melinda: wikileaks played a major role. how do you see that role of the platform that you used to work with, how does it become a tool of cybercrime? >> it is a little more complicated than that. if you are on such a platform and your objective is to publish information that has been secret previously are before, then it is hard to decide that you don't want to publish certain information just because it won't fit your clinical agenda. even if you don't agree with what you're publishing, you need to put out what you have. thereou have to ask, were them else from the republican party as well and that is what downlls down to -- boils to. let the they didn't republican emails out to the public. wikileaks took sides. >> that is a problem with the lack of a transparency. been taking a side in this election. being takenis now by donald trump that he rejected the cia claims saying it is ridiculous. you say he needs to decide side he is on, malte lehming, but are you saying there could be intentional cooperation between him and the

wikileaks. hillary should fire podesta. how do you have people working that say these horrible things about you? i love reading those wikileaks. >> well, based on that tape reel, there's no question donald trump made information from the wikileaks hack a major focus during the final weeks of the campaign. now let's listen to josh earnest today. >> it was obvious to everyone who was paying attention, including the gentleman whose thumbs authored that tweet that the impact of that malicious activity benefited the trump campaign and hurt the clinton campaign. that's why the republican nominee was hoping they would do more of it. that is why in the days leading up to election day the republican nominee himself was encouraging people to check out wikileaks. >> meanwhile, today the "new york times" reports the russian campaign to disrupt the u.s. election wasn't limited to the race for the white house. dozens of democratic house candidates were also targeted. the hackers linked to russian intelligence went by the name gucher if 2

wikileaks. hillary should fire podesta. how do you have people working that say these horrible things about you? . i love reading those wikileaks. >> well, based on that tape reel, there's no question donald trump made information from the wikileaks hack a major focus during the final weeks of the campaign. now let's listen to josh earnest today. >> it was obvious to everyone who was paying attention, including the gentleman whose thumbs authored that tweet that the impact of that malicious activity benefited the trump campaign and hurt the clinton campaign. that's why the republican nominee was hoping they would do more of it. that is why in the days leading up to election day the republican nominee himself was encouraging people to check out wikileaks. >> meanwhile, today the "new york times" reports the russian campaign to disrupt the u.s. election wasn't limited to the race for the white house. dozens of democratic house candidates were also targeted. the hackers linked to russian intelligence went by the name gucher if

however, i think hillary clinton not being trustworthy happened way before the wikileaks issue. the reason why bernie sanders and i covered him for a long time, why he went so far, why in january people thought he was going to go anywhere, and it took him all the way to the dnc to get a role count is because hillary clinton didn't resonate with a large part of this population. she obviously won the nomination, but she had real problems that showed even when she was getting nominated, she had issues kind of really sealing it up until the summer. so i don't think you can say the wikileaks e-mails are why people didn't trust hillary clinton. >> i think people would argue that 30 years of the media treating her in a particular way didn't happen in a vacuum. but at an event in new york, hillary clinton with her top donors, she talked about the russian hacking. she called it not just an attack on her campaign, but an attack against our country. take a listen. >> putin publicly blamed me for the outpouring of outrage by his own people. and that is the direct line between what he said b

of course, he didn't know there was a thing called wikileaks. boy, i love reading those wikileaks. >> what's interesting to me is all those comments either in late october to early november came well after the obama administration concluded that russia was involved in these wikileaks hacks and also, on october 19th before all those comments you saw from donald trump, marco rubio, the republican senator of florida was saying, hey, i think people shouldn't even touch the wikileaks story given it's a foreign state that has involvement in our elections and donald trump and his campaign kept pressing the issue. >> and mark, the latest and part of the media involvement is that it's stolen information and there's now criticism and we have to reflect as the media on the reporting of these hacked e-mails that were stolen. >> reporter: tamron, that's right. the news media including msnbc and nbc news were reporting on wikileaks. we had teams looking through them. i think we were always saying that we haven't been able to authenticate them, talking about w

