kasich, he did much better than john kasich. you had numerous people that's doing better than kasich. you ever see it. i never saw bites this big, he's pushing it in. i never saw a guy eats like this. i told my son he was watching, daddy, look. don't watch -- little bites. [ laughter ] >> he's up there and honestly, it shows such total weakness. when two long time insider politicians whether you like it or not. have to collude and get together and try to beat a guy that speaks what the people want. we want our jobs back and military strong. we want our borders because otherwise, we don't have our countries and we don't have our walls. we'll end it and bring our education locally. we'll repeal and replace the horrible obamacare which is a disaster. [ cheers ] >> we are going to save our second amendment which is under seized. >> and that's all we want, folks. no great secrets. we want to make great trade deals. we cannot have trade deals with china this year has a trade. you look at the um balanced between china and mexico and ja

john kasich said -- >> i want to hear john kasich talk about the rules, let's listen to that. >> you've been saying for a long time honestly in your belief, it's going to come down to a convention. >> senator cruz is now kind of publicly admitting that as well. he was talking about that today on the campaign trail. one of the things he has said to me in the past is he's talking about rule 40, rule 40, which was on the books at the convention back in 2012 requires a candidate to have won the majority of delegates in eight states in order to be nominated, cruz says you're not even going to be eligible to get the nomination. >> look, i can just tell you this, he spent a million dollars making stuff up about me in wisconsin. of course he's going to say that. >> are you going to change the rules? >> there are no rules. the rules will get set and you just mentioned in michigan, the committeers got set better. i think the rules will be open. and even if they're not, i'm going in there with significant delegat delegates, i don't think that's going to happen. i don't think the people are going t

john kasich is going to stay out of ted cruz's way in indiana and ted cruz will stay out of john kasich's way in oregon and new mexico. it's that simple. it's an agreement. donald trump is outraged. but the two campaigns said they committed an act of politics, plain and simple. no big deal here. and donald trump ought to stop his whining. here's a man who wrote "the art of the deal" and he's shocked at the agreement between these two campaigns. there's going to be an open convention and he's afraid because he realizes he may not get the 1,237 number walking out of that convention. if he does not have that number walking in. >> congressman, do you want ted cruz to win i want john kasich indiana. i believe firmly that john kasich is the only electable candidate in the republican field. the only one who can beat hillary clinton. ted cruz recently several weeks ago called on john kasich to drop out of the race. had john kasich dropped out of the race as ted cruz wanted, had he done that, donald trump would have sealed this nomination some time ago. that's a fact. and now at least it's good to

for john kasich's supporters they have to figure out how to make sure john kasich can win in oregon. do they keep negatives on the air against ted cruz. that seems to be the most effective way. i have to tell you the key question at the end of the day, california, what do these two sides decide to do about california. do they draw a line in the middle of the state like john kasich running in the san diego barri barrier. it is going to come down to that state no matter what happens in indiana or oregon. >> thank you to you and hally and katy and the road runner. as ted cruz defended his new alliance today, the senator warned the consequence of a trump nomination. >> if donald trump is the nominee, hillary clinton wins. she will beat donald trump by double digits. if wins by a landslide, we may lose the house and the supreme court for a generation. >> joining me now to discuss all of this is u.s. senator and john kasich's supporter from new hampshire, thank you so much. >> is it too little or too late. this is not about an alliance. it is about targeting resources. you got to be able t

john kasich is way behind. he's only won one state and if he cares so deeply about donald trump getting the nomination, why doesn't he just drop out? >> well, clearly by running for president this life-long public servant has made clear to the public that he thinks there's something greater for him out there, and if it's not president, maybe it's chair of the rnc, maybe it's a vice presidential slot, maybe a cabinet position. all of those things are open and available to him, and it doesn't make sense if you're going to try to bargain for any of those things, including, you know, there's still a long shot chance he could become the republican nominee. he's got a case to make and he wants to make it. so all of those things are reasons why it would be very early for kasich to sort of throw in his cards. he's got a lot of cards to play, and we can look forward to him playing them in his home state. >> here is the thing though, john, if i'm a voter, right, and i really don't like ted cruz but i really like john kas

he's a supporter of john kasich. let me ask you, after hearing that interview on the "today" show this morning, here's what i walk away thinking. it was a mistake for the kasich and cruz campaigns to announce this. if this is something behind the scenes about allocation of resources and where candidates are spending time but the candidates don't want to come out and just say, look, i'm writing off indiana, i'm writing off oregon, you should vote for the other guy here, this looks bad to announce it. this should have been done quietly. do you agree with that? >> i probably would have done it a little bit more quietly but i think there's a lot of faux outrage from donald trump. here's a man who wrote "the art of the deal" and he is shocked that two candidates' campaigns entered into an agreement. what they did, they committed an act of politics plain and simple. all this talk about collusion is absurd. today in pennsylvania we're having a primary. i'm encouraging everybody to vote for john kasich and i'll tell you i'm

