mr. mcmullin: our goal is the same. reporter: for the next 3 months, the successful campaign will be you in the white house? you heading to the inauguration in january? mr. mcmullin: yes, we believe that can happen and we are going to work very hard to do it. obviously, we recognize the timing is not optimal. we got in at the last moment when we realized no one else was going to do it. but we are going to fight hard. and it has been amazing how many americans -- we have been at this for 4 days and it has been absolutely incredible how many americans of all types have reached out and supported our cause, both with donations, volunteering to help, and on so many levels. reporter: really, what chance do you think you have? mr. mcmullin: i think we have a chance. there are many paths to victory here. each candidate in order to win, myself and the others, need a majority of the electoral college. the other thing is that i don't know that donald trump is going to be able to make it through this race. he is collapsing right no

mr. mcmullin joins us for his first national tv interview since making the ballot in colorado. mr. mcmullin that news broke late last night. your campaign saying it's going to compete in all 50 states. if we look at the deadlines for the independent candidates, florida, georgia, new hampshire, they passed. how will you successfully get on 50 state ballots? >> thomas, great to be with you today. there's a lot of misunderstanding of how candidates can get on ballots. it's through petitions in states we haven't missed the deadline but there are many other ways. we're working with minor parties. we've had a number of minor parties reach out to us, they want to collaborate with us on that. we're preparing some legal action. there are a variety of ways. so we're going to pursue all of those. we are, as you pointed out, only four days into this and already on colorado's ballot, which is of course a very important place to compete. and we're going to compete across america in a variety of really important states. >> the california deadline is today. will you be on that ballot? >> we'll see

. >> mr. mcmullin seems like a perfectly accomplished individual. he has an impressive resume, but at some level, he's not running to be president of the knroouns. in some sort of fully realized sense. >> i disagree because this is a guy at the age of 40, he served for 11 years as cia officer. on 9/11, he was training at the central intelligence agency headquarters in langley when the planes went into the towers and the pentagon. this is a guy who then volunteered to serve his country in north africa, in the middle east, and in south asia in the most dangerous and difficult counterterrorism assignments that are available in this country. he volunteered for these positions. he's the guy who went out and served his country boldly in the highest risk environments. and this is the kind of person that's a real conto donald trump. donald trump is the guy who has always sought the spotlight and personal self aggrandizement. evan has never sought the spotlight until this moment because he served his country and chose to serve in a way that was selfless and

. >> nothing against mr. mcmullin, i'm sure he's wonderful but he uses the word weak many times. think of how weak the never trump movement is when they go around the room and who can run for president and this is the best they come up with. he was a capitol hill staffer. >> watch that shade. watch that shade. >> hold on. >> this is how weak the never trump movement is. i don't know why we are giving this person -- i hope someone signs his book deal so he can move on and do something else. >> i am obligated to respond. what i will say to you is my friends are better than evan's friends because they would not let me sign on to run for office this late in the game. i'm not sure who his boss was when he worked for the house republican conference but it's horribly unfortunate. i thank him for his service but we should move right along. >> he matters only as much as he can take votes away from donald trump. and get on the ballot in important states like new hampshire, virginia, ohio and also i think your point was really right on. utah, in utah, he needs about 1,000 signatures, pay a

. >>> joining me right now to respond to mr. mcmullin, new york congressman chris collins, co-chair of donald trump's u.s. house leadership committee. good to have you here, congressman. he says he's not going to take votes from donald trump, but i guess that's one of the concerns here. >> well, i don't think he's going to get any votes. this is kind of a desperate noise in the wind kind of move, trish. we're not going to pay any attention to this. the thing is about the polls, they can't poll energy. the donald trump energy -- the reason people are voting for him, he's going to secure the borders, bring our jobs back, defeat isis, make america great again, put america first. hillary clinton has yet to give a reason why anyone should vote for her. the best she can say is don't vote for donald trump. that's not going to cut it over the next 95 days. and when she steps up in that first debate with donald trump, no one's going to be watching an nfl game. america is going to tune in, and hillary clinton, who can't take a question fr

