worry about charlie. charlie was very squared away, got his act together. knows what he's doing. >> only charlie tan wasn't at all okay. it snowed that night, a muffling blanket, covering the home where something awful was about to happen. >>> coming up, why did charlie need to rush home? the first clue coming from a friend's mom who called 911. >> he didn't give us a lot of details. i'm just worried that he might do something. >> and then charlie's mom makes a 911 call of her own. >> you said you heard a shot? does somebody in the house have a gun? >> when "dateline" extra continues. our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than cloro

charlie: like what? [laughter] bill: the way that a business takes information about customers, about communication with customers, looking at data -- that mission of really using data and ai and getting the productivity of all those workers up because they see more information -- microsoft is the leader in that. it's a wonderful niche. it's a multi-hundred billion dollar niche that they are strong in. and that they will be innovating along that line more in the next few years than ever in our history. charlie: you have a passion for artificial intelligence, you do. bill: yeah, it's the ultimate dream when you start working on software is the kind of deep understanding and intelligence that humans have, so it's been the holy grail of when can the computer learn to play games, when can the computer learn to read, when can it understand speech. things like speech and vision have made such progress in recent years. i mean, you know, you've been tracking this and exposing your viewers to some of it. because

. >> charlie: all right. we'll get to that later. >> you went for 20 minutes. >> 20th century fox had what they called a talent school a hangover of the olden days when they had people under contract and it was hoped you'd go to talent school and learn to be a tree or teapot and somebody would put you under contract. it was a very brief soldiering for me and a went on to be a chorus dancer which i still think is my true calling and from that moment to acting. >> charlie: so when you look back who's made a difference for you? who's been really important other than your husband or husbands made a real significant difference in terms of lessons and helping you? >> without question my aunt birdie. >> charlie: who is that? >> my mother's sister. she lived with their mother, my grandmother and during my teen years when i was growing up it began as a tiny baby they'd have me to the house and stay a couple days at a time and as i grew older they were the ones who encouraged me to take the dancing class and sing and m

it seemed like charlie tan had the whole world ahead of him, but then charlie's father was killed in the tan home, and everything changed. police were being told one story, but the evidence was telling them another. and there were also three 911 calls. did one of them hold the clue that would unlock what really happened on that wintry night? here's dennis murphy with "house of secrets." ♪ >> cayuga. that's cayuga lake in ithaca, new york. it's where you'll find one of the most competitive, the most prestigious universities in the nation. cornell, the ivy league. big red. more than 13,000 undergrads here working towards degrees will with good fortune take their places in medicine, the law, the arts. there's no doubt a cornell education can be a gold-plated entrance ticket to adult life. and only the best need apply, students like charlie tan. he was so kind, his high school classmate featured him in a video, random acts of kindness. giving gifts to complete strangers. >> not just a great kid but the greatest of great kids. >> charlie was the son of chinese immigrants who became "mr.

♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: 11 days. today is january ninth. january 20th, a new president takes over. when i say that, 11 days left in the obama administration, what do you think? denis: i think there's still a lot of work we have to get done in these 11 days. i think that i'm glad it's just about that and not many more. and i think that thank god we did as much as we did until now because i will tell you what -- i used to say this in the start of the second term, the beauty of being around for two terms is first of all, that means you got reelected, but you also have the perspective of how quickly those first four years went and the , second go even faster. little 11 days, i say a -- it gives me a little anxiety, because we have work to do, but it gives me release. -- relief. charlie: what do you have to do? denis: move a lot of documents to the national archives. that's the first thing we have been worrying about. we have a team that has been working on this this whole calendar year. moving hundreds of millions of ema