i think john kasich wants that role. i think it's very hard for him to get there having won one state out of all of them. but i think that is his white knight. i don't -- i don't think he is trying to hantd it d it to trum cruz. i think he's against both of them and thinks he will be the last man standing in a chaotic contentious convention scenario. >> so many ballots. five or six ballots. and there is no consensus and they say okay, kasich, at least you ran, which paul ryan said was important, having to run. and you've stayed in this thing. look, a lot of things have to fall into place for this to work for kasich. i think it's less than a 10% chance. i think that's the hail mary he's betting on. >> and that's what he has. it's better than anybody else has. >> he's tell in the race, right? jeb bush and marco, they're not in the race. we're not talking about them. >> when paul ryan is up there lording over, when he is in charge at the republican national convention, a lot of his job i suppose is going to be the adult in

john kasich said -- >> i want to hear john kasich talk about the rules, let's listen to that. then we'll discuss. >> you've been saying for a long time honestly in your belief, it's going to come down to a convention. >> i've said that for a long time. >> senator cruz is now kind of publicly admitting that as well. he was talking about that today on the campaign trail. one of the things he has said to me in the past is he's talking about rule 40, rule 40, which was on the books at the convention back in 2012 requires a candidate to have won the majority of delegates in eight states in order to be nominated. cruz says essentially you're not even going to be eligible to get the nomination. >> look, i can just tell you this. he spent a million dollars making stuff up about me in wisconsin. of course he's going to say that. >> are you going to be able to change the rules? >> there are no rules. the rules will get set. and you just mentioned when we were in michigan the committees got set better. i think the rules will be open. and even if they're not, i'm still going to go in ther

like john kasich, wanted to stick with it. we've talked to a lot of trump voters coming through this door. that's the ballot behind me. they told me this just proves everything they suspected all along, the game is rigged, there are back room deals, it's cheating and now it's just become public. so this plays right into the hands of donald trump who of course at rallies today will bring this up over and over again. so we could see it back firing here. the kasich and cruz alliance may not come in time because so many have voted early. at the same time, it may galvanize trump voters to get to the polls and have their voices heard. erica. >> interesting the way that you put it there with john. he was saying he was voting for the guy, not the game. as you pointed out, that is in many ways one of the talking points that donald trump has. that this plays into what he is saying about this being a rigged system. as we just heard from both governor kasich and his campaign, a spokesman who was on to this earlier, john kasich isn't telli

john kasich would not say that. instead john kasich said to the voters in indiana, they ought to vote for me. remember, john kasich, his name will still be on the ballot there, so he could still be a factor in this race without campaigning there, without spending money there. this does not automatically mean that it's a one-on-one ted cruz/donald trump race in indiana. again, john kasich speaking just now at that diner in philadelphia. okay, a look at where the candidates are today. you see kasich there in philly. events being held from bernie sanders in hartford to donald trump in warwick, rhode island. kasich is going to head down the road to rockville, maryland. cruz is skipping tomorrow's primary states altogether. he is going to be in indiana today. we touched on two of those big states tomorrow in our last hour, pennsylvania and maryland. this hour we want to hit the other three so we've invited back some of our favorite on the ground reporters. matthew albright in delaware, chris keating in connecticut, ian d

john kasich is second and ted cruz third. so can john kasich's speech possibly matter? >> well, what john kasich is trying to do is try to justify why he ri mains in the race. there's no way he's going to win new york. he can hope to pick up a few delegates. with all the questions about why is kasich still in this contest, he has only won one state. tha that was ohio y. we saw him shut out in colorado. john kasich, i think phil says enka encapsulated this is a pivotal moment for his campaign. last night he tried 20 open himself up a little bit to the voters. this was a touching moment between him and his daughters. >> he just tries to tell jokes that he thinks are funny, but -- they're mostly just funny to us because they're dumb. [ laughter ] >> spoken like every 16-year-old child of a parent. >> and he also thinks he's a really good dancer. >> uh-oh. >> north south. >> that's exactly right. >> north south? that's his move? >> yeah. you got to go north and south. you can't do this -- you have to go north south, and -- >> wow. >> yeah. it's very -- and i'm really, reall

john kasich can continue to dog paddle along. >> let him speak. >> john kasich is ahead of ted cruz in new york and we see new york as a two-person race between donald trump and governor john kasich. there are delegates to be won in every congressional district in new york and john kasich will be in the state over the next few days holding town hall meetings and really reaching out to voters, not just to speak from a podium but to listen to them and hear their concerns in a town hall format. we believe we're going to do very well in new york and win delegates. in new york, john kasich is the only one who can keep donald trump under that 50% winner-take-all threshold. >> he also says he is the only candidate who can beat hillary clinton. and the polling shows he's in third place or fourth place, if you count marco rubio, he's not in there anymore so let's just say third place. there's polling that shows in the general, that he's the only one that beats hillary clinton or bernie sanders. >> by a lot, too. john kasich is up by an average of 10, 12, 13% by hillary clinton in the polls and