clinton, obama and the left have been pushing the idea that wikileaks worked hand in hand with russia to produce podesta's e-mails, but the facts say otherwise. yesterday i had the founder of wikileaks, julian assange, on my radio show and he said russia did not give him the podesta e-mails. do they have any proof? so far they haven't presented it, but listen to assange. >> our source is not the russian government. >> so in other words let me be clear, russia did not give you the podesta documents or anything from the dnc? >> that's correct. >> can you confirm whether or not you have information involving hacked info from the rnc? >> we received about three pages of information to do with the rnc and trump, but it was already public somewhere else. >>> whether you like julian assange and wikileaks or not, for ten years they have never been proven to have gotten anything wrong. not one time. then there's president obama on the daily show saying there was no vote tampering done by the russians in this election. he told us himself. take a look. >>> we were, frankly, more concerned in the

>> that's correct. >> earlier today i interviewed wikileaks founder julian assange. we spoke out, and he spoke out about russian hacking and the reports and much more. we have highlights of that interview, and we'll get reaction from "the fives" kimberly guilfoyle and eric bolling as this busy news night continues on "hannity." ♪ bolling as this generosity is its own form of power. you can handle being a mom for half an hour. i'm in all the way. is that understood? i don't know what she's up to, but it's not good. can't the world be my noodles and butter? get your mind out of the gutter. mornings are for coffee and contemplation. that was a really profound observation. you got a mean case of the detox blues. don't start a war you know you're going to lose. finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. on xfinity x1. ♪ >>> live from america's news headquarters, i'm jackie ibanez in new york. a kansas official wants a list of thousands of voters with temporary driver's license. kansas secretary of state chris kobach is a

they were leaking stuff out through wikileaks. and so i thought it was important to put the fbi on notice. do something about it. i wrote in august. and the fbi director didn't have the decency, courtesy to even respond to my letter. i got something from the government affairs department, somebody who probably doesn't know his way down to the capitol sent me a letter saying we are looking into it. they looked into nothing. >> why do you think that is? >> well, it's obvious he was a partisan in all of this. >> comey? >> yeah. comey. it's obvious. there's information out there, he had it and i'm confident he ignored it. people in the campaign for donald trump were in touch with the russians and now it's very clear, one of the biggest mysteries that people think exists, why didn't he do something? no mystery to me. >> you mentioned this august briefing that prompted you to send this letter to comey for a further -- >> yes, of course. >> what did you specifically learn in that -- >> the august briefing i already said the stuff that i'

when he said he was in touch with wikileaks and julian assange. carter page went to russia before the republican convention and met with a person in the russian hierarchy responsible for collecting intelligence. what did trump inc. know and when? were they in touch with the russians? >> so you've got questions being raised by former clinton campaign chair and at the same time a lot of people pointing the finger at clinton campaign folks. there are a lot of donor displeasure. $1.2 billion. he acknowledged to chuck there will be an accounting. people, democrats want to know where did their money go? >> $1.2 billion for an election that hinged on 77,000 votes. most people's telling of the time wasn't supposed to be close at all. the clinton campaign and clinton herself want to explain themselves to their donors. that's what the event thursday night was about when she said vladimir putin had a personal vendetta against her. but that doesn't square with the facts on the ground. it doesn't explain why she didn't campaign in wisconsin, why she didn't cam

you didn't know there was a thing called wikileaks. >> i love reading the wikileaks. >> wikileaks, wikileaks. >> he's using the fruits of an espionage operation, an attack on the united states, to score political points against hillary clinton. craig, there are so many strands of this that will be investigated for the next four years. this is not just a passing news story. it does remind me of watergate. i'm not saying it's going to lead to trump's impeachment. i don't know how much trump knew about this in advance. i'm not suggesting that. but in terms of the strands of this, in terms of the shadow that this will cast on the trump presidency, it is very much like waterigate, which was about the 1972 election and then the next three years until nixon's resignation, were all dominated by that. >> to be clear, this is not right now at least, this is not a partisan issue. you have the senior senator from south carolina, lindsey graham, the senior senator from arizona, john mccain, other prominent republicans as well saying there may be more to this than meets the eye. let's pivot. i want to tal

