just don't quite know how donald trump, will he be the bombastic reality show star? or will he because he's now got a lead to protect, be a more conventional politician? we'll see on thursday night. >> meghan we'll see you tonight at 9:00 p.m. for "the kelly

if it's still up in the air, he can still say to the rnc you've got to treat me right. i'm still leading the pack, you need to treat me right. i disagree with charles krauthammer as well. brilliant mind. i don't think trump had a bad night. i think he -- if you look at the questions, i think there were eight to jeb seven to maybe marco rubio or someone else, six to donald trump and the ones that were to donald trump were fastballs. they were heat, and they were coming at him, and there's nothing wrong with that. throw fastballs at the guy who's leading i get that. but some of the questions going around, there were some curveballs, a couple of change-ups and there was time for some of the candidates to say i'm going to lean back on in this one a little bit. there was no opportunity for donald trump to lean back last night. >> yeah. harris, on that first opening question which got the debate going, i actually thought people are sick of politicians hedging and giving these answers about i don't know, i'll let you know when i decide, he was classic trump. he didn't vacillat

but i wouldn't give up on that leverage, because i think there is a war within the rnc. the ruling class is picking their pants here. this guy is a challenge to the two-party duopoly that is running the government. john: now that we have you stroking your chin and talking about urination, that brings this to a close. thank you, roger stone. we will be right back. ♪ john: when i was talking about donald trump's misstatement i made one of my own. he said there was no chevys in china, but then corrected it. mark: thanks for watching. sayonara. ♪ >> we are moments away from the closing bell. global stocks are free. the steepest drop in a month. >> what did you miss? the great devaluation. more losers than winners. what is in play? experts go head-to-head. >> who is getting a raise, who isn't?

and i think what he's telling the rnc is a threat. okay, i'll commit, but you better be nice to me. fox news better be nice to me. everybody better be nice to me. and i bet it will work. >> trump looking for a poll boost. he leads nationally by the way in the latest cnn poll, he polls at 24%, leading bush by 11. in he's eight point out of dr. ben carson. in new hampshire, a recent bowl by the boston herald had him 18 points ahead of jeb bush. a new poll has him soaring up to 30%, 15 points ahead of ben carson. i have to think that what's happening to this guy, he's realized, he once told me, and it wasn't off the record, he wasn't going into this thing to commit suicide. he was going to test the waters, but he was ready to pull out if it wasn't working. well, it is working. whatever you say about his rationality, there's no evidence the guys are up to the task. he thinks faster, he adjusts, when he knew he overstepped his bounds with the fellow from univision. when he made him look like the troll out there. he said, wait a minute, on his feet, he goes, let him back in here, we'll ha

incidentally also the site of the rnc convention july 2016. last thoughts chris. >> well i think one of the points you made is absolutely essential. and that is yes there's the primetime debate the earlier debate. but this is still what almost seven, eight months before people actually start voting in iowa. so this is an opportunity, these two debates, so or the out this enormous field of 17. and i agree with you. some of the people in the top tier will fall back into the second tier. and some of the people in the second tier will come forward. and people -- we don't want to make it the donald trump show but it is. everybody is fascinated that he is the frontrunner for the nomination now. as opposed to these other most of them career politicians except for ben carson and carly fiorina, we just don't quite know how donald trump, will he be the bombastic reality show star? or will he because he's now got a lead to protect, be a more conventional politician? we'll see on thursday night. >> meghan we'll see you tonight at 9:00 p.m. for "the kelly

. >> the only thing that could push them out is the republican establishment and the rnc doing something and actually forcing him out. if that is the case, i'm voting for trump as an independent and that will teach the republicans a lesson. john: for those of you who would never -- who would not support trump as an independent? >> ross perot. i don't think we are ready as a country for the three party thing. the percentages are too much on the democrat and republican that i think it would screw everything up. john: you think it would help elect a democrat? >> absolutely. >> it would fragment -- >> we don't get these third-party candidates and i think it would be good for the country. >> in new hampshire, we have the libertarian party and they have a few good candidates. the whole system is not big enough to allow them to get any traction. >> if we get 5% of the popular vote for a third party, they become federally recognized and they have to be on the ballot in the state. >> too scary for next year, though. >> we are hoping for the future. >> it would be awesome one day, but we cannot. w

big contrast to what rnc is doing in their -- >> we're democrats. we debate in our sleep. that's what we do. point donald trump is correct, he wants to lower the bar. he loyering the bar so in terms of campaign you have mike huckabee trying to match him with rhetoric, saying he will bring federal troops to block women from making their own reproductive choices. ted cruz doing a commercial with bacon wrapped around a machine gun, cooking bacon that way making a point about firearms. rand paul has meat axe to go through a tax code. like infomercial for anger management therapy. trish: doesn't really work though, right? because what trump is bringing to the table is authenticity. when the other guys try and pull so-called stunts, it doesn't really resonate. >> this is where it fails -- trish: they see it as a stunt. >> the least authentic candidate running for president of the united states is hillary clinton. >> here we go. >> washington inside ir, part of the problem for years. has really hard time connecting with people -- >> why is she beating all your candidates in the p

