fbi, he isnt is, the convinced, the fbi is involved. he sees the evidence provided by members of the committee staff. he says we must respond, we must emit -- educate the american public to the extent of which these programs file it a constitutional protections, and we as lawmakers, members of congress, will have to respond with legislation to correct and prevent the abuses from occurring in the future. >> did they respond and make legislation that changed things? yes and no. their ultimate goal of establishing an fbi charter, a legal framework that would provide the parameters for which the fbi could operate, that was never approved by congress. it was considered for many years, but it was never finally approved. the scrutiny of being -- of the fbi and the fact that j edgar hoover passed away in 1972, uniqued a sort of opportunity for a new attorney general, edward leavy, to institute internal reform. he did that with a series of up -- processes known as the attorney general guidelines. the criticism of those were that they addressed t

and his point is, the fbi, he is convinced, the fbi is involved. he sees the evidence provided by members of the committee staff. and he says, we must respond, we must educate the american public to the extent of which these programs violated constitutional protections, and we as lawmakers, members of congress, will have to respond with legislation to correct and prevent these abuses from occurring in the future. >> did they respond and make legislation that changed things? dr. scott: well, yes and no. their ultimate goal of establishing an fbi charter, a legal framework that would provide the parameters for which the fbi could operate, that was never approved by congress. it was considered for long many , years, but it was never finally approved. the fbi and of the fact that j edgar hoover passed away in 1972 provided a sort of unique opportunity for a new attorney general, edward leavy, to institute internal reform. of he did that with a series processes that were known as the attorney general guidelines. the criticism for those guidelines were t

and that the fbi under fbi director j. edgar hoover who was the director for more than 40 years, has tasked the agency with providing a type of response to these developments. the senators are mindful of the cold war era in which these programs were developed because they've been lawmakers during this period. they understand the challenges. but they're suggesting that the fbi has gone entirely too far. and as you can see from senator hart's -- senator phil hart of michigan, he has some very emotional testimony about how his family members have been trying to convince him for some time that these programs have been in place. and he has dismissed their arguments as irrational, the fbi can never be involved in this type of behavior. and his point is the fbi -- he's convinced the fbi is involved. he sees the evidence provided by members of the committee staff and he says, we must respond, we must educate the american public about the extent to which these programs violated constitutional protections. and then we as lawmakers,

and his point is, the fbi, he is convinced, the fbi is involved. he sees the evidence provided by members of the committee staff. and he says, we must respond, we must educate the american public to the extent of which these programs violated constitutional protections, and we as lawmakers, members of congress, will have to respond with legislation to correct and prevent these abuses from occurring in the future. >> did they respond and make legislation that changed things? dr. scott: well, yes and no. their ultimate goal of establishing an fbi charter, a legal framework that would provide the parameters for which the fbi could operate, that was never approved by congress. it was considered for long, many years, but it was never finally approved. the scrutiny of the fbi and the fact that j edgar hoover passed away in 1972 provided a sort of unique opportunity for a new attorney general, edward leavy, to institute internal reform. and he did that with a series of processes that were known as the attorney general guidelines. the criticism for those g

the fbi i personally gave the fbi several days notice, a good week notice that this was going to occur. my instructions were to hang in. go and see what happens. >> and did the fbi ever tell you that when you went to these violent occasions you should stand back and not participate or did they say you are on your own and do whatever you think is necessary? >> he says we have to by law instruct you that you are not to participate in violence. however, we know you have to do this. we know it is something you have to do and we understand. we need the information. the important thing is get the information. >> to get the information was it necessary in your judgment to participate in the violent acts yourself? >> some of the information, i think, yes. >> in connection with the freedom riders incident did you inform fbi about planned violence? >> sir, i gave fbi information approximately three weeks before it occurred. >> what did you tell them? >> i stated that i had been contacted by a birmingham city detective who wanted me to meet with high ranking officer. >> you mean the birmingham po