wikileaks today. she gave the questions to a debate to hillary clinton. >> wikileaks just came out with a new one. just a little while ago. >> her campaign in wikileaks has spoken horribly about catholics and evangelicals. they've got it all done, folks. wikileaks. >> hillary should fire to test data. how do you have people working that say these horrible things about you? i love reading those wikileakss. >> based on the tape there's no question that donald trump made information from the wikileaks hack a major focus during the final weeks of the campaign. now listen to josh earnest today. >> it was obvious to everyone paying attention including the gentleman's who thumbs authored that tweet that the impact of that malicious activity benefitted the trump campaign and hurt the clinton campaign. that's why the republican nominee was hoping they would do more of it. that's why in the days leading up to election day the republican nominee himself was encouraging people to check out wikileaks. >> meanwhile

he couldn't do enough to help and everyone knows that wikileaks, everyone should know, wikileaks was involved from the very beginning. they leaked the information as if temperature one of the great political operatives of america. when in fact it was run by the operatives in russia. and russia has a pretty good way of cheating, look what they did with athletes. this is just the needle under the tent. the point is this is just the beginning and i'm so happy that the administration is going to demand that the work is being done before he leaves, and you notice he didn't ask the fbi to do it. >> just to be clear, to reiterate, you believe, sir, we're talking to senator harry reid, you believe that jim comey, the fbi director had this information and deliberately with held it from the american people before the election, is that your contention, sir? >> that is true. >> and you had senator lindsay graham who is the only republican who expressed -- do you believe that the administration's investigation is all we're going to get? >> i believe lindsay graham is a voice of concern. he's an a

officials, the "post" said individuals connected to the russian government gave wikileaks hacked emails from the democratic national committee and the clinton campaign chairman. the "new york times" reported u.s. intelligence agencies had discovered the russians also hacked republican national committee computers but kept that stolen data to themselves. the republican national committee communications director, sean spicer, denied that today on cnn. >> i know that we have worked with intelligence agencies right now that are saying that we have not been hacked. >> stewart: senate democratic leaders called on intelligence agencies to hand over any information concerning russian cyber attacks of any kind and demanded a bipartisan congressional inquiry. in a phone call on msnbc's "a.m. joy," senate democratic leader harry reid charged f.b.i. director james comey with withholding information he had prior to the election on russian cyber attacks. >> the f.b.i. had this material for a long time. comey-- who, you know, is a republican-- refused to divulge this information regarding russia. >> s

the hacks exposed via wikileaks, e-mails belonging to the clinton campaign team and the dnc. another wave of attacks hit voter registration data from safeboards of elections. >> we gave considerable thought to timing out russia with that statement. >> reporter: clapper told lawmakers last month that after the u.s. government publicly blamed russia, attacks against the state boards dropped off. >> i was referring to the cyber reconnaissance that we had observed. >> reporter: clapper said the russian link to wikileaks and the clinton campaign e-mails was more tenuous, when pressed by the committee's senior democrat. >> i want to drill down a little further into your comment that the russian activity curtailed after they issued the statement. the dumping of documents didn't end. >> as far as the wikileaks connection, the evidence there is not strong and we don't have good insight into the sequencing of the releases or when the data may have been provided. >> reporter: in letter monday, the republican chairman of the house committee, devin nunes, asked clapper to reconcile by fri

they were posted by wikileaks be we have former british ambassador report, wikileaks operative tells daily mail a disgusted democrat handed over clip clin e-mail clinton emmails to him on a disk. this insider was reportedly upset about the corruption of the clinton foundation. and the tilting of democratic playing field against bernie sanders, now reports that say that russian hackers had nothing to do with this leak could we're on this for you, next up, sanctuary city of chicago created a million dollar legal didn't fund for illegal immigrants, now san francisco going for the same thing, at 5 times level that sum, my next guest's son was shot and killed by an illegal immigrant, who was deported 4 times, however that illegal imgrap returns to hide in a sanctuary stay just like city. this father responds after this. don't go away. see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious.t... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque pso

