his books include the mind of thomas jefferson and jefferson's empire. in the new book is thomas jefferson and the entire into te imagination, ms. annette gordon reed is reviewing how character studies of demand for monticello that we thought we knew. presidential historian john praises and i quote with characteristics or insight they've produced a powerful and lasting portrait of the mind of thomas jefferson. this is an essential and brilliant book by two of the nation's foremost scholars, a book that will endure. we are so pleased to have been here with us this evening. please join me in welcoming annette gordon-reed and peter to the library. plus the [applause] >> thank you. it's wonderful to be here with one of my very best friends, annette gordon-reed. we would like to start by talking a little bit about our friendship. the secret is i wouldn't have done this but if it hadn't been for inviting me and the opportunity to spend time with her so that is a serious scholar i am. [laughter] i need to make a better argument. >> people ask us how we ca cameo

his books include the mind of thomas jefferson and jefferson's empire. in their new book "most blessed of the patriarchs: thomas jefferson and the empire of the imagination" annette gordon-reed and peter onuf present a character study of the man from monticello who we thought we knew. presidential historian john makem phrases with characteristic insight and intellectual rigor annette gordon-reed and peter onuf have produced a powerful and lasting portrait of the mind of thomas jefferson. this is an essential and brilliant book by two of the nation's for most scholars, a book that will, like its protagonists indoor. we are so pleased to have them here with us this evening. latest gentlemen please join me in welcoming annette gordon-reed and peter onuf to the free library. [applause] >> bank you very much. it is wonderful to be here and to be here with one of my best friends, annette gordon-reed. we would like to talk a little bit about that friendship. i would not have done this book if it hadn't been for annette gordon-reed inviting me and an opportunity

his books include the mind of thomas jefferson, and jefferson's empire. in their new book, "most blessed of the patriots: thomas jefferson and the empire of the imagination," they present a reviewing character study of a man from monticello who we thought we knew. presidential historian john that come prices come at a quote with characteristic, insight and intellectual rigor and then annette gordon-reed and peterit onuf produced a powerful and lasting portrait of the mind of thomas jefferson. this is an essential andoremosto brilliant book by two of the nation's foremost scholars, a book that will, like its protagonists and, into her. we are so pleased to have them here with us this evening. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming annetteto gordon-reed and peter onuf to the free library. [applause] >> thank you verthank you very . it's wonderful to be your ended the year with one of my very best friends, annette gordon-reed. we were just like to start by talking a lot about our for your friendship. the secrets i wouldn't have done this book if i

what was jefferson thinking? it is important to bring up what might seem like an old, boring story to and that is, jefferson and his fellow revolutionaries that they were changing the world by attacking monarchy, aristocracy, aristocracy, privilege, established churches, all of these forms of inequality and second-class citizenship. they were struggling against the tyranny of george the third, they were killing the king, his role have become unnatural because he was making war on his own subjects. people who, in america revered him until the imperial crisis that led to independence.or in other words, king george was a bad father. we get back to the notion of fatherhood and a simple way to understand what mobilized a loth of men, the very independent men of virginia who thought well of themselves and still do in the first families, to think of george the third is somebody who challenged their own patriarchy, there fatherhood on their fit plantations and in the families. there fatherhood was incompatible with the w

his books include, the mind of thomas jefferson, and jefferson's empire. in their new book, most blessed of patriot, thomas jefferson, ms. gordon reed in they presented a character study the man from monticello who we thought we knew. presidential historian john makem praises and i quote, with characteristic insight and intellectual rigor and an they have produced a powerful and lasting portrait of a mind of thomas jefferson. this is an essential and brilliant book by two of the nation's foremost scholars. scholars. a book that will, like its protagonist, into her. we are so pleased to have them here with us this evening. ladies and gentlemen, please please join me in welcoming and that gordon reed and peter, to the free library [applause]. >> it is wonderful to be here and to be here with one of my best friends. we would just like to start by talking about our friendship. the the secret is, i would not have done this book if it had not been for her. >> the idea for this book and i would say it began sometime in the 1990s when i had written a manuscript ab