what about the fbi? --whoas told by the fbi will we report it to? the police department was involved in it. they helped set it out. we are an investigating agency not an enforcement agency. were youme after that, told that the fbi had declared war on the kkk? what were you told to do under this program? under the program, i was instructed to disrupt, discredit, or disorganized the kkk as best as i could. i was instructed to give information if i found out who was sleeping with home. whom to cause dissension in their homes and try to break them up. i was also instructed to attend church services to see if there were any political activities going on. kkk meetings were held in churches. >> were you instructed purposely to attempt to break up marriages? >> yes, i was. to try totions were sleep with as many wives as i could. thereafter, you did see that we started to examine the murder? i did pass information on. the committee will stand in recess for three minutes while we bring forth the other witnesses. >> what criteria do you use in the selection of

openi said i would be to talk about being an informant for the fbi, the fbi came to my house to discuss it with me. came to discuss your becoming an informant? mary: yes. >> what was the nature of that discussion? what were you asked to do? mary: the understanding i got from the meeting was that wwso was an organization are merrily of veterans who were possible victims of manipulation they had ,een through in the vietnam war they had legitimate readjustment needs, and the bureau was afraid they could become violent. they were a cause for social concern, and they wanted me to go in there and participate in the organization and make sure the veterans did not get ripped off. they use words like "the of a voice ofason -- be reason," be a big sister, and keep things calm, cool, and collected. that sounded like a legitimate thing to do, so i decided to work for the fbi. >> in addition to maintaining reason and keeping things calm, what other functions were you assigned? this whole scenario was called being an informant. , righto go to meetings up reports, phone and reports on what happened, w

when i said i would be open to talk about being an informant for the fbi, the fbi came to my house to discuss it with me. >> an agent came to discuss your becoming an informant? mary: yes. >> what was the nature of that discussion? what were you asked to do? mary: the understanding i got from the meeting was that wwso was an organization are merrily -- primarily of veterans who were possible victims of manipulation they had been through in the vietnam war, they had legitimate readjustment needs, and the bureau was afraid that they could become violent. iny could become manipulated a cause or social concern, and they wanted me to go in there and participate in the organization and make sure the veterans did not get "ripped off." they use words like "be a voice of reason," "be a big sister," and "keep things calm, cool, and collected." that sounded like a legitimate thing to do, so i decided to work for the fbi. >> in addition to maintaining reason and keeping things calm, what other functions were you assigned? mary: this whole scenario was called being an informant. i was to go to mee

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the fbi already knows. they do not distinguish between u.s. persons and others because nationality is normally irrelevant to a criminal investigation. one of the databases contains a subset of the information collected under section 702 though none of the communications upstream. an fbi query may include this database along with other databases even if the crime being investigated does not relate to national security. however, it is extremely unlikely that an fbi query in a nonnational security investigation will hit on 702 data. some have suggested requiring the fbi to get court approval before conducting a query of 702 information and an investigation of a nonnational security crime. the board did not recommend this approach and i think it would be a mistake. in the interest of time i'll mention just one of several reasons why. requiring judicial approval for fbi queries would be a step toward reerecting the information sharing wall that the government has worked so hard to tear down since 9/11. an invest

the fbi point. the fbi does not get that data. they get a subset. now, when concerns are raised about queries, the concern is not raised about querying international security investigation because everyone seems to agree you want to be able to. but querying that in other investigations. >> when we were doing our report inand discussing this issue with the fbi, they were not able to give us an example of that ever having happened. it is at the least extremely unlikely, and the judge referred to the possibility is remote if not entirely fierce. it's unlikely to come back in a criminal investigation, but as i said, if there is a connection, you wanted to be discoverable. >> thank you. thank you. >> senator tillis. >> mr. chair. i was glad to hear about the value of this program. many of us not on intelligence would have. it is important to understand why it is a useful and important tool. back to the point about declassification, some of the apprehension can relate to other bad actors reverse engineering how they can avoid detection if they know what p

the fbi already knows. these queries do not distinguish between u.s. persons and others because nationality is normally irrelevant to a criminal investigation. one of the fbi's databases contains a subset of the information collected under section 702, though none of the data collected upstream. so none of the about communications that were referenced. an fbi query may include this database along with other databases even if the crime being investigated does not relate to national security. however, it is extremely unlikely that an fbi query in a non-national security investigation will hit on 702 data. some have suggested requiring the fbi to get court approval before conducting a query of 702 information and an investigation of a non-national security crime. the board did not recommend this approach and i think it would be a mistake. in the interest of time, i'll mention just one of several reasons why. requiring judicial approval for fbi queries would be a step toward rewriting the information sharing wa

