rum our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. it is the end of summer. as we prepare for the next season, we bring you some of our favorite conversations on "charlie rose." tonight, a conversation with iran's minister of foreign affairs. >> i believe everyone should come together fighting these extremist ideologies. that is not mean only through military means. this is much deeper. it should be a comprehensive strategy to deal with extremism and terrorism. extremism and terrorism in .nnate from lack of hope in addition to an ideology based on hate and exclusion, it is the necessary fertile ground on which these ideologues, in fact demagogues, recruit new soldiers, new terrorists. we need to dry that fertile ground. charlie: iran's foreign minister for the hour, next. minister of iran's foreign affairs since 2013. he was iran's chief negotiator on the nuclear deal. on monday, president trump certified iran was in compliance with the plan of action. but on tuesday, the of administration announced new sanctions saying the united sta

charlie: and you do well? warren: he is putting his own money up, which is a big deal, but you had two much younger people, very bright, very hard-working. they were harder than most people do in their jobs and they were on the same track i was on. everything about it made sense. and it is continuing to make sense years later. charlie: talking about melinda's influence, susie was -- charlie: she changed my life. i was a very lopsided not well-adjusted person and she put me together. it wasn't overnight, but she just had a little sprinkling can -- charlie: a coming together of opposites? warren: no. i wouldn't say that. we were in sync in a big way, but she was very much more mature when we got together. i was like 12 emotionally. she put me together. it changed my life. i would not have been -- had anything like the life i had. charlie: and what did charlie munger add? warren: my partner of 58 years, he is extremely wise. he is a wonderful friend. he is strong-minded, i am strong-minded. sometimes we disagree,

charlie: then there was isis. jake: to close the gap from my perspective, we had to both increase the means, the degree to which we were engaged to try and shape circumstances there but also become more realistic about the ends earlier on to recognize that having assad go right at the start wasn't going to work. that you had to have a diplomatic process. i think we came too late to that. charlie: and coming in earlier would have meant what? jake: for one thing, early on in the conflict the opposition had much more battlefield momentum. they controlled larger portions of country. the russians were not yet fully engaged. the iranians and all their proxies were not fully engaged. the choices facing both assad and his backers were sharper in those early days. charlie: well, he was tottering for a time. jake: right. so it would have meant at that point trying to get a diplomatic process going. the end result of which would have been a transition from power but would not have made -- charlie: talking about terrorism, ev

charlie: jake sullivan is here. he served as deputy chief of staff to secretary of state hillary clinton and national security adviser to vice president joe biden. he was a policy advisor to hillary clinton's 2016 campaign and has been one of her closest aides for over a decade. many believe he would have been the national security adviser if clinton had won the election. he is now interesting -- now a visiting iran nuclear -- visiting professor at yale law school and was an advisor on the iran nuclear negotiations. i am pleased to have him at this table. to know a little bit about your life is to see a remarkable series of progressions. what is the key to that success? jake: i think the single biggest thing is saying yes to opportunities when they come along. i always thought i would head home to minnesota and build a life and career there in law and politics. when i finished with justice breyer, i moved home, got engaged in the community, and amy klobuchar asked me to come out to d.c. to get her up and running in

charlie: ukraine as well. jake: it was partly tit-for-tat, payback for what he felt was american intervention in russia and ukraine. both of which i think are dead wrong. but it was partly also that he is trying to drive a model, an authoritarian model, and his -- discredit democracy. he is trying to do it across europe and the united states. he wants to be able to turn to his people and say keep me in power because the alternatives are these broken down systems with all this chaos, whether it is germany, france, or the united states. sowing chaos in democracies is putin's number one way of maintaining power for himself in russia. i think that was part of it. he had a personal beef with hillary clinton going back years. part of it was about her gender and part of it the fact she took tough stances against putin's behavior in eastern europe and against his own people. and then i think he genuinely thought it was a birthday present for him that he had a candidate like donald trump who not only adopted kremlin-fa

