having everyone leave libya has been bad for libya. you have to get enough security back end, that you can get participants in the libyan economy. one of the key things i learned in talking to people at the imf about libya, i said what reforms can we put in place? they said there is not anything you can do. if libya is not pumping oil, you cannot be successful. oil is responsible for 90% of government revenues. are pumpingey 150,000 barrels a day. the price of oil is one quarter of what it used to be. it doesn't work. then you will have real chaos. the current economic problems and the security conditions are intimately linked with the political. we keep looking at security and what we're going to do about daesh. we will continue airstrikes. we have had two so far of against terrorists. we have done training and equipping the libyans in the past. we're going to offer more. we've secured a successful at ministerial-- inisterial communique agreement earlier this week. 22 countries including it every in the region. all are agreeing on the

having everyone leave libya has been bad for libya. in terms of foreigners, you have to get enough security back in . things iof the key learned in talking to people at the imf about libya, i said what reforms can we put in place? with public financial management, good government, illuminating corruption, getting rid of duplicative salaries, and so on and so forth. they said there is not anything you can do. if libya is not pumping oil, you cannot be successful. oil is responsible for 90% revenue. pretty close to 100%. right now, 150,000 barrels a day. 1/10 of the price of oil was one fourth of what it used to be. three minutes? i will not get to all four sections, or even section one. it doesn't work. corn,ll eat up all of the and then you have real chaos. the current economic problems and the security conditions are intimately linked with the political. so, we keep looking at security and what we're going to do about daesh. and airstrikes, well, we have had two so far of against terrorists. if you had one you can have two, avenue can

everyone who has left libya has been bad for libya. you have to get enough security back in to get participants. now one of the key things i learned in talking to people about libya, what reforms can be put in place with a management and eliminating corruption and so on and so forth? that would make the difference. they said there isn't anything you could do if libya isn't pumping oil. it's not quite 100 but it's pretty close. they're pumping, what, 150,000 barrels a day, three minutes. we're not going to be able to get through all four sections. we're in section one. so one-tenth. oil is one-fourth what it used to be. doesn't work. we're going to eat up all libya's seed corn and then you have real chaos. the current problems and the security conditions are intimate ly interlinked. we'll continue air strikes. we've had two so far against terrorists. if you have one, you can have two. we've done training and equipping of libyans in the past or offered it. done a little of it. we're going to offer more. we have a communique, an agreement

having everyone leave libya has been bad for libya. you have to get enough security back in seeking get participants in the economy. i learnede key things in talking to people at the imf what --bya, i said reforms can we put in place? they said there is not anything you can do. it's libby is not pumping oil, you cannot be successful. is not quite a hundred close to. -- were not can it be able to get to all four sections. 1/10 of the price of oil was one fourth of what it used to be. it doesn't work. then you will have real chaos. the current economic problems and the security conditions are intimately linked with the political. we keep looking at security and what we're going to do about daesh. we have had two so far of against terrorists. done training and equipping the libyans in the past. we're going to offer more. we've secured a successful communique agreement earlier this week. it everyies including in the region. all are agreeing on the same thing. exemption from the arms embargo to take on terrorists. which we support and will

testimony to libya. when i was in benghazi with the libyan forces there, they said that the snipers and the suicide bombers were all foreign. the same thing was said when they were retaken. when we look at recountering the state, you have to understand the case by case basis that the roads are quite different. essentially sirte. i think the accepttation ran up against a barrier that pushed it out. so that allows itself to insert itself and how far the state can expand. they inserted itself into an islamist militia. it flipped the shield members and enjoyed support from the social fabric of key neighborhoods under assault by operation dignity. it was bolstered by foreigners coming in from abroad and by boat. the main stronghold is where the original infrastructure proved so critically. they went to sirte and really played a role in coopting tribes and tribal mediation in flipping the progadhafi tribes that faced discrimination. that's what the state played upon. this notion that you are the losers and we