jefferson does that. it's not that he doesn't want his daughters, but he wants them as the marines want you to be, all that you can be. that was the misapplication of something. the point is serious. what do you think about this? for instance, with his granddaughters and their ability to learn. >> i mean, the letter that he writes when she's 12, he's a middle-aged guy who's lost his life. he has two daughters.wi he has no idea what to say to don. he's lost the separate spheres of male and female. he gradually over the time, by the time he gets granddaughters, he knows what to say. he knows how to talk to young women. i'm not saying you are attacking him. i'll qualify in this notion about pete thinks he's being the dutiful father and all of that. he is somewhat thick. that it comes from a place of panic perhaps. you know, how am i going to do this. they don't have a mother. i am now in control of this. what do i do. >> even the idea -- >> we should go on.l we argue all the time. >> is a man in a black cat.

peter onuf is author of jefferson's empire, among several works on jefferson and he is the thomas jefferson memorial foundation professor at uva. he is thomas jefferson professor at mister jefferson's university. no pressure there at all. "most blessed of the patriarchs," thomas jefferson and the empire of imagination. much conversation about jefferson is on the contradiction between the ideal he imagined for the nation and the details of his own life and one of the strengths of this book is it is not a defense and not an attack. jefferson's aspirations were inextricably linked to his limitations. the book explores his for self perception and does so in part by focusing on the action at monticello which reflects him as a few places can. i am excited to hear from them so i will get out of the way. they will speak 25 minutes and take your questions. it is my pleasure to introduce annette gordon reed and peter onuf. [applause] >> thank you, great to be here and great to be here with my good friend annette gordon reed. she didn't know we were going to be good friends when she first encountered

adams and jefferson running against each other and jefferson come second in that one and they do the rematch in 1800 and jefferson prevails. new york is the swing state in that election. it is looming very, very large. it is hamilton on this island. whoever wins the state wednesday theidency, setting up confrontation. i admit the third face-off does not have so much a compelling new york angle. lincoln, tawney, neither has a reference.k but he does have the cooper address. it is key to lincoln's success. the fourth one is one of the most new york stories of all. charles evan hughes, the hughes court against -- the chief justice against franklin roosevelt. both new yorkers, both former governors of new york, both studied at columbia. they are friendly actually, although one is a democrat and a republican. when they refer to each other -- "governor." "governor." there are the four were spent of the apocalypse to made life very difficult for frank when roosevelt and it's a very new york story. courtrse, the current headed by a new yorker, born in buffalo, learned law in new york city fr

once with jefferson once with ad matteson, but died in the second term. given their age, neither man was viewed as a competitor of the president, but declared a role .n balancing the party ticket as intended, the 12 amendment had brought american politics and the vice presidency more mine with how those institutions had already evolved. first, as stressed during the congressional debate, the amendment's it the national government from an emerging two-party structure so that the president and vice president would be chosen from the same majority party. second, except for leaving the office with an administrator role, showing the vice-president with thecket president, it moved the office from the legislative branch to the executive. with that, the american political structure was complete, and since that time, we have operated and evolved from that basic structure. thank you very much. [applause] >> interested in american history tv tackle visit our website, c-span.org. you can see the upcoming or visit a recent program. >> tonight, on "q&a," the u.s. histo

adams and jefferson running against each other and jefferson come second in that one and they do the rematch in 1800 and jefferson prevails. new york is the swing state in that election. it is looming very, very large. it is hamilton on this island. whoever wins the state wednesday presidency, setting up the confrontation. i admit the third face-off does not have so much a compelling new york angle. lincoln, tawney, neither has a big new york reference. lincoln manages to win at the convention. but he does have the cooper address. it is key to lincoln's success. the fourth one is one of the most new york stories of all. charles evan hughes, the hughes court against -- the chief justice against franklin roosevelt. both new yorkers, both former governors of new york, both studied at columbia. they are friendly actually, although one is a democrat and a republican. when they refer to each other -- "governor." "governor." roberts is not the most extreme republican on that court. they were nicknamed the four horsemen of the apocalyptic -- apocalypse. to make life very difficult for frank