fbi and u.s. department of justice are looking into whether or not he took contributions from a chinese politician. as a reminder it is illegal for foreign nationals to donate to american political races. mcauliffe says the chinese billionaire had a green card. fbi and u.s. department of justice also examining if there is overlap while mcauliffe was at the clinton foundation. now on the clinton connection, here's mcauliffe's comments. >> i think we travel the same circles. i have traveled the globe with president clinton and we have a lot of the same friends. those that give to the clinton foundation have been friends of mine years and years. we friendship together. deirdre: one thing we want to clearly note, there is no allegation that the clinton foundation did anything improper according to officials. this probe focuses on mcauliffe and campaign donations. my guest has done a lot of research on the subject. he is the author of "clinton cash." he is senior editor-at-large at "breitbart news." pe

who won't say whether the fbi has questioned him. uses the same language. >> my understanding is this is a security review, certainly not a criminal investigation. >> it's an investigation. >> it's an inquiry into whether or not anyone put classified information where it shunts be. >> fox news asked director comey whether clinton and her aides would receive the same scrutiny as other government employees who receive security clearances. >> comey said he didn't want to comment on the clinton case and added there are no special rules for anybody under an fbi investigation. >>> up next, donald trump and republican lawmakers get ready for their close-up. here's what some fox affiliates around the country are covering. fox 21, greenville, south carolina, for new charges against a former north charleston police officer, michael slaying certificate facing a state murder charge in the death of an unarmed black motorist walter scott 13 months ago. new federal charges include violating scott's civil rights and obstruction of justice. >>> fox 4

report, rather today, i mean, it's not the fbi report. but it certain solid unflattering, accusing her of not cooperating. that's not a good sign. >> no. it actually shows that many assertions she has made about the email story are not true. and there is an email captured in there between her and uma abedin where she says that as you mentioned before earlier in the show she doesn't want herself accessible. this goes to the thinking that she actually created a private server on which to store government documents that belong to you and me and the rest of the taxpayers and subsequently deleted possibly some of them. now, forget the security concerns. she is not allow to do do that what the ig report said today is she was never allowed. she didn't ask. if she had asked, she would have been denied it that's bad for her in terms of what the fbi is working on right now. >> is this sort of a snapshot? this she is going to get the nomination and is she going to rise above and this is all of this going to be meaningless? >> i think something was r

the fbi point. the fbi does not get that data. they get a subset. now, when concerns are raised about queries, the concern is not raised about querying international security investigation because everyone seems to agree you want to be able to. but querying that in other investigations. >> when we were doing our report inand discussing this issue with the fbi, they were not able to give us an example of that ever having happened. it is at the least extremely unlikely, and the judge referred to the possibility is remote if not entirely fierce. it's unlikely to come back in a criminal investigation, but as i said, if there is a connection, you wanted to be discoverable. >> thank you. thank you. >> senator tillis. >> mr. chair. i was glad to hear about the value of this program. many of us not on intelligence would have. it is important to understand why it is a useful and important tool. back to the point about declassification, some of the apprehension can relate to other bad actors reverse engineering how they can avoid detection if they know what p

host: do you have faith in the fbi director? guest: i think the interest is the national security establishment bureaucratically that wants mrs. clinton indicted so the fbi is probably going to be interested in doing that. the fbi is too often immune from criticism here in washington d.c. i do not believe that it is immune from criticism. in the irs case it was implicated in that scandal because they were involved with lois lerner. the fbi was not a disinterested party so they're doing the irs investigation and surprise, surprise, no criminal charges arise out of it. in this case, i don't think they've got that conflict, so maybe they'll do a better job. the fbi should be subject to the same scrutiny as any other federal agency. host: all right. we have sue from gothersberg, maryland. caller: i'm not sure people really understand the importance of what foia is. >> there are amazing amounts of information that they wouldn't have. i encourage folks to write a check to judicial watch because you're writing a check to save the count