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probably not charlie:. but their lives should be better off and they should be recognize that if we've gone from where we've gone in 2008 when he was being elected to where we are in 2017 when he is handing over power. there's some basic disconnect. denis: there may be, or as traditionally is the case in america when people have great aspirations and great expectations, they always want more. charlie: there is also this -- he has said he spent most of his time trying to govern rather than trying to build the democratic party, rather than taking care of politics. he had a team that helped him in 2008 and they helped him again in 2012 in the constituencies he appealed to. but he said i'm governing and didn't because the democratic party in his own words, and he's the head of the democratic already, is in bad shape. he said that. they need to rebuild. he acknowledged all the things you said and he acknowledges the part of the role he had in it and he acknowledges we have the best ideas. we are watching this pl

charlie: you wanted her badly. >> yes. charlie: why was that? >> she is the only character in all three films, she is the bedrock, and i thought it would take a lot of skill to do the things she was doing, which were very dark and ugly, and preserve the humanity of the character. and i thought somebody as amazing as naomi could pull it off. charlie: and how does kevin change? >> kevin changes drastically. as barry said, he is acting out this performance of masculinity, particularly in the second story and by the third story he has let go of that mask and has become much more vulnerable and open. he has found a way to reach out and he is liberated, reaching out to this guy. charlie: what was the most challenging thing for you? >> it was getting past the initial hurdle. the initial playwright, i thought, our lives are so similar move this is his biography and saw myself out of it, but it was difficult to get to the point where i was like, this is my story. charlie: what are the autobiographical elements for you? >> the relationship between the son

charlie: in what way? ian: if he truly believe this was a threat to national security, and he said it does and was the legitimizing the american election, and he said that was true, you hit the russians hard and definitively when it is going on. you don't tell them to cut it out. he said he did not want to do it because he did not want to be perceived in the united states as being partisan and supporting hillary. i say mr. president, with all due respect, and i have a lot of respect for this man, you are the president. perception as being perceived as partisan is a lot less important than ensuring the national security of the country you run. that is not leadership. charlie: he also feared a reaction ahead of the election as well. ian: he did fear that. and as a consequence was unable to respond to a clear and direct threat to an american institution we all hold as incredibly important. charlie: when president-elect trump talks about putin, what is at heart in that relationship? ian: there are a lot of thi

charlie: is that feasible? speaker ryan: actually it is, if you define paying it back in a broader way. i can go into tax reform-- how mexico will pay it back? speaker ryan: there are more ways we can get money coming in from mexico than the current status quo, in excess of whatever cost it would be to finance a wall. charlie: republicans are in favor of free trade. speaker ryan: i wrote the authority to go get trade or agreements. -- trade agreements. charlie: so he is in favor of trade deals, but good ones. do you think that the transpacific deal was a bad deal? speaker ryan: i think president obama cut a bad deal in certain areas. i worked his -- worked with his team during the tpp negotiations. i think they wanted more to the left than we would have liked. dated three or four things that we could not live with. currently as constructed, it is not a good deal. i like multilateral agreements. they have to be quality agreements. charlie: the president of china trade davos, and he said war will destroy everybod

charlie: right. sec. carter: there are those, and you read it out in the press, who would have had the united states join the civil war in syria. we have not gone to war with the syrian regime as a military. charlie: why not? why not? sec. carter: because that is an undertaking, and this is a decision the president made consistently. be -- not to try to settle the civil war, but to try to overthrow the government of syria. that is a very big project, as we have discovered. charlie: and a risk that the united states was not going to take? sec. carter: it is not a matter of risk. it is a matter of where our interests lie. our interests are first and foremost in destroying isil. and that we have managed to do. charlie: that runs against the argument that as long as a sod is there, he assad is a recruiting tool for isil. sec. carter: well, that does not mean that we don't have to protect ourselves from isil, charlie, even though the civil war is raging in syria. it does mean that syria is going to be a contin

come on, charlie. donald trump is staffing himself with high quality individuals who will work with this intelligence community and i believe serve him very well. i believe when he realizes and sees the quality they're producing i think they already have his respect but i think he'll have more of his respect and right now -- >> charlie: when he gets there? >> you have an administration -- every administration is political. the obama one was more political than ever i've ever seen before. >> charlie: what's the most egregious thing they've done in your mind? >> mike micro >> micromanaged the military too much and took senate confirmed candidates from the secretary of defense and secretary much state and had unconfirmed 28 year olds trying to form policy when better experts were out there. i spent so much time with our military and the amount of micromanaging from the nsc is mind-numbing and extremely frustrating to the men and women in harm's way trying to do their jobs. i think that is something that d