john kasich has introduced himself to the people of ohio. it's a statewide elected official who says stuff that you can't believe he's actually saying. sometimes he's offending women. sometimes he's just being radically offensive. 11 days after he took office as governor of ohio, he got on stage to make a speech or give off the cuff john kasich style remarks to a group of state workers. this was 11 days after he became governor. in the middle of these remarks, on camera, out of nowhere, totally out of the blue, unprompted, he launched into this. >> you been stopped by a policeman who was an idiot? i had this idiot pull me over on 315. listen to this story. he says to me, he says you passed this emergency vehicle on the side of the road and didn't yield. he gives me a ticket and says you must report to court. if you don't report, we're putting a warrant out for your arrest. he's an idiot. >> john kasich after he got elected governor of ohio screaming to a group of unrelated state workers about the idiot highway patrolman in his state. >> he's

he made fun of the way john kasich eats. and tonight he even said it's time for both of them to get out of the race because they have no path forward, and it's time for the party to unite behind trump. >> what do ted cruz and john kasich hope to get out of this, sarah? >> reporter: well, ted cruz is hoping for a win. he's hoping john kasich getting out of the race means that he can actually notch a victory in indiana. for john kasich, it's a little bit trickier. this is a campaign that is strained on resources, so it gives them a little bit of air cover, a little bit of time to maybe work on the delegates, on conference calls rather than be out there and campaigning. it also keeps them in the narrative. it sends a signal to kasich supporters that i will be in the race in may, in june. that's as important to them at this point than anything because what they really want is a contested convention and above all, what they want is to keep trump below 1,237 delegates. >> i understand there is a reason you're outside this arena. w

but the history of john kasich, even just the recent history of john kasich shows he does stuff like this all the time. but today, this was john kasich today. >> so my question is, being i'm a young college student what will you do in office as president to help me feel more safe about sexual harassment and rape? >> this was in water town, new york. he ended up giving a long answer and stick the landing with this. >> we are in the process of making sure all higher education? our state. this ought to be done in the country that our co-eds know exactly what the rules, are what the opportunities are, what the confidential policies are so that you are not vulnerable at risk and can be preyed upon. i have two 16-year-old daughters and i don't even like to think about it. you know. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i kwould would give you one bit of advice, don't go to parties where there is a lot of alcohol. don't do that. >> listen, co-eds, that's the kind of this inc. that john kasich says to women, particularly young women all the time. but now at this point in the presidential race becaus

mark: joining us the national cochairman of john kasich's presidential campaign, senator john sununu. welcome back to the show. donald trump says ted cruz and john kasich are colluding and they are desperate and pathetic. what say you? >> donald trump is scared. he's not going to have enough delegates at the convention, we are going to an open convention and he will lose 300-400 delegates on the second ballot, and once he does, he will not be the nominee. it's about using resources effectively. john kasich is not going to spend money in indiana and ted cruz will not spend money in new mexico or oregon. that gives them both a chance to play to their strengths. equally important, tomorrow john kasich will win delegates in connecticut, rhode island, maryland and pennsylvania. every delegate he takes away from donald trump makes it harder for him to get 50%. mark: can you argue this was done out of strength as opposed to weakness? >> it was done because it is a good tactical move. he doesn't get the billion dollars in free media that donald trump gets. you guys cover donald trump all the

had cruz and john kasich doing the delegate math. is there any way that can snag it up to stop donald trump from the nomination? more on that when we come back . >> thousands of people came out today to run the race for retirement. so we asked them... are you completely prepared for retirement? okay, mostly prepared? could you save 1% more of your income? it doesn't sound like much, but saving an additional 1% now, could make a big difference over time. i'm going to be even better about saving. you can do it, it helps in the long run. prudential these are difficult times for elderly holocaust survivors bill: ted cruz back on the trail today, we will see how he addresses the kasich cruz strategy. born indiana, that's where he was last night. martha: is going to be hammering that all the time so we will see you tomorrow. have a good day everybody p8 bye-bye. jon: the battle for the easy heat up as the candidates make their final pushes. one day before five states hold primaries, good morning. i'm jon scott. heather: i'm heather childer

john kasich: sure. we were just talking about skills. .ommon core is in every state i don't think the president should be running our schools. i think they should be run by the local communities and the school board. our state has put in higher standards. our local school board develops curriculum to meet the higher standards. you know why we don't have high standards in our school sometimes? we all want to live in lake woebegone. a.ry kid is inan every boy is handsome, every girl is pretty, and they are all going to be rocket scientists. i believe you need to have a system that is flexible that can really feed the interests of our young people. one of my daughters wants to be a neonatologist. i said what is that? we took her to the hospital to meet some doctors to learn how to deal with little babies. interestedughter is in fashion. she took a volunteer job called dress for success, where she helps people get on their feet. these two girls are 16 years old. we are trying to feed them with real life exp