jefferson, jefferson davis, the president of a failed state. where would he rank, as well as his counterpart, abraham lincoln. you know, the fact that you could even vote for him in 12 or 13 states says a lot about how hated he was at that time. >> well, again, that's an interesting comment about how hated lincoln was at the time. his election was, in many ways, the trigger. i think it gets to the point we're all making about the difference in historical judgment and how one is seen at the time by the citizenry of one's own time. lots of presidents are hated. franklin roosevelt, the whole -- all those people who would refer to him as "that man." but then over time, you know, republicans kind of let go of that. fdr is one of newt gingrich's favorite presidents. they find ways to take what they admire, so lincoln now is kind of on all sides. there are probably a few neoconfederate lincoln haters out there, but that has mostly become an irrelevant point of view. fdr hating mostly irrelevant. even jfk is embraced by the right for his tax cuts and t

and i don't get the sense of thomas jefferson that that was a thing for him. i think he-- everything was always taken care of and he was brilliant. so he had the freedom to sort of be brilliant and not really worry about if it was good. this idea of good doesn't seem to come into place necessarily. >> rose: and we continue with a major talent manager, his name is scooter braun and he represents people like justin bieber and kayne west. >> if you would ask the 15 year old me how much money do you need to be happy, i already passed that number a long time ago. so my success, and i take pride, is showing people that i am a father to my son. that i am a good husband to my wife. that i can work with people like a carly coss. a justin bieber, a carly ray jep sen, kayne, and can i have a very, very good life. >> rose: daveed diggs and scooter braun, when we continue. funding for charlie rose is provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multinedia news and information services worldwide. >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> ro

daveed: jefferson is just back from paris. lafayette has just left for paris at the end of act one, jefferson comes back from paris in act ii. charlie: did you know it would be big when you started at the public theater? daveed: there was immediately a lot of attention. it was popular. also it was a 300 seat theater. amazing people were coming, it was thrilling. but i don't think there was any way to predict how popular it would get. charlie: you said you have seen a lot of your grandfather and -- in thomas jefferson. daveed: there is this quality to our thomas jefferson where, he has to be incredibly charismatic, and also have this element of danger. my grandfather was always a hustler. you know, he is the kind of person who would show up, then disappear. whenever he was around, he was the dude you wanted to be next to. i took a lot of that, specifically his walk, the walk i use for jefferson is the one i --ember -- my grandfathers grandfather's gait. it was passed down to all the men in my family. so i stole it. charlie: you

jefferson. >> jefferson has no part in this conversation, ok? [laughter] >> well, how can you do that? i mean, i agree with you. having studied reagan recently, i would rate him neither the best or the worst. i would rate him as one of the most significant of the 20th century because i think he changed american politics, founded a new conservative movement. american politics since has taken place in the context of reagan. but i think he does have one possible claim to greatness, which is the end of the cold war in the second term. i ended up making a case that reagan's second term, in relation to the union was not continuation of his first term but a repudiation of his first term and he took a radical disarmament that put him severely at odds with just about everyone else in his administration with the exception of george schultz who he really clung to and protected for that reason. it does not add up. what reagan does in the second term does not fit very well with so many of the things he said

charlie: you said you have seen a lot of your grandfather and thomas jefferson. -- in thomas jefferson. daveed: there is this quality to our thomas jefferson where, he has to be incredibly charismatic, and also have this element of danger. my grandfather was always a hustler. you know, he is the kind of person who would show up, then disappear. whenever he was around, he was the guy you wanted to be next to. that, a lot of specifically his walk, the walk i use or jefferson is when i micaher i grandfather, -- -- my grandfather's gait. it was passed down to all the men in my family. charlie: you have both told me the play, when we did an interview on stage, for the first time, you felt like your -- you own your own history. daveed: as an american, for sure. you don't always feel particularly american growing up as a person of color in this country. like parts offeel the process aren't for you. know, beinge, you followed around in stores or whatever, not seeing anybody like your self represented in the political process, you don't feel like parts of it are for you. all of a sudden, here,