charlie: then there was isis. jake: to close the gap from my perspective, we had to both increase the means, the degree to which we were engaged to try and shape circumstances there but also become more realistic about the ends earlier on to recognize that having assad go right at the start wasn't going to work. that you had to have a diplomatic process. i think we came too late to that. charlie: and coming in earlier would have meant what? jake: for one thing, early on in the conflict the opposition had much more battlefield momentum. they controlled larger portions of country. the russians were not yet fully engaged. the iranians and all their proxies were not fully engaged. the choices facing both assad and his backers were sharper in those early days. so it would have meant at that point trying to get a diplomatic process going. the end result of which would have been a transition from power but would not have made -- charlie: talking about terrorism, even after we over mosul, there will be an isis square and

charlie: it is in new york. ellie: yes, and kimmy gets into columbia on a rowing scholarship, which is not an actual thing. ivy league schools do not give athletic scholarships. charlie: they do have a road teams. viewed kfellow rower immy. one of her traits is that she is impossibly strong from living in the bunker. but i like to think she was just born up certainly strong. she gets to go to columbia on a rowing scholarship, but turns out she's not as smart as we might like her to be. i think she has some books marts -- she has some streetsmarts. she is socially smart. charlie: meaning she gets people and knows how to be from a to people? ellie: i think so, and how to navigate social situations. spoiler alert, she fails out of college. charlie: what is the impact of those 15 years on her today? ellie: i think a relentless optimism. i think she was born with an ability to persevere and this tenacity. she has seen the worst of human behavior. so i think nothing can shock her. but instead of giving up hope in her

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. -- charlie rose." charlie: kurt andersen is here. his new article traces the history of today's assault on theh and fact, looking to 1960's. he writes that the election of donald trump revealed a critical mass of americans untethered from reality. your article was adapted from the upcoming book, "fantasyland, how american went haywire." let's talk about the big book. it goes all the way back to 1500? year history going back to the pilgrims. charlie: religion is a part of the story. >> it's definitely a part of the story. smoke and mirrors, american business, show business, lots of stuff. we always wear big dreamers and true believers, believe or -- believers of the fanciful and equilibriumh an with practicality and pragmatism, yankee clarity. , in talk about in this book the 1960's, that balance went away. we lost the balance. suddenly, everybody was committed to find her own truth and create their own reality. judge mentalism -- part of what is interesting was that part of my story, this several hundred year journey, was what happen

charlie: jon bon jovi. ♪ charlie: gary clark jr. is here, the grammy award-winning blues guitarist has been dubbed the chosen one. his fans include qatar greats like buddy guy, keith richards, and eric clapton who calls him inspiring. he goes on to say gary loves -- does what i would like to do, on stage without any effort at all. his new album was recorded earlier this month. it is called live north america 2016. here is gary clark jr. performing the healing right in our studio. ♪ >> ♪ we stand in formation while the test and they see they compile information and try to make us believe that there is something we can touch something we will never feel muchi feel like it is too revealsic always this is our healing this music is our healing lord knows we need some healing when this world this music sets me free who will save me who will save us now they sit back and watch while we turn to stone music this we got this music, yeah yeaht this music, away, no, no, no ♪ charlie: i am pleased to have gary clark junior at this table fo

thank you, charlie. >> charlie: thank you, jonathan. we'll be right back. stay with us. >> senator flake is here serving as a junior united states senator from arizona since 2013. the senior senator is john mccain. he said the conservative movement has lost its way and urges fellow republicans to put aside partisan politics and do what's best of the country. we take this interview at 11:00 a.m. this morning prior to the news that anthony scaramucci is ousted. here's the conversation with senator flake. thank you. we only did a morning show and it's been a busy time. >> it has. >> how does a united states senator have time in a time like this to write a book? >> late nights. >> charlie: early mornings or late nights. >> i promised my wife i wouldn't do it at home when i needed to spend time obviously with her and the kids so a lot of late nights, yeah. >> charlie: how did you write it? >> well, i started actually last year. last july or so. i started thinking that a book like this needed to be written and started to write parts of it and parts of it were wri