john kasich to speak in nand and ted cruz. and on the heels of this bombshell announcement over the weekend, this new kasich-cruz alliance. donald trump just wrapped up another event where he spoke out reacting to this unprecedented union. >> if you collude in business or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail, but in politics, because it's a rigged system, because it's a corrupt enterprise, in politics you're allowed to collude. they colluded. actually, i was happy. because it show house weak they are, shows how pathetic they are. takes two guys long-time politicians to try and get together to try and beat trump and yet they're way behind. said to myself, that's pretty bad. that's pretty bad. and here's the key! i've only been doing this for 10 months. i haven't even been doing it very long. >> donald trump with his first on camera remarks out of rhode isla island, earlier today. the goal of this new campaign coordination is to stop donald trump's efforts, secure those 1237 delegates that would secure the no

john kasich has introduced himself to the people of ohio. it's a statewide elected official who says stuff that you can't believe he's actually saying. sometimes he's offending women. sometimes he's just being radically offensive. 11 days after he took office as governor of ohio, he got on stage to make a speech or give off the cuff john kasich style remarks to a group of state workers. this was 11 days after he became governor. in the middle of these remarks, on camera, out of nowhere, totally out of the blue, unpr unprompted, he launched into this. >> you been stopped by a policeman who was an idiot? i had this idiot pull me over on 315. listen to this story. he says to me, he says you passed this emergency vehicle on the side of the road and didn't yield. he gives me a ticket and says you must report to court. if you don't report, we're putting a warrant out for your arrest. he's an idiot. >> john kasich after he got elected governor of ohio screaming to a group of unrelated state workers about the idiot highway patrolman in his state. >>

john kasich won his home state, ohio. if a republican doesn't win ohio a republican won't be president. that's critical. someone who will come into november, beat hillary clinton. john kasich is the person to do that. we are heading into states where you have pointed out john kasich runs stronger than ted cruz in new york and pennsylvania, connecticut, rhode island. this is a stronger area. john kasich beat ted cruz in the new england states with the exception of the caucus in maine. i think this is an area of strength for john kasich. he will win more delegates. marco rubio is holding delegates because he doesn't want donald trump to be the nominee. it will be an open convention and the ted cruz spokesman was claiming it wouldn't be and he would get a majority two or three weeks ago. it will be an open convention and those delegates will listen to the candidates. they will see who has the experience and the vision to lead the country. john kasich has balanced budgets, cut taxes, never lost an election and every poll show

sean: this is the strategy born strategy from john kasich -- basically what kasich and john -- john kasich and ted cruz have decided is to not run against each other in states where the other has a better chance of beating trump in a one-on-one race. is nowana, ted cruz effectively in a one-on one race with kasich after trump said i am not going to go hard on the state. cededhange, ted cruz has these states to kasich, clearing him for a one-on-one raise with donald trump there. this is all with the goal of trying to keep trump under that magic number of 1237 delegates. know asinly we will early as next week whether this strategy is affect the. but is it too little too late for the ted cruz and john kasich campaigns? sean: that is what i'm hearing from a lot of people. i spoke to a woman who wondered aloud whether it was too little too know, you can look at this many different ways and it was a crowded field for a long time. it would have been harder to do in february.e this as the field starts to thin, ,aving an arrangement like this it might have slowed down trump in some of these places.

john kasich will pick up delegates. and then we start going to these, like you said, winner take all in the congressional district, indiana and then nebraska. you have some very different states in. there you have nebraska, south dakota, montana, oregon, washington, and then california. so after tomorrow about, of 600 delegates to be awarded. and that's why everyone is still in it. >> i'm looking at your face. >> you're my friend kelly ann. what we know is, you know, this is increasingly impossible for ted cruz. he can maybe do well in indiana. that's really like last state for him to make a stand and beat donald trump and then your fingers are crossed. >> if he can, then you are still on track to have a convention fight. but that's what this is looking like. >> okay. let's talk about ted cruz vetting potential vp candidates. carly fiorina is at the top of the list. >> yeah. you know, it's really interesting. it's hard to understand what carly fiorina brings to the table in this rational or this logic. i'm sure he's thi

that's very farfetched for john kasich. for these candidates it is important to be figuring out more so for a ted cruz or a donald trump to be starting this process of figuring out who their running mate will be because july will be here before you know it. we're all going to be at the convention in just a couple of months so i think that for these candidates it is a priority to start figuring out they have to do, obviously they have to vet them and they have to go through a lengthy process and it's important to start this process. >> it's interesting because i saw in your notes that there's three factors that are important the vp could deliver some sort of a deficiency of the presidential candidate. we all know a possible huge state like ohio and the comfort level between the president and the vp pick. let's go over to the dem side though because hillary clinton put out some sort of a list. let's take a look at this now. let me know if you agree with this or not. here are the people she has put on the list. he used to run