. >> (chanting): libya, libya! >> narrator: first, benghazi. five years after the revolution in libya... the city is a war zone. the army and militias... isis and other islamist militan. civilians and children in the crossfire. >> this is the last point we can reach here in the middle of benghazi. >> narrator: correspondent feras kilani reports from inside the chaotic fight. and later tonight, journalist and filmmaker safa al-ahmad on the ground in yemen. >> i really wanted to go and see for myself, because so little information that is reliable comes out. >> narrator: on a dangerous journey into the heart of the conflict. (gunfire) investigating the devastating human toll and unexpected alliances on the battlefield. >> he just says quite casually these are al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. >> narrator: two new reports one powerful hour of frontline >> frontlinis made possible by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. and by the corporation for public broadcasting. major support for frontliis provided by the john d

the world tonight appears ready to rearm libya. talks earlier today, 21 countries gave the go-ahead to supply weapons to libya's international recognized government. u.s. secretary of state john kerry said more weapons are needed to combat the growing power of the so-called islamic state in libya. the country is deeply divided with its main cities controlled by three separate entities. let's take a look. the u.n. backed government of national according gets most of its support from the west of the countries you see right there in yellow. the area around the city is dominated by the militant of the atlantic state -- islamic state. >> libya was plunged into turmoil after an international coalition took over dictator in 2011. the when imposed an arms embargo to keep weapons from falling into the hands of extremists. u.s. secretary of state john kerry said world power was will now push for an exception to that embargo to help the unity government defend itself. >> the united states stands ready and the unit -- international community s

one is libya. libya was a disaster. just in case you have any questions, right now isis has taken the oil from libya. so we knock out libya and you knock out gadhafi and she thinks we did a great job. isis has the oil.

. >>> would be endless in libya. this is not to say that nothing can be and then in a sense efforts right now and then to create to command isis and then the security process and help the central bank and government push back against the demands and put restraints on spending on the salaries. not only that but according to the political agreement it should be dismanted and on original basis in sectors. it's also essential for the government of nationals to reside with the forces in eastern kwlab and mainly the eastern national army. the community should help in providing a proposal for the reconciliati reconciliation. it's the army's role in defeating the terrorists groups in the east and then the sacrifices in the east is paramount to affiliation. the u.s. and international community should support libya through different policy aspects and increase organized crime activity and second political consideration is crucial and then it should act on drivers in libya are and then it will help and has come to terrorism and

that is the track i think we are on in libya. laura: admiral thank you so much , for joining us. >> what a pleasure, laura. laura: of course, that current instability in libya is helping to fuel the migrant crisis. angelina jolie pit, the u.n. envoy, spoke to the bbc about the plight of those making the treacherous journey. we will hear from her in just a second, but first, the former head of the british intelligence service mi6 was also present today and had this morning. >> if europe cannot act together to persuade a majority of its citizens that it can gain control of its migratory crisis, then the eu will find itself at the mercy of a populist uprising, which is already stirring. the stakes are very high, and the u.k. referendum is the first roll of the dice in a bigger geopolitical game. laura: sir richard dear love. as we mentioned, angelina jolie pitt was also stressing how high the stakes were. she underlined europe is only a fraction of the global refugee problem and called on the world to address the issue. angelina: on

when we see leaders traveling to libya, financing going to libya foreign fighters going into libya and directed by i.s.i.l leaders in raqqa to go to libya that's when we get concerned and when we see external plotting coming out of libya, that's when -- >> rose: what do we do other than support the strengthening of a government in tripoli? >> we have to strengthen and support that government, and when we see, again, threats emerging or watching these closely, we won't hesitate to take military action, but we don't want to get too far ahead of this new government. we know when they ask for help i think they will find a very willing, international community willing to help. >> rose: let me go back to iraq. is mosul football retake mozel before the end of obama's the term? >> well, i think -- >> rose: possible. possible, definitely. i think when you interview the president the way he put it was we definitely have the conditions if place to make sure that i.s.i.l will be out of mosul. we are very hesitant -- we do not want to put a time line on this. >> rose: but it's possible and that is

