aaron sorkin's letter to his daughter. i am not sure i believe aaron sorkin write that because it didn't repeat the dialogue over and over. i am a huge fan by the way. you said he was making up stuff saying the clan won too. yes, sure, but the crusader did support, though not endorse trump. >> clearly the subtext was this is a clan america and it is a tried trope. all dogs are mammals and all cats are mammals. these guys are stuck in eighth grade. >> you were getting at something i think that not enough people are talking about. the obama voters who voted for trump, i would love to see a break down of that of the i suspect there is a fair amount of them. >> a lot of the swing counties said went for obama. it is like liberals heads exploding. >> and there is no doubt that sanders supporters understand why hillary lost more than hillary supporters and that's why they aren't hillary supporters. tom, sorkin is indeed divorced. >> knew it. knew it. >> maybe they are not talking and that's why he has to publish them in "vanity f

but the idea of an outsider who reached across party lines and talked in a way like the aaron sorkin fantasy. >> together instead of subdivided. >> rose: is that where ronald reagan got that phrase? from new hampshire -- [simultaneous speech] >> maybe it was a hell of a coincidence yon. > -- i don't know.>> the impulsp phenomenon was a hollywood liberal fantasy turned on its said, the outsider -- >> the 1998 film. >> speaking truth to power but in a way that no rational person might recognize as truth. but there's something about that impulse that drove him as close as he may have got ton this job. >> and actually it is a quite wonderful american moment the to think about that. whatever happens you know, we are making history here. and the notion that somebody can come from the outside, with every newspaper in the country, with the exception of two, well, you count the ku klux klan, three. >> rose: and be close at the end. >> and all the intelligentci earvetion, and still be so reveeferred and so close to being president if not president i think that tells you something about -- >> r

i would love to believe -- if aaron sorkin could write the next six months, i would have some hope. but i don't -- i don't see -- charlie: west wing, too? jeff: i don't see the mechanism. and maybe somebody can convince us. charlie: and is there a way -- >> and then the question is, in -- as we have been thinking for the last year and days, and hours about the possibility of a trump administration, i have often thought, well, if that were to happen, would the democrats remaining -- if they controlled the senate or didn't, would they somehow behave differently than the republicans in a similar position? would they not be obstructionist? i don't think we can bet on that. would they suddenly say ok, yes, we'll -- we'll confirm your supreme correlate nominations, president trump. i don't think so. i think it is a new -- it is a new situation. now, again, you know, nothing doesn't need to last forever. but these underlying media conditions which give great incentive to people on the extremes to remain on the extreme. cokie: special media. >> i included all together. >> the way out of thi

i would love to believe -- if aaron sorkin could write the next six months, i would have some hope. ut i don't -- i don't see -- charlie: west wing, too? jeff: i don't see the mechanism. and maybe somebody can convince us. charlie: and is there a way -- >> and then the question is, in -- as we vsh thinking for the last year and days, and hours about the possibility of a trump administration, i have often thought, well, if that were to happen, would the democrats remaining -- if they controlled the senate or didn't, would they somehow behave differently than the republicans in a similar position? would they not be obstructionist? i don't think we can bet on that. would they suddenly say ok, yes, we'll -- we'll confirm your supreme correlate nominations, president trump. i don't think so. i think it is a new -- it is a new situation. now, again, you know, nothing doesn't need to last forever. but these underlying media conditions which give great incentive to people on the extremes to remain on the extreme. cokie: special media. >> i included all together. >> the way out of this which

i would love to believe -- if aaron sorkin could write the next six months, i would have some hope. but i don't -- i don't see -- charlie: west wing ii? jeff: i don't see the mechanism. and maybe somebody can convince us. charlie: and is there a way -- >> and then the question is, in -- as we have been thinking for the last year and days, and hours about the possibility of a trump administration, i have often thought, well, if that were to happen, would the democrats remaining -- if they controlled the senate or didn't, would they somehow behave differently than the republicans in a similar position? would they not be obstructionist? i don't think we can bet on that. would they suddenly say ok, yes, we'll -- we'll confirm your nominations, president trump. i don't think so. i think it is a new -- it is a new situation. now, again, you know, nothing doesn't need to last forever. but these underlying media conditions which give great incentive to people on the extremes to remain on the extreme. cokie: special media. >> i included all together. >> the way out of this which doris can ta