charlie: that is next. charlie: mohammad javad zarif is here. he has served as iran's minister of foreign affairs since 2015. -- since 2013. he was the chief negotiator on the iran nuclear deal in 2015. on monday, president trump certified iran was in compliance with the joint comprehensive plan of action, but on tuesday, the administration announced new sanctions, saying the united states will continue to aggressively target iran's malign activity, including their ongoing state support of terrorism, ballistic missile programs, and human rights abuses. this is his 12th time at this table. i am pleased to have him back on the program. welcome. javad sharif: good to be back. charlie: lots has happened since the last time i saw you. characterize for me today how you think the relationship is between iran and the united states. >> i think the united states has had a hostile policy towards iran for some time. this administration is certainly hostile policy. i think it is a misguided policy. i think the allegations against iran are tired and don't sta

charlie: sure. dr. kissinger: but those conversations were usually, why you should help north korea? it has really been a formal conversation of the future of northeast asia, probably because for a long time, north korea was an integral part of the chinese and the communist world until about one of the most significant events that happened that we couldn't notice. until about 3, 4 years ago, north korea was inside china out of the communist party, not out of the foreign ministry. so, it was considered an adjunct to chinese policy. -- i think it has is only in the last two years, that the chinese leadership has begun to understand that the north korean nuclear program is not something that is likely to fail. but something that could be operational, and was growing strong enough to affect the balance in asia. charlie: and could be effective within a year, the recent estimates suggest. dr. kissinger: i think speed has surprised everybody. the conduct of the north korean government, assassinating the half-b

welcome. >> thank you charlie. charlie: 33 years. >> i know. i earned the agree hair. it comes with the turf. years.py to say, 33 charlie: what's the secret? -- potionpossession to staying in power? are.ing true to who you i think it's very important. grows up withat you can remain with you. those who gotten off the train because life happened. can come on with certification of those who came you.e charlie: to get more of his album in a moment. change -- you have to remain truth to who you are. change.also have to jon: within parameters. why i use that word truth and to integrity means so much me. i been around long enough and gone.ve come three generations of boy band gone.tions have come and rap music come and gone. was jump on did those ban bandwagons when they e becoming more popular. to rewrite, iy was 25 years old. at 54 you have something else to say. or i will come to you and b.s. you. charlie: at the same time you hate to play it when you're on tour? jon: i do know all the words. inrlie: i hated to hear that fact. jon: it's taken out of context. artist is prou

charlie: you understand them. ms. moreau: charlie: i do understand them. i have worked with great people. --t do you understand charlie: what do you understand about actors and actresses? ms. moreau: i'm not frightened of them. a majority of directors are afraid of actors. are very good directors and a very different image of the film they want to make. and then come the actors. and each actor comes with its own personality. go -- oh,ctor will she doesn't do it the way i wanted. there is a different approach. a different approach to say, i want that. i want these characters to be like that. i want the film to be like that. but i leave the door open to something may be richer. issuedng new that may be -- eschewed from the unexpected. close to actors, you know exactly when something is wrong. [indiscernible] lilly. [indiscernible] >> there won't be a wedding. there won't be a wedding. >> it is too late. something will happen at the last minute. things don't happen before they happen. >> i almost believe you. i noticed that all the greatest directors i work w

charlie: i'm dope. [laughter] queens" is dope phoebe and i hosting stand up storytellers and musicians. usually, these people are people of color, members of the lgbtq community and women. we always try to make sure those people are represented. as comedians and actors, we are often supporting somebody else's narrative, so we want to give people that we think are talented an opportunity. charlie: success is doing good and well. doing good for other people, giving them a chance to do something. doing well for yourself. using and empowering not just the kind of celebrity that you have that has brought you attention and using that attention, to have other people -- to help other people within your own community. jessica: it seems lame cannot do that, like a waste. part of making sure that there is representation of different types of people, sometimes you have to take a chance and pull people up with you. it would be a shame to get a platform and not use that to help other people. that seems bananas to not