daveed: jefferson is just back from paris. lafayette has just left for paris at the end of act one, jefferson comes back from paris in act ii. charlie: did you know it would be big when you started at the public theater? daveed: there was immediately a lot of attention. it was popular. also, it was a 300 seat theater. amazing people were coming, it was thrilling. but i don't think there was any way to predict how popular it would get. charlie: you said you have seen a lot of your grandfather and -- in thomas jefferson. that you portray. daveed: there is this quality to our thomas jefferson where, he has to be incredibly charismatic, and also have this element of danger. my grandfather was always a hustler. you know, he is the kind of person who would show up, then disappear. whenever he was around, he was the dude you wanted to be next to. i took a lot of that, especially his walk, the walk i use for jefferson is the one i remember -- my grandfather's gait. it was passed down to all the men in my family. so i stole it. charlie

once with jefferson and once with medicine. he died during the second term. -- madison. since that time we have operated and evolved from that basic structure. thank you very much. [applause] >> i love american history tv. >> it is something i really enjoy. >> it gives you that perspective. >> i am a c-span fan. >> madam secretary, we probably to 72 of our delegate votes the next president of the united states. ♪ >> coming up next, a panel discussion titled worst president ever. mosteast successful and forgotten presidents in american history. what makes the present the worst enemy offered nominees the title. the americans historians annalee -- annual meeting held in rhode island. it is 90 minutes. host: welcome to the oah 2016 and welcome to the plenary panel, "worst president ever."

he had been secretary of state for eight years under jefferson. so he had no real experience running the nation. he did not have to make any real decisions. he was simply incompetent. he took on, he left most of jefferson's cabinet in place and took on political hacks, especially the secretary of state. he replaced himself with a republican leader from congress. that secretary of state did a disastrous job. the british had signed a peace treaty with the americans in ondon. it took a month or more for ships to cross the atlantic. before the ship could bring the copies of the treaties here, madison was talked into invading canada to show off how strong we were. of course it was a disaster. yes sir? >> you alluded at the beginning, the fact that most americans don't recognize him as one of the great presidents. or they don't recognize him at all. what do you think is the reason for that? mr. unger: the other gentlemen asked that question, i think. the reason simply is that historians like to cover exciting battles, a lot of blood, a lot of action. an

do you trust william jefferson clinton? >> we have witnessed something that has never before happened in all of senate history. the change of power during a session of congress. >> what the american people still don't understand in this bill is there are three areas in this bill that in the next five years will put the government in charge of everybody's health care. >> plus, an interview with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> i'm sure i have made a number of mistakes in my political career. having voted against having c-span televised the senate is one of them. watch 30 years of the u.s. senate on television beginning thursday on c-span. to see more of our 30 years of coverage on the senate on c-span2, go to www.c-span.org.

, jefferson's descendents. the reason that matters is because there's a group of people they are a group are where descendents of thomas jefferson by way of sally hemings. they are not officially recognized by the family even though they are officially recognized by monticello. you have a disagreement at this property about who is part of the jefferson family. because the official jefferson family still does not recognize the hemings this thing is, they are not eligible to be buried in the family plot. every so often you hear of an effort to bring that group into the fold, so to speak your so just one more example of how these issues come back up, even something that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago still matters today. great question ago. [inaudible] >> there are colleges in the jefferson cemetery? i didn't look closely enough to be sure. i will look for the tell tale signs of cheese when i go back. >> you mentioned zachary taylor and the cherries and the new. are there any other strange causes of d

you're at 78% in jefferson county and she has a lead in jefferson county. so you see the number of votes higher than you'll see in the rural counties. if you're the clinton campaign you're hoping it's the last 20% plus comes in here and the margins stay the same. if it stays that way she eekz out a victory. coal country, a decent possibility of votes here. we have nothing so far from hopkins county. we are checking why the counties are so slow. a chance for bernie sanders because as you see he's winning in webster county. he's winning by a significant margin there. only 71% of the vote in. reasonable to expect that senator sanders picks up more here, but in the larger county of hopkins can he pick up a decent amount of votes. and here in warren county, senator sanders winning, but 84% in. if that margin continues senator sanders will add some votes. there's no guarantee of that. if you're in the campaign war rooms right now you're doing what we're doing, you're checking in with these counties right now. you have 28 votes separating the two candidates and if