tweeting -- adam: as wikileak founder flatly said that russia had nothing do do with it. >> lot me be clear. russia did not give you the poh podesta document or anything from the dnc . >> correct. >> can you confirm have you any information involving you have hacked info from the rnc . >> we received about 3 pages of information to do with the rnc, and trump. but it was already public. adam: julian assange on hannity last night, now joining me, eric beech, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. adam: the congressman said, take whatever action necessary to protect the integrity our democracy. it does not sound like he is sincere. not accepting the trump victory seems to be an attack on the process. >> he should take vote of president obama today, said it is not the eelectricker's job -- elect or's job it is the will of the american people there has been a recount effort by jill stein in wisconsin, and michigan. if you want to look at tamperring, look at third debate, one of the candidates of given the questions in advance from a major news outlet. look, do we have to investigate what

remember wikileaks? well, they exposed how the mainstream media was caught red handed. what were they trying to do? influence the election, help hillary clinton win, cleing interim dnc chair donna brazile leaking debate questions to the clinton campaign. how about doing an investigation into that? how did they help hillary cheat can? liberals in the media have been pushing the idea russia used julian assange to try to impact the election and gave wikileaks access to john podesta's in box. assange head russia did not give him the e-mails, and when i interviewed julian assange on my radio show, here is what he told me about the democrats pushing a connection to russia. >> the democrats always speaking about how terrible mccarthyism was, and it was in many ways. but at least the ussr existed then and there were russian campaigns in the united states which were serious. what we are seeing now is hillary clinton and her campaign trying to whip up a near mcka t mccarthy hysteria where she claims -- she claims that effectively donald trump is an agent of the russians, that wik

wikileaks goes back ten years. they haven't done anything to fix -- he hacked into nasa and the d.o.d. when he was 16 years old. >> yeah. the director of national intelligence, james clapper said conveniently in early october that he assessed that it was the russians that hack into the dnc a month before the election. it's one of the quickest consensus to form within the intelligence community ever. now when you have obama saying let's have a report by the way before i leave office on this, it makes me nervous, given over eight years of plit zags of the intelligence community by the obama administration. >> for example, do you remember when the cia -- i want to make a distinction. i love our intelligence officials. the guys on the ground. they risk their lives for their country and i love them. other officials at the ci action, they did alter officially the talking points for benghazi. they bought into a narrative. they never talked to the guys on the ground in benghazi. they did alter the talking points and buy in

we're conflating, was russia involved with wikileaks? yes, absolutely, and we need to develop the capability to do something about it. when president obama comes out and says i told putin to knock it off and he knocked it off, you had donna brazile saying on tv that's not the case. they didn't just knock it off because president obama said so. that's a fundamentally different thing than did russia illegitimately steal this election for donald trump -- martha: yeah. that's a leap, i think, people will get to in time. however, i keep going back to the main point which is you can't be outraged that your e-mails are stolen when a server is outside -- >> martha. martha: quick thought, mary ann. >> comey, 11 days before the election came out and talked about possible e-mails, and then there was nothing there. yet we've not heard one word from james comey on anything about wikileaks, and it clearly played a role in this election. that is shameful. martha: point made. good to see you both. bill: so the interim held of the dnc not the only ones b

now wikileaks proved what many of us had suspected for a long time, the clintons are corrupt. the mainstream alt-left media is corrupt as well and they were colluding with the clinton campaign. we learned the dnc worked against bernie sanders in a corrupt way an we learned that some the dnc e-mails contained racist, sexist, homophobic and anti-semitic language. in my opinion the country was better off because the truth was told to you, the american people. now all the administration cares about is hacking. my question to president obama, where have you been for eight years. look at this list. these government agencies have been hacked dating back to 2012 and the obama administration didn't lift a finger to try to fix the problem. i've said it many times on this program, yes, julian asage is controversial but did he not do us a favor by exposing one of our glaring weaknesses and shouldn't we have been fixing it the last eight years? if the left is so upset about publishing stolen material were if you're really consistent intellectually, where was the outra outrage when "the new

