-- advisory board of the nsa. he wrote a secret paper, it's been declassified, you can look it up, but he said he's the problem -- here's the problem: once you create a computer network, once you have access from multiple unsecure locations, you're not going to be able to keep secrets anymore. and so when i was doing my research, i talked with this man named steve lieu kasich who was the deputy director of arpa, and i said, did you read ware's paper? oh, yeah, sure. what did you think of it? i took it to the guys on the team, and i got the story confirmed by a couple of guys on the team, and they said, oh, jesus, don't saddle us with a security requirement too. look how hard it was to do this. it's like asking the wright brothers if their first plane has to fly 20 miles carrying 50 passengers. just let's do this one step at a time. and besides, the russians aren't going to be able to do this for decades. well, it was decades, two and a half, three decades, but by that time whole systems and networks had grown up w

joe: he was the head of the nsa. he was a 3-star head of the nsa who bush later appoints to be 4-stars and runs the cia. so when that request came, i was a little bit surprised. it didn't sound right to me, as a matter of fact, it sounded very wrong to me. sharyl: what was the request? joe: well, it was a request to do something that, under the law, i didn't believe the foreign intelligence agencies, particularly nsa, had, were authorized to do unless they had a fisa warrant. sharyl: a fisa warrants would come from the secretive foreign intelligence surveillance court and would authorize the nsa to do something that was otherwise illegal for it to do -- collect data in the u.s. and you can't say exactly what they asked you. joe: no, that remains classified. something was asked. i asked if they had a fisa warrant. they said it wasn't required. i thought that was pretty strange. sharyl: if there was no warrant, he says he asked if the white house had given executive authority for the project. joe: they said that they -

joe: he was the head of the nsa. he was a 3-star head of the nsa who bush later appoints to be 4-stars and runs the cia. so when that request came, i was it didn' t sound right to me, as a matter of fact, it sounded very wrong to me. sharyl: what was the request? joe: well, it was a request to do something that, under the t believe the foreign intelligence agencies, particularly nsa, had, were authorized to do unless they had a fisa warrant. sharyl: a fisa warrants would come from the secretive foreign intelligence surveillance court and would authorize the nsa to do something that was otherwise illegal for it to do -- collect data in the u.s. and you can' t say exactly what they asked you. joe: no, that remains classified. something was asked. i asked if they had a fisa warrant. they said it wasn' t required. i thought that was pretty strange. sharyl: if there was no warrant, he says he asked if the white house had given executive wasn' t required. sharyl: this was under president bush. joe: yes, this was under pres

it's one of the days on the nsa side nsa 21, the large restructuring we are going through because we said to ourselves that the future is about the power of integration and the ships and how do we create the structure and ethos that helps to enable that and make it easier? i believe we have got to have relationships in the private sector to help generate the technical insights that we need but alsoe our mission, for things as simple as, we are competing for the same workforce. i'm interested in getting insights from industry counterparts what works for you? how do you recruit and retain people? how do you train them and keep them adapted to a world that keeps changing that has not traditionally been the government model? soonie: you have to i compete with huge financial report -- reward by offering the opportunity to serve your country which would be a compelling incentive. >> we are very fortunate. if you look at the nsa, our attention and 2015 was a most they say you only loss 4% of your workforce last year and i said yeah because our model has traditionally been when you join the

it's one of the days on the nsa side nsa 21, the large restructuring we are going through because we said to ourselves that the future is about the power of integration and the ships and how do we create the structure and ethos that helps to enable that and make it easier? i believe we have got to have relationships in the private sector to help generate the technical insights that we need to execute our mission, but also for things as simple as, we are competing for the same workforce. i'm interested in getting insights from industry counterparts what works for you? how do you recruit and retain people? how do you train them and keep them adapted to a world that keeps changing that has not traditionally been the government model? charlie: you have to i soon compete with huge financial reward by offering the opportunity to serve your country which would be a compelling incentive. >> we are very fortunate. if you look at the nsa, our attention and 2015 was a most 96% they say you only loss 4% of your workforce last year and i said yeah because our model has traditionally been when you