then individuals like jefferson davis reproduce racist ideas to either challenge those bills or to defend those existing racist policies so in the neck show typically we have been taught that ignorance and hate has led to racist ideas and individuals to have these racist ideas essentially have created these policies have impacted the lives over the course of american in history and what i found through studying the history of racist ideas that the connection has been quite the opposite and we have differentiated between these powerful producers influential like jefferson davis or donald trump but these powerful producers of ideas i've differentiating between them and the consumer of those ideas of people like us and i studied the history why were they producing these ideas? people created racist ideas to justify the slave trade into justify slavery and treated racist ideas to justify segregation and though create racist ideas to justify mass incarceration so refined we have these policies in place and people wercr

and that was jefferson just then. what i love. that song, the moment when you turn around and say, "what did i miss?" is a huge laugh in the musical because you've been away while hamilton and others have been back here fighting the revolution. >> thomas jefferson missed everything being a rock star in france. he was a symbol of american democracy so he was literally like rock star lifestyle, and shows back up in the u.s. and is given the the job of secretary of state just sight unseen. just shows up, "here, you're secretary of state, cool." that's pretty much thomas jefferson's whole life. >> stephen: the first secretary of state. he did a little bit of work. >> and had a lot of leisure time and invented things. >> stephen: exactly. i don't know how he planted all those crops by himself. >> i know. >> stephen: how did he have all that leisure time? >> he was so busy. >> stephen: amazing, amazing. >> just pushing a plow. >> stephen: and both jefferson and lafayette, is there one-- lafayette, of course, people who don't know, a fre

and that was jefferson j then. what i love. that song, the moment when you turn around and say, "what did i miss?" is a huge laugh in the musical because you've been away while hamilton and others have been back here fighting the revolution. >> thomas jefferson missed everything being a rock star in france. he was a symbol of american democracy so he was literally like rock star lifestyle, and shows back up in the u.s. and is given the the job of secretary of state just sight unseen. just shows up, "here, you're secretary of state, cool." that's pretty much thomas jefferson's whole life. >> stephen: the first secretary of state. he did a little bit of work. >> and had a lot of leisure time and invented things. >> stephen: exactly. i don't know how he planted all those crops by himself. >> i know. >> stephen: how did he have all that leisure time? >> he was so busy. >> stephen: amazing, amazing. >> just pushing a plow. >> stephen: and both jefferson and lafayette, is there one-- lafayette, of course, people who don't know, a fre

spec colleges in the jefferson cemetery? i did not looked close enough to be sure i will look when i go back. >> dimension in zachary taylor are there any other strange causes of death? >> other than garfield whose doctors did more damage than the bullets ever did the legend has it that harrison died because he stood out in the cold during his inaugural address without a hat and coat and spoke before two hours a did read the entire vote -- entirely inaugural address to put me to sleep but did not kill me it is still the record address it is long even for that number of warda goes by very slowly lot of talk about the pros and cons of using veto power and then when he turns back to the tale of history then roman history and daniel webster from my home state managed to call off the you wanted to call off the you wanted to mention but still not research recently that says people should look at the water system at the time because three presidents who die with a 10 year period it could easily be attributed to the terrible conditi

