. >> let's talk more about this with jay newton small and ron brownstein, at the atlantic and senior media analyst bill carter. good to see all of you. ron, you first, is this recount sour grapes and is it logical? >> well, it's being driven -- most important point it's not being driven by the clinton campaign in the first instance much as they pointed out in the blog post they would not have launched such a recount because they did not find actionable evidence of anything that required a recount nor has a recount ever produced a change in the vote sufficient to overturn the result in any of the states. the odds of this mattering in the end in terms of the outcome is very slight. look, this has been driven by kind of the online response to the green party. there's a certain inevitability to it. it adds a layer of a.m. moanny. given the way our politics works with so many conspiracy theories floating around, maybe it's better off than not clarifying what happened in these states. >> it's green party driven, is that the difference why the media coverage may be different than during on

ron brownstein to you. you say -- and i should note that many of the people closest to donald trump, including jared kushner, his son-in-law, including his children, wanted to see reince priebus as chief of staff. they were pushing for this. they got this. you know, i wonder how they feel about steve bannon being in this very high position as well. they wanted reince priebus over steve bannon to have their father's ear. now both of these men have their father's ear. you say this is not a normal balancing of government. explain. >> no. no. i mean, look, there's a tendency to think of this as something like, say a reagan decision in 1980, where he brought in jim baker to make the trains run on time and ed niece as the conscience of the conservative movement, but those were two kind of professionals from within the mainstream of republican thinking at different ends. as they have said, steve bannon represents something very different. reince priebus is someone who can go out and work with republicans in congre

ron brownstein, what do you think about one other quick take here. he went to dinner at the 21 club, strong decision. didn't bring the press pool, controversial. why? >> well, you know, because when the leader, he is going to be the leader of the free world. and the long-standing norm is that the press, you know, has a protective pool following the leader of the free world because you never know what is going to happen at any moment. look, this is the not the first norm we have seen broken here. the failure to release the tax returns and the possibility of having his children run his business rather than a true blind trust. i mean, lots of things. one last point we have been talking about. you know, they have already. if you think about the structure of government with reince priebus and steve bannon, you already have in essence two power centers. one that is tied into the existing republican leadership and one that reflects the alt right. now, i think, from the transition, you get the sense that there could be a third kind of structure. kind of an o

we have cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein and david gregory. ron, to start off with the headline. you have the man who wants to build the wall against the woman who needs to protect the wall. >> the blue wall. >> i saw it on alisyn's paper and i stole it like it was mine. >> there is a really interesting, strategic choice if hillary clinton is made in this campaign almost completely unremarked. she has put in october an effort insurance states for her. ohio, florida, north carolina, iowa, nevada. those are states that she doesn't have to win in order to get to 270. two states that are her inner core of 270 new hampshire and pennsylvania that she has treated as battleground states. but michigan, wisconsin, new mexico a little different. they have treat them as done deals. spent $180 million in ohio, florida and north carolina. they spent $16 million in wisconsin, michigan and colorado. they need to win the second three. they would like to win the first three. >> which one do you define as the blue wall? >> the blue wall, so, the blue wall was ph

let's bring back david gregory and ron brownstein. >> you don't remember h.w. bush? i care. >> this is one of the times where trump should follow his instincts. >> the ad they have up now crystalizes the campaign. the campaign has deadlocked and stalemate. donald trump is change. the last few points of her lead, chris, has been voters who don't really like her and don't trust her and don't have a favorable view of her. that is what is moved back college white men and women in the national polling. what she is trying to do is put back front and center and here is why you want donald trump. >> david, let's dive in the demographics and look at north carolina. we can look at a lot of battleground states. let's look at the black vote. it has been down with the obama coalition not turning out in the early voting. in north carolina, it is down 5.3. in georgia, down 5.3. in florida, 3.2. let's look at latinos. because maybe this will help boost the numbers for her. in north carolina, it is up .7%. georgia, .7%. florida, up 4.5% since 2008. david? >> when i talked to them, th

let's talk about this with ron brownstein. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> hey, first, ron, i want to get to this tweet that we noticed from former governor and former competitor opponent here in the race for president arkansas governor mike huckabee. he tweeted out this, big story of the election is that state and local elections were repudiation of big government liblism record gains for gop now gop-don't blow it. he also said that last night he said that he was offered a cabinet position and advisory position as new administration. doesn't know if they're the right fit and tamped down the rumor that he would be the new ambassador for israel. what are you seeing from governor huckabee? >> the israel rumor was the most prominent. i don't know what the cabinet offer might have been. i think the argument there is interesting because essentially what he's saying to gop don't blow it almost as if it's a kind of different entity than the trump entity. donald trump in many ways was an independent candidate who ran under th