trump and john kasich have events happening now. you're looking at live pictures, the alliance is between kasich and ted cruz who joined together to try to divide and conquer upcoming primary states. the way the alliance is supposed to work, like everything else about the race, more li

john kasich is mod ratz. how is he moderate. >> i think john kasich is liberal. look. he believes in main maid climate change. he believes in accepting the gay marriage issue. the court decided. he's against the ban ominous limbs. socially he's a liberal, physically he's conservative but donald trump brings something to the table nobody else does and that's the experience of having run a wildly successful business. aren't most people bib rally moddive and fivls. >> let's take abortion. abortion on demand. democrats have run from abortion, presidential election after presidential election. if they fight on that issue and say do you favor it, look aet the polls. as we get more and more technology, people want more restrictions. no. i think if you fight for your issues, meme are more so. he's running in the primaries against hillary. >> judd southern, would you like to aids to that? >> absolutely. kasich is a liberal. that have not run any solid conservative. look what happened to him. john mccain wasn't a conservative. look what happened to him. mitt romney. that's the p

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john kasich is a good and honorable man. but he has no path to winning and john kasich has pulled out, he's withdrawn from the state of indiana. >> this is why people hate ted cruz. this is why people hate him. they made a keel to divvy up the spoil where they were woo focus -- oh, have you heard john kasich dropped out? this is why people hate ted cruz. but it turns out this is part of a broader thing going on that isn't specific to him. i mentioned there's something going on in politics that democrats will be very happy to hear and that will likely be very concerning to republicans. and it's a very specific thing. it's new numbers that are just out today from the pew research center. and you can tell that the basic story from the headline, the bottom-line result which should give republicans a little spielkus. the bottom-line result is the republican party is more unpopular in the country right now than it has been in more than two decades. and it's not like americans are in love with the democratic party. but americans de

kasich voter after kasich voter tells us we believe in john kasich, not ted cruz. we recognize the politics but want to vote our conscience. two kasich voters came in here today, told us they heard about the alliance, thought it was so disgusting and wreaked of desperation and changed their vote not to ted cruz but donald trump. >> that's exactly what we were talking about with rick tyler a few moments ago. appreciate it. >>> let's pivot back to where we are in maryland also voting tomorrow. msnbc senior editor of video has been here exploring the relationship between the cops and the community here. he joins me now. hi. >> reporter: hey, kate. good afternoon. we're at this rally outside city hall. this is a rally almost exclus e exclusively for television came cameras. this is a rally about getting the vote out tomorrow. here is music coming. about getting the vote out tomorrow. ♪ >> reporter: it's a very tenuous variance one year after the death of gray. a lot hasn't changed you talk to some people where you and i are the inner harbor. this is almost two differ

his deal with john kasich. you heard somebody in the audience shouted out john kasich. basically he said john kasich doesn't have a plausible path. now working hand in hand to try to stop donald trump. it takes us to today's most important number of the day. that number is 41. 41 has everything to do with the reason ted cruz struck this deal. that is indiana. trying to beat trump in indiana. this is a new poll from fox that came out on friday. it looks at the state of play in indiana heading into the weekend. trump was leading, cruz was second and kasich gobbling up a significant chunk of the vote. cruz's campaign has been looking at numbers like this and saying the single biggest obstacle to stopping and catching donald trump is getting kasich out of the way? they struck the deal. now kasich says no ads, no campaigning, i'll not do anything in indiana. ted cruz, take your best shot at trump. they looked at second choices. forget this middle part here. the question is kasich's supporters. they were asked in thi

voting for john kasich in indiana next week? >> i think i will, yes. >> are you going to tell your friends to vote for john kasich? >> well, you know, if you knew indiana people well, you would know they don't take kindly to anybody telling them how to vote. i'm always real judicious with making endorsements. all i can really say is that this is what i'm going to be doing, but you don't tell hoosiers how to do anything, how to vote or what actions they should take. we'll leave it up to them to make that decision. >> so, craig, as a hoosier though, do you think it's a smart deal, a dumb deal, a too late deal? what do you think of the deal that they struck? >> well, i don't want to second guess the deal. i will say that like a lot of other people in indiana, we've always had this dream of having candidates prowl around our state the way they do in new hampshire and proclaim to the world we have the best tenderloins in the world, and so from that standpoint it's a little disappointing that we're not going to have all three of the c