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so when adams beats jefferson the first time around in 1796, jefferson comes in second, and he is the vice president. they begin to emerge as heads of these competing factions, and you have the sitting president in the rematch running against the sitting vice president. and that's because they weren't quite thinking initially about -- think about very bluntly, the assassination, the very unstable precarious situation where a person who is a heartbeat away from all executive power thinks that the guy who has it is completely wrong on everything. that is not a great system, and the constitution is going to get amended after that rematch, jefferson adams rematch with aaron burr coming in to new york. the constitution is going to get amended, the 12 amendment, so you can vote separately for the president and the vice president. it's going to create the possibility, not yet fully implemented, but the possibility of having parties that runs late. our party proposes ask for president and his running mate why for vice president. that's when we made possible, the more modern system by the 12 a

there is george washington with thomas jefferson and thomas jefferson engage with a war of words with alexander hamilton. if you told someone this was going to happen, they would say show me. how will it change you? personally and professionally? the great thing about theater, i think, is you do it eight times a week, so it is almost a religious experience when you are doing theater because you are repeating the same words every night. you are listening to the same words every night. help but have an indelible print on your soul after you are done with a theater piece. as an actor, i've tried to pick my theater pieces carefully because of that very thing. you end up getting infected by whatever sort of message the show is. you sing it every night. it is like a prayer, almost, every night. areront of an audience you sharing this thing every night and it becomes a part of you. being surrounded by lin's energy alone. roomnd i share a dressing shared it the year his studio apartment in midtown. [laughter] he is such an inspirational human being. being surrounded by him, you want to take i

actually did a lot to influence jefferson's selection. he couldn't stand him. but he knew bird was a scoundrel and the country need to be saved from him. that occurred in here. and then they developed the library of congress in here, too. host: but it would have been this.ifferent than was it this -- senator mcconnell: i think the walls must have been configured differently. the house, subsequently, for many years, until the expansion in 1850, plated in statuary -- operated in statuary hall acoustics were terrible. they couldn't hear each other, literally could not hear each other. were quitetes stressful because people could not -- the acoustics were just awful. that was one of the factors, in addition to winning the mexican led to the expansion decision to build a house wing wing.senate host: this room has got a number of things i want to talk about to stay with the history of it. 1800 was important but also 1814 important. senator mcconnell: it sure was. host: what happened? senator mcconnell: they developed the library of congress here. british invaded wash

then jefferson, jefferson, how jefferson schemed to win the presidency. you know that. >> he was strategically, i don't think he schemed. here is what comes out of his book about jefferson, one, jefferson was a political creature. and i mean whatever else he did. >>s that what it. >> he was a political creature. and he was ambivalent about it which is why he, you know, wanted to remember him as the author of the declaration, the founder ofu va. >> and it is said about the bush 41 and the-- you know, that the bush family sort of wanted to say about, you knee, we want to govern an we're really good at governing, but we'll do everything we can to get elected wily horton exhibit one. hiring the group of people that he hired to run the campaign. i mean, roger ailes was a principal advisor to george bush. >> sure. >> i love him, knowing to see him in the last-- and enjoyed his company, have received letters from him. but at the same time, to the point that was being made here, the course of american politics is not new. >> no. and i think it's forever hyperboli

many of the name she think of, george washington, james madison, benjamin franklin, thomas jefferson and the idea really in chart was that the new constitutional order created, which we take for granted in our day was really in the process of being built and they turned to education as one central way of trying to foster in further the kind of political culture, the kind of education they thought was necessary to sustain that constitutional order. >> host: what would it look like? what we teach? >> guest: what's really unique about the idea of a national university at the time is that, i mean, first week it goes back two centuries and think what the dark educationalists institutions look like and today what we think are now institutional education, harvard, yale, princeton, that is not what they looked like at the time. at the time they were by and large parochial institutions and theology was often the organizing basis of the curriculum and is so against that backdrop there was an idea that we had a profound dispatch between our educational institutions and the republican form of go

and the only votes are two precincts here in jefferson county? >> yes. so you're looking at precinct 152 and precinct 156. >> and the maximum number of democratic votes there are how many? >> possible democratic votes between, total between the two precincts, 769. >> is that by registration? how do you know that number? >> yes, it's possible by registration. >> all right. so if you're looking at the vote count we have now, obviously even if senator sanders is behind at the moment by 1813, in that county, secretary clinton has been written winning by a healthy margin. even if he won 769 of those votes, it's obviously not enough. she would still have a lead of more than 1,000 votes if he won them all, and yet, you can't say tonight by law, you can't declare a winner tonight, is that my understanding? >> the results tonight as you see from the secretary of state's office all remain unofficial. i do believe though that base odd whan we're seeing coming in that kentucky will remain in a win column for the clintons. >> win column for the clintons been you just

