there were gaps, differences in what hillary clinton had produced and what sidney blumenthal had produced. it caused people to say wait a second you haven't been honest with us. because there are missing e-mails, there are edits to the e-mails. and i think the clintons have learned a lesson from that and are in all likelihood producing things in a manner that's far more coordinated than they did with sidney blumenthal with the production of ooma abadina e-mails and others. >> her assistant and her former chief of staff. this investigation is going to continue, david. it's going to drag on. and this is a drag, you think, on the clinton campaign? >> i think so. just logically, just people out there, how can they really believe it hillary did not send any type of classified data, that she was that careful? she's human. just by the logical -- forget the legal stuff. just the logical regular joe smell test. you had all your e-mail on a private server as secretary of state, the nation's chief diplomat, and you never mistakenly even sent something that was top secret? i think that's the problem.

sidney blumenthal when he was asked to hand over e-mails these went from hillary to sidney and back again, they did not end up into the state department and definitely had to do with work life. >> sidney blumenthal was persona non grata with the obama administration. the fact of matter is she shouldn't had a whiff of anything that had to do with official business. >> not only had anything to do with official government business, but libya and trey gowdy's committee in congress is trying to unearth and find information about. so, and also she asked to take it face value, the fact she only scrubbed clean all the personal e-mails. how do we know? we don't know. had she turn over server on day one before they used ammonia on it. >> we don't trust hillary. here's the thing kirsten, you mentioned trey gowdy, i don't think it's going to go away, it's dogging her, hurting her numbers and again she seemed extraordinarily testy here, but i think she's in too deep to change her strategy? >> that's exactly the point we're talking about here is trust. and that is essential to getting the nomination an

i didn't advise her to have her own server or to rely on sidney blumenthal as her primary adviser on libya. i didn't advise her to keep her public records for 20 months after she separated from service and not turn them over to the department of state. i didn't advise her to say the record is complete and we find 15 e-mails where they weren't and i didn't advise her to say there's to classified information on the server when we know now that there was classified information on the server. so i get they're frustrated. i get they're disappointed her polling numbers are almost adds low as congress's but they need to look no further than her. they don't need to blame the republicans in the house. we're doing what we were supposed to do and i hasten to add, those other committees that looked at benghazi, not a single damn one of them figured out she had this e-mail arrangement with herself. so those investigations must not have been as thorough as we were led to believe. >> are you casting doubt on the findings, then? the other committees that found no issue with benghazi or certainly no

blumenthal. and she is telling us if i haven't handed over all of my e-mails don't worry. that is not necessarily true which is why it is so imperative to get the e-mails from the aids. this story will continue to have legs. and the common theme as we have over, and over heard assurance from hillary clinton about the system and her practices that haven't proven out. >> one of the things the state department continues to say is because they have labelled some of the e-mails as classified it takes time to turn it over. >> the state department has clearly had very little interest in pursuing this matter from the beginning. thank goodness the judge has his teeth into it and is pushing things along. hillary in the first press conference said don't worry i didn't send classified information and now it is turning out she did. this is in the context of an administration that came down hammer down on lower level people who have carelessly handled classified information. it goes once again to the rules not

just want the viewers to pause for a moment and think about, if a hacker can get into sidney blumenthal's e-mail and from their move into mrs. clinton's e-mail, we should think about what the national intelligence services of russia and communist china would do. with a level of sophistication and technology than i would guess are light years beyond what an individual hacker would have. mrs. clinton says that all of her official state department business is conducted over this outlaw server. the outside persons would not only be up to find it but hackett, penetrate it. this is a very grave security issue. if one hacker in romania can do it, what are the chinese and russian intelligence services doing? .ost: two quick follow-ups first of all, her argument was she wanted a standalone device. host: that made -- guest: that may be what she is representing now, but i can tell you that she was also using an ipad and wanted to use an ipod -- ipad. they were asked to certify her use of an ipad and a repeatedly told her no, that the device was not secure. for my understanding she went ahead and use