that's john kasich territory. washington is not part of the deal. it awards delegates proporti proportionately. i guess they'll split them up. the real pay off, if there is a deal, would be in california. a big diverse state, a very democratic state, get as many delegates for winning the most democratic district as the most republican district. it is one where if they play their cards each can specialize in certain of the districts. >> we're just learning today donald trump will not be atte attending this week's convention held by virginia republicans. that came to us as a statement from the virginia republican party. originally we heard donald trump would try to attend. there's been a lot of talk about his team's delegate strategy and how it's changing. are you seeing any changes there? if so, what's the impact? >> i think there are changes there. i think they certainly recognize the importance of going to the state conventions and winning delegates. the thing about virginia is the process started long ago, is a much more local conventions and so b

a john kasich supporter. first of all, the public comments from donald trump saying get out of the way, john kasich, but also this maneuvering behind the scenes potentially to cut john kasich off a ballot at the convention. what do you make of it? >> i think you covered a lot of it in your discussion with ari and charlie black made the important point. this is really not aimed at the convention, it's aimed at suppressing john kasich's vote and the remaining primaries by making him a appear to the not be a serious alternative when he is the most serious alternative. in addition to that both trump and cruz president can't be right this is in their interest. one of them is going to figure out it's not in their interest to try to keep john kasich off the ballot and we could have a rules fight in cleveland but i think it will end up with john kasich being on the ballot. even if that doesn't happen we are not going to nominate anybody on the first ballot at this convention and after the first ballot additional cand

joining us the national cochairman of john kasich presidential campaign, senator john sununu. welcome back to the show. donald trump says ted cruz and and kasich are colluding they are desperate and pathetic. what say you? is scared.rump he's not going to have enough delegates at the convention, we are going to an open convention and he will lose 300-400 delegates on the second ballot, and once he does come he will not be the nominee. it's about using resources effectively. john kasich is not going to spend money in indiana and ted cruz will not spend money in new mexico or oregon. tot gives them both a chance play to their strengths. equally important, tomorrow john kasich will win delegates in connecticut, rhode island, maryland and pennsylvania. every delegate he takes away from donald trump makes it harder for him to get 50%. -- argue you are good this was done out of strength as opposed to weakness? a it was done because it is good tactical move. he doesn't get the billion dollars in free media that donald trump gets. you guys cover donald trump all the time. you've given

why would you let john kasich in on that. so i think john kasich has a lot to gain. ted cruz has nothing to gain from that kind of relationship. >> you've been sitting here playing nicely while people have been talking about cuban beef and other things. this was -- >> it's picarillo. >> not even close. >> it was a big night for donald trump, is this an acknowledgement now, the fact that he showed more discipline on the stage last night, is that what he now needs to do and does he have to leave behind everything else that got him to this point? >> we need to see more of the donald trump we have seen last night and we have seen that. the fact is he is the presumptive nominee. he's comfortable in his skin now and confident. he doesn't need to attack anymore. he just needs to do exactly what he did last night and it's important to emphasize the magnitude of his victory. he won by 35%. that's more than any poll was predicting he would win by. you look at ted cruz, quickly becoming more third place, lost to ben carson and came in fourth. ted cruz was trounced in the southe

rivals ted cruz and john kasich are now teaming up to stop trump. the stop-trump movement will finally have what it has always wanted, one on one in crucial states. and tonight, how ted cruz and john kasich will divide up the remaining states and will it work? >>> let's start by saying leave tom brady alone. leave him alone. >> we're focusing our energy on the state of indiana and governor kasich is focusing his energies elsewhere. >> it's culution. >> what does that even mean? >> because it's a rigged system, you're allowed to collude. >> i would ask governor kasich's supporters to stand with us. >> i don't see it as such a big deal. i mean, everybody chill out. >> in such a disgusting fashion. >> not a big deal. >> so, he's going nowhere. >> come and join us, stand together. >> 'lyin' ted', the only thing he can do is try to grab delegates. >> the establishment is not just going to roll over, no matter what trump gets going into this. >> wryou would have a revolt. >> they're having a weird -- >> they are and that's for them to sort out. >> they're

and that is john kasich by far. every poll that we have seen shows john kasich beating hillary clinton on average by about seven points. donald trump losing to her by about 11 points, and ted cruz losing by a few points. i don't think there's in question at all who the electable republican is with a strong record and will perform well in swing states like ohio and pennsylvania. >> understood that's your opinion and talking about opinions of the delegates, but what about the american people, the voice of the american people, arguably, in this campaign whether talking about donald trump or bernie sanders, who yes, isn't the front-runner but has the fervor of the democratic party is so loud. this is different than before. these are people lining out outside the trump rallies for hours and hours on end. at what point are you disregarding the voice of the people and then can't count on them to come out and vote for the republican candidate in a general? >> well, look, just yesterday we had a town hall meeting with john k