. >> nothing against mr. mcmullin, i'm sure he's wonderful but he uses the word weak many times. think of how weak the never trump movement is when they go around the room and who can run for president and this is the best they come up with. he was a capitol hill staffer. >> watch that shade. watch that shade. >> hold on. >> this is how weak the never trump movement is. i don't know why we are giving this person -- i hope someone signs his book deal so he can move on and do something else. >> i am obligated to respond. what i will say to you is my friends are better than evan's friends because they would not let me sign on to run for office this late in the game. i'm not sure who his boss was when he worked for the house republican conference but it's horribly unfortunate. i thank him for his service but we should move right along. >> he matters only as much as he can take votes away from donald trump. and get on the ballot in important states like new hampshire, virginia, ohio and also i think your point was really right on. utah, in utah, he needs about 1,000 signatures, pay a

. >> according to "new york times" mr. mcmullin backed by a donor who used to support mitt romney. both mormon so -- >> i don't think he's going to j talk about staten island what about that big giant t sign outside someone's home on staten island? >> yitd hear about it until someone torched it, vandalized it. >> that giant trump sign set on fire on sunday, well they got a new one and it's bigger and they say better than ever before. u now somebody set fire to the 12 foot capital l t fire in front of sam's home in bigger than 12 feet it looks like. >> this one, artist scott he promised to rebuild it bigger and he did. it's now 16 feet high, and it's in the same spot. he calls the piece freedom of speech. >> listen if you lived on my block, even if i were -- you can't do that. it ends up too big. don't you think it is a little bit too big. >> freedom of speech. >> on your front lawn. they have rules about this >> it was a coward, and important to reaffirm my artist reaffirm first amendment right of free speech and support a candidate of my choice without fear of retribution. >> this

second, i just heard mr. mcmullin make a statement about donald trump saying to ban all muslims. donald trump never said ban all muslims. that is the line that the media and the washington elite has promoted over and over and over again. ban he said was an them -- them until we get a way of vetting them and that isis stole all of syria's passport information, printing press, codewords, paper, everything. there is no valid visa from syria today and they should be banned until our leaders figure out what is going on. we don't have leaders that know what is going on. we have leaders that give away everything the united states has ever had. they don't negotiate for america. a negotiate against america. guest: thank you for your call and comments. i certainly agree that one of the major problems, and perhaps the largest problem the country faces, though it is hard to between thee various problems we face, but the size of the federal government is certainly a serious challenge to this country. it is a challenge in terms of what it does to our budget. the tax burden that then results on

second, i just heard mr. mcmullin make a statement about donald trump saying to ban all muslims. donald trump never said ban all muslims. that is the line that the media and the washington elite has promoted over and over and over again. ban he said was an them -- them until we get a way of vetting them and that isis stole all of syria's passport information, printing press, codewords, paper, everything. there is no valid visa from syria today and they should be banned until our leaders figure out what is going on. we don't have leaders that know what is going on. we have leaders that give away everything the united states has ever had. they don't negotiate for america. a negotiate against america. guest: thank you for your call and comments. i certainly agree that one of the major problems, and perhaps the largest problem the country faces, though it is hard to between thee various problems we face, but the size of the federal government is certainly a serious challenge to this country. it is a challenge in terms of what it does to our budget. the tax burden that then results on

i actually think having someone like mr. mullin who has real-life international terrifying experience, and we all thank him for that incredibly dangerous work. another voice saying that donald trump is irresponsible, that his moves towards putin are irresponsible. that his talk on these fears have become a video training tape for terrorists. another voice pointing that out that is perhaps a less partisan vote is good for secretary clinton and good for reminding -- >> again, we don't know -- >> -- if the never trump movement, the highest profile person you can get is edward mcmullin, no offense edward mcmullin, you're probably more qualified than anyone i know, but it's not a household name, even right next door to edward mcmullin so if that's the best we can dosh -- >> nevertheless, we're here talking about it. anybody but trump movement. and that is not good for trump, and it sends a message that the party has not fully united -- >> john, i want to move to this today, looking ahead to donald trump's speech before the detroi