as former director of nsa and i think the longest serving director of nsa. >> at that time. >> at that time. and then i think your successor beat you out by a year or so. and then, as the principal deputy of the newly stood up in 2005 director of national intelligence, bringing that breadth of experience from the intelligence community to that new office that was created under the intelligence reform in terrorism prevention act of 2004, went on after one year there to head up the cia and i could think of no one more qualified to make that transition from nsa, odni and then to cia. in his spare time since leaving cia, in early 2009, he has dedicated himself to speaking and writing and is one of, as i said, one of the great stalwarts of intelligence that we have. it's a real privilege to have mike to my immediate left. ben powell, once removed there, is someone -- you know that you have a lawyer at the other end when your bio is four pages long. very distinguished lawyers with wilmer hale now. but goes back to our life together in the national security council staff in the mid-2000s, ear

the nsa had no interest in securing these channels. they were interested at that time purely in exploiting security gaps, not in filling them. so for about a decade, nothing was done about problem. and i won't go any further. i just want -- it's just supposed to be a little introduction. the point is that these two incidents, you know, willis ware writing this paper, "the dawn of the internet," and the extremely unlikely coincidence of ronald reagan watching "war games" and asking a question that had everybody in the room rolling their eyeballs like, oh, christ, where is the old man going now, led to the systems, the programs and more than that, the issues, the policies and the controversies and the tensions that persist to this very day. one more little thing about the "war games" connection before i go back down and sit down and we have a conversation. this is something that i discovered almost by accident. it turned out that the two writers of "war games," you probably have all -- i'm assuming that you've all seen or remember "war g

the nsa got into microsoft's stuff. it and would look at say, the first windows program had 1500 points of vulnerability. the nsa helped microsoft clean those up, except leaving a few doors open they could get into. this has been going on for a long time. the fbi and nsa are worried these days might be coming to an end. emily: i will ask you the question i asked the attorney general. ground, a middle because apple says there isn't. is there a middle ground that will appease both sides? fred: i don't know about appeasing. i've been talking to a lot of people about this. in this instance, i'm convinced the fbi is right. they can do something that allows them to get into this phone that does not require rewriting of an operating system . it does not require doing anything. emily: but then they can't get into every phone? fred: i don't think so. emily: you think apple is lying? but: they are not lying, they are saying this could create a precedent and i think that is true. emily: there are 12 other cases we are talking abou

and nsa and fbi with their counterparts. since they were the initial collectors of the information they understood who to share it with, what the rules would apply to the sharing of information. that said, we had strong relationships with japan and particularly countries in europe and elsewhere in asia on the counterterrorism efforts. so what we were often sharing was analytic products. we would analyze the information that was collected and we had a rigorous way of sharing that information. with other countries including japan. >> hopefully the counterterrorism center, the information to and to office defense -- [ inaudible ] >> to japanese cabinet secretary office. but my perception that route is very -- continue. then c.i.a. or fbi, each cooperate with the japanese national police or other kind of agency in japan. >> right. thank you. i think -- i mean it's a good perception that sometimes coordination is not as, as well directed as it might be. >> thank you, dorisiz izeisen, typical housewife. as i listen to this, i don'

the former head of the nsa weighs in on apple versus the fbi. general keith alexander does not buy apples argument. and the biggest security conference of the world kicks off here in san francisco. we talked to the symantec ceo on cyber threats. a victory for apple in a separate but related privacy battle moving to a court in brooklyn, with the judge ruling that the techtarget does not have to help the government unlocked and alleged terrorist iphone. i want to get to our editor for legal coverage to have the latest in new york. first of all, what exactly happened? >> it is the first judge to exhaustively look at this issue. they said the demands were excessive by the government, and has now said this can be to lunch. this will not have a direct on the california terrorism case that will be in the public domain and will influence thinking about it in the higher court where these issues are likely to go forward. emily: how is this case similar and different to the california case? >> we are trying to decide how much security is essential, and doe