there is george washington with thomas jefferson and thomas jefferson engaged with a war of words with alexander hamilton. if you told someone this was going to happen, they would say show me. so how will it change you? i mean, personally and professionally? jonathan: the great thing about theater, i think, is you do it eight times a week, so it is almost a religious experience when you are doing theater because you are repeating the same words every night. and you are listening to the same words every night. and it can't help but have an indelible print on your soul after you are done with a theater piece. as an actor, i've tried to pick my theater pieces carefully because of that very thing. you end up getting infected by whatever sort of message the show is. because you sing it every night. it is like a prayer, almost, every night. in front of an audience, you are sharing this thing every night and it becomes a part of you. being surrounded by lin's energy alone. lin and i share a dressing room , and we call it the year we shared his studio apartment in midtown. [laughter] that alon

although, west point port jefferson's most important scientific terms at the time and in times of the scientific developed that will come out of it. >> host: is their dissent allowed at military academies? >> guest: yes, i think. in a place like west point encouraged is maybe too strong a word, but it's a genuine liberal arts education and a genuine liberal arts education means that while we want to cultivate certain understandings of politics and certain habits of mind that will be essential for leadership, part of those habits in a liberal democratic country are going to be very open-ended and subject to serious questioning and that's something that's those who think about the national university are acutely aware of early on. they want to really sort of teach the range of ideas about politics and government even while tried to cultivate a particular understanding and i think you see some of that west point and we actually see that beyond west point in many ways. we are very open when we teach in terms of liberal arts about the be right-- fridays of the whole experience and we reall

>> it is an idea of the number of leading founders of franklin in jefferson and the idea was the new constitutional order of which we take for granted in our day was in the process to be built and they turn to education as the central way to foster the political culture and education is necessary. >> what would that look like? like? >> what is unique at the time is if we go back to centuries what does that look like in the day? that is not what they look like by and large parochial sectarian institutions with the basis of the curriculum to have a mismatch between the educational institutions and prior to the constitutional convention said that they are remnants of a theocratic political order and it was one idea that was floated to alter education. >>. >> host: dell we have several national universities? >> we do. is a large form i started to count the number of times that people said don't we already have a national university? and then they say harvard but there are institutions that our national in reaching and share some aspects and certainly how they reorganize their own underst

employee for jefferson. he still has the legal ownership over him, and jefferson promises to free him, and he does. so here he is, he learns how to manage these particular people. now, i hasten to add, as i said before, these people, james and sally hemings, are not like the other slaves down the mountain. you know, he is not making any deal with them. and those are the people about whom -- i mean, we're concerned about the hemings as well, i wrote a whole book about them. but you're thinking about the enslaved people who are not in his blood family. what is their, what are their prospects? what is their future? so people he knows, he sees himself acting as a slave holder to the people who are in his family, and he is treating them in ways that most slaves, enslaved people are not treated. >> we have one minute, and we want a really good question that can be answered yes or no. [laughter] >> no takers? see, you scared everybody. >> oh! [laughter] >> you scared us. >> how about a lousy question, it doesn't ha

sharon chin reports on this week's jefferson award winner. >>> reporter: more than 1,000 kids aged 4 through 18 parade into uc-berkeley's edwards stadium with their track club. they take the athlete's oath and go for the gold. dr. mark alexander created this track meet in 2002. it's part of the youth movement program he founded for the "100 black men of the bay area." >> we designed this program using track and field as a hook to get young children involved in embracing healthy lifestyles. >> reporter: as an epidemiologist, dr. alexander saw many children at risk for health problems because they weren't getting enough exercise. >> many of these kids had never done pushups before in their lives. >> reporter: so he developed the youth movement program to improve the health and fitness of low income bay area children. it offers mentoring and year round cool clinic and -- it offers mentoring and year round school clinics and strength training, good nutrition and character development. dr. alexander developed the track meet as a celebration. and he named the events the tommie smith youth