when and where did it begin to settle in libya? >> the islamic state in libya really became a powerful force in 2015 and it was established with a combination of individuals sent by the islamic state parent group in iraq and syria, and then pulling from the sort of hodgepodge of militant groups, disenfranchised people who haven't fared well in the post revolution era in libya itself. so it is a mix of foreigners and libyans and really established a stronghold in sirte. and while the islamic state is mall smaer in libya and that iraq and syria, it seems like the most powerful affiliate by the u.s. and its allies. >> you reported the u.s. special operations has been in libya in two different locations, two different outpost this past year and they are the small contact teams, i believe is how you wrote about it. can you explain what that means and what their mission is. >> sure. it's really an assessment mission. it isn't so unusual, the united states has small special operations presences in various places. but the goal here in liby

western powers say they are ready to arm the government in libya. ,orld leaders reach a deal helping them fight the islamic state group. french transport workers set to strike this week. against the controversial changes to labor laws. and a brutal dictatorship under the spotlight as a film screens at the cannes film festival. first, the united states and other world powers have agreed to our libya to help it fight the islamic state group. leaders pledged to help the internationally recognized government imposes authority. libya has become a haven for gaddafi fiveter years ago. reporter: it was meant to be a new start. the country was plunged into chaos. the national transitional council made up of those that liberated.ared libya but it could not control the marriott militias that sprung up during the revolution. congress, national but when elections were disputed, they refused to give up power. rival governments were born. the gnc stayed in tripoli while the council moved 1000 kilometers away. the political crisis played into the hands of the armed

one is libya. libya was a disaster. just in case you have any questions, right now isis has taken the oil from libya. so we knock out libya and you knock out gadhafi and she thinks we did a great job. isis has the oil. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. and iraq too. >> will you stay out of syria? >> i would have stayed out of syria and wouldn't have fought for assad because i thought that was a whole thing. you have iran, which we made into a power. iran now is a power. because of us, because of some of the dumbest deals i have ever seen. so now you have iran and russia in favor of assad. we're supposed to fight the two of them. at the same time, we're supposed to fight isis, who is fighting assad. >> so there are a lot of people who say you have inconsistent foreign policy, but it sounds consistent. you wouldn't have gone into libya. you wouldn't have gone into iraq. you wouldn't go into syria. you wouldn't have fought assad. >> but i would go after isis. >> but you'd go after

was out of libya, then it was in, out. where is the u.s. right now in libya? >> well, the u.s. is really behind this new unity government in tripoli. and they are obviously to used-- focused on the islamic state threat. i think more broadly the u.s. wants to insuhat this government succeeds. that we don't repeat the mistakes we made after the fall of qaddafi. but the first priority is protecting this government and then helping it fight the islamic state. and i think that's going to be done through some training, through assistance, through the lifting of the arms embargo as we heard. >> woodruff: but we heard secretary kerry say the u.s. is going to be arming the right government. but we also heard the general say it's not clear which group is which, on which side. how confusing is it? >> it very confusing. this is the problem we facial in all the states, who do you partner with. in the case of libya, there is no union fie government, chain of command or army. you have to pick among these militias and it is a dangerous game. you don't know who you are dealing with. they may tu

when we see leaders traveling to libya, financing going to libya, foreign fighters going into libya and directed by i.s.i.l leaders in raqqa to go to libya, that's when we get concerned, and when we see external plotting coming out of libya, that's when -- >> rose: what do we do other than support the strengthening of a government in tripoli? >> we have to strengthen and support that government, and when we see, again, threats emerging or watching these closely, we won't hesitate to take military action, but we don't want to get too far ahead of this new government. we know when they ask for help i think they will find a very willing, international community willing to help. >> rose: let me go back to iraq. is mosul football retake mozel before the end of obama's the term? >> well, i think -- >> rose: possible. possible, definitely. i think when you interview the president the way he put it was we definitely have the conditions if place to make sure that i.s.i.l will be out of mosul. we are very hesitant -- we do not want to put a time line on this. >> rose: but it's possible and that i