charlie: thank you. we will be right back. ♪ charlie: michael froman is here. he served as trade representative from 2013 to 2017. he led negotiations for the transpacific partnership, the largest regional trade accord in history. it was a key component of his so-called pivot to asia. 18,000d eliminate tariffs on american products that make up 40% of the global economy. president trump announced that the united states would withdraw. president, over the much disputed border wall. it threatens one of the world's largest wild lateral relationships for one of those reasons. i want to get to tpp and what that means for the trade war and all of that. is thes happened today mexicans say "we are not going to pay for the wall." the president says, if you are not going to pay for the wall you might not come. the president of mexico says we are not coming and we are not paying for the wall. the president of the united states says we are going to impose a 20% tariff. help us understand this. >> it is challenging because under nafta and under our obligations in the world t

charlie: let me rephrase. what could donald trump do that he can uniquely do because he is who he is, but would surprise us? >> i would just quickly say that some kind of racial reconciliation might be at the top. i am not sure he will do that. i am not sure steve bannon will want him to do that. >> i think he probably thinks his nixon in china opportunity was with russia, but at this point any entanglement or any outreach to russia is so suspect given all of the noise around the election and those associations anyway, it would be difficult. charlie: did i hear him clearly say that we are moving to an era of protectionism? >> i don't know if he said that explicitly, but he did say protect, protect, protect. he did not talk about it in the context of trade. i don't think it was in the speech, but clearly that was his message. charlie: his message, we will tax the hell out of american corporations, as well as tariffs on foreign corporations, if they do not allow us to play on a level playing field. >> we will wa

charlie: which stands today. it stands and it can't be accepted. ♪ charlie: let me move to what has been troubling for you, for the president, for the country. syria. you have said you were not in favor of the united states intervening in a civil war between bashar al-assad and who the rebel forces were. susan: intervening militarily. charlie: russia did intervene militarily. and it looks like their intervention made a significant difference. does that hurt our standing in the world? susan: what i think would hurt our standing far more than russia deciding to commit itself militarily -- charlie: we didn't go in, russia went in -- susan: they are taking the losses, they are very the cost of what we think is a misguided policy to back side. what are our interests? is it in the united states interest to get caught in another hot war in the middle east? i don't think so. we got an hour. let me finish. in ourer thing that is interests is dealing with the terrorist threat that has arisen in iraq and syria. and doing

charlie: exactly. intelligenceer official for the british intelligence and now works for a private security and investigations firm and was hired by republican opponents to donald trump during the primary. and that is where he started to compile the research. charlie: the reports coming out before the press conference today said within the intelligence community, he had credibility. mckay: yes that is true. , and i have spoken to people in the intelligence community who have been whispering about this stuff for months, well before the election. i don't know if this came originally from him, but certainly these allegations have been flying around. charlie: which raises the question, was it specifically regarding donald trump and what may have happened vis-a-vis russia or personal behavior? mckay: in this case, what has actually come out. what was published and unverified, have to do with russia compiling compromising information about donald trump and that was all i have ever heard from sources in the i

charlie: two things. number one, the idea is that as you know you enter this white house and this city with the lowest approval ratings of any person who has assumed the presidency. what kind of challenge is that and at the same time how important is it to double the efforts to reunite because of that? mr. pence: the american people will see a president inaugurated this friday who is going to keep the promise he made on election night to be president of the all the people of this country. i think when they see the energy and the determination that he brings to getting this economy moving again, to reviving our cities, restoring our schools, rebuilding our infrastructure, rebuilding our military, unleashing the boundless energy of the american economy, i think you'll see tremendous unity across this country. we're going to see americans come back together. but i have to tell you, the polls weren't always right during the election year, i have skepticism about polls going into the inauguration. i can tell y

announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: ash carter is here. he is the outgoing secretary of defense. president obama appointed him in december of 2014. it was a capstone for eight decades-long career at the pentagon. awarded the defense intelligence metal and the department's distinguished service medal five times. contra marriage and -- confirmation hearings for the man who will succeed him started in the senate today. welcome. sec. carter: good to be here. charlie: we have done these conversations in office and out of office. i appreciate you coming by. the time you have been secretary of state, tell me what you set out to do and what you believe you have accomplished. what was your highest agenda? sec. carter: in the here and now, it was to put us on a path with respect to the principal dangers that we face today, which are first and foremost isil and put together the campaign plan that you now see unfolding towards the destruction of isil. toond, a strategic approach russia and possible russian aggression, iran, north korea, china. those a