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and ron brownstein is with us. senior editor for the atlantic. the american university presidential studies and former chief of staff to first lady laura bush. we have a princeton historian and professor. and our own athena jones is traveling with the president in lima, peru, and was at the press conference. when we talk about the issue of trade, jamie, i thought it was interesting. you're an expert on china. it was interesting he decided to begin his remarks by continuing to push tpp, a trade deal that's all been dead in the water, and say, this is critical because it is about the united states righting the rules of trade on the world stage, while acknowledging a big part of what helped the president-elect win this election. he acknowledged that free trade has not helped anyone -- everyone, and it has, in some ways, added to the income gap. >> this had to be a heartbreak for president obama. he was talking about tpp to the asia pacific leaders. he worked for his entire presidency, building on a legacy of president george w bush. our country was

david gregory, ron brownstein, jackie kucinich, and abby phillips. good to have you all here. last night we saw both campaigns end where they began. very different and defined messages. we saw star power. we saw pageantry. david, what is the takeaway at the end of that last night into this morning? >> you know, it is an amazing contrast that we have. a nasty campaign, very unpopular candidates, two candidates who are scrubbing this electoral map, looking at the shape of the electorate with very different messages. you know, donald trump is trying to restore an america he says is lost. he represents radical change, crude change to a lot of people, but radical change when, what a of voters wanted. he's reshaped the republican party. here's hillary clinton, the ultimate insider, a kind of party chief within the democratic party, trying to assert her hold over the electoral college. the ultimate insider, the ultimate outsider. he finished kind of dark and angry, she finished a little more upbeat. >> to david's point, we had a billionaire from new york city in the backyard of walte

i still think you see she has the advantage. >> ron brownstein, what's your prediction for the next few days? in terms of what -- in terms of where they're going to put their emphasis, and why, what do you see? >> well, look, i mean clinton has a core perimeter, right? she has 273 electoral college votes that they are counting on the most. states like north carolina, florida and nevada are essentially -- and ohio and iowa which are less likely to win, that's the insurance in case she loses any states in those core burner and she may need that insurance particularly in new hampshire the polling has tightened up significantly. the process david described with republican voters moving back from gary johnson to donald trump. so you're left with me may need one of these insurance and north carolina and nevada are probably her best bets right now if she loses one of the core states she's counting on to get her past 270. >> let's look at florida first because that doesn't look like it's an insurance policy with the latest polls. this is the cnn poll of polls of florida it is exactly tied. clin

and cnn editor for "the atlantic," ron brownstein. washington bureau chief for "the daily beast," jackie kucinich. you've been burying me with numbers all morning. does this proposition come down to this? which one of these candidates gets rejected less by the group they are trying to court. donald trump trying to avoid this blue collar coalition looking at him and saying, you ain't us. and the obama coalition of emerging latinos and hispanics and african-americans looking at hillary clinton and saying, you ain't us. >> they both need to -- look, the divergence in the preferences are so great that they both need to max out turnout from their side. i think you have an election that is fast forwarding changes that we have been seeing over the last 20 years but really accelerating our republican coalition that's becoming more dependent on blue-collar, working class white america and will focus more on those rust belt states like michigan, ohio, iowa. a democratic coalition, hillary clinton has really tried to embrace, but as you point ou

let's discuss this with ron brownstein and david gregory and we have errol lewis and jackie kucinich. david, let's start with you. the comey effect. it changes every week. what today has the comey effect of the last nine days been? >> the legacy of this can be debated for a long time. no question this letter stopped clinton's momentum in a huge way. up until that time, this was a debate in the election about his fitness. donald trump's fitness for office. it switched and became more about her and her bad judgment and e-mail server. that stopped the momentum. she came out of that and it is trending her way. the damage has been done in the focus on this and another sign of why it was so unfortunate that comey allowed himself to be inserted into the political process. >> the fact they were able to review this so quickly using the software they had, makes the initial decision to go forward before you review the e-mails more defensible. >> no source i have entertained the idea if this is hard to cultivate. to david's point. the letters from comey showed clinton at her most vulnerable. the