sorkin fantasy, but there's something to. >> bring people together than divide. >> rose: is that where ronald reagan composite that phrase? you remember in new hampshire-- >> maybe it was a hell of a coincidence. i don't know. ( laughter ) but the point of it is, i think walter is exactly right, the impulse-- i thought in some ways the whole trump phenomenon was a hollywood liberal fantasy turned on its head-- >> it's warren battaliony's 1998 film. >> it's speaking truth to power in a way no rational person might recognize as truth. but there is something about that impulse that drove him as close as he may have gotten to this job. >> actually, it is a quite wonderful american moment to think about that. whatever happens, we're making history here. and the notion that somebody can come from the outside with every newspaper in the country, with the exception of two-- well, if you count the ku klux klan three-- against him -- >> and be close at the end. >> and all of the intelligencia of conservative writers and all of that -- >> against. >> against him. and the former presidents of the

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines mayb

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director a say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i was like, "sure do you mean f

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would thinat director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i was like, "sure do you mean fro

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i was like, "

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -wo think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out lo

sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i was like, "sure do you mea

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines ma

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it a say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." a

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i w

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you wa

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never bht >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i was lik

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i wo director at some point you would say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> my co-star and i said, "yeah i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out loud." and i was like, "sure

sometimes we'd go out for sushi or like italian and we ran into aaron sorkin and kathryn bigelow and we were just like, "hey, what're you doing." and we hadn't talked about the movie yet so i was just like, "i'm just having lunch with warren." he never brought up the movie. >> seth: and i def -- i would think that if it was any other director at p say "hey, dude, what's going on?" >> yeah, like, "why do you want to hang out?" [ laughter ] >> seth: right. >> i was just terrified that if i was the one to bring it up that either i wasn't supposed to know about it or he would be like, "next." >> seth: right. >> so i was like hanging on for dear life. >> seth: and so was it like a weekend of shooting when you realized, oh, i'm in this movie? >> kind of. [ laughter ] >> seth: really? >> no, we did this for a couple of months and finally one day he was like, "well, do you want to meet alden? and i knew alden had been attached for five years. >> seth: alden, your co-star on the screen. i'd like to meet alden." and he goes, "oh well do you want to just like read a couple of lines maybe out lo

sorkin could write the next six months i would have some hope. but i don't see them-- . >> rose: west wing two. >> i don't see the mechanism and maybe before this hour is over, somebody can convince us. >> rose: that with is what i want to figure out. >> how do we do this. >> rose: is there a way? >> and then the question is, as we have been thinking for the last year, and days and hours about the possibility of a trump administration, i have often thought well, if that were to happen, would the democrats remaining-- if they controlled the senate or didn't, would they show behave differently than the republicans in a similar position. would they not be obstructionists am i don't think we can bet on that. >> to. >> would they suddenly say okay, yes, we'll confirm your supreme coulter nominations, president trump. i don't think so. i think it is a new-- it is a new situation. now again, you know, nothing, it doesn't need to last forever but these yownd lying media conditions which-- which give great incentive to people on the extremes to remain on

you know, aaron ross sorkin had a really good article in "the new york times" yesterday that suggestion that having an independent kind of corporate moderator like a ken feinberg be hired to overlook donald trump companies. someone who's not related to him as a possible solution. but, really, because of this is so unprecedented we're sort of just going to have to see and watch and write about how he does this. >> well, look, i mean i think having an overseer like that makes the business sound like it's nefarious, probably not fair. a blind trust just doesn't make sense since this is a brand machine but he could have an independent board that overseas the company. the big see, ran will, transparency. will we see these legal documents that are separating it? >> yeah, well obviously we don't know. jackie said there are a lot of questions we're going to have to answer between now and then. that really isn't where the transparency stops, right? you've got this issue of a company that's doing business around the world, including countries where we have very sensitive relations complicated rel