charlie: in what way? ian: if he truly believe this was a threat to national security, and he said it does and was the legitimizing the american election, and he said that was true, you hit the russians hard and definitively when it is going on. you don't tell them to cut it out. itsaid he did not want to do because he did not want to be perceived in the united states as being partisan and supporting hillary. i say mr. president, with all due respect, and i have a lot of respect for this man, you are the president. perception as being perceived as partisan is a lot less important than ensuring the national security of the country you run. that is not leadership. charlie: he also feared a reaction ahead of the election as well. that.e did fear and as a consequence was unable to respond to a clear and direct threat to an american institution we all hold as incredibly important. president-elect trump talks about putin, what is at heart in that relationship? thingsere are a lot of we can focus on. if you are t

charlie: they were dug in. sec. carter: we were ready for anything, simply because as we jump, taking step-by-step, the isil defenses, and over in syria, each of the battles in those cities had a different dynamic. sometimes they fought harder and sometimes they did not fight as hard. we knew they would fight hard for mosul. we knew that mosul's defenses were a set of concentric shells. you saw us in early weeks punch through the first shell and you get to the next. they are now through that. they are on the inner-city now. they are on the eastern side of the city, the igris river and citadel.e is sort of a they are in between that second line and the citadel on the eastern side of the city. then they will go to the tigris river, the left bank of the tigris river, and then cross over. that has always been our plan. it is going for you much according to plan. charlie: when do you think mosul will -- sec. carter: in war, you don't predict. charlie: plans change. contact.int of first sec. carter: the plan is clear and

charlie: you wanted her badly. >> yes. charlie: why was that? >> she is the only character in all three films, she is the bedrock, and i thought it would take a lot of skill to do the things she was doing, which were very dark and ugly, and preserve the humanity of the character. and i thought somebody as amazing as naomi could pull it off. charlie: and how does kevin change? >> kevin changes drastically. as barry said, he is acting out this performance of masculinity, particularly in the second story and by the third story he has let go of that mask and has become much more vulnerable and open. he has found a way to reach out and he is liberated, reaching out to this guy. charlie: what was the most challenging thing for you? >> it was getting past the initial hurdle. playwright, i thought, our lives are so similar move this is his biography and saw myself out of it, but it was difficult to get to the point where i was like, this is my story. charlie: what are the autobiographical elements for you? >> the relationship between the son and mother.

charlie: how did that happen? >> i think he was interested in history in the first place and had a sense, not only of lincoln, but he wanted to bring together historians who could talk to him about his current together historians who could talk to him about his current problems in light of history. with me and a couple of other people, we put together a series of dinners which were really fun. we all came as our presidents. we did not dress up as them, what we brought their ideas and mindset and characters to bear on whatever issues he was facing at the time. it would be truman scholars and jackson scholars. a lot ofar suspects, whom appear on your shows. he would have dinner where that had to do with different presidents. we had an easy, private conversation for two or three hours. everybody loved it i am sure. charlie: give me your impressions of him. >> what you could see in those settings was the person that left a person totally at ease talking about issues, policy, and history. there was a warm i saw that i

charlie: robert gates is here. he has had a long and distinguished career in national security over the past five decades. he is served eight presidents as second-rate defense and director of the central intelligence agency. the paperback version of his book came out last week. it is called "a passion for leadership -- lessons on change and reform from 50 years of public service." i'm pleased to have him back at this table. we have much to talk about. [laughter] let's start with the inaugural speech. said --ell you what i it seemed to me more a call to action than an appeal to unity. mr. gates: i think it's a fair i think people need to get accustomed to the fact that this president is going to do things differently. he campaigned on being a disruptive force and there's no doubt in my mind that he intends to fill that. charlie: you probably have some republican and democrat friends sitting behind him who said he's talking about me. mr. gates: probably everybody. it was a head-on attack on people in washington who h