phillip bump, and ron brownstein. thanks to all of you. ron, let's start with that thanksgiving message, a call for unity. trump sounding, i think it is understatement to say. a very different tone than in the campaign. >> like donald trump, i am from queens. i thinky say with some expertise that is the definition of the hoots pa. donald trump from the beginning from the moment he came down the escalator and talked about undocumented immigrants as criminals and rapists and the thugs and proposes to ban an entire religion from entering the united states i think it is fair to say he ran the most racially divisive campaign since george wallace. and while there is definitely diversity in the appointments today we all have steve bannon, sessions and flynn. and the latter of whom describes it is rational to be afraid of islam. for trump now to say he wants to unify the country. i think there are going to be a lot of people who are going to be very skeptical and looking more to deeds than words. because certainly his words as a candidate have don

. >> joining me now to talk with this and more, author -- and ron brownstein senior editor for the atlantic. ron, i'm going to stay on point myself. >> yes. >> and ask you why mr. trump said that. >> you know, i remember -- this reminds when george h.w. bush in '92 read the cue card message, i care. kind of reading the stage instructions to the autd jens. look, the last few points in this election, the voters who have moved to make it a closer race than it was in october, are largely voters who are -- have questions about both hillary clinton and donald trump. are voters who may think that -- question her honest and trustworthiness, also question whether trump has the temperament, experience and judgment to success as president. many of the voters are looking more at their doubts about clinton. the goal of the clinton campaign in the last week, clearly is to get them to focus again on their him there almost reminding u see himself, if i can convince enough people that they can envision me as president, maybe i can get there. >> but julianne, arguably, trump went off message when he attacked

. >> i don't want to forget you, ron brownstein. can you put this in some sort of perspective for us? what's going on in our country at the moment? >> yeah. i think, look, this was not a normal election. i think the point of the protesters is to say this was not a normal election. this was a cultural civil war. donald trump ran i think objectively the most racially divisive campaign as george wallace in 1968. he won the electoral college fair and square as sara said but over60 million people voted against him. in the end, hillary clinton will win the popular vote by a larger margin than al gore did and i believe if you look at polling, the vast majority of the coalition that voted against him believes he is either personally a racist or deliberately exploited racial division to help win the election, and i think -- i just think you will see more of this, particularly as he goes forward, if he in fact tries to implement key elements of the agenda he ran on, accelerating deportation, building a wall, banning immigration from large por

ron brownstein is with us now. i want to take a look at everybody who is in play that we know of as of this morning. mitt romney, rudy guiliani general john kelly, david petraeus. senator bob corker. these are possibilities for secretary of state. ron, romney seems to be the one that has everybody talking. primarily because there was such caustic statements, let's say, in this election. particularly from romney saying that donald trump was not fit to be president. but do you just chalk that up, ron, to how the game is played? it's certainly not the first time we have seen two people really go at each other, and then suddenly they've decided to work together once the election is over. >> right. we're looking at the extreme version of that. the plus sized version of that. the comments that mitt romney made about donald trump, i believe, certainly in my lifetime are the most caustic made by a former nominee about a prospective nominee. the criticism was not only on policy grounds, it was on personal grounds. it was a

cnn political analyst, ron brownstein. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. cnn's chief business correspondent christine romans. and jim sciutto is our chief national correspondent. also cnn's michelle kosinski, she's traveling with the president. welcome to all of you. michelle, i'm going to start with you. because, as we zoom in on a very tight shot of your face. but michelle kosinski, i do want to start with you, because that last question by chris jansing from nbc was a tough one for the president. >> there was a lot in the press conference. only two questions from the u.s. side. this was a chance for reporters to ask him those kinds of qeps where it wasn't so much a platform for him to be optimistic or put the face on things. he had to get to the heart of the matter, right? so he talked about the troubling rhetoric. the word he used. he talked about what gives rise to these pop euless movements. that there's inequality out there. and the president, the question about does he take responsibility for it, that's something he wouldn't really answer. help say

let's discuss with cnn's senior political analyst and senior editor for "the atlantic" ron brownstein and jackie kucinich. i heard your knowing murmur there, ron. where do we think we are with mitt romney? >> it's very interesting, if you think back to the campaign the biggest, most systematic breach between donald trump and the republican establishment was in foreign policy. you had these two extraordinary with dozens of former top policy official os saying they do not consider him to be qualified to be president. too reckless to be president. appointing michael flynn as national security adviser does very little to heal that breach. many of the kind of -- >> why? >> because they view him as someone out of the main stream, as well. brilliant but erratic, as well. >> he said incendiary things about islam. >> exactly. appointing mitt romney if he could, in fact, find a way to get to mitt romney as secretary of state could be his best opportunity to build a bridge back into the existing foreign policy infrastructure. rudy giuliani would see like michael flynn as secretary of state. not