. >> earlier today i spoke with wikileaks founder julian asage. we've got the highlights. we'll get reaction from kimberly guilfoyle and eric bolling. also tonight, joe manchin will come on the show and talking about the incoming trump administration and his meeting with donald trump and much more straight ahead. >>> welcome back to "hannity." democratic cry babies all across the country are having a hard time accepting the crushing defeat to president-elect donald trump and they're now trying to blame their loss on russian interference. earlier today on my radio show i interviewed wikileaks founder julian assange and asked him about this and more. >> our source is not the russian government. >> in other words, let me be clear, russia did not give you the podesta documents or anything from the dnc. >> that's correct. >> can you confirm whether or not you have information involving hacked info from the rnc? >> we received about three pages of information to do with the rnc and trump. but it was already public somewhere else. >> without revealing your sources, would it be fa

the hacks exposed via wikileaks, e-mails belonging to the clinton campaign team and the dnc. another wave of attacks hit voter registration data from safeboards of elections. >> we gave considerable thought to timing out russia with that statement. >> reporter: clapper told lawmakers last month that after the u.s. government publicly blamed russia, attacks against the state boards dropped off. >> i was referring to the cyber reconnaissance that we had observed. >> reporter: clapper said the russian link to wikileaks and the clinton campaign e-mails was more tenuous, when pressed by the committee's senior democrat. >> i want to drill down a little further into your comment that the russian activity curtailed after they issued the statement. the dumping of documents didn't end. >> as far as the wikileaks connection, the evidence there is not strong and we don't have good insight into the sequencing of the releases or when the data may have been provided. >> reporter: in letter monday, the republican chairman of the house committee, devin nunes, asked clapper to reconcile by fri

the hacks exposed via wikileaks, e-mails belonging to the clinton campaign team and the dnc. another wave of attacks hit voter registration data from safeboards of elections. >> we gave considerable thought to timing out russia with that statement. >> reporter: clapper told lawmakers last month that after the u.s. government publicly blamed russia, attacks against the state boards dropped off. >> i was referring to the cyber reconnaissance that we had observed. >> reporter: clapper said the russian link to wikileaks and the clinton campaign e-mails was more tenuous, when pressed by the committee's senior democrat. >> i want to drill down a little further into your comment that the russian activity curtailed after they issued the statement. the dumping of documents didn't end. >> as far as the wikileaks connection, the evidence there is not strong and we don't have good insight into the sequencing of the releases or when the data may have been provided. >> reporter: in letter monday, the republican chairman of the house committee, devin nunes, asked clapper to reconcile by fri

. >> earlier today i spoke with wikileaks founder julian asage. we've got the highlights. we'll get reaction from kimberly guilfoyle and eric bolling. also tonight, joe manchin will come on the show and talking about the incoming trump administration and his meeting with donald trump and much more straight ahead. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. >>> welcome back to "hannity." democratic cry babies all across the country are having a hard time accepting the crushing defeat to president-elect donald trump and they're now trying to blame their loss on russian interference. earlier today on my radio show i interviewed wikileaks founder julian assange and asked him about this and more. >> our source is not the russian government. >> in other words, let me be clear, russia did not give you the podesta documents or anything from the dnc. >> that's correct. >> can you confirm whethe