charlie: "take care" means? warren: you have to have retraining and all that when that's feasible, but it is infeasible when you only speak portuguese and you are in new bedford and you are 55 years old and you have spent your whole life on a loom. we can do it as a society. we don't want to let the individual case prejudiced against trade benefits for everybody. but we also don't want to say because everybody benefits, to -- with this guy. that's how we get a good trade policy. charlie: did you appreciate, bill, the economic insecurity that was out there that donald trump was able to tap into politically? bill: no. i'm not an expert on political attiment, so i was no better seeing those trends than other people. charlie: or with brexit? bill: again, i was surprised by the brexit vote. charlie: and the notion of the populist uprising taking place, in the sense of feeding off of that? bill: well, there's no doubt that younger people and urban people, in terms of their social being seen to benefit relatively more

charlie: why? michael: because the fundamental job of the cia, of the intelligence community is to put fact on the table. for a guy who fundamentally doesn't like facts, they interfere with his opinion, it is a relationship -- charlie: or will define the facts as he sees them. michael: it is a difficult relationship. charlie: i suppose you told the new cia director that he had to deal with that problem right away? thank you for coming. mike morrell. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪ i've spent my life planting a size-six, non-slip shoe into that door. on this side, i want my customers to relax and enjoy themselves. but these days it's phones before forks. they want wifi out here. but behind that door, i need a private connection for my business. wifi pro from comcast business. public wifi for your customers. private wifi for your business. strong and secure. good for a door. and a network. comcast business. built for security. built for business. charlie: george osborne is here. he served as

charlie: why? hugh: because he comes from this is city, and this city develops an expansive view of the possible. it is more around new york and you think anything can be done. look at what happens here, this building which we are in, i wish all the people in america could see the bloomberg building and how extraordinary a it is. i think what donald trump imagines for the midwest, you know, charlie, and my law school hometown in ann arbor, the downtown in the 1980's, it is alive now because of google putting their second major cap is there and the united states. everything is alive with feeder systems, intellectual growth. apple, tim cook, what it should build in wisconsin question markets going to work. charlie: what worries you about trump? hugh: he can wear us out. most retreat from the headlines for a given period. flooded theama zone, but with a tone that was .alm, condescending at times if we are put on a roller coaster, a daily diet of controversy, politics is not supposed to be that importa

charlie: china first. michael: without taking any responsibility for the international trading system. one thing we have tried to do is pressed them to take more responsibility for the trading system they have benefited from so enormously. charlie: why have they been unresponsive to that argument? michael: in some ways, they have responded, but certainly not enough. that's why it's important to hold their feet to the fire and why the obama administration brought more than 16 trade enforcement actions against them. when we found areas where they violated their obligations, were not shy about bringing a case against them. it's why we have literally hundreds of actions against china for dumping, for preciselybsidies, because if they are not following the rules we need to be firm in upholding those rules. charlie: they were always angry about their steel being kept out of the u.s. market. charlie: they are -- michael: they are angry, but my to stops -- response is dumping it. if you don't dump your steel -- ch

charlie: china first. michael: without taking any responsibility for the international trading system. one thing we have tried to do is pressed them to take more responsibility for the trading system they have benefited from so enormously. charlie: why have they been unresponsive to that argument? michael: in some ways, they have responded, but certainly not enough. that's why it's important to hold their feet to the fire and why the obama administration brought more than 16 trade enforcement actions against them. when we found areas where they violated their obligations, were not shy about bringing a case against them. it's why we have literally hundreds of actions against china for dumping, for illegal subsidies, precisely because if they are not following the rules we need to be firm in upholding those rules. charlie: they were always angry about their steel being kept out of the u.s. market. charlie: they are -- michael: they are angry, but my response is to stop dumping it. if you don't dump your stee