. >> we have our political panel ron brownstein, errol louis, jackie ku skrcinich. are you surprised that he breached protocol? >> to me as an outsider looks like chaos within the fbi. leaking like a sieve, statements from people like rudy giuliani saying we have something up our sleeve and i am hearing from people in the agency and then this back and forth. it seems like some of this is being driven by comey trying to get ahead of leaks out of his own agency, of which he has clearly at least partially lost control. >> he did really make it about him. he had an insurrection this summer. he felt he had to come out in july and explain why he wasn't recommending charging. and then went completely breaking protocol said, nobody would have charged her. it was not even a close call and then also criticized her. starting something he couldn't stop. and then he kept putting some on the scale nine days ago, putting out this letter when it was all hands on deck and look at this and make a determination, why publicly announce the probe. >> but he had to come out and do this la

. >> ron brownstein, you study polls. 49% in florida right now for hillary clinton. 47 for donald trump. but when you ask specifically are you extremely or very enthusiastic about voting for the president, clinton voters in florida, 48%. compared to trump voters, 58%. in pennsylvania, 51% for hillary clinton. 50% for donald trump. so what are those numbers? >> it's been a challenge for her from the beginning, generating positive enthusiasm about her candidacy. there's a lot of enthusiasm beyond the democratic coalition about preventing donald trump from being president but the affirmative enthusiasm has been more difficult. those polls are interesting. if you look at where donald trump is, he's in new mexico, colorado, michigan, he's in wisconsin. if he had an easier path to 270, he would not be in those states. all of which hillary clinton has led in from the beginning. on the other hand, he is calling her hand on one of the defining gambles of her candidacy. she's put almost all of her effort in her insurance states, places like florida, nevada, ohio, north carolina. and she has put v

with cnn senior political analyst and senior editor for the atlantic ron brownstein, and cnn contributor and his for an julian zelizer. >> happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. >> julian i want to start with you. what we know now is there is some diversity in terms of the picks, nikki haley or u.n. ambassador, betsy devos for education secretary, maybe ben carson for hud. your point is gentlemen, gender and racial diversity, not ideological diversity. should we be expecting ideological diversity in the cabinet? >> we shouldn't be expecting it at this point. i think he's given the signal, president-elect trump that he will stay to the right. and all of these picks, haley, comes from the tea party movement, devos is a major conservative player, not only in education, but in all sorts of issues, as is ben carson. so i think he's also sending a signal that republicans on the hill, i'm very much on your team. >> but what about in terms of diversity of the picks, ron i'll pose this to you, governor mitt romney as a potential pick for secretary of state. i mean when you look back at their

cnn senior political analyst and senior editor at the atlantic ron brownstein and cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief with the daily beast jackie kucinich. ron, one of the cute things that trump has done with this is say the law says i could do both. >> right. >> that's misleading. there is no specific law about this because it was never anticipated. but certainly the constitution and the ethics requirements of the office make clear that you can't run a business and run the country so what does he need to do? >> well, look, in fact, almost every ethics lawyer you will talk to, can take out the almost in that sentence, would say that the answer here, the only real answer, is for trump to liquidate his assets and turn them over -- convert them into a blind trust run by a disinterested -- >> not going to happen. >> -- administer. not going to happen. in this case you still have the core issue here which is that interests at home and especially abroad inexorably will view it as a way to curry favor with the new president and new administration to make business deals with a tru

we have analyst ron brownstein and author of "how's your faith" david gregory and we have matt lewis and jackie kucinich. >> it takes an entire segment. >> david, what did you think of the final pitches? >> i think it indicates what they're thinking about and what the big priorities are. hillary clinton in philadelphia with a real end game. that's a lot of pageantry. a lot of stars. you had michelle and barack obama. all of the star power. really an example of where she wants to close. turn out a strong minority vote in a state like pennsylvania. turn out college educated white vote and the counties of philadelph philadelphia. and ending in north carolina to tap into the historic turn out and surge among latino voters which could be divisive where trump is in michigan showing he has signs of real concern. it may be tough for him to tip the balance of working class white voters in the midwest which could be in his favor. it shows you where they are nervous and focus in that last time of argument. >> what do both campaigns need to happen today? this is where they are. they are not work