the joke used to be nsa stood for no such agency. even when the bomb went off in 1945 certain things about that were classified but the general working affects were well understood and from the very beginning you had civilian strategists thinking about what does it mean? how does this affect war? what does deterrence mean in this context? can we use these weapons in a war? people who were not wrapped up in classified things with the military were thinking about this and having influence. cyber, until very recently, you had to have fbi clearance to even know about a lot of things going on. there is nobody who can think about this who is in a position to think about it seriously. the title of this book, "dark territory: the secret history of cyber war" , where the title comes from is a pretty good story. when i write my book i know the title will emerge from my notes. it never does. and colleagues -- thinking we need to get together with other major cyberpowers and figure out some rules of the road. what kind of targets we can't attack

nsa was horribly backloaded by the snowden stuff. i'm very disappointed that the administration particularly didn't explain things more quickly, more completely. just a better. one of the reasons in sa was backloaded on the to 15 program, the metadata stuff, your phone bills, is that this thing up in a provide two presidents. and then legislate by congress. it was a military oversight committee frankly we will worth a strong supporter of the program and overseen by the fisa court. the wan one i used in the book s hell, that's the madisonian trifecta. check, check, check. whippet ago. that is the solution. you've got all those. what happened was when the program became public a is a lot of her countrymen and all of them on the wingnut population, a lot of solid citizens said i'm not so sure that constitutes consent of the government anymore. that maybe consent of the governor's. you told them but you didn't tell me. so now we really do have a challenge, how does my old community tell you, the big u., enough about what it is we are doi

the fbi doesn't need the nsa. one of the methods is actually to copy the content of the phone so when the iphone erases all the data, they have another ship that works as a file backup -- another chip that works as a file backup. it only cost $60 and is used to upgrade the phone. on the software side, experts say the fbi should find and exploit crack's in software. there are flaws found in apple stuff all the time. what the fbi can do, it needs to find the vulnerability and get the data. experts are saying these methods aren't easy. they say the fbi isn't probably trying, because this case is about setting a precedent. emily: the fbi is in trying? think there are four easy ways to get into this phone. paul: the fbi can look for software bugs, they can look for channel attacks, look at radio emissions from the device and figure out information you they can figure out glitch attacks and cause it to load an unsigned operating system version by bypassing signature checks. or maybe they can pull information out. to do

the fbi doesn't need the nsa. actuallye methods is to copy the content of the phone so when the iphone erases all the data, they have another ship that works as a file backup -- that works as a file backup. toonly cost $60 and is used upgrade the phone. on the software side, experts say the fbi should find and exploit crack's in software. there are flaws found in apple stuff all the time. what the fbi can do, it needs to find the vulnerability and get the data. experts are saying these methods aren't easy. isn't probablyi trying, because this case is about setting a precedent. emily: the fbi is in trying? think there are four easy ways to get into this phone. paul: the fbi can look for software bugs, they can look for channel attacks, look at radio emissions from the device and figure out information you they can figure out glitch attacks an unsigned to load operating system version by bypassing signature checks. or maybe they can pull information out. to do those you have to invest an effort and the issue isn't t

law enforcement officials at the ei and nsa. -- the cia and nsa. and joining us is a mentor packet. thank you for joining us. as someone who worked at the cia, the pentagon and the department of state, do you agree these attacks expose the limitations of law enforcement efforts in a european capital that was already on high alert for terror? guest: thank you for the question. i think there's always limitations and always lessons to be learned in a kind of attack or any occurrence like this or any tragedy like this. on the other hand, there are opportunities to figure out ways to prevent the next attack and that we can work closely together. we have improved our coordination internally and our ability to deal with these sorts of attacks. we have stepped up our efforts to work with our allies as well. we murder -- we work more closely with the europeans and we have in the past but more needs to be done. we have to hope the europeans in general and belgians in particular can reach out. we have the best experts going and i think making better use of that and coordinating better is somet