brewed server, one by the way conducted reportedly by over 100 fbi agents -- fbi director jim comey says, security inquiry? i don't know that term. we investigate crimes. this is a law enforcement proceeding. i told you guys that three months ago. now, the cynics among you may say it's all political. but jim comey is appointed by barack obama. and he is one of the most clear-headed brilliant logical and honorable people in washington, d.c. a trait somewhat foreign to that town. and don't give me that woman thing where oh, it's time for a female president. yeah, it is. but not her. what makes you think that electing this woman who spent most of her career riding her husband's coattails is necessarily a good thing? doesn't it depend on the individual, man or woman? and for those of you who think the woman will automatically help other women, consider this -- the clinton foundation, an organization of which the clintons have control pays female employees 38 cents less per dollar than males. so much for that old pay inequality thing. supporting women? hillary made her bones creating the

we know the fbi is asking questions to people who work for her. probably going to interview her soon. is this e-mail-gate about to be behind her? can she put that behind her? >> i think short of a massive revelation on either side. either an all clear or finding of wrongdoing will not change a lot of minds. in some ways, we are going into the election with the least unknowns in a lot of ways than we have ever seen. the two candidates are well known by the public. a lot of the public has made up their minds. for folks who think the e-mail issue is a big concern, even a sort of no charges kind of finding, still gives her enemies the ammunition of well the fbi investigated her and her server. it is a talking point that really doesn't go away unless there is an absolutely no finding of wrongdoing, all clear. the justice department doesn't speak in the unequivocal terms. unless they find something damaging, you will not change the minds of her supporters. >> all right. interesting. tal, we will talk to you in a few minutes. >>> it is friday. jobs day i

that is fbi's information. shery: thank you very much for your time this morning. hart, chief information security officer for the fbi. coming up on bloomberg markets, as the close of trading is just minutes away, here are the major averages -- the s&p 500 gaining .7%. we are seeing the biggest two -day rally in seven weeks. the dow jones industrial average also up .9%, while the nasdaq is up .7%. we will have more when bloomberg markets is back. ♪ shery: this is bloomberg markets. i am shery ahn, standing in for betty liu. the markets close in about 10 minutes. julie hyman has your market check. julie, what are we looking at? julie: we are still looking at this rally, and i've been looking at the metrics over the last two days we have seen stocks higher. here is today, stocks holding steady repetition, with the dow leading, a gain of 150 points. if you look at the two days, you will see two it as more than 2% -- the largest two-day gain for the you -- the largest two-day gain for the s&p 500 going back to ma

one major step still left is for the fbi to interview secretary clinton. that is expected to happen in the next few weeks. so far, the investigation tells us the investigators have not shown that clinton willfully violated the law. it is clear that the server set up was not the proper way to store government sensitive information. it is important to add that this is still an ongoing investigation and once the fbi has done its work, they turnover the findings to the justice department. attorney general loretta lynch will have the final say to bring charges in the case. christine and miguel. >>> thank you, evan. hillary clinton blasting trump at a campaign rally last last night in california in front of a largely hispanic audience. accu accusing trump of doubling down with the deportation and building a wall. she is also nudging bernie sanders to quit the race. bringing up her campaign in 2008 against president obama. sanders says he is not dropping out anytime soon. >> i knew that he had won because it matters how many delegates you have. whether it's 60 or

>> well, i think some people in fbi are unhappy that other people in the fbi leaked this because they're not prepared to say what is theirs. the reporting today is based on speculation and putting little pieces of the puzzle together. >> we know he's been donating to political campaigns for a long time. >> yes. >> and has never been a problem before. >> correct. >> if he gave $120,000 to a political action committee, if that's not illegal at all. it's curious there would be a question about whether or not it's legal. that type of leak leads me to believe there is something else there. this leak is covering up something else that the fbi is working on and is not prepared to reveal. >> or investigating whether it's connected to anything else. >> right. he's not been charged or even accused of anything. >> i have to take him at his word. if this was a serious investigation of the governor, he would know about it. his lawyers would no about it and feds would be asked for documents of his lawyers. lawyers didn't know anything about it until they read about it or heard about it on cnn last nig