by the way, i want to underscore wikileaks is a foreign organization as well. and that then having an impact on the campaign. most certainly the people that work in the clinton campaign think that the wikileaks data dump was a devastating impact on their electoral candidate's prospect to become president of the united states. if that was provided by russia, and that is what we learned over the weekend, that is something we need to investigate, know the facts as president-elect trump said, and then think about what measures can be taken so that our election in 2020 is free and fair. >> i agree with mike on getting it clear with what is right. i think that's important. but the head of the wiki -- wikileaks operation says it wasn't the russians that gave him the material, so there are all sorts of things going on. >> and the cia over the weekend said it was. we need to know the facts. >> sreenivasan: you used to run the cia and also are advising president-elect trump. have you given them any guidance, the transition team or the president-elect's innercircle on doi

the russian links to dnc and releases by wikileaks was in fact more tenuous. >> as far as the wikileaks connection, evidence there is not strong and we don't have good insight into sequencing of releases. or when the data may have been provided. >> the fbi director had reservations in october about publicly blaming russia. they have until friday. turning now with more on this, former director in charge of fbi. the cia didn't release the stuff publicly, but the reports came out they believe russia had these e-mails and done so to p interfere, had interfered with the presidential election. now we find out the fbi is not on board with that conclusion and the director of national intelligence says look, i can't say the cia is wrong. only that they can't prove intent. so do you think some of our friends in the media in particular got ahead of their skis saying russian wanted trump to bin and interfered with the election to make it so. >> first off, this hacking is a terrible things. it's been going on for what, decades, a long, long time. all of my government records were disclosed by the op

clinton, someone leaked her e-mails to wikileak, and wikileaks leaked them to the public. hacking occurs when someone remotely enters a computer operational system and alters the operational system, an example would be to remove cash from a bank account or remove names from a address booker on alter vote totals. is there evidence that leaking? absolutely, 50,000 of mrs. clinton's colleagues e-mails were leaked to wikileak. but there is no evidence of hacking, because if you wanted to alter vote totals, you would not hack mrs. clinton or the dnc, you would hack the various state registrars who record the names of people who are registered to vote and record what the votes are. liz: what do you make of their argument that wikileak swayed the elections and russia is to blame? >> well, i have not seen the raw data. we have 17 known publicly known intelligence agencies that the united states, they have all used same data, they get raw data from the nsa, because nsa for better or worse, has unfettered access to every fiber optic cable in u.s., it can obtain in real team every e-

giving them the wink and the nod indicating that they should release the documents that they hacked to wikileaks and of course, that happened. so i mean, the release happened.

that's what happened with the wikileaks. if it was the russians. even though assange said it wasn't the russians. >> are you confident that president-elect trump is ready to deal with the cybersecurity in there are black markets of hackers out there that they demand large sums of money. they're very good at what they do. and they're all over the place. this is a continued threat that we face. duping do you think he's prepared to fight that? >> i do. i think he's putting people in his cabinet and on his national security team that will be focused on it. will he personally go in and create a fire wall? no. i doubt he's that tech savvy. but he's putting people in place that recognize the importance of it. one of the things i would love to see the government do, instead of putting smart young kids in prison and ruining their lives, tap into what they know that we don't know about how to get into these security systems. i mean that would be a pretty fair deal to find out how did you get into the defense department computer any way and find out where the

trump loved his wikileaks during the campaign. you probably saw it if you tuned in here and saw any of donald trump's speeches towards the end of the campaign. he aggressively used the content of those stolen e-mails released by wikileaks in his speeches to supporters in order to get them to believe him and to not trust hillary clinton. those comments now viewed, though n a totally new context. as u.s. intelligence officials tell nbc news that vladimir putin was personally involved in directing the hacking efforts of the dnc and john podesta. joining me is senator ed markey of massachusetts, who sits on the senate foreign relations committee. senator markey, thank you for joining me. first off, i want to talk to you about what is going to happen in the senate foreign relations committee. ap is reporting they plan to hold an open hearing in january to examine russia's activities. is that the case? >> well, yeah, senator bob corker, republican from tennessee, has announced that he's going to have a heang on this issue, as it relates