the fbi needs to take a page from the nsa. you may recall in the late 1990s, nsa complained it was going deaf from encrypted calls. obviously they've improved their technology a great deal. according to mike mcconnell, they had better than any time in history. we need law enforcement to develop 21st century capabilities for conducting electronic surveillance. they already have excellent people and expertise but fbi investment and capacity is not at the scale and level necessary. rather than asking industry to weaken protections, law enforcement must instead develop the capability for developing sophisticated investigations themselves. congress can help. the fbi needs an investigative center with agents with deep, technical understanding of telecommunications technology and also, because all phones are computer, modern computer -- deep expert in computer science. teams of researchers, who will understand various types of devices. they'll need to know where technology is, where it will be in six months or two to five years, comm

i notice you make an effective case for the arsenal of tools that have been at the disposal of the nsa and cia since this war on radical islam began. donald trump is making a similar argument he wants to make sure you've got the tools going forward. >> no, there are some things he suggests that i could support in a modest form. i think our forces are a bit over regulated and tolerance for collateral damage is far too low when we talk about striking isis. he's not talking about that, might michael. he's talking about targeting the innocent. the title of the book is playing the edge and you're right, michael. it's a pretty broad discussion of how i think we have to use the space but implicit in the title is that there are edges that there are points beyond which we should not go. not just because it's not ethical or illegal. >> one thing he brought up is water boarding and there is a segment in the book where you speak about having personally interacted with the individual who interrogated moe hohammed a sleep deprivation pushed him into what investigators called a zone of cooperation fr

stimson: let us which focus slightly to the nsa. what is the role of the nsa from the perspective of the national security advisor? you have two functions, one is the honest broker function. you are running in interagency process and bringing matters to the president for decision in this open and transparent way. once the decision is made, you need to major that it is actually being executed. that is your honest broker role. put that aside, you are also an advisor and counselor for the president. tricky role. because you have to balance that with your requirements to run a transparent process in which everyone is participating. in my own caset is the following. i would never express my views in a large meeting. when the nsc meetings would express aould not substantive view. i would sit in those meetings in such a way that i could watch everyone and watch the president's interaction with everyone. my job was to make sure the that that meeting produced all of the information that the president needed and so he got a good view of the v

law enforcement officials at the ei and nsa. -- the cia and nsa. is a mentorus packet. thank you for joining us. worked at the cia, the pentagon and the department of state, do you agree these attacks expose the limitations of law enforcement efforts in a european capital that was already on high alert for terror? for thehank you question. i think there's always limitations and always lessons to be learned in a kind of attack or any occurrence like this or any tragedy like this. arehe other hand, there opportunities to figure out ways to prevent the next attack and that we can work closely together. we have improved our coordination internally and our ability to deal with these sorts of attacks. our effortsped up to work with our allies as well. we murder -- we work more closely with the europeans and we have in the past but more needs to be done. hope the europeans in general and belgians in .articular can reach out we have the best experts going and i think making better use of that an coordinating better is something that needs to be done. ascan look at this somethin

footedeason nsa was back was that this thing was approved by two presidents. well known to the oversight committees, who were frankly the strongest supporters of the program. the one i use in the book is that is the madisonian trifecta. that is the church pike solution. what happened when the program became public, not all of them on the wingnut population. constitutesthat consent of the governed anymore. that may be consent of the governors. now we really do have a challenge. how does my old community tell you enough about what we are have thet we at least implied sanction? telling us so much it is not worth doing. that is the question we raised. my answer is we need to be more transparent. then i say don't pretend that is not going to make us, that is not going to shave points off of our effectiveness. asked mike and leiter. need to be translucent. which is not bad. shapes, ithe broad concede broad movements, i cannot see the fine print. i think what we are trying to find is that sweet translucent spot. where most americans say i have a pretty good idea what