charlie: i am ready. graham: you are about to stumble into a war that is going to be catastrophic for both of us. and afterwards just like in 1914, by 1918, they were are -- they were going to say, how dumb was this? let's look and see what we can do together to prevent this little pipsqueak from dragging you into a war. if they have those conversations, it would be painful because china would want us to do some things we would not want to do. and they would have to do things they do not want to do. it is clear they provide 95% of the oil for kim jong-un. they say if we were to cut it off, he might attack us. charlie: is he crazy and erratic? look at what he has done. graham: he's crazy like a fox. charlie: he believes nuclear weapons will give him power, not the power to attack, but the power to defend. graham: and to survive. charlie: he looks at qaddafi and people like that who gave up their nuclear capability and said, look at what happened to qaddafi. graham: i agree with you 100%. giving up nuclear

to your wife charlie. sen. flake: my wife shirley. charlie: thank you for coming. senator jeff flake from arizona. the book, the conscience of a conservative. ♪ charlie: and finally this evening, look ahead to tomorrow's nights broadcast a conversation indecent, a broadway play that ends on august 6. >> ultimately the story of the play is one that calls out to, for courage and speaking out in times of hatred and in times of real sort of danger and creating art against all odds. as you see in indecent, the odds keep increasing and tell their story over and over again. it comes to new york at a time of enormous immigration reform, cutting down on immigrants in the u.s. it was a pretty audacious move, and the play calls it out as reminder to love. charlie: somebody in the new york times said it was about new york immigration homophobia, misogyny, censorship, love, and advocacy. all that in 94 minutes. >> it is exactly why it is such a pertinent play today. the subjects are subjects we are dealing with as we speak around this table. charlie: did you love it when you

charlie: welcome to the program. we begin with two big stories, the departure of steve bannon from the white house and the terrorist attack in barcelona. we start with a look at "the cbs evening news" report. >> the white house press secretary sarah sanders said john kelly and steve bannon mutually agreed on his exit. sources tell us the president had grown frustrated by bannon's rising profile in recent -- and recent publications describing him as the mastermind behind mr. trump's campaign. the president's irritation was clear during tuesday's explosive press conference. president trump: mr. bannon came on very late. you know that. i went through 17 senators and governors and i won all the primaries. mr. bannon came on much later than that. of ther: bannon was one first white house staff members hired, and all right with a nationalist agenda, playing a key role in the controversial travel ban. shortly after inauguration, he described himself as part of a new political order. >> if you think they are going to give yo

> charlie: great to see you. at the public theatre until -- >> september 4. >> charlie: you do not want to miss this. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. >> you're watching pbs. terri yoho: the pictures of emery as a young man are pretty conventional. he looks like a sweet attractive american boy. roger neth: he was pretty ordinary except for that machine. the healing machine. and that was something all together different. dan dryden: he opened the door, flipped on some light switches, and this rainbow of colored lights came on. i've never seen anything like it before or since. connie paxton: he truly believed that the energy made people feel better and i think that he really wanted people to feel better because he'd experienced so much pain in his life. neth: he

charlie: back to steve bannon. there have been people projecting he might be -- not only because of whatever advice was given the president issues , that the president's rhetoric went way too far, but it engaging in a fight with h.r. mcmaster. somewhere suggesting his time at the white house was in trouble. robert: he is on thin ice, to say the least. bannon joined the campaign in august 2016. former head of breitbart news. you see him ever since day one in january navigating a white house that never really saw him as a natural fit. he has always clashed with jared kushner. kushner sees the world as an internationalist, someone who is ok with international institutions and alliances. he wants to see the president move in a more moderate direction. bannon is against all of that. he has been one of the lone voices in the wake of charlottesville saying, let the president go out there and fight the media. let him go and say there are all -- there are both sides of the argument. charlie: where is the republican party? y

