one of the students was veteran andy payne. he says his instint was instinct was to grab the weapon. >> he went to attack me and i grabbed the knife with my hand. >> andy had surgery to repair damaged nerves and tendons in his hand. he is expected to make a full recovery. >>> after what happened at the osu campus we started looking some of our local universities. case western and cleveland state both use a method that's called a.l.i.c.e.. at both schools staff are required to get active shooter response training and take part in simulations. case western can send texts, e- mails, social media posts and calls all at the same time where it reaches 95% of users within two minutes and 15 seconds. we spoke with a security expert who says technology only goes it's all about immediate response. >> while a piece of equipment, a camera or metal detector, might help in some situations, the first and best line of defense is a well trained, highly alert staff and student body. >> case western also has a free phone app where people can repo