remember those 15 e-mails that sidney blumenthal that she didn't turn over to the state department. we know for a fact that she did not turn all over records all documents to the state department. how she can represent that to a federal judge under oath is something that that judge will ask her. >> you obviously think she's lying? >> i don't use the word lie, i used the word false. i can just tell you, that we found 15 documents that should have been produced to the state department that she did not produce to the state department. that's one of the five explanations she's given with respect to her e-mail arrangement that has also proven to be false. whether she's terribly mistake an lot, i'm not smart enough to answer that question. i can just tell you this, she's wrong. >> thank you, chairman gowdy. >>> we turn to senator mccaskill, a clinton supporter. i would like your reaction to what mr. gowdy said. >> she's the only one that has turned over tens upon thousands of her e-mails and asked them to become public. now, she's turned over her server, what has this turned into? a good

remember those 15 e-mails that sidney blumenthal gave our committee that she didn't turn over to the state department. all related to her public records. so, we know for a fact that she did not turn all over records all documents to the state department. how she can represent that to a federal judge under oath is something that i suspect that judge will ask her. >> and you obviously think she's lying? >> well, i don't use the word lie i just tell you it's false. and i can just tell you, that we found 15 documents that should have been produced to the state department that she did not produce to the state department. but that's just one of the five explanations she's given with respect to her e-mail arrangement that has also proven to be false. whether she's terribly mistaken a lot, or whether there's an intent to deceive, i'm not smart enough to answer that question. i can just tell you this, she's wrong. >> thank you, chairman gowdy. >>> we turn to senator claire mccaskill, a clinton supporter. i would like your reaction to what mr. gowdy said. >> secretary of state clinton wasn't t

now we know that sidney blumenthal sent her 50 e-mails, not in the batch she turned over. never passed classified information on the server now we know there's not true. there is criminal investigation, let the professionals do that but she is in charge of benghazi where four americans died. she was in charge of their security. she failed miserably before, during and after. what i can't believe is they're not one e-mail from hillary clinton or to hillary clinton about the attack on september the 11 or week after. if there's no e-mails about benghazi to her or from her that doesn't sound right. i want to see those. >> dickerson: senator lindsey graham thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. joining us now is one of the democrats challenging hillary clinton for the nomination. former maryland governor, martin o'malley. i want to pick up, let's play something she said i want to get your reaction. >> by the way, you may have seen that i recently launched a snap chat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> dickerson: so, is this fun

more e-mails from sidney blumenthal i think is going to play into the narrative. there is not a lot people can seize upon about the job she did or being somehow making so it she's not going to be a good candidate for president. there is not a lot of that groundbreaking stuff. >> all of the talk about transparency issues around not putting e-mails out in the first place, the fact she puts out her tax returns, you think that will soften that t criticism. [ >> not in the least. were i think everyone admits that a lot of the criticism around how hillary clinton is operating is based solely on the fact a lot of people don't want her to be president. the fact that there are redactions in these, the fact that she is the one who turned over the e-mails and the state department didn't have control, for any one who wants to see they are going to be able to see a conspiracy. released tax returns which jeb bush has done which others are expected to do that is not going to soften the allegation she is being secretive in what she's doing. >> let's switch gears a bit. as hillary

in spite of photos showing her using her blackberry on the way to libya, and when hillary's friend sidney blumenthal is forced to comply with his subpoena he produces several benghazi-related e-mails with hillary putting truth to the lie that she had none. hillary now in panic mode. she with her aides go through more than 61,000 e-mails deleting 31,000 she says are personal, and of the 30,000 that she hands over she says there is no classified information in them. >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material, so i'm certainly well aware of the classification requirements. >> well, the inspector general says in a sampling of just 40 e-mails four contained classified information. her defense. they weren't marked classified. nothing to see here, folks. move along. the truth. they couldn't be marked classified because by not using government servers she actually prevented the government from reviewing her e-mails. had she done so they would have seen material that was classified and she would not have been able to hit the send button. did