with the fbi, mr. hoover would have had a stroke if you did not know that the cia had operation chaos going on. the last thing the cia have done is disclosed to the bureau that they were working on their turf. i think interagency jealousies had part to do with it. the second thing, if you have a program going and are happy with its results, why take the risk that it might be turned off if the president decides she doesn't want you to do it? -- decides he doesn't want you to do it? they had no idea what decision the president might make. why should the cia run the risk that the president might say no? if they had admitted it, they would have to close the thing down. even the justice department did not know about it. it seems to me many of these agencies operated in their own world. they had their own programs going. they did not want anyone else to know it. i always have the illusion that the purpose of intelligence was provide policy makers with information to make policy. but policymakers don't even k

we do investigations here in the fbi. we asked him to address concerns, largely among government employees who hold security clearance and told fox news, if we did a fractions of what mrs. clinton and aides had done we would be in prison. director comey. said in this case there would be no special set of rules for anyone under the fbi investigation, jon. >> so the investigation obviously goes on. and with elsewhere were you able to ask him? >> the other main headlines was with isis. the fbi assesses isis as a prand power lost luster with recruits in the united states. in early 2015, they were seeing americans travel to iraq and that number drops to one a month. they believe the brand name of isis on social media is tarnished once people understand what life is like in the caliphate. the other major headline was on the increasing number of homicides in major u.s. centers. this is a number that continues to rise. they are not clear on why that is. and doesn't seem to be geogravy and other factors. mrs. clinton's explanation

the fbi badge, credentials and an fbi weapon were all stolen. it happened on sunday, the agent visiting the area with family left his items in his vehicle for ten minutes. that's when it was broken into. the special agent in charge of the field office says agents are provided to leave weapons in their cars provided they follow strict inconstructions. >> you can do it. the weapon has to be in a locked box connected to the car and it's in a locked trunk. >> reporter: this is just another situation of a gun getting stolen from a car. in september, a muralist was killed with a gun from an ice agent's car. >> if you have someone who can remanufacture fbi credentials, you have a serious problem on your hands. >> if you took all of the necessary steps, the disciplinary steps would be less. if it was aggravated, and c areless, they could be fired for that. >> the case is being investigated by the san francisco police and the fbi field office. >>> families are holding out hope even though one of the searches has been suspended. a former fbi agent believe

testimony by the fbi director william colby, lewallen, fbi informants, and others. >> we are here to review the major findings of our investigation of fbi including programs aimed at the messick targets. fbi surveillance of law-abiding -- at domestic targets. fbi surveillance of law-abiding citizens and cases of intelligence operations. chest but for the complete -- >>le, go to c-span.org for the complete schedule go to c-span.org. is touringr, c-span cities across the country exploring american history. next, a look at our recent visit to hattiesburg, mississippi. you're watching american history tv. all weekend, every weekend on c-span 3. >> we are in special collections at the university of southern mississippi. today we are looking at the theodore bilbo papers. his collection is very large. [laughter] we have over 2500 boxes of archival material relating to theodore bilbo. his career and his life. theodore bilbo -- and this is one of his signed photos that he would distribute to fans -- was a mississippi politician in the first half of the 20th century. his career started around

who won't say whether the fbi has questioned him. uses the same language. >> my understanding is this is a security review, certainly not a criminal investigation. >> it's an investigation. >> it's an inquiry into whether or not anyone put classified information where it shunts be. >> fox news asked director comey whether clinton and her aides would receive the same scrutiny as other government employees who receive security clearances. >> comey said he didn't want to comment on the clinton case and added there are no special rules for anybody under an fbi investigation. >>> up next, donald trump and republican lawmakers get ready for their close-up. here's what some fox affiliates around the country are covering. fox 21, greenville, south carolina, for new charges against a former north charleston police officer, michael slaying certificate facing a state murder charge in the death of an unarmed black motorist walter scott 13 months ago. new federal charges include violating scott's civil rights and obstruction of justice. >>> fox 4