charlie: two things. number one, the idea is that as you know you enter this white house and this city with the lowest approval ratings of any person who has asthimed presidency. what kind of challenge is that and at the same time how important is it to double the forts to reignite because of that? mr. pence: the american people will see a president inaugurated this friday who is going to keep the promise he made on election night to be president of the all the people of this country. i think when they see the energy and the determination that he brings to getting this economy moving again, to reviving our cities, restoring our schools, rebuilding our infrastructure, rebuilding our military, unleashing the boundless energy of the american economy, i think you'll see tremendous unity across this country. we're going to see americans come back together. but i have to tell you, the polls weren't always right during the election year, i have skepticism about polls going into the inauguration. i can tell you t

charlie: is that feasible? speaker ryan: actually it is, if you define paying it back in a broader way. i can go into tax reform-- charlie: how mexico will pay it back? speaker ryan: there are more ways we can get money coming in from mexico than the current status quo, in excess of whatever cost it would be to finance a wall. charlie: republicans are in favor of free trade. speaker ryan: i wrote the authority to go get trade agreements. charlie: so he is in favor of trade deals, but good ones. do you think that the transpacific deal was a bad deal? speaker ryan: i think president obama cut a bad deal in certain areas. i worked with his team during the tpp negotiations. i think they wanted more to the left than we would have liked. they did three or four things that we could not live with. currently as constructed, it is not a good deal. i like multilateral agreements. they have to be quality agreements. charlie: the president of china was in davos, and he said trade war will destroy everybody's economy. speake

charlie: damien? damien: we have all dealt with the good cop/bad cop situation as reporters, but it is rare to have it from the same person within three days. i think there was a group exhale from the press. charlie: if in fact things were turned upside down over the weekend, they have been turned back up in terms of at least and understanding the press secretary and the press have a job to do and if you are not truthful with each other, you have something significant to lose? damien: that's exactly right. in journalism school, we learned you never pick a fight that will pull you over the barrel. i think they realized that narrative is going to be -- put facts out there and the media will shoot them down. so what he tried to do today is answer as many questions as he could, be as conciliatory as he could and try to rebuild a little bit of that trust. that is going to be a work in progress, but that seems to be his strategy. charlie: he did say over and over again that there is an attempt to go after t

charlie: right. sec. carter: there are those, and you read it out in the press, who would have had the united states join the civil war in syria. we have not gone to war with the syrian regime as a military. charlie: why not? why not? sec. carter: because that is an undertaking, and this is a decision the president made consistently. that would be -- not to try to settle the civil war, but to try to overthrow the government of syria. that is a very big project, as we have discovered. charlie: and a risk that the united states was not going to take? sec. carter: it is not a matter of risk. it is a matter of where our interests lie. our interests are first and foremost in destroying isil. and that we have managed to do. charlie: that runs against the argument that as long as a sod -- as long as assad is there, he is a recruiting tool for isil. sec. carter: well, that does not mean that we don't have to protect ourselves from isil, charlie, even though the civil war is raging in syria. it does mean that syri

charlie: thank you. thank you. ♪ ♪ charlie: billy eichner is with us, the creator and star of a pop-culture game show "billy on the street," the show ending its fifth year. this season's guests have included john oliver, james corden, and more. here is a look at "billy on the street." [video clip plays] >> immigrant? mila kunis? >> real american. >> pierce brosnan? >> immigrant? >> charles manson?o >> real american. >> salma hayek? ted bundy? charlize theron? antonio banderas? craig ferguson? >> he is an immigrant. >> yes, he is. >> cesar millan, the dog whisperer? timothy mcveigh? natalie portman? jackie chan? casey anthony? >> she is a real american. >> carlos santana? o.j. simpson? >> a real american. >> yes, you win. [end video clip] charlie: he also stars on the hulu original series "difficult people." how is "billy on the street" going to be different? billy: we have an obstacle course, and the obstacle course is an obstacle course without any obstacle, because the theme is to really buy a gun,

charlie: right. jeffrey: and not to go into this postmodernist everything is fake, your facts don't align with my fax and that is ok. i think there is an empirical reality that we can describe, and we have to keep describing it. i always say that the cheap shots are useless, but hard, justified shots are worth taking. and so, we have to do that. we are in a different position. we are a magazine with a huge website that is there to not only tell people the news, but to try to explain it and contextualize it. what you can do is go deeper and explain what is the anxiety or the desire for a wall between the u.s. and mexico for instance? it is born out of a fear of globalization, and destabilizing a workforce that has already been disrupted by technology. we have to help people understand these deeper anxieties, sometimes anxieties that people only are experiencing subconsciously. and so, we, i think it's a big responsibility, and i think it's a big job, but things are changing so fast. these questions ab