one of them, again this is covered thoroughly in the book, nsa was horribly back footed by this note in stuff. -- by theisappointed edward snowden stuff. y am disappointed that the did not explain things better. a one reason nsa was back footed was that this thing was approved was that this thing was approved by two presidents. it was well known to the oversight committees who work frank with a stronger supporters of the program. the one i use in the book is that the madisonian trifecta, that is the church pike solution. what happened when the program became public, not all of them on the wing that population, a lot of solid citizen said that i'm not sure that constitutes consent of the governed anymore. that may be consent of the governors. so now we really do have a challenge, how does mile you,nity tell you, the big a not for about what it is that we are doing that we at least have your implied sanction? much thatlling you so it is not worth doing. and that is the question you raised, and my way of rephrasing it. that is the challenge we now have. my answer is we need to be more t

have testimony from the nsa and other security agencies. testimony from experts who work in the private sector and testimony from law enforcement. let's have a debate. director comey has asked for the debate. the ceo of apple has asked for that debate. let's have the discussion we will see where it takes us. emily: when i spoke to attorney general i -- loretta lynch she shot down the argument that it violates the first and that the minute. she says apple is not a target, we are not alleging they have done anything wrong. >> apple has first amendment rights whether it is accused of doing something wrong or not. you're right that apple has done nothing wrong. director comey says that apple has been very helpful in this and every investigation. apple has a responsibility. it is being asked to communicate with iphones all around the world -- that is a first amendment right. i'm surprised at the attorney general that's he would should -- that she would suggest only people accused of doing wrong have first amendment rights. have a first amendment

once we were able to shine a light on the cooperation between silicon valley and the nsa as a result of edward snowden, there was a huge cost to these companies, which was that people around the world would be unwilling to use their services and would instead move to south korean or germrman or brazilian social media companies that protected their privacy. and so these companies needed to say, "we are willing now to protect your privacy by putting encryption products into our products that will not let the government invade your communications and see what you're doing." and there is now a serious wedge between the u.s. government, on the one hand, and silicon valley, on the other -- not because these companies suddenly care about privacy. they don't care about privacy at all. it's because they perceive it as being within their self-interest to demonstrate a commitment to privacy. and that has created a real difficulty for the nsa and for its allied agencies around the world to be able to intrude into people's private communications. the other interesting aspect of this is that in th

once we were able to shine a light on the cooperation between silicon valley and the nsa as a result of edward snowden, there was a huge cost to these companies, which was that people around the world would be unwilling to use their services and would instead move to south korean or german or brazilian social media companies that protected their privacy. and so these companies needed to say, "we are willing now to protect your privacy by putting encryption products into our products that will not let the government invade your communications and see what you're doing." and there is now a serious wedge between the u.s. government, on the one hand, and silicon valley, on the other -- not because these companies suddenly care about privacy. they don't care abprivacy at all. 's bec teit beinwithin their self-interest to demonstrate a commitment to privacy. and that has created a real difficulty for the nsa and for its allied agencies around the world to be able to intrude into people's private communications. the other interesting aspect of this is that in the 1990's after the timothy mc

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about the head of the nsa. the nsa could do this if they wanted to. are there technical ways to get the information off this phone that were not -- that we are not talking about here? michelle: apple has turned over a lot of information to the government dared they gave away the icloud. they complied with the warrant that was due process. that is not what we are talking about. basically what the fbi is asking for through the court is that we want to mandate apple to create software to do something. how serious is it to say that any court could issue something to any company saying "we want you to create software to do this." that is a dangerous precedent. emily: that aside, is there another way to get the information off the phone? technically. we were told there were multiple ways to get information on the phone and if apple cannot do it who can? flaw and aecurity vulnerability has been found on the apple phone. they said it will take four weeks and six-10 engineers to get the information. it is possible. there is a security vulnerability on the phon