that's what happened with the fbi. the attorney general came out with a series of attorney general guidelines to guide the fbi and prevent it from engaging in abuses in the future. the cia was engaging this this process before the church committee as the family jewels report suggests. they were reviewing their activity. i think that the cia did not -- the legislative charter for the cia was never approved for a variety of reasons. so the legislative portion of those reviews never reached fruition. there were a number of internal reviews and internal changes that took place as a result of the church committee inquiry and later the and that person has to report to kblg about what it finds about what he or she finds to be the problem internally. >> kate scott, thank you. >> thank you. >> our coverage, 40 years later continues. this is american history tv only on c-span 3. >> 40 years ago they created a committee to look into the u.s. intelligence services. they had a long title. the senate select committee with respect to

queries by the fbi i'd like to address that for a moment. the databases to see what the fbi already knows. these queries do not distinguish between u.s. persons and others because nationality is normally irrelevant to a criminal investigation. one of the fbi's databases contains subset under section 702 though none of the data directed upstream, so none of the about communications mr. medine references. may include this database with other databases even if the crime being investigated does not relate to national security. however, it is extremely unlikely that an fbi query in nonnational security investigation will hit on 702 data. some suggested requiring fbi to get court approval before conducting query of 702 information ended investigation of nonnational security crime. the board did not recommend this approach, and i think it would be a mistake. in the interest of time, i'll mention just one of several reasons why. requiring judicial approval for fbi queries would be a step toward reerecting the wall they have worked to break down sinc

with the fbi, mr. hoover would have had a stroke if you did not know that the cia had operation chaos going on. the last thing the cia have done is disclosed to the bureau that they were working on their turf. i think interagency jealousies had part to do with it. the second thing, if you have a program going and are happy with its results, why take the risk that it might be turned off if the president decides she doesn't want you to do it? they had no idea what decision the president might make. why should the cia run the risk that the president might say no? if they had admitted it, they would have to close the thing down. even the justice department did not know about it. it seems to me many of these agencies operated in their own world. they had their own programs going. they did not want anyone else to know it. i always have the illusion that the purpose of intelligence was provide policy makers with information to make policy. but policymakers don't even know that information is available, i don'

the fbi doesn't track those. the fbi, however, is by far we know from the board's report, the most active and frequent u.s. person querier. it's important to get that information. i heard ms. brand saying the fbi would have trouble figuring out who is a u.s. person in order to track these queries. the nsa does it. the cia does it. they're able to track the queries. i think the fbi should be able to as well. and just one quick point i was hoping to get in when senator whitehouse was talking about the incidental collection idea. there is a very important distinction between the cases that have upheld the incidental collection of people who are in communications with a target and what we're seeing with section 702. in those cases under title iii, criminal warrants, there was not only strict minimization procedures which was mentioned but there was also a warrant in the beginning to target the original suspect. and the courts have emphasized the important of that warrant on the front end. that provides protection for

and black bag jobs by the fbi. cia domestic spying program called chaos. covert operations abroad and other topics. >> there's a lot to get into, and i'm going to cover two of the reports and the investigations behind them here. the first is they're uncovering and documenting of foreign sass nations by the cia and the second is a limited review they conducted of some aspects of the kennedy assassination. i first want to say i think it's valuable work for castro and others because no doubt that the church committee did the whole idea of the cia would be one of these conspiracy theories we hear about all the reminiscent of some other matter that's before us. it's also striking how much i think things have changed in america since 1975. nowadays the u.s. openly conducts drone strikes against foreign adversaries. senior officialed call "bad guys." along with the classral damage farjs member, associates may or may not call themselves bad guys in the occasional wedding party. in 1975 by contrast it was a national scandal

brewed server one by the way conducted reportedly by over 100 fbi agents -- fbi director jim comey says security inquiry? i don't know that term. we investigate crimes. this is a law enforcement proceeding. i told you guys that three months ago. now, the cynics among you may say it's all political. but jim comey is appointed by barack obama. and he is one of the most clear-headed brilliant logical and honorable people in washington, d.c. a trait somewhat foreign to that town. and don't give me that woman thing where oh, it's time for a female president. yeah it is. but not her. what makes you think that electing this woman who spent most of her career riding her husband's coattails is necessarily a good thing? doesn't it depend on the individual man or woman? and for those of you who think the woman will automatically help other women, consider this -- the clinton foundation an organization of which the clintons have control pays female employees 38 cents less per dollar than males. so much for that old pay inequality thing. supporting women? hillary made her bones creating the attack t