that's hour our jefferson award winner next. >> and what's cool about your school? email your nomination to us at coolschools@kpix.com. we may come and feature your school on the show. ,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >>> well, today's tip of the day is going to be summertime peaches. it's summertime, but this time of year they are always coming a little bit on the smaller side. the sugar isn't really there but the season is long, they are going to get bigger and sweeter and they are going to get less expensive. so you see the market now, it's not going to be the season. but if you select and store them right even though they are pricy they are still pretty good. let's talk about selection and storage. don't compromise. when you buy them, you want to make sure nice color all the way around. skin free from any shriveling whatsoever. slight give to the touch. when you bring them home, on the counter not your refrigerator and enjoy it. but make sure you buy it right and enjoy it within that day or at the very most the next day. don't store them too long. it's great when you see thi

let me talk about jefferson. two great quotes of jefferson that i love, one that was in his notes on the state of virginia, this wonderful book he wrote that was really the first work of true american literature that has stood the test of time and this is a quote which was incorporated into the virginia constitution. congress and government and all else depends on the broadest possible diffusion of knowledge among the general population. now jefferson could not imagine a digital where all knowledge was digitized. where the internet and search engines and servers could be at your fingertips to have that broadest possible diffusion of knowledge among the general population. he could not have imagined it but he was still talking about the world that we live in. the notion that diffusion of knowledge to all, would be great for the individual but would also be great for society and would be a guardian against tyranny in an era where if information was available to all rather than just to some. he also said the light a

jefferson -- [applause] -- thomas jefferson was only half kidding when somebody asked him, what would you prefer, mr. jefferson, a government without a free press or a free press without a government? he'd say i'd prefer the later. we do not have a free press for most hours on television and radio. we have a commercial investment using our property free, the public airwaves. tomorrow will be the most coordinated, informed, diverse critique of the mass commercial media ever brought together in one day. and one of them -- [applause] mr. nader: -- and one of the presenters will be arguably the greatest promoter of the first amendment in the 20th century, phil donahue. nobody -- [applause] mr. nader: -- nobody demonstrated a belief in the first amendment like phil donahue. he brought on his show, again and again, people who despised him, who disagreed with him, who assailed him, that's the ultimate test of the belief in first amendment. he will discuss how he broke through one taboo that was conventional taboo for most of the other media after another, and opened huge areas of american li

on july 16, jefferson davis sent johnston of blood telegram. i desire to hear from you specifically as to the situation and your plans so i can anticipate events. johnston sent a message that was so vague and some most meaningless. the enemy outnumbers me to one. my plan depends on the enemy. not much of a plan. i'm looking for a chance to fight and fortify the city. incentive is a message suggesting that they remove the prisoners of war in andersonville which was 120 miles south of atlanta. what does that mean? did it mean that johnston was contemplating retreating all the way down to andersonville? davis was convinced that atlanta must be held for both logistical and political reasons. it was an election coming up in the northern states. on july 17, after a long time of thinking it over, davis sent an order to atlanta removing johnston from command. we'll have time to get into all the details. there is a wonderful book where he covers this better than i have seen anywhere else. if you want a detailed discussion, which shows beyond any doubt t

davis sent jefferson johnston of blood telegram. i desire to hear from you specifically as to the situation and your plans so i can anticipate events. johnston sent a message that was so vague and some most meaningless. the enemy outnumbers me to one. my plan depends on the enemy. not much of a plan. i'm looking for a chance to fight and fortify the city. incentive is a message suggesting that they remove the prisoners of war in andersonville which was 120 miles south of atlanta. what does that mean? did it mean that johnston was contemplating retreating all the way down to andersonville? davis was convinced that atlanta must be held for both logistical and political reasons. it was an election coming up in the northern states. time of17, after a long annking it over, davis sent order to atlanta removing johnston from command. we'll have time to get into all the details. there is a wonderful book where better than i have seen anywhere else. if you want a detailed discussion, which shows beyond any doubt that davis was justified in r