b, if i am still director of nsa and apple says we are not going to do this and i am agreeing the next phone call is down to omb saying encryption is getting better. i need another $5 million because i will kick my way in. that is fair game. that is different from telling apple tool build something that may make the system less secure. look, there are so many factors bearing on this and they suggested in the book. we used to do this math, mark, against encryption that was not universally available and when you do that game on. kick the door in. but fundamentally what happened now is it is against encryption we depend on. >> fbi goes to apple and says help us get in. they say no. let's assume this hack works and they can break in. apple has a security vulnerability that the government knows about. are they going to tell them? no, because they will not help them. >> do not presume that answer to the question that may be the government's preferred position for the moment but we had a debate about nsa and vulnerabilities and what they should do when they discover or create a vulnerability

could the nsa help, have they refused to help, why isn't the nsa doing anything? i thought that was an interesting point. take a listen to what he had to say in general. he does not believe there is a middle ground overall. >> there is not a middle ground that i know of, that requires apple to go to work for the government. we have a constitution. the constitution does not allow the government to construct private citizens to indent products or to change the products that they have invented in order for the government to look into the product or cause the product to do what it wants. that is a very significant thing. ted olson there. we have some important aides coming up. by tomorrow, other tech companies have to file their support, their brief in support of apple. we will be watching for who is submitting those filings. carol: emily, thank you. what to reiterate, upon city police confirming -- oklahoma city police confirming aubrey mcclendon is dead, the former ceo of chesapeake energy. we will continue to track that for you. ♪ way are bringing you some breaki

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i'll ask the head of the nsa and cia and ted cruz says claims of marital infidelity are garbage and blames donald trump and can the phrase vote for trump be considered hate speech? yes is the answer according to students that you'll meet from emory university. but first, just when you thought it couldn't get any uglier, a presidential race that has already included references to the size of a candidate's manhood, it devolved further with unsubstantiated claims of infa te infid dellty, rather than ignore it. >> let me be clear, this "national inquiry" story is garbage. complete and utter lies and a tabloid smear and a smear that's come from donald trump and his henchmen. >> trump said i have no idea whether or not the cover story of this week's news in "national inquiry" is true or not, i had nothing to do with it and have not read it, unlikelying ted cruz i do not surround myself with political hacks and henchmen. how did we get here? twitter. earlier after threatening to quote spilling the beans with something having to do with cruz' wife heidi, heidi and his own wife with the nasty headl

nsa was horribly back footed by the snowden stuff. i'm very disappointed that the administration particularly didn't explain things more quickly, more completely, just better. one of the reasons nsa was back footed on the 215, the metadata, your phone bills, is that this thing had been approved by the president. approved by two presidents. it had been no legislated by congress. it was well known to the oversight committee who are the strongest supporters of the program. overseen by the court. i say that is the madisonian trifecta. jack, we are good to go. that is the church bike solution. what happened when the program became public is a lot of our countrymen and not all of them are here on the wingnut population, a lot of solid citizen said i'm not so sure that constitutes consent of the government anymore. that may be consent of the governors. you told them, but you didn't tell me. we really do have a challenge. how does my old community tell abouteaving you, enough what it is we are doing that we have implied sanction without telli

as an intruder earlier i had a conversation about using a the nsa tools. they are loath to share because it can get into a court case bin it is exposed to so we talk with everyone who will talk with us that is the first place i suspect but there were discussions where people believe there are ways to break into the phone but i have described the fbi has not tried to develop. >> it seems we're contemplating of congress should take some action to figure out what is your program standard it sounds as if that is problematic with a substantial increase to keep pace but that is the best protection with the long-term security of the united states some returnees to be a completely different view but there needs to be some authority how you handle state in a local because that does not have the resources that is jurisdictional and also between bureaucracies but in terms of creating to use saddam much lower level to be removed from the situation in the appropriate way. >> i yield back to. >> the chair recognizes. >> i forgot when it was my turn cineaste teeeighteen