the fbi when you were in romania? >> i had 2014 in march. >> clinton aide huma abedin have been interviewed as part of the investigation. the source would not speak on the record about the probe but said she was questioned. under the espionage act, intent is not required. mrs. clinton addressed some of the issues. >> have you been contacted boo ithe fbi to set up an interview? >> no. >> no contact there? >> no. >> any indication your private server was hacked by foreign hackers? >> no, not at all. >> the clinton campaign said in a statement today she is encouraging her aides to answer questions though there was no reference to the fbi or her i.t. manager who struck an immunity deal and took the fifth of capitol hill. >>> thank you there was a disappointing jobs report today. the u.s. adding 160,000 jobs in april. the fewest in seven months. that keeps the unemployment rate the same at 5%. where it's been since last fall. president obama acknowledged the economic head winds today. >> the unemployment rate has been grow

we know the fbi will take it seriously. the pressure does it put pressure on doj to decide whether or not the fbi's findings are true. if they don't, depending what was actually found, donald trump could have a very serious general election ace in his hand. charles: but, guys, we already heard the attorney general say there is no deadline to this thing. they won't be forced politically to do it but do you think it adds pressure? in the court of public opinion they want answers now not later. >> this guy extradited to the united states. is this cry to potentially sell data or think he is selling data, something released might not be that sensitive. charles: we know democrats will say again, this is guy to your point, carl, has been extradited. he will say anything for any kind of favor right now, but, will this put some pressure, pete on the justice department to take action quicker rather than later? >> no doubt they already do. whether there is timeline there is decision point, if they choose to indiet or not, fbi will pre

we'll have to find out what the fbi says about it. certainly bad judgment. >> reporter: clinton trying to get the focus back on trump. >> donald trump is an urgent threat to our rights and to our country. >> what she needs to do more than anything to try to fix her problem on the question of honesty and trustworthiness is get this whole thing behind her. >> reporter: but before this can all be wrapped up, the fbi director has to make a recommendation to the attorney general who has to make a final decision and tonight, a leading republican senator said administration cannot be trusted to investigate its own likely democratic nominee. calling instead for a special counsel. lester? >> andrea mitchell in san jose, thank you. >>> two u.s. navy fighter jets crashed off the coast of north carolina today. all four crew members safely ejected from the damaged fa-18s and were rescued. one had minor injuries. two were picked up by a fishing boat and others by a coast guard helicopter. the navy is calling it an in air mishap after initial report

what will the fbi get by interviewing abdin. she used a e-mail on the server and may voice serious concern of how to circumvent the law. and that could be a question. she and others were questioned likely about the 2200 classified documents on that system and not to mention 22 top secret materials. how did they end up on the unauthorized server and didn't you know they were classified and by the way, who made the decision to erase the markings and delete thousands of the e-mails and ordered this thing to be wiped clean. and these people could be in legal jeopardy, not to mention clint clinton. >> sources say there is no evidence that the former secretary of state intended to violate the you law. if that is the case, is she potentially still in trouble? we'll get into that after this. ♪ every auto insurance policy has a number. romania understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92

there's been no formal announcement from the fbi. it strikes me as interesting that the governor himself had never been noiied that he was target of an investigation. anything unusual about this coming to light in the way it did today? >> you know, i think a lot of investigations come to light before people in the justice department or the fbi would want them to. and i don't know that there's anything really funny about this coming to light. if anything, it surprises me that they were able to keep things quiet for over a year. >> matt zapotosky, a reporter with "the washington post," thanks for helping us understand this story. >>> a lot going on tonight, including something that is about to happen in washington tomorrow, something that has not been tried in washington in 140 years. that's coming up. >>> fair warning. there's a block coming up next on this show that i, uh, can pretty reliably expect will be a technical disaster. it involves, for good reason -- but it involves hiding an intern under a table. we have never done this on