and the network and rnc have gone along with it. people are concerned that the media is now saying, we're going to decide, cull the field. we're going to decide who the top candidates are. >> almost certainly relegated to the kiddy table. and rick perry, edged out by governors christie and -- and kasich by a little more than a percentage point and if that sounds arbitrary and unscientific, there say major polling firm that agrees with you. they descended to suspended republican polling system since the fox news system asks to have a precision that ignores the margin of error. in order a difference of a percentage point of two is effectively meaningless and yet, being used to decide who makes the stage. as for the debate itself, we may have got a preview when the self-funding trump lashed out at the candidates organized by the koch brothers tweeting those who had gone to quote beg for money from the koch's may be the wealthy brother's pup eppes. he said he won't be willing to attack but would be prepared to counter punch. >> i certai

i know the rnc is apoplectic at this point. they know what happens come september, poeflt labor day. you are three-and-a-half, four months away from iowa and those other candidates need to begin momentum and it's just not happening. >> yes. rick perry today, you know, announcing they're fought paying their south carolina stance -- south carolina staff. rick perry is multi-term governor of one of the biggest states in the union. >> yes. >> he was someone that obviously flamed out in 2012. people thought he would have another relaunch. here he is struggling to fund his campaign. as you said donald trump breaking every rule. the thing i got to think about here is, this 47% of the electorate. you talk about carson, cruz and trump in that polling. >> yep. >> that's where the center of gravity is in the republican primary. now that doesn't mean it's all republicans, it doesn't mean it's all republican mimary voters. it may ultimately be a minority of them if you have say two candidates one-on-one. but that is right now where all the

i was the fair haired boy in the rnc. i was the fair haired boy with the governors things. i gave $350,000 last year to the republican governors and you don't even get thank you anymore. that is how crazy it is. but i think when i get up and sbeek speak we get the biggest crowd. we get standing ovations and all we do is talk about how great our country can be. and i mean that. if it continues though go at this path it is going to be almost impossible to bring it back. >> chris christie will also most likely make the debate cut. earlier he was asked how he would handle trump. >> i think with ten candidates in the debate on thursday night, the right thing to to is to talk about your ideas and what you want to put forward as a plan for america's future. and those are the things you need to talk about. and i think focusing on any one particular candidate doesn't make any sense. >> everybody's been sitting around for a month and a half scratching their heads trying to figure out why donald trump is doing as well as he is. why is he governor? you know politics. whereas your gut o

. >> the only thing that could push him out is the republican establishment and the rnc doing something and actually forcing him out. if that is the case, i'm voting for trump as an independent and that will teach the republicans a lesson. john: for those of you who would never -- who would not support trump as an independent? >> ross perot. i don't think we are ready as a country for the three party thing. i think it would screw everything up. john: you think it would help elect a democrat? >> absolutely. >> it would fragment -- >> we don't get these third-party candidates and i think it would be good for the country. >> in new hampshire, we have the libertarian party and they have a few good candidates. the whole system is not big enough to allow them to get any traction. >> if we get 5% of the popular vote for a third party, they become federally recognized and they have to be on the ballot in every state. >> too scary for next year, though. >> we are hoping for the future. >> it would be awesome one day but we cannot. we just can't. john: this next clip is about why new hampshire vo

and i feel for reince priebus, my counterpart at the rnc, because the reason that he initially wanted to shrink the number of debates is so that he could reduce the exposure that the american people have to the extremism that was on full display by the republican candidates for president tonight. >> donald trump's comments to megyn kelly about -- when she asked him about some of his past comments about women, is that something you think is going to be used by -- by hillary clinton, by the dnc against republicans? >> i mean, absolutely. the misogyny that was on full display, that not a single one of the other republican candidates for president criticized or called donald trump on or, you know, any one of the other comments that they made that were troubling to women, the fact that they want to roll back women's access to health care, the fact that they aren't for equal pay for equal work, they're not for focusing on making sure that everybody has an opportunity to reach the middle class. those are all issues important to women. and layer on top of that the misogyny that none of them c

and i think what he's telling the rnc is a threat. okay, i'll commit, but you better be nice to me. fox news better be nice to me. everybody better be nice to me. and i bet it will work. >> trump looking for a poll boost. he leads nationally by the way in the latest cnn poll, he polls at 24%, leading bush by 11. in he's eight point out of dr. ben carson. in new hampshire, a recent bowl by the boston herald had him 18 points ahead of jeb bush. a new poll has him soaring up to 30%, 15 points ahead of ben carson. i have to think that what's happening to this guy, he's realized, he once told me, and it wasn't off the record, he wasn't going into this thing to commit suicide. he was going to test the waters, but he was ready to pull out if it wasn't working. well, it is working. whatever you say about his ration rationalality, there's no evidence the guys are up to the task. he thinks faster, he adjusts, when he knew he overstepped his bounds with the fellow from univision. when he made him look like the troll out there. he said, wait a minute, on his feet, he goes, let him back in here,