charlie: where is home? ivor: i'm based in the region, living and working in the region for eight or nine years now. charlie: so you'll go back to the region? ivor: i'll go back. charlie: will you be in raqqa? ivor: think that is probably the next logical step for many people like myself who have been working in the region over the last couple years and following this story of the fight against isis. charlie: from the beginning of isis. nobody believed that isis, you know, will simply go away. ivor: no. this is the problem. i think that's the next move for a lot of us. charlie: next one? ivor: very sad. charlie: sad just looking at it. like somebody is saying, why? why? ivor: yeah. really, really tough. tough scene to witness. charlie: do you know what's happened to her? ivor: we were nearby. there was an aid distribution going on near this woman's house. they had a little market, actually, that was set up on the street outside their house. isis fired a mortar, probably targeting the aid distribution but it

charlie: can you? sam: i think because -- like what was said, you responded to the people you are in the room with. i get in the room with a group of actors and this beautiful language and you see what happens. you just focus on that. what do they have to offer this audience in this moment in this room we are all in and it kind of takes over. i tried really hard to listen to that. i try to strip away everything else. i didn't come in with a concept. i didn't come in with -- i wasn't trying to think about a fascist dictator or what is elsinore, what's rotten in denmark, or make some statement about it. i just said we are in an empty room with an audience and these words, let's see what comes out of our time together. the essential nature of that helped me from having to be in too much dialogue with concept or with history. charlie: you have to assume hamlet went mad because of the killing of his father? oscar: not necessarily. i think that madness, for me, understanding it through the lens of grief beca

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it's morally right and less expensive. >> charlie: thank you for coming. >> thank you, charlie. >> charlie: thank you for joining us. see you next time. rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. >> you're watching pbs. >>> this is "nightly business report" with tyler matheson and sue herrera. >> home sweet home. home depot reports earnings that some call the best in retail, but why weren't the results good enough for wall street? >> taking a stand. the ceo of walmart criticizes the president as more executives leave white house advisory panels. >> flying high. boeing ramps up production of one of its key products and investors are hoping for a big payoff. those stories and more on "nightly business report" for tuesday, august 15. >> good evening, everyone. welcome. for much of this year economists have been wondering where the american consumer had gone. retail sales wer

charlie: this is from bannon? robert: he has been portrayed as this puppetmaster behind the scenes, but my sources inside the white house tell me this decision to embrace confederate statues is a decision driven by the president himself, a president who sees his approval ratings shrinking. he sees the legislative agenda stalled. at these crucial moments in the summer of his presidency, he is turning to his base, turning to racial tensions in racial politics that are inflaming our national conversation. charlie: does he have some sense of what he is engendering when he does this? robert: it comes just days after the tragedy in charlottesville. these words from president trump, the barrage of tweets we saw, it shows a recognition by the president -- or lack of recognition about the consequences of handling the presidency in this way in such a fraught time for the country when race is at the floor. many republicans and democrats said on thursday that the president has abandoned the moral authority of the presidency t

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. it is the end of summer and as we prepare for the next season, we bring you some of our favorite conversations on charlie rose. justice breyer: the most i can do is my best. i think that all of us, since i have been there, every one of us has really tried to do his or her best. you're putting out. and as you get older, it becomes a privilege. more and more. you have a job you can go in everyday and you just have to do your best. and then you say over time, you begin to think, i've seen these cases before. be careful. you haven't really. they are not quite the same as what you saw before. charlie: stephen breyer for the hour, next. ♪ stephen breyer has served on the supreme court for more than two decades. president bill clinton nominated him in 1994. he was first named to the bench by president jimmy carter in 1980. he served 14 years as a judge, and later as chief judge for the court of appeals for the first circuit in boston. he is known for his love of literature and architecture