"i'm not endorsing john kasich. i'm not endorsing ted cruz." what won't you endorse john kasich? i know how you feel about cruz. you vote for somebody but having to make the distinction i'm not endorsing. why? >> first of all. it's not a fear. i endorsed marco rubio and he lost. with john kasich if i thought kasich had a chance i would endorse him. i want to keep it dry because it may -- >> you're voting for somebody who you don't think has a snowball chance. >> the likelihood is donald trump get the nomination. i want donald trump to know if he wants the support of republicans he has to get substance and learn what he's talking about. he can't be talking about off the top of his head. what i'm saying is that it's a good suggestion that maybe john kasich would be a good choice for president. to endorse someone it means -- >> got it. that makes sense. that's a good answer. >> peter, let me ask you, what does donald trump have to do over the next several months to win your vote, win your endor endorsement? >> he said. >> tell me two or three things that trump has to do to move you

john kasich is a good and honorable man. but he has no path to winning and john kasich has pulled out, he's withdrawn from the state of indiana. >> this is why people hate ted cruz. this is why people hate him. they made a keel to divvy up the spoil where they were woo foc focus -- oh, have you heard john kasich dropped out? this is why people hate ted cruz. but it turns out this is part of a broader thing going on that isn't specific to him. i mentioned there's something going on in politics that democrats will be very happy to hear and that will likely be very concerning to republicans. and it's a very specific thing. it's new numbers that are just out today from the pew research center. and you can tell that the basic story from the headline, the bottom-line result which should give republicans a little spielkus. the bottom-line result is the republican party is more unpopular in the country right now than it has been in more than two decades. and it's not like americans are in love with the democratic party. but american

john kasich is the best candidate to win in november. he's the only one that beats hillary clinton and he beats her in those swing states that decide general elections. ohio, north carolina, virginia, those states where you need to have a good, competitive person. fundraising is i can approximating picking up and we're going to have the resources that we need. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, fredricka. >>> a reminder to watch "race for the white house" at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. >>> my face-to-face interview with sir charles barkley what he has to say about the race to the white house. >> we are a much better country together than separate. like i say, we have made this thing about rich against poor, black against white, white against hispanic and that's just not the way the greatest country in the world should operate. but lets you breathe as deeply as this or this or this. not guilty. if it doesn't upset your allergies like paint, is it still paint? natura is certified asthma and allergy friendly. and you can o

>> maybe when you're john kasich. when there's not a lot of good news you have to take what you can get and run with it. no, it's not a strong second place finish. frankly, i think, most people would agree that trump over performed. a lot of models had him around 80 delegates. he ended up sweeping with a few going for one. he doesn't have a lot of good news now. indiana will be really interesting. >> okay, indiana. i hear you. i keep hearing this indiana as if it's sort of like just, the alamo here. it may be an alamo type story. indiana still only worth 57 delegates. it's not this magic state. >> taiwan and next year we'll be in beijing. the thing is what i did anticipate was the cruz people, they're ability to pick trump's pocket and all the back -- >> they have done that. >> what i didn't see happening was adults taking over the trump campaign and a real campaign being imposed on it. that's the part that is making me really, really nervous. >> i guess what i don't understand is john kasich. john weaver, they put ou

it's governor john kasich? who can govern and bring us together successfully, it's governor john kasich. who can protect us and get more jobs for working americans? it's governor john kasich. i'm going to do whatever can i to help him wiÑe this nomination and the election. >> all right, governor. thank you. i will let you go back to your gayla. thank you, sir for joiningxc÷ us. >> thank you, greta. great being on with you. >> and candidate donald trump, ted cruz, and john kasich are all about to step in front of that microphone for the 2016 new york republican gayla. "on the record" takes you inside the event you will see right here live on fox tonight. that's next and don't forget to watch hannity tonight at 10 o'clock p.m. eastern. sean will be coming to you live from the new york g.o.p. gayla. and he will be speaking with trump campaign manager corey lewandowski. that's the first interview with lewandowski. that's tonight at 10:00 on hannity. over time, your money could multiply. hello, all of you. get org

john kasich: i have a new plan. i am going to go down to the kennedy space center, get in a rocket and have a short flight and land in the water, be fetched out of the ocean by a big navy ship, and have a press conference. how does that sound? the only reason i might not do it is they might not pick you up. -- they might not pick me up. you know? but here's what i want you to understand. if you are a voice of positive, people don't want to hear that. people are attracted to the negative. they are. it's natural. that's the way we were made. we are made up of conflict. people have a certain part of their brain that works that way. at the end of the day, people don't want to live there. they don't want to live in tension, negativity, conflict. your family gets together for the wedding, the first hour is good. the second hour is terrible. at the dinner. and why did you do that to uncle joe, and, you know, but then at the end, right? we are all hugging. we are telling each other how much we love one another, and we say w