. >> but libya. right now isis has taken the oil from libya. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. >> trump has never held public office, of course, so there's no official record of votes on key policy questions so it could be hard to pin him down. in this case, he is on the record back in 2007 advocating a very specific course of action on libya. what donald trump said at the time about intervening in libya, that's coming up in 60 seconds. ♪ one coat, yes! ♪ there is a day, for every number. ♪ ♪ there is a time, for all my slumbers. ♪ ♪ and i can see, that i can't run and hide. ♪ one coat guaranteed marquee interior. behr's most advanced paint. come find our top rated paints, only at thhome depot. >>> all right. according to donald trump, the 2011 intervention in libya is an example of hillary clinton's poor judgment. it's a decision he says he himself would have never made. >> libya was an example. libya is a disaster. by the way, just in case you have any questions, right now isis has taken the oil from libya. >> would you have

was out of libya, then it was in, out. where is the u.s. right now in libya? >> well, the u.s. is really behind this new unity government in tripoli. and they are obviously to used-- focused on the islamic state threat. i think more broadly the u.s. wants to insure that this government succeeds. that we don't repeat the mistakes we made after the fall of qaddafi. but the first priority is protecting this government and then helping it fight the islamic state. and i think that's going to be done through some training, through assistance, through the lifting of the arms embargo as we heard. >> woodruff: but we heard secretary kerry say the u.s. is going to be arming the right government. but we also heard the general say it's not clear which group is which, on which side. how confusing is it? >> it very confusing. this is the problem we facial in all the states, who do you partner with. in the case of libya, there is no union fie government, chain of command or army. you have to pick among these militias and it is a dangerous game. you don't know who you are dealing with. they ma

on the other hand, we have seen them continue to expand in libya and afghanistan. we have potentially seen their hand in this egyptian air. it is a mixed picture. we have a way to go. laura: as we are seeing islamic defensive,ly on the is there a risk of unintended consequences of their supporters in europe or maybe even the u.s. of striking out? >> there very much is. if i were a strategic planner for the islamic state, i would want to, say, in american english, "swing for the fences." do something very dramatic. another attack similar to what we saw in brussels. i think that is unfortunately in the cards for this summer. laura: how much do you worry , while there are these advances in syria and iraq against the islamic state that, in libya, so many are people -- so many are using it as a jumping off point, that in libya, islamic state is regaining in strength? , >> i'm very worried about it. islamic state is not a hierarchical bureaucratic , organization. it has some of those attributes, but it is also gaining ground through franchising, through developing local

, leaders traveling to libya, financing going to libya and foreign fighters going to libya, and they are being directed by isil leaders to go to libya, that is where we get concerned. when we see external ploling coming out of libya -- charlie: what about strengthening the government in tripoli? >> we have to strengthen that government. when we see threats emerging, we won't hesitate to take military action. we don't want to get too far ahead of this new government. when they ask for help, they will find a very willing international community willing to help. charlie: let me go back to iraq. retake -- possible to mosul before the end of obama's term? possible? >> possibly definitely. i think when you interview the president, the way he put it was we definitely have the conditions in place to make sure that isil will be out of mosu lunch. we are very hesitant. we do not want to put a time line on this. charlie: but it is possible, and that is the goal, and you are putting forces in. you have announced you are going to have more special forces in iraq and now in syria? >> absolutely. t

. >> but libya. right now isis has taken the oil from libya. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. >> trump has never held public office, of course, so there's no official record of votes on key policy questions so it could be hard to pin him down. in this case, he is on the record back in 2007 advocating a very specific course of action on libya. what donald trump said at the time about intervening in libya, that's coming up in 60 seconds. >>> all right. according to donald trump, the . . because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen. there's no one no one surface...e. no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class. five driving

libya can't afford to get divided up by people with different interests fighting with one another. that's part of what leads to the chaos. if you have one regional state supporting one player and a different regional state supporting another player, that's not going to work well. i think everybody understands that. egypt, the united arab emirates, qatar, saudi arabia, sudan, chad, niger, morocco, i hope i've not missed any of the north african players -- jordan -- i did miss one -- as well as the united kingdom, france, the european union, all signed on to this communique which is a full-throated endorsement to the government of national accord. it's like water hydraulics. i don't know if there are other kinds. you can't predict where an individual particle will go. if you dig a trench, most of the water will go down that trench. if you go down a channel and after you dig the channel, you then coat the channel and start putting in filters and a variety of things to get the water looking good and useful for more purposes. what we're doing is trying to create a channel for national u