charlie:? -- charlie: that justified your existence? jon: right. so we had a policy in the show that you do not put your name on your submissions. we thought that was what made us progressive, but what we forgot was that the system does not finally you women, it funnels the same people it has been funneling for 20 or 30 years. it is a self-perpetuating system. so if i call my agents and go, i'm looking for writers, they're going to send me 100 white male writers. now, i will not look at their names, because i do not want to be prejudiced. but what you forget is change is effort. and it is not effort for effort's sake, it is effort because it makes the show better, stronger, with different viewpoints which gave the show , strength. we had to say, thank you for saying those things, send me your women! get me those submissions please! the same with when we are adding , correspondents. but you have to do that actively. you deserve no credit for that, but you have to, to a large , inertia is tacit in it's complicity with cynicism. charlie: essentially w

charlie: you understand them. ms. moreau: charlie: i do understand them. i have worked with great people. charlie: what do you understand about actors and actresses? ms. moreau: i'm not frightened of them. a majority of directors are afraid of actors. because there are very good directors and a very different image of the film they want to make. and then come the actors. and each actor comes with its own personality. and a director will go -- oh, she doesn't do it the way i wanted. there is a different approach. a different approach to say, i want that. i want these characters to be like that. i want the film to be like that. but i leave the door open to something may be richer. something new that may be issued -- eschewed from the unexpected. when you close to actors, you know exactly when something is wrong. [indiscernible] >> oh, lilly. [indiscernible] >> there won't be a wedding. there won't be a wedding. >> it is too late. >> something will happen at the last minute. things don't happen before they happen. >> i almost believe you. ms. moreau: i notice

charlie: we begin this week in washington. "the washington post" has obtained the full transcripts of two of president trump's calls with foreign leaders shortly after taking office. the calls with the leaders of mexico and australia portray a new president more concerned with politics than policy. that comes as john kelly tries to bring order to the west wing. joining me from washington is dan balz, the chief correspondent for "the washington post." another incredible week. dan: absolutely. this was to be the quiet week. there may be a little evidence of that at the white house under general kelly. these transcripts have exploded. we had so many readers of these transcripts this morning when they first broke. remarkable reporting by my colleague who has been a stalwart throughout the year as part of our national security team. the portrayal of the new president being unhappy, concerned about his own image, talking at cross purposes with two leaders of allies of neighboring mexico and australia. they are remarkable documents o

charlie: how would they do that? guest: the world anti-doping association is their arm that punishes countries and athletes if they are doping. when we expose all this in the new york times, president thomas falk of the ioc said "we are going to let the world anti-doping association decide what should happen to the russians." they came back and said "in the real olympics -- real olympics, every russian athlete should be banned because of what russia did hear." the ioc said "sorry, we are not going to do that." only the track and field athletes were banned. nobody wants to expose duping and sports. why? because it is bad for business. if you are the ioc, you don't want audiences to think these athletes are cheating. what they really want is spectacular athletic feats supported by doping with a system that looks like they are fighting doping, but in fact, does not really catch anyone. this is not in anyone's interest. it is in the interest of audiences and clean athletes everywhere who want a level playing field. charl

>> charlie: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." steve bannon is out of the white house and the series the incredible jessica jane. >> well, all the more reason to say goodnight. >> really? >> i'm trying to be strong. oh. >> we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> i got to see that early on. >> charlie: what's the object? >> don't identify with me. >> charlie: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week violent protests left three dead in charlottesville, virginia. president trump was criticized for his response to the protest and we'll have more on the pga championship. here's the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> reflecting on the violence in charlottesville, virginia people have been gathering on the streets and in the country. >> charlie: the president will cut ties wi

charlie: because it has lessons for today? >> exactly. charlie: had you been thinking about this? how long had you been thinking this is a story that ought to be told? >> we talked about it internally for a while and pushed it over intothem -- what pushed it a script was a meeting i had in detroit with one of the survivors who had not told his story in about 50 years. in the movie, hearing his recollection of how he tried to survive this life and how his life changed. when i heard it, i knew it was something i wanted to write. charlie: is it still there in detroit? detroit will always know? is twoink what you feel things. you feel a resiliency in the city and people. a bit of a time, struggle with its history. i think that dichotomy is very much at play. a pretty inspiring place to visit. charlie: did the rise of black lives matter have any input in it? >> i don't think we really discussed that. >> what deeming by input? -- what do you mean by input? charlie: the issues raised by it. pointhas become a focal of national conversation and larger conversation about policing. that are