. >> and ron brownstein, speculation earlier that kellyanne conway doesn't do something like this, doesn't send those tweets on thanksgiving day, unless she thinks there's a real shot at president-elect might actually pick mitt romney? >> you know, i feel we should get a single key on all of our computers to press one key and get in an unprecedented development, comma. certainly what kellyanne conway did yesterday was unlike anything we've seen with a transig. a senior adviser going public basically laying down a case against a nominee who is ostensively under consideration. a really kwefrl choice, consequential choice. the breach between donald trump and infrastructure, so much greater. everyone you would expect to see in a deputy and assistant secretary of state level at both the state department and the pentagon signed letters saying during the campaign they believed he was unqualified by temperament, judgment and experience to be commander in chief. and i think if you appointed someone like romney, you have an opportunity to build bridges back to those generations of republican experti

ron brownstein is here, the guru, the data, let's go through it. you were look at, as we were talking to gary tuchman. 7:00 is the earliest some polls close. you're looking at southern states. >> virginia in particular. >> so let's talk about virginia first. >> virginia in many ways may be the new ohio. the state that most closely miniaturizes kind of all the demographic trends in the country. it was the closest in the 2012 to the overall national margin. tipping a little further towards the democrats this year because of the mix of support for the two candidates. virginia is a state where we get an early read on whether clinton's advantage among college, white collar suburbites is as big as polls say and how strong trump is in that rural blue collar vote in the swec southwest part of the state. >> georgia's interesting because look, georgia, it's been close in the polls but people expect trump will likely win there. still, there are some very important signs. >> two big ones. how big is the african-american turnout in georgia. that's a big questio

kirsten powers, ron brownstein, nia-malika henderson, kaleigh mcenany. what happened? >> it's a story of unbalanced or disproportionate mobilization. donald trump blew the doors off. he won non-college white voters by more than ronald reagan did against walter mondale. he dominated outside of urban areas. look at these maps of wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan. there are just a couple little blue -- a couple blueberries in this red sea. everywhere outside the metro areas. clinton did not collapse in the democratic coalition, but she sagged slightly among minorities and millennials. and among college-educated whites she gained ground as we expected, but not nearly as much ground as we expected. and in this kind of just cultural civil war, i think that this election was, she fell just short in those three states. pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin. that ended up deciding it. she lost by a point or less. she will probably, almost certainly, win the popular vote, but the size of -- by the way, it wasn't a big increase in the share. it was the margins, the consolida

. >> and feelings when people say ron brownstein, ohio is no longer the bellwether? does that hurt your feelings? >> do you take it personally? >> maybe a little. denine later. >> florida is such a big deal because it will tell us something about nevada. actually tell us about north carolina as well, in terms of that surge of the hispanic vote. given all the predictions, i think if people are terribly wrong and we've been wrong about what donald trump is capable of before, we really have to wait and see the results of michigan. wait to see whether he has the capacity and the upper midwest to mobilize a turnout among working-class white voters we haven't seen before and rival that of riggen in 19 -- reighen in 1984, without that, with women, college educated voters, we know how the deck is stacked against him and also know where hi strengths are. >> getting to the notion a lot of people discussed the idea there's a secret trump vote out there. there might be voters who aren't slowi ining at the polls. sean spicer says no secrets. tons of data. the notion is out there.

joining me is ben ferguson, cnn political commentator, ron brownstein, senior political analyst and senior editor for the atlantic and josh rogen, columnist for "the washington post." i had this lengthy interview with nigel farage. i know all of you were listening. so ben, what stuck out in your mind? >> i think there's definitely some lobbying going on for him to get this position and be able to work with donald trump and to have i think better communication and better understanding between these two countries. the big question is, is this a smart move politically because there's going to be a lot of people in parliament that are not going to like this and are not going to like feeling that they are being pressured by donald trump or nigel. both of them are lightning rods in their own countries and they are probably going to fight back i think maybe even harder against this because of the fact this has become such a public conversation. will they be able to use the media to their advantage? i don't know. it will be an interesting conversation to see where this one guess. >> yes, it will.