fbi surveillance of law-abiding citizens and groups, political abuses of fbi intelligence, and several specific cases of intelligence operations. >> for the complete american history tv weekend schedule, go to c-span.org. tv,ext on american history author and wilfrid laurier university professor darren mulloy talks about the john birch society, a conservative advocacy group organized in the late 1930's. -- latent -- late 1950's. c-span tv interviewed mulloy in organization of american historians in providence, rhode island. this is about 10 minutes. >> what is the john birch society? prof. mulloy: the john birch society is a conservative political organization formed in 1958 in indianapolis, and has its headquarters in massachusetts. it was very prominent in the 1960's in particular. >> what was the purpose behind the john birch society? prof. mulloy: they were an anti-communist organization. they opposed and feared that communism would subvert the united states. more broadly, they opposed collectivism of all times, so they were opposed to many manifestations of the welfare state. they

are you in the fbi? >> when he was asked about what did you find, it's all incorrect. >> breaking in is the crime. just the fact that he hacked in. >> there's no evidence he actually did it. >> he posted stuff online. >> which was inaccurate. he got stuff from blumenthal. did he break into hillary clinton's? >> how did he get it? >> i said it was -- >> blumenthal is a different. >> why is he talking to the fbi about it? >> he's a criminal. >> about this specific situation. i guess he wants, he's hoping he can has got something to get him out of trouble. >> i think part of the reason why the story is treated lightly like this. even though the "times" broke it whenever something becomes at fox news, it gets the fox news story syndrome. where it's like we can't do that story, because fox news is doing it. this is always the case. with, look at benghazi. benghazi was treated like a joke on comedy central, msnbc. because we, we pushed that story because we believed something horrible happened. >> and the bord

one on the cia and one on the fbi. on the cia, post 9/11 a read a report in the "washington post" saying the cia has become a highly efficient killing machine. >> yeah. >> this goes to the question of the use of drones. and we know that that's something we didn't have to deal with on the church committee because drones and missiles and the rest weren't there. this is something that is of concern for a number of reasons, including whether or not the use of drones for basically target assassinations is bumping up executive order and that. they say enemy combatants is the way they are allowed to get around assassin prohibition. the whether it has evolved to a central action agency and is losing its central function of collecting intelligence to inform decision making. president obama has said and john brennan has said they think this should be off-loaded to the pentagon. my question is, are you concerned about this evolution of the cia, and do you believe these kinds of actions, which will certainly continue into the futu

, you can't lie to the fbi. that's a crime. guess what? the fbi can lie to you when they're interrogating you. harris: oh, yeah. >> they have free will to lie to you. do you think she ever sits down with them? >> the exhaustion of this other than all the things we just covered why is there always a second set of rules for the clintons? they can get away with anything. if this were public or dick cheney the media would be all over it, the fbi would be all over it. because she is liberal and queen hillary being anointed despite the fact she is not earning it right now she will let her get away with it. if we actually found out what were in the emails it would be bad news for democratic party. it is shady and mafia style from top down. >> bad news that bernie sanders seems to have stolen the scepter. white house insisting there will be no apology. controversy over president obama's historic upcoming visit to hiroshima where america dropped a atomic bomb. first for sitting president. why the visit may still be seen

the fbi is investigating him. if donald trump were smart, he would talk about the tactics, he would talk about the details of the legal matter, rather than painting it in one broad stroke. it doesn't do well democrats or independents. the swing voters he needs to get and she needs to get. >> let's talk about that strategy, alan. in a general election matchup, what does clinton need to focus on to beat donald trump? >> well, she might want to focus on the fact that he's going to be standing trial for fraud for trump university. here you have a guy -- >> come on, alan. >> true. >> it's true. >> what do you mean? it's true. he's going to be defending himself taking the witness stand in a trial where he's been accused of defrauding people. >> first of all, alan, that's great. you're going to bring up a business dispute. hillary clinton's issue is that while secretary of state she exposed national secrets. >> there's no evidence of that. >> no evidence of that. >> there's no evidence but obviously that's being investig