>> charlie: welcome to the program. today "the washington post" released transcripts of contentious phone conversations between president trump andÑi to worldÑi leaders. i'll talk to dan balz of the "washington post." theçó portrayal of the new port, president, as you said, being unhappy, concerned about his own image, talking at cross-purpo'% with two leaders of allies, ofñr neighboring mexico and australia i. i mean, they are remarkable documentsñr of what the trump presidency started as for so long has continued has. >> charlie: and then dan miller, the reporter who broke the story, and then we assess the impacts. >> you read the transcript of the conversations, and he's always putting donald trumpÑi$zq he's referring to himself repeatedly throughout the calls. everything is viewed through the prism are you making me look good or are you making me look bad? >> charlie: we continue with a fascinating story about gene editing in human embryos, including a conversation with the man who led the successful experime

charlie: why have we not been able to deal with that? >> in policy? charlie: yes. our policy choices have a lot to do with it. people blame globalization or automation, but fundamentally, it has been about the fact that we have a congress, in particular, and added theories point in times -- and at various points in time, we have had a congress, and also at various points in times, presidents who aggressively pursued policies that hollowed out unions, that refused to raise wages, and that cut taxes that starved the government of revenue that they could have provided a social safety net. so, i think our choices more than anything have contributed to it and we have it in our power to make the forces of globalization and automation work for us rather than against us. i do think the prescriptions have changed. i think -- charlie: have they articulated on anti-globalism and contempt for globalists? >> this gets back to diagnosis-prescription. it is much easier to diagnose. here are all the problems, so let's admire them than to step forward and talk about the solutions.

charlie: that's fair. [laughter] the only thing i would quarrel with is i think politics is a noble profession. people like you were very successful in business came to politics, i assume you don't need money. you come forlic -- public service. yes, there is corruption and power that leads to all kinds of acts to get power, but it is how you handle power that determines greatness. i agree.cher: i got fed up enough as a citizen. i always told my kids, if you are complaining about something, do something about it. so they looked at me and said, are you going to run for office? charlie: sotomayor is the first job you ran for? senate,scher: i ran for and i didn't know what i was in for. i have always done a lot of public service in my community, so i ran for mayor. to be a good mayor, you have to have the head of a chief executive officer and the heart of a social worker. charlie: but you are the closest to where the problems are. mayor fischer: that's the vantage. we go to congress as mayors and say, we are h

♪ from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. with two big stories, the departure of steve bannon from the white house and the terrorist attack in barcelona. we start with a look at the cbs evening news report. >> the white house press secretary said john kelly and steve bannon mutually agreed on his exit. sources tell us the president had grown frustrated i bannon's rising profile in recent publications describing him as the mastermind behind mr. trump's campaign. the president's irritation was clear during tuesday's explosive press conference. president trump: mr. bannon came on very late. you know that. i went through 17 senators and governors and i won all the primaries. mr. bannon came on much later than that. >> he was one of the first step members hired and played a key role in the controversial travel ban. inauguration, he described himself as part of a new political order. >> if you think they are going to give you your country back without a fight, you are sadly mistaken. every day, it is going to be a fight. >> his pri