however, hillary clinton not being trustworthy happened way before the wikileaks issue. the why bernie sanders went so far, why in january people thought he wasn't going to go anywhere and it took going to the dnc to get a roll count is because she didn't resonate with the population. she had real problems that showed even when she was getting nominated she had issues really sealing it up all the way. >> thank you, kristen welker, yamiche alcindor and eugene robinson. >>> coming up, roy cooper is threatening legal action against his state's republicans as they try to unseat him before he's even sworn in to office. that's next, and this is "hardball." as after a dvt blood clot,ital i sure had a lot to think about. what about the people i care about? ...including this little girl. and what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital, but wondered, was this the best treatment for me? so i asked my doctor. and he recommended eliquis. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots and reduces the risk of them happening again. yes, eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots

he didn't know there was a thing called wikileaks, right? i love reading those wikileaks. >> president obama says that u.s. can't let partisan politics take the nation's focus off the hacking. >> this is part of what i meant when i said that we got to think about what is happening it our political culture here. the russians can't change us. or significantly weaken us. they are a smaller country. they are a weaker country. their economy doesn't produce anything that anybody wants to buy except oil and gas and arms. they don't innovate. but, they can impact us if we lose track of who we are. they can impact us if we abandon our values. >> joining me now is congressman greg meeks, democrat from new york, who serves on the foreign affairs committee, and former ambassador to the united nations and former gernor of new mexico, bill richardson. thank you, both, for being here. >> good being with you. >> thank you. >> congressman, let me go to you first. a lot to get to, but let me ask you first of all, what kinds of responses are available to presi

we knew wikileaks was coming out, drip by drip by drip. they wouldn't do it all at once, of course, baz they were coordinating this with the trump folks and russians. >> reporter: just to be clear. are you saying the russian government was, in fact, trying to steer this election to donald trump? >> my opinion is, yes, we got no basis in fact from the fbi. they ignored it. now we're hearing that you guys are reporting all this stuff from the intelligence agencies. they clearly see it. >> reporter: so, do you think trump in any way is an illegitimate president because of the russian involvement? >> no, i never said that. i wish someone else would have won even though hillary clinton is going to get about 3 million more votes than he did and we have the college system and we accept that. >> reporter: would trump have won, in your opinion, would trump have won this race if russia did not get involved? >> all i know is russia helped a lot. those wikileaks coming out, drip, drip, drip, hurt her. and comey helped trump significantly. a week befor

that's when the number started to shift and that didn't have anything to do with wikileaks, there was were her words, her smug face, i think you all really need to realize that you have angered 100 million people and more in this country. your days are numbered, so wake up and take that message back to your lavish little places in washington. >> guest: okay you are bringing out a lot of partisan comments this morning that's perfectly okay. i'm more more than happy to debate the partisan issues here. what i was and the reason i made my original, is that i think you can find democrats and republicans coming together on this issue. and that is, we don't want any foreign government interfering with our election. i've not drawn any conclusions about how effective they were in influencing the election, i haven't drawn any conclusions about that. i do know that they were involved in trying to undermine the credibility of our free election system and our democratic form of government. that troubles me greatly in troubles republicans greatly that's not a partisan issue. what happened in the se

one hour later, wikileaks starting dropping my e-mails into the public. one could say that those things might not have been a coincidence. two days later, the fbi contacted me. first thing the agent said to me was, i don't know if you are aware but your e-mail account might have been hacked. i said, yes -- >> when did you know? >> i said i was aware of that. >> when were you aware that you had been hacked? >> i think i was -- it was confirmed on october 7. some of the dnc dumps that it occurred earlier. other campaign officials also had their e-mails divulge earlier than october 7. in one of the dnc dumps there was a document that appeared to me was -- that appeared came -- might have come from my account. i wasn't sure. i didn't know. i didn't know what they had, what they didn't have. it wasn't until october 7 when assuage both really in his first statements said things that were incorrect but started dumping them out and said they were going to all dump out. that's when i knew they had the content of my e-mail account. >> whether hn history is writtet