charlie: but why? susan: one other really important point, our partners who negotiated this deal with us, that europe and russia and china who believe in this deal, would feel no obligation and would be under no pressure to reinstate the sanctions regime that was a major source of pressure on iran. iran would not only be out from under sanctions, able to pursue its nuclear program unconstrained, we would be the outlier, not the leader that we were in building the coalition that got us the deal in the first place. charlie: why are our allies in the region opposed to the deal? susan: it depends who you are talking to. some, they take different views. israel, you've heard prime minister netanyahu be very vocal against the deal. but we've also heard the leadership of the israeli military and intelligence community say it's working. charlie: i agree. the saudi's, the emirates -- susan: if you ask them for their view in public, and you ask them you ask them what they think, , they will tell you, they acknowl

charlie: thank you. thank you. ♪ ♪ charlie: the creator and star of pop-culture game show "billy on the street," the show ending its fifth year. this season's guest have included john oliver, james cordon, and more. here is a look at "billy on the street." >> immigrant? pop-culture game show "billy on themila? >> real american. immigrant?rosnan? >> charles bronson? >> salma hayek? ted bundy? charlize theron? antonio banderas? greg ferguson? >> he is an immigrant. >> yes, he is. dog whisperer? timothy mcveigh? natalie portman? jackie chan? casey anthony? >> she is a real american. >> carlos santana? o.j. simpson? >> a real american. win.s, you charlie: he also stars on the hulu original series. >> we have an obstacle course, and the obstacle course is an obstacle course without any hemeacle, because the t is to really buy a gun, and we realize that there were not any real obstacles in it, so we created an obstacle course. charlie: what is it? it as i was assessed with a kid, and they had these crazy o

charlie: why? hugh: because he comes from this city, and this city develops an expansive view of the possible. i come back here often, more than i used to. you walk around new york and think anything can be done. look at what happens here, this building which we are in, i wish all the people in america could see the bloomberg building and how extraordinary it is. and what it represents in terms of what americans can do when they are allowed to just create, like silicon valley. i think what donald trump imagines for the midwest, you know, charlie, and my law school hometown in ann arbor, the downtown was dead in michigan in the it is alive now because of 1980's. google bought 60 acres and put their second major campus is there and the united states. everything is alive with feeder systems, intellectual growth. trump will bring a $7 billion investment. goad apple, tim cook, why don't you build in wisconsin? charlie: what worries you about trump? hugh: he can wear us out. most presidents retreat from

charlie: i hope to talk to you then. ♪ charlie: first, the iran deal. many people thought that was such a tower in diplomatic achievement, that it almost deserved or did deserve a nobel prize for you and the foreign minister of iran. how difficult was it? tell us how you did it. what was the essence of all those hours and all those talks and all those people who had their own interests? well, leavingy: myself out of this, just as an observer -- charlie: was there no person more central to it then you? secretary kerry: no. i'm trying to make a comment about it because i don't want to make it sound like i'm building it up. this was tough. i've been involved in these discussions and these efforts for 34 years, 32 years, or something. 28 years in the senate, plus. to sit down with a nation with whom we've had no formal, high-level discussions for 35 years, to break the barrier of mistress to be able to get to a table and start working down a road, where a country was talking about intrusive inspections, a country particularly as full of pridea d privacy as

i charlie: why not? sec. carter: because that is an undertaking and this is a decision the president made consistently. that would be not to try to settle the civil war, but again to try to overthrow the government of syria. that is a very big project, as we have discovered. charlie: and a risk that the united states was not willing to take. sec. carter: it is not a matter of risk. it is a matter of where our interests lie. our interests are first and foremost in destroying isil. and that we have managed to do. charlie: that runs against the argument that a long as bashar al-assad is there, he remained a recruiting tool for isil. sec. carter: does not mean that we can't protect ourselves from isil, charlie, even though the civil war is raging in syria. it does mean that syria is going to be a continuing source of tumult in the region. the solution to the syrian civil war that we have favored and i , think the right one, is a solution where there is a political transition from the assad regime to a government