our friend ron brownstein was on the program earlier talking about the blue wall the phrase he coined to describe the democratic advantage. it still gives her an opportunity to kind of hold on to key states like that and to tack on colorado, nevada, et cetera, so she can lose some of these big battlegrounds we're talking about and still get to 270. he's having to campaign, as are the primary surrogates in mike pence, going to states like a michigan, like a wisconsin, where there's scant evidence that he's really got an opportunity to turn the state blue there but it's competitive enough to give it a try. and i still think that gives her the advantage. >> and quickly, david, what is the realistic ability to change anything between now and election day? >> i really think it's about who shows up, chris. so if you're the clinton campaign you've got all these surrogates you can touch all of the demographic buttons on the electoral map, you've got to see that as an advantage for her. but again, republicans seem to be coming home. you have the republican committee out there, the party out th

brownstein. >> you look inside the numbers -- >> we talked about it before, this race will produce the biggest gap ever between the way noncollege and college whites vote. what we talk about the class inversion. when you and i were growing up. when your dad was in politics, the democrats were the parto of the white working class and the republicans were the class of people. that world has been eroding and reversing over the last 40 years and it will reach a new peak. in both of these polls, hillary clinton is 20 points better. running 20 points better among whites with a college education than whites without a college education. you will see this play out powerfully in a place like north carolina where donald trump is probably going to rack up a much bigger margin than mitt romney. he has the risk of losing the suburbs of charlotte and raleigh where hillary clinton seem to be by a larger margin. i think in the end why colorado stay and the democratic coalition are socially educated whites and the minority voters. the states that fit that profile are in the bullseye for her. ohio and io

>> want to talk about this with the master of demographics, cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein. want to start with the point that both candidates are going to both pennsylvania and michigan today. from a mathematical perspective, it's easy to see why donald trump and hillary clinton are focused on the states because if you flip them, make the blue states red and donald trump picks up florida and another swing state like north carolina, it's over. if he gets those, it's over. but when we are talking about the rust belt, there's something else going on. >> right. big story here. you look back at kind of the modern era of presidential politics since 1992, we have really had two big buckets of swing states. one is the rust belt. michigan, wisconsin, ohio, iowa and pennsylvania. states with a lot of blue collar white voters but democrats have been able to do better in the rust belt among those voters than they have really anywhere else in the country. as a result, over these last six elections, those five rust belt swing states, they have won 27 out of 30 times. this year, though, d

our colleague from atlantic media national journalism from atlantic magazine, ron brownstein has a great turn that we've seen the subversion, political inversion. if you think back to the franklin roosevelt new deal coalition, you know, one a central element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition , they have either left, or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it to the point where trump won noncollege educated whites by a 39-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by a 32-point margin, so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got, and reagan won a 10-point landslide and this was an election where trump actually, you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly, it was not anything like the 10-point blowout-- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. that me -- let me just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as pa

i think ron brownstein told me one out of tep does it. i wonder if we will see more ticket splitting because of the trump effect both trump voters who don't vote for the republican senator because they don't think he's been sufficiently supportive of donald trump and vice versa, people who like marco rubio but don't like donald trump. >> i think we will. >> i think we will. of course, it's only anecdotal but there are plenty of people who are saying the way they're going to deal with the trump phenomenon is just to go in and don't vote for the top and vote republican all the way down or vote for hillary and vote republican all the way down. >> to david's point, trump is on the stump reminding people how he beat rubio in florida. >> did he do that? >> he's always talking about the primary. >> the tricky thing is for the republican party as an entity, who do you turn out? do you turn out voters who are going to support your embattled senate candidates? even if they're not for donald trump? do you turn out trump voters? this is one of the or

our colleague from atlantic media national journal from atlantic magazine, ron brownstein has a great turn that we have seen this in version political inversion. , if you think back to the franklin roosevelt new deal coalition. one essential element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition, they have either left, or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it to , the point where trump won noncollege educated whites by a 39-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by a 32-point margin, so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got, and reagan won a 10-point landslide and this was an election where trump actually, you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly, it was not anything like the 10-point blowout-- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. let me just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as particularly impor