donald trump talked about john kasich today. listen to what he chose to focus in on. >> now you look at kasich, i don't think he knows -- did you see him? he has a news conference all the time when he's eating. i have never seen a human being eat in such a disgusting fashion. >> so -- [ laughter ] >> john kasich does like to sample the food at these campaign events, but this is old habits diehard for donald trump, huh? >> listen, i think this is the fifth or 17th time that we've announced a reset on how he'll become more presidential in the traditional way. he always goes back to his mean, which is to be in your face and loud and brash but i applaud kasich for getting out there and eating on the campaign trail. it's got to be tough to be an a candidate. >> sometimes you're hungry and you got to eat. >> you're at a diner and put this delicious food in front of you. i can't fault him for that. is donald trump capable? if he gets the republican nomination and this is what his campaign chief is telling people behind closed doors, yo

he's asking for the support of people backing john kasich here in indiana. it is interesting, you talk about this alliance and pact that was made public on sunday. it seems as though on neither kidnapped da candidate is coming out and say vote for the other guy. we took our i-pad and we show people these clip of john kasich and matt lauer and savannah guthrie. one person says hey, i don't like they are playing this game. i understand why they are doing it but i wish they are not quite public about it craig. >> do we know, halie, if the candidates ever spoke to each other about joining forces or did they leave it to their staffs to work out the details. >> this is from the campaign manager and the top strategyist interaki interacting over the weekend. but, really became a viable reality after it became virtually impossible for cruz to lock up the nomination out right after the new york primary. >> halie jackson is for us in indianapolis, thank you. >>> katy tur is covering the trump campaign today. what are they saying tonight? >> they feel really good tonigh

john kasich unites to get things done. kasich delivered on his word and turn his state around with grit and determination, something new yorkers should appreciate. john kasich for president. >> ohio governor john kasich out with a new campaign ad, saying grit and determination, those things are in line with new york values. the government in the bronx today holding a town hall tonight in brooklyn. while the kasich camp feels confident ledding into the new york primary, the polls show an uphill battle. trailing trump by 27 points. nbc's kelly o'donnell following the kasich campaign for us. how exactly does the governor plan to win the empire state? >> reporter: well, win is not the word he's using, craig. he's talking about trying to accumulate delegates and says the best stretch of the campaign season for him is beginning now, knowing that wisconsin was not really his territory, he said. and he thinks a lot of votes were more anti-trump than pro-ted cruz. the northeast is perhaps better for john kasich, the territory where

it will probably happen the same with john kasich. the big problem for the country is there's zero substance to it. >> let me play this clip, jeffrey, get your reaction. listen to this. >> couple of people said presidential. i gave a sporting analogy. it's like do we want to change at this point? do we want a change? do i look like a president? how handsome am i, right? how handsome! >> you're smiling. >> you know, every time he refers to senator cruz as senator cruz, we think he has gone presidential. then three hours later he's back to lying ted. i think he's going with what works. this guy is practically the presumptive nominee of the republican party. why should he change what's working now. which is calling people nicknames. >> he makes a good point. it worked so far. almost a year, in june a year he announced he is running for president. has been the frontrunner every day since then. >> i think we have seen him i think maybe one of the most impressive parts of the campaign so far, how he has responded after the wisconsin loss, b

it doesn't look like john kasich is getting out. it doesn't look like you're getting out now, guys. >> in maryland. >> go ahead. >> in maryland he failed to file a full slate of delegates. i don't know what they're dining. >> they're running for contested convention. >> somebody has to step in and save john kasich from the pile-on. thank you is much for being with us. appreciate it. >>> speaking of john kasich, as we just said, he claims he's not goer nev going anywhere. what's the plan? really what is the kasich plan for victory? we're going speak with a top kasich official. that's coming up. >>> plus if you think the president is tired of talking about donald trump, think again. the white house says all the trump questions are a good thing and he says bring them on. we'll talk about that next. >>> coming up soon, president obama to talk about the economy and corporate tax loopholes, this is a subject i know you've been dying to hear about. so we'll bring that to you live. 4 let's-rock-this-concert- like-it's-1999 kind of mom. back

why is john kasich still in the race? correspondent: that is a good question, i think only john kasich knows why he is in the race. ohio, maybe he thinks he can be a player at the convention. he has the delegates, he can negotiate. a lot of people don't like donald trump, and are not crazy about ted cruz either. john kasich is there, he might have a shot. he just happens to be there at the right time when the republican party said, you are our guy. shot,, andis a long might never happen. think you so much for coming in. president kasich? who would've thought that. sides hope to win young voters in order to secure the white house. are election, many of them flocking to bernie sanders, a 74-year-old white man promising revolution. it is an unlikely idea. but many have their allegiance to hillary clinton. barbara usher reports. correspondent: this is the crotchety old socialist writing a wave of youthful enthusiasm. rockstar stuff, apparently. is the most genuine, authentic politician out there. his campaign, whether he wins