blumenthal e-mails were unsolicited and later find out it was. for telling us the public record was complete and then find over 15 e-mails where she never turned over. i get that she's frustrated. some engage in a little bit of self-reflection, and sometimes they lash out and blame non-existent right wing conspiracies and she's chosen to do the latter. >> let me ask you about the nonexistent conspiracy. i want to show you awe clip from a video that house speaker john boehner, republican house speaker john boehner put out about your investigation. >> if hillary clinton wants the benghazi committee to finish their work, she could help them by turning over all of her e-mails, sooner rather than later. >> we're not going away until we get it, it's really important. >> congressman gowdy, it looks, it sure looks like a negative campaign commercial. >> well, i haven't seen it. i can tell you this, chris, we have interviewed three dozen witnesses, not a single one has been named clinton, she hasn't been called before the committee yet. once she comes bef

remember those 15 e-mails that sidney blumenthal gave our committee that she didn't turn over to the state department. all 15 of those related to her public record. so, we know for a fact that she did not turn all over records all documents to the state department. how she can represent that to a federal judge under oath is something that i suspect that judge will ask her. >> and you obviously think she's lying? >> well, i don't use the word lie i just tell you it's false. and i can just tell you, that we found 15 documents that should have been produced to the state department that she did not produce to the state department. but that's just one of the five explanations she's given with respect to her e-mail arrangement that has also proven to be false. whether she's terribly mistaken a lot, or whether there's an intent to deceive, i'm not smart enough to answer that question. i can just tell you this, she's wrong. >> thank you, chairman gowdy. >>> we turn to senator claire mccaskill of missouri, a clinton supporter. i would like your reaction to what mr. gowdy said. >> secretary of

another fact is sidney blumenthal, there are e-mails in his possession, the exchange back and forth, and they can not be found on under hillary clinton. so for her to come out and scribijoke she is on snap chat because that information doesn't stick around is outrageous and just downright wrong for her to be acting in that manner when we are talking about a lack of accountability, a lack of trust -- >> how is this going with trey gowdy? >> putting trey gowdy aside. in all of the investigations, including the fbi, it doesn't mean her personally. there are answers about the e-mails themselves but that is not going to the point of criminality and i think that is a key issue here. as i said, no one name her personally, criminally in any of these e-mails. >> thanks to you both. we will see you next time and good to have you. >>> what are you working on, jenna lee? >> poll numbers on the 2016 race and one of the our guests says ben carson is the man to watch. and hillary clinton's e-mail situation is escalating as we determine there are more classified e-mails. we will have a great panel o

we would not have found out if sidney blumenthal's e-mails were not given. after a year long investigation or longer in the benghazi investigation, she never told anybody about her personal e-mail. it took the blumenthal investigation and exposure to expose the fact she had 32,000 handed over and 33,000 wiped out that were not going to be in front of the benghazi committee. >> that all happening because ed henry asked for precision. he's going to join us the next hour. can't wait to speak to him. >> all they talked about was nevada and how she's in line to get hit because of demographics. >> makes sense. ed henry was out there asking hard questions. meanwhile, donald trump is out today. i think he has an event planned for alabama. he was on with bill o'reilly. he wanted to ask about his immigration plan. the one rests on the 14th amendment where if the child is born in this country they're automatic citizen in the united states. if you deport everyone, what happens to those citizens? here's o'reilly and trump. >> i think you're wrong about the 14th amendment

just want the viewers to pause for a moment and think about, if a hacker can get into sidney blumenthal's e-mail and from their move into mrs. clinton's e-mail, we should think about what the national intelligence services of russia and communist china would do. with a level of sophistication and technology than i would guess are light years beyond what an individual hacker would have. mrs. clinton says that all of her official state department business is conducted over this outlaw server. the outside persons would not only be up to find it but hackett, penetrate it. this is a very grave security issue. if one hacker in romania can do it, what are the chinese and russian intelligence services doing? .ost: two quick follow-ups first of all, her argument was she wanted a standalone device. host: that made -- guest: that may be what she is representing now, but i can tell you that she was also using an ipad and wanted to use an ipod -- ipad. they were asked to certify her use of an ipad and a repeatedly told her no, that the device was not secure. for my understanding she went ahead and use