one hour later, wikileaks starting dropping my e-mails into the public. one might not have been a coincidence. two days later, the fbi contacted me. first thing the agent said to me was, i don't know if you are aware but your e-mail account might have been hacked. i said, yes -- >> when did you know? >> i said i was aware of that. >> when were you aware that you had been hacked? >> i think i was -- it was confirmed on october 7. some of the dnc dumps that it occurred earlier. other campaign officials also had their e-mails divulge earlier than october 7. in one of the dnc dumps there was a document that appeared to me was -- that appeared came -- might have come from my account. i wasn't sure. i didn't know. i didn't know what they had, what they didn't have. it wasn't until october 7 when assuage both really in his first statements said things that were incorrect but started dumping going to all dump out. that's when i knew they had the content of my e-mail account. >> whether hn history is writtet the election -- >> that's the last time i talked to the

a month later the wikileaks -- podesta's e-mails become public. obvious that lecture didn't do anything. the question now is, how do you retaliate? how do you characterize it? >> i would characterize it as a thinly disguised covert operation intended to discredit the american election and to basically allow the russians to communicate to the rest of the world that our elections are corrupt, incompetent, rigged, whatever and therefore no more honest than anybody else's in the world, including theirs. and thus, the u.s. ought to get off its high horse in telling other nations how to conduct their elections and criticizing those elections and so on. whether or not it was intended to help one or another candidate, i don't know. but i think it clearly was aimed at discredited our elections. and i think it was aimed certainly at weakening mrs. clinton. but the question of retaliation is a difficult one, because do you retaliate economically, do you retaliate in kind with cyber? do you retaliate in some way militarily? so i think this is going to be a to

the daily leaks that were in the papers or some of them every day through wikileaks. >> of course. >> hack into my email. >> the allegation is not that john podesta's email was russians as t. was the dnc. >> i don't remember that information from hack whoever did it influenced the election in any way. how exactly did the russians supposedly or anybody influence this election? i'm totally confused? >> here is the point i'm trying to make. if they in fact attempted to that is information we need. it may have affected or benefited -- this is going to come back against the republican party in two years when it benefits russia to do it or whatever. we can have nobody try to influence our election that way. now, i don't think it undermines the legitimacy of donald trump. i think he was elected by a huge amount of electoral votes. we're going to see that come to fruition on monday. but we do have to get to the bottom of if in fact the russians attempted to do it and if the intelligence community says they do and we spend billions of dollars for them to come to these conclusions about nationa

it seems relatively obvious that somebody who hated hillary clinton released these emails to wikileaks, right, how did they get them? then what? what do we do? what is retaliation? what do you do with the information once you get it? >> can i interject the process and what can happen, in order to hack into election systems in the state -- melissa: that's not what we are talking about, though, we are talking about the emails. >> the rush owns couldn't accomplish that without an army of people in the states. it didn't happen. release of the information in the emails could affect an election but how much of an affect has on the voter. again, we are back to argument that the fbi and the cia disagree. they have different burden of proofs. one has the burden of meeting a criminal prosecution which is the fbi. they disagree, they say the rnc wasn't hacked. they are looking at everything in the room, intelligence gathering. they are making a false argument to keep us busy. >> okay. >> we are out of time. >> i'm sorry. sandra: president-elect trump delaying a news conference where he will discu

it eventually got distributed by wikileaks, and the u.s. feels it would be very unlikely anyone other than vladimir putin would have authorized that part of the operation. wolf. >> another significant part of the debate, barbara. thanks very much for that report. another very significant part of the debate is russia's hacking. it's a deeply personal issue. there has been a back and forth today between the president-elect and the president's white house spokesman, josh earnest. i want to bring in our white house correspondent, michelle kosinski. the white house press secretary said not only was russia responsible for hacking, to impact the election, if you will, but that trump himself encouraged it. update our viewers. >> on the hack itself today we heard the press secretary say that in his view it is obvious that vladimir putin played a role. based on that statement the intelligence community put out in october naming russia, even though they didn't specifically name putin. and on donald trump. what we've been hearing from the white house h