we found them drifting in this rubber boat off the coast of libya. smugglers had packed them in and given just enough fuel for the boat to leave libyan yearts -- waters. an hour after, a storm blew in. this is what happens when the waves get bigger -- the boats fold and they sink. well, this is the moment they had risk to do all for, the first steps onto european soil. but how many more be -- are going to come? over 1,000 just today. >> i'm very happy. i'm very, very happy, standing in europe right now. >> among those also leaving the aquarius today were 51 young men under the age of 17, traveling alone. here's one from guinea bissau, 14. it's a lonely world for a boy so young. one proposed solution is to send europe's navy's into libya's waters, but to do that you need a government and a partner in trip ollie. the inescapable truth, so long as there is money to be made in this dirty business of trafficking people, they will come. jane: as we've mentioned, it's a different scene in turkey where the flow of migrants has slowed. 9 number of people leav

that's libya. they're also accuses of having ties to libyan political groups associated with the muslim brotherhood, which the uae has cracked down on in the past few years. the family denies the charges, saying both men were tortured into signing confessions. their daughter and sister says this nightmare began in august 2014. that's when security forces stormed into their villa without a warrant, she says, arresting both men and confiscating electronics. both were then held in commune ca doe for several months. officials have insisted the pair are being accorded due process and treated in accordance with international fair trial standards. but human rights groups and the u.n. have challenged this case, citing credible reports of torture. the state department publicly has voiced concerns but stopped short of calling for a release. the family, while appreciative, says everyone can be doing more. we'll learn more about the men's fate on monday, when a court is expected to issue a final verdict. if co

particularly before libya. he should have asked. my guess is the debate would have been messy but gadhafi might be there still, we might have problems but not chaos. >> i agree with that, senator paul. it is always best if the legislative and executive branches are on the same wavelength when you're talking about sending our young men and women into harm's way. president should come to congress and seek approval. we had a democratic senate. it was unpopular to do what we were continuing to do. the only way we got approval of congress was to go first to the security council of the u.n. and get a use of force resolution by them. still, president bush took the matter to the congress -- president bush 41. had congress turned him down i think he would have done what he did. i don't think we'll ever resolve that issue of who has the power -- commander in chief or congress's ability to declare war. >> one of the exceptions granted by almost everybody on whatever side of this issue is if we are under imminent threat, if missiles are launche

ambassador to libya. unfortunately, the ambassador and his country team said we haven't actually been to libya. they are literally an embassy in compile -- exile in libya. one thing we know for sure is that libya plays host to an increasing number of isis fighters. some even estimate that the ranks of isis have doubled in libya in the past year alone. and left unchecked, this isis-safe haven in libya, a country which is obviously strategically located across the mediterranean from europe where it's pretty easy passage up into the e.u., movement around the e.u. and in countries, 38 countries in total have visa waiver agreements with the united states and can travel to the united states from those countries without a visa. but this jumping off point in libya to europe and then to other places is a real threat and provides another base from which isis can continue to terrorize and target the united states and our friends and our partners. as i mentioned, we were able to travel to tunesia and visit with the r

libya was a mistake. i would not go to syria. so on the one hand, he's playing the isolation guy in terms of the middle east. on the other hand he's talking big and talking loud about arming other nations with nuclear weapons. and the rhetoric that he's taking -- >> explain that. what's the logic? there's a logic to what he's doing. there's inconsistencies. he's saying we're self-reliant americans screw everybody else we're looking out for us. number one. >> right. al they're going to try to claim the mantle of ronald reagan on this, believe it or not. because ronald reagan was not a guy who sent troops to a lot of places. he was a guy who flexed american muscle by building up the pentagon and then cutting a deal with the soviets. that's who they're going to claim. whether they can realistically make that claim i don't know. that's the claim they'll make. >> so true about reagan. even when there was the plane went down over south korean, the american soldier was killed along the dmz in east berlin. rather reagan did not go to war

then he made a decision to get involved in libya. he regrets libya, doesn't regret syria. what does this say about what the u.s. role has to be in creating stability in the middle east? >> i think what it says is that the middle east is going through a very difficult and complex period of its history. there are a number of trends that are under way, economic, political, cultural, sectarian, and a lot of these very repre repressed sentiments and tensions are now manifesting themselves. authoritarian regimes have been in place in a number of these countries, you mentioned libya and syria and iraq. now, a lot of the problems that were never addressed in these regimes are coming to the fore. terrorist groups and extremist groups are again seizing upon it. we need to look at what are those issues we need to address and help them. but inunited states has only limited influence to shape the middle east. a lot of individuals think the united states can wave a magic wand and we can't. >> let me ask you just about libya, if we had not gotten involved in libya, if gadhafi were still