our colleague from atlantic media national journal from atlantic magazine, ron brownstein, has a great turn that we have seen this inversion, this political inversion. if you think back to the franklin-roosevelt new deal coalition, one essential element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition. they have either left, or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it, to the point where trump won non-college-educated whites by a 39-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by a 32-point margin. so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got, and reagan won a 10-point landslide . this was an election where trump actually, you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly, it was not anything like the 10-point blowout -- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. let me just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as particularly imp

with me is matt visor for the boston globe, ron brownstein from the atlantic and larry sabato, from the center of politics at the university of virginia. before we delve into this recount thing that's going on, i want to talk about general david petraeus, because it's just some might call it odd that general petraeus is being considered for secretary of state when he admitted guilt to mishandling classified information, and isn't that -- isn't that what donald trump complained so bitterly about when hillary clinton served as secretary of state, that she mishandled classified information? >> carol, that was before the election. you should have wiped your server clean on november 8th. i think it's shocking you are calling these things from prior to the election. kidding, of course. look, obviously if he is picked and there's a large group of people now being considered for secretary of state, if he's picked, president-elect trump and the trump team will have to explain this. it's also true that just about everybody who knows general petraeus will tell you that he's a very, very able perso

our colleague from atlantic media national journal from atlantic magazine, ron brownstein, has a great turn that we have seen this in version, this political inversion. if you think back to the franklin roosevelt new deal coalition, one essential element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition. they have either left, or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it, to the point where trump won non-college-educated whites by a 39-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by a 32-point margin, so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got, and reagan won a 10-point landslide and this was an election where trump actually, you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly, it was not anything like the 10-point blowout -- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. um, let me just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as particula

brownstein has a great turn that we've seen the subversion, political inversion and if you think back to the franklin roosevelt new deal coalition, you know, one a central element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition and they had either left or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it to the point where trump one noncollege educated whites by 839-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by eight 32-point margin, so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got at reagan won a 10-point landslide and this was an election where trump actually , you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly nothing like the 10-point blowout-- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. leslie just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as particularly important. those voters under 45, they were 44% of the electorate and clinton won them

our colleague from atlantic media national journal from atlantic magazine, ron brownstein, has a great turn that we have seen this inversion, this political inversion. if you think back to the franklin roosevelt new deal coalition, one essential element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition. they have either left, or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it, to the point where trump won non-college-educated whites by a 39-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by a 32-point margin, so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got, and reagan won a 10-point landslide and this was an election where trump actually, you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly, it was not anything like the 10-point blowout -- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. um, let me just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as particular

our colleague from atlantic media national journalism from atlantic magazine, ron brownstein has a great turn that we've seen the subversion, political inversion. if you think back to the franklin roosevelt new deal coalition, you know, one a central element of it was basically blue-collar whites, working-class whites, central part of the new deal coalition , they have either left, or i guess you could say the democratic party had left them or driven them away or however you want to characterize it to the point where trump won noncollege educated whites by a 39-point margin. here's a frame of reference. reagan won them by a 32-point margin, so seven points more, greater than what ronald reagan got, and reagan won a 10-point landslide and this was an election where trump actually, you know, seems to have lost the popular vote by, you know, a fraction of a percent, but certainly, it was not anything like the 10-point blowout-- 10-point landslide like ronald reagan achieved over jimmy carter. that me -- let me just run through just some of the exit poll data that just jumped out at me as pa

>> on the larger picture tonight what i'll be looking at is our friend ron brownstein, the man who coined the phrase, the blue wall. 18 states plus the district of columbia that have voted six consecutive times for the democratic candidate and have 242 electoral votes. he says, mr. brownstein, the loosest bricks in the brick wall are wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. the question is will any of them be changed or will we go into 2020 saying there are now 18 states and d.c., seven consecutive times have voted for the democrats? >> laura, we talked about with the last panel a changing electorate. a changing map on both of the republicans where they do well, and the democrats with demographics. >> yeah, in florida, some of the early exit poll results show that the electorate has gotten more nonwhite. gone up from 33% and if these numbers hold to 39%. that shows the changing demographics in the state of florida. much of this was predicted. and that's going to be something that, of course, we have to keep a lookout in nevada. states like north carolina where immigration is very important,