good to join you, charlie. what we see this week with regard to immigration is the culmination of action in terms of what the president was talking about and is a nadya will address. this hard-line populism he articulated has now been put into policy through these executive orders, working alongside senator jeff sessions of alabama, his nominee for attorney general, stephen bannon, the controversial aide at his side. they constructed these orders because they want to start quickly. in particular, on the wall. they are using current federal funding that is available to them through executive authority to begin the construction logic. meanwhile, they're having talks with mexico, a government that remains resistant to the idea of a funding any part of this wall. it is all part of trump's ambition to get started on his immigration policies now, before congress gets cold feet and before too many things come his way. charlie: he is evidently determined to get a whole lot accomplished very early across the board's. he

charlie: how is his standing? he made it possible for donald trump to come to mexico during the campaign. he is a close political ally of the president. how is his standing? carlos: he is a controversial person in mexican politics. there are some who feel he is personally associated with trumpet and they resent that. that are others who say may have been the situation, but now we are in a different type of situation where we have to find a way, negotiate a better path forward, and we have to use all individuals. he is schooled on economics and trade issues at m.i.t.. to pullhe ability together. he has the president's confidence. there are those in a small circle who feel he could potentially be a useful actor in these negotiations. charlie: thank you both. we will be right back. stay with us. is here,michael froman he was president obama's trade representative and led negotiations on the tpp. eliminated 18,000 tariffs on american products in nations that together make up 40% of the global economy. on monday, donal

charlie: was that the plan? that's --well i think charlie: or was that attraction? too.lle: it was revenge -- i think she enjoyed revenge, until the end. film is what the gives the film its integrity. the film has a great integrity. charlie: what is the integrity of the film? therele: the integrity is is something of on existentialist quest in the way things happen for her. in the way that the story is handled as well. it is a nonemotional character. emotional,acter was i think the movie would be creepy. contributionhe that the director makes an important contribution in the edit room, on the set, or in the text? isabelle: a little bit of everything honestly. editing the text is a crucial moment. charlie: so it differs by directors? isabelle: yes. it has a lot to do with how much a director is able to watch these actors live. a director is a spectator to his own film i think. he is not only making the film, he is the first viewer. he has to be constantly the one who doesn't and the one who watches it. means to be active and passive at the same time. as you watch it,

charlie: two things. number one, the idea is that as you know you enter this white house and this city with the lowest approval ratings of any assumed theas presidency. what kind of challenge is that and at the same time how important is it to double the efforts to reunite because of that? mr. pence: the american people will see a president inaugurated this friday who is going to keep the promise he made on election night to be president of the all the people of this country. i think when they see the energy and the determination that he brings to getting this economy moving again, to reviving our cities, restoring our schools, rebuilding our infrastructure, rebuilding our military, unleashing the boundless energy of the american economy, i think you'll see tremendous unity across this country. we're going to see americans come back together. but i have to tell you, the polls weren't always right during the election year, i have skepticism about polls going into the inauguration. i can tell you the presid

charlie: goodbye and happy new year. ♪ ♪ charlie: naomie harris is here. she first rose to fame in danny boyle's 2002 zombie thriller "28 days later." she later went on to co-star in the "pirates of the caribbean," and the james bond film series. she is now earning praise for her performance in barry jenkins' film, "moonlight." she plays a crack-addicted single mother in the projects of miami. the los angeles times writes that harris "conveys an emotional rawness that is almost too much to witness." here is a look at her performance. [begin video clip] >> it is all good. >> shut the -- up. >> calm down. >> you, shut the -- up. what is wrong with you? >> who the -- do you think you is? huh? what? so are you going to raise my son now? you gonna raise my son? yeah, that's what i thought. >> you gonna raise him? >> you gonna keep selling me rocks? huh? mother --. don't give me that, "you've got to get it from somewhere." i'm going to get it from you. but you are going to raise my son though, right? hmm? you ever see the way that he walks? >> you better watch y