has he consulted with the nsa? the national security agency, able to help but not willing? i don't know the answer to that question. the experts at apple which designed this iphone, say there is not another way to do this except to give the government what it wants, except to redesign the system to break down its security system, which is, what, hundreds of millions of people have relied on when they bought the product to begin with. they are depending upon the security that apple built into the iphone. and the government wants to destroy that. if the government can figure out a way to get around the problem itself, without causing apple to redesign the iphone, well, that they should do something like that, and the government officials involved in this should be asked that question directly. question, iso my there a middle ground? it sounds like apple is saying there isn't. ted: there isn't a middle ground that i know of that requires apple to go to work for the government. we have a constitution, and the constitution doesn't allow the government to conscript private citize

so we'll tell you more about it. >>> a new report, the nsa denied a 2009 hillary clinton request for a smartphone saying it wasn't secure enough. we'll give you more details. >>> hedge fund titan and host of "wall street week," anthony scaramucci is with us. exclusive reaction from general david petraeus, he did the interview. he's going to be with me to talk about it next. >> i opted for convenience to use my personal e-mail account, which was allowed by the state department. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> e-mails about planning chelsea's wedding, or my mother's funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends, as well as yoga routines, family vacations. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> the server contains personal communications from my husband and me, and i believe i have met all of my responsibilities. . deirdre: there are more details emerging in the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. according to judicial watch, hillary clinton asked for a secure smartphone in 2009, but it was rejected by the nsa. one e-mail read anyone who has any appreciation

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and the nsa p -- nsc. one is that the nsc makes decisions or the nsa and cabinet officer, or that competition and conflict between the nsa and nsc is inevitable. pick up on any of those myths that you want to debunk. >> sure. i will try. you'll have to remind me because i can never remember more than two or three things at a time. in 19 -- february of 1987 we issued a report out of the tower commission which reviewed the arms for hostage activity under the reagan administration. what turned out to happen was the nsc was running on behalf of the cia intelligence operations with respect to iran. that's a very dangerous thing to do. it's not -- it's not what the nsc is supposed to do. it does not have the competence. operations get done by the military or by the intelligence community. and it was one of the things that really was at the center of that tower commission report -- do not do operations -- [ inaudible ] we talked about the national security advisor not a cabinet agency, not confirmed by the senate

nsa was well aware of according to snowden. researchers blame the weakness for the hack on the office of personnel management. >> back door was responsible for the compromise of the u.s. government. >> lynch doesn't want a back door. she just wants cooperation. >> responsive to court orders. it happens all the time every day of the week allcross america. >> but not everyone is buying it. >> privacy is the big big big thing. and once you have broken that that's the end of it. >> in san francisco jonathan bloom abc 7 news. >> women are sharing their personal stories after being inspired by a powerful oscar moment. lady gaga performance has women revealing their history of sexual abuse in the past 48 hours two women come forward actress jamie king and the bachelor's jade roper. laura talked with two women from uc berkeley on stage with lady gaga. ♪. >>reporter: it was one of the most memorable moments of the oscars and for many the most emotional. >> it was very surreal. >> uc berkeley student bircher was there on stage right be

. >> former contribution a and nsa director, general michael hayden, discussed his book, "playing to the edge," and offered his views on intelligence and national security. he talks about waterboarding, the apple iphone encryption debate and the brussels terror attacks. the american enterprise institute hosted this event. it's about an hour and a half. >> thank you. whoa, we're life. we're live. >> good afternoon, everybody. welcome to the american enterprise institute. i'm marc thiessen, a fellow here, and we're pleased to be joined today by former cia and nsa director michael hayden. with the events in europe this week, i can't think of anyone better than mike to enlighten us and put these, put everything that we're seeing on our television screens into perspective. mike, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, marc. thank you. >> so you have a new book out called "playing to the edge." what motivated you to write that book, and what does it mean. >> sure. in the forward which i actually wrote at the end, the manuscript was already done, and penguin said, so why'd you write this book,