in february of 2011, egypt's next door neighbor libya also went up in flames. the country's dictator moammar gadhafi was cooperating with the u.s. since the invasion of iraq in 2003. many voices around the world were demanding he be removed from power. once again, the president's top military advisers counseled caution. when he sided with those that urged him to support the overthrow of gadhafi his secretary of defense resorted to extraordinary measures. did you actually tell your subordinates to limit the amount of information they gave to the white house on military options available in libya? >> all i said was, i don't want any military plans or options going to the white house i haven't seen. >> i mean, you write it more bluntly. you say don't give the white house staff too much information on the military options. they don't understand it. >> pretty much. >> a little more blunt. you had concern about that. >> absolutely. >> about running military operations out of the white house. >> yeah, yeah. the experience that we had had with that in vietnam didn't wo

then he made a decision to get involved in libya. he regrets libya, doesn't regret syria. what does this say about what the u.s. role has to be in creating stability in the middle east? >> i think wat it says is that the middle east is going through a very difficult and complex period of its history. there are a number of trends that are under way, economic, political, cultural, sectarian, and a lot of these very repre repressed sentiments and tensions are now manifesting themselves. authoritarian regimes have been in place in a number of these countries, you mentioned libya and syria and iraq. now, alot of the problems that were never addressed in these regimes are coming to the fore. terrorist groups and extremist groups are again seizing upon it. we need to look at what are those issues we need to address and help them. but inunited states has only limited influence to shape the middle east. a lot of individuals think the united states can wave a magic wand and we can't. >> let me ask you just about libya, if we had not gotten involved in libya, if gadhafi were still th

then he made a decision to get involved in libya. he regrets libya, doesn't regret syria. what does this say about what the u.s. role has to be in creating stability in the middle east? >> i think what it says is that the middle east is going through a very difficult and complex period of its history. there are a number of trends that are under way, economic, political, cultural, sectarian, and a lot of these very repre repressed sentiments and tensions are now manifesting themselves. authoritarian regimes have been in place in a number of these countries, you mentioned libya and syria and iraq. now, a lot of the problems that were never addressed in these regimes are coming to the fore. terrorist groups and extremist groups are again seizing upon it. we need to look at what and help them. but inunited states has only limited influence to shape the middle east. a lot of individuals think the united states can wave a magic wand and we can't. >> let me ask you just about libya, if we had not gotten involved in libya, if gadhafi were still there, would europe have this migrat

then he made a decision to get involved in libya. he regrets libya, doesn't regret syria. what does this say about what the u.s. role has to be in creating stability in the middle east? >> i think what it says is that the middle east is going through a very difficult and complex period of its history. there are a number of trends that are under way, economic, political, cultural, sectarian, and a lot of these very repre repressed sentiments and tensions are now manifesting themselves. authoritarian regimes have been in place in a number of these countries, you mened now, a lot of the problems that were never addressed in these regimes are coming to the fore. terrorist groups and extremist groups are again seizing upon it. we need to look at what are those issues we need to address and help them. but inunited states has only limited influence to shape the middle east. a lot of individuals think the united states can wave a magic wand and we can't. >> let me ask you just about libya, if we had not gotten involved in libya, if gadhafi were still there, would europe have this

some have injuries, but there is relief -- they have finally escape libya. >> libya is not a free country. it's not. >> but with a really come of these rescue boats were not here -- would they really come if these rescue boats were not here? >> their determination to leave danger is so huge that they are not afraid to step on that rickety boat and basically risk their lives. >> we already have 120 lives on board the aquarius. we are now picking up another 140. italians say they are expecting a record number of people to make this journey this year, perhaps as many as 200,000. an hour after everyone was safely transferred, the weather turned, a squall that would surely have transformed -- surely have destroyed their bones. on the aquarius, they sleep soundly, but had we arrived just an hour later, they would surely be dead. riskingeenage migrants everything, hoping for a better life. in florida today, the invictus games are coming to a close. they give wounded service members the chance to compete in different sports. an american athlete made headlines when she gave one of her gold medals