national security, nsa as well. john mcphee, is he right, cyber war coming, are we in one right now. >> way too far when he says 90% of the population would perish. i don't know weigh's talking about exactly. he is our computer security industry and might have an interest in saying that. but it is true. look, we are -- we have infiltrated into the networks of military and critical infrastructure in many countries abroad. many countries abroad are trying to infiltrate our military, have in many cases, they're vulnerable to attacks. this has been acknowledged by the pentagon, which no longer a from it quickly. they accept that somebody's going to get in if they want to. >> reading your book, i get the point this is the new face of war, cyberwar. >> it will definitely be an important supplement to any war. in war, all of our qualitative advantage in weapons are wrapped up in things that are plugged into computers. if they hack into this, or qualitative advantage goes away. the navy is currently training its navy gators

she was denied that by the nsa. outrage over a highway, get this on church property. uber is taking a page out of the book with family plans. and stock prices at the ahead of trading. the dow jones industrial average near the lows of the morning, down about 50 points right here and the nasdaq s&p 500 also weaker. we just got readingings on initial jobless claims, the estimate 268,000 jobless claims we got 265,000, so as you can see, not a bad number. >> no, it's fine. it's on trend. you know, these numbers were trend higher and now they're back. and jobs and nfp is good, doesn't tell me anything. maria: to the campaign trail. both sides are warning about protests, if donald trump is denied the nomination, and people could riot as bernie sanders supporters are looking at a big action should trump win. stacy, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. maria: what do you think about this? moveon.org threatening a huge demonstration, biggest of the century. >> they can do it all they want shall the fact is, the people that like trump are very much like trump and they're not goi

i guess it's hard when the nsa you to is having a look be 100% resistant. how much money do you have to spend, how much of your balance sheet is exposed to the security story? you is an affair that happened in 2010, which we had -- which was revealed a last year it was the nsa and the nchq. we have detected this attack. we have countered it. they did not steal anything from us. it was a surprise during the snowden revelations that it would be the u.s. and the u.k. that would be attacking a western company. it was clear what were their motives, too. he afghane peak of t war. they were after information for afghanistan. somalia, etc. i do not think this had anything to do with the commercial space which we serve. we don't detain specific secrets. we provide security because we are getting strong -- and the e nd, the project euro information as your credit card number and your balance at the bank. they enable you to be authenticated on the telecom system. but they are not meant to be a defense system. we are not in the defense business at all. guy: congratulat

it is about the nsa getting access to all of this data. the european court of justice does not want anyone to have those mass surveillance powers across millions of innocent people. emily: alex, you mentioned, not to overgeneralize, the entire continent, i should say. i should bring in on what has been happening on a country-specific level with facebook. germany's antitrust regulator is looking into whether facebook abused market dominance by forcing users to allow the use of their data. googles sided with facebook, saying antitrust issues and privacy issue should not be mixed, perhaps an example of brewing distrust the eu regulators and u.s. tech companies. connect the dots for us. >> google and facebook have a different role from apple. they are lumps of information you can track over time. you can see what people are writing over months or years. you do not record a phone call in retrospect. emily: are eu regulators unfairly targeting facebook or is this really a privacy issue? >> it is easy to couch this as a difference between eu and

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. >> jonathan bloom was there today as the nation's nsa director and attorney general both made their cases and joins us live with a look at what happened. >> reporter: that's right. some of the biggest minds in computer security were here all week for this conference. that drew some of the biggest names from the u.s. government. the attorney general and that of the national security agency both made their case on stage to this audience of professionals who have found themselves in the spotlight. if the u.s. attorney general got a lukewarm reception, it may be that she was in enemy territory. >> absolutely i understand the attorney general's opinion. i think most of us here do not agree with her. >> reporter: at the world's largest security conference, one issue was in the spotlight. >> apple decided to make products that serve their customers. >> reporter: the fbi versus apple. >> what the fbi is asking for seems inappropriate and this debate really belongs in congress. >> reporter: the head of the nsa took the stage begging the industry to work with the government. >> we're spending