on libya, essentially training their forces and supplying weapons. the article wonders if it is a good idea because libya is already overflowing with weapons . will the new weapons not risk falling into the wrong hands? the article says it is a possibility, but for now, it seems like the only viable option. annette: let's stay with the italian press. after outlining plans to combat what he has described as an externally declined in the country's birth rate, we have always known that it is minus, isn't it? >> it is getting lower and lower. let's take a look at la repub lica. they are alarmed by the demographic trend in italy. just 488,000 babies were born last year, the lowest number since the modern state was founded in 1861. this is an interview she gave to ca," but it has been relayed on all kinds of media. "today" included. she says, if we carry on, we are going toward this demographic apocalypse. we risk of collapse. we need to to act before it is too late. her solution is getting a lot of attention. "times" says that it only once to brad familie

theatic pictures capture moment and overcrowded migrant boat capsizes off the coast of libya. five people died. also coming up, the price of oil has passed $50 a barrel for the first time this year. we will tell you what is behind the move. of the disappearing act louvre museum. you could be forgiven for thinking the famous pyramid had simply vanished. we will tell you more about that. france has begun to dip into its emergency fuel reserves to deal with gas shortages as hard-line trade unions slow down the oil sector. it's not just the oil industry. electricity production could slow down with strikes and most of the country's power plants. unions are also calling for mass protest across the country. all to kill the government's reform plan that aims to make french labor laws more competitive. the government's main adversary is the hard-line union known as the cgt. they have a lot staked on this fight with the prime minister. for the only day union still defying the government in an increasingly bitter battle over plant reforms -- labor reforms. the most powerful union in term

we've down until bosnia and kosovo and could do it with libya. there are countries with capability to do it, italians are just across the mediterranean and have a huge incentive to this. others would also be willing to support but they won't do it unless the u.s. is prepared to lead. >> is anybody paying attention to this pattern, this pattern with history as our guide, that we're pretty got at overthrowing dictators and very bad after. >> we go through the same thing every time. in the first gulf war, colin powell sis the most important thing about the war is the postwar seems like we don't follow through, especially in iraq, pull ought the way we did. not having enough-for-s on the ground and then pulling out and then leaving the mess we have. we ought to make sure if we are going to do -- and it's a big question whether we should -- we follow through and provide security. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tens of thousands of people marched today to demand access to something most of us take for granted. electricity. there was a ma

we didn't start the uprising in libya or syria. the syrian people stood up gainst assad in the beginning and were met with violence and to moammar p gaddafi. neither one would be able to in the long term unless they did what gaddafi was going assad is to go hold assacring people to onto power. if you had the foresight to say to yourself, these dictators are in trouble. the only way they can hold onto power, is murdering people. is the basic ingredient for islamic jihadists to come in and take advantage of that environment. so i think it's important to remind ourselves these were not efforts to go in and overthrow dictators. -- people of those countries that stood up against them. in ave to make a decision our best interest if you were to forward.ree steps benghazi, he went in and people.d those etuity. of perp it's an accurate assessment to say we didn't start that. what is eft to analyze the best thing going forward with our national interest and i made the argument at the time stand by those arguments that it was in our national

i don't think we should have done what we did in libya. i opposed it. i think the president used a really cute we weren't involved in hostilities movement and i think we were way too quick to overthrow a long-term ally in egypt. where i thought senator paul may go was when you do selectively end up engaging in war, secretary baker, what is the best way to ensure that you're successful? >> well, i'm biased, but i would submit, mr. chairman, that a textbook example of the way to go to war is the way president bush 41 went to war in the first gulf war. he said -- he told the world what he was going to do. he then went out and got the rest of his world behind his effort to do it to the extent for the first time ever he was able to get a use of force resolution out of the u.n. security council against a u.n. member state. he then came up here on the hill and it was very unpopular at the time but he narrowly got a vote of the senate by 52-48, supporting it, and a vote of the house by a larger margin. he went out and he put overwhelming force on the ground to