charlie: you know it is. [laughter] charlie: why is that? speculate about that. is it because of our times? justice breyer: i think it is not just here, but in europe and other places of the world, there are a lot of people who see a turning inwards, not just this country, but in many places, and they are worried about that. they are worried because they see problems that face us never -- that require us to turn outwards. it might help -- it might -- to familiarize people with the kinds of problems that we have in one small institution, an important institution, but a small part of america. what are the problems in front of us that require us to look beyond our own shores for a solution? when you see those, you think, oh, we will have to, and i think that is reassuring, because if we will have to, that's like someone said about economics. i am not a great economist. he said in economics, that which has to happen, does happen. charlie: talking about the globalization and anti-globalization movement we saw in europe, coming from people in the middle east and migrat

charlie: kurt andersen is here. his new article "how america lost its mind" is the cover issue of the atlantic. his new article traces the history of today's assault on truth and fact, looking to the 1960's. he writes that the election of donald trump revealed a critical mass of americans have become untethered from reality. here is how that happened. his article was adapted from the upcoming book, "fantasyland: how american went haywire." that will be published later this month. i am glad to have curt anderson back at this table. let's talk about the big book. it goes all the way back to the 1500s? kurt: it is called "fantasyland: how american went haywire, a 500 year history." it goes back to the pilgrims. charlie: religion is a part of the story. kurt: it is definitely part of the story, as is smoke and mirrors, american business, show business, lots of stuff. we always were big dreamers and true believers, believers of the fanciful and dubious, with an equilibrium with practicality and pragmatism, yankee clarity

charlie: we begin this week in washington. "the washington post" has obtained the full transcripts of two of president trump's calls with foreign leaders shortly after taking office. the calls with the leaders of mexico and australia portray a new president more concerned with politics than policy. that comes as retired general john kelly, the new chief of staff, tries to bring order to the west wing. joining me from washington is dan balz, the chief correspondent for "the washington post." another incredible week. dan: absolutely. this was to be the quiet week. there may be a little evidence of that at the white house under general kelly. these transcripts have exploded. we had so many readers of these transcripts this morning when they first broke. remarkable reporting by my colleague who has been a stalwart throughout the year as part of our national security team. the portrayal of the new president being unhappy, concerned about his own image, talking at cross purposes with two leaders of allies of neighboring mexico and a

charlie: dan balz, thank you so much. charlie, thank you so much. charlie: we will be right back. ♪ ♪ charlie: as dan balz mentioned in my conversation with him, this is a extraordinary story of access to conversations with the president of the united states, and the prime minister of australia, and also the president of mexico. greg miller, the reporter who broke the story, joins me from washington. here at the table is dan senor. a former advisor to mid rodney -- mitt romney. i'm pleased to have both on the program. greg, first of all, what was the first reaction you had when you discovered these transcripts? when you realized you had access to them, and what they said? greg: so we had written stories , earlier in the year about the calls. we had gotten word they were really chaotic, intense, and heated. we sort of knew that going in. to me the thing that jumped out right away was reading through the mexico call, and what a distance there was between what trump had said publicly about mexico -- "i'm going to build a wall in mexico is going to

charlie: back a moment. charlie: dr. neil degraff ties and is here, the most powerful nerd in the universe -- neil tyson, the director of an hayden planetarium, also evangelist for scientific career curiosity.scientific his latest book is called "astrophysics for people in a hurry." welcome back. sexiestat astrophysicist, that was 40 pounds ago. charlie: you were a young dude? coded you write this for, people in a hurry? neil: yeah, people with kids. if you are still serious as an adult, is there anything that serves that busy lifestyle your i wanted to take these headlines i know you have seen akzo planets, a multi-verse, things about the universe i know you have seen it. i won at put them under an umbrella in a story arc. charlie: bear with me for a couple of definitions, astrophysics. we care about everything outside of the earth's atmosphere. moons,oles, planets, asteroids, comets, stars, universe the entire asked, present, and future. the interesting thing is the laws of physics is not a given, but the laws of physi

charlie: this is from bannon? asert: he has been betrayed this puppetmaster behind the scenes, but my sources inside the white house tell me this decision to embrace confederate statues is a decision driven by ae president himself, president who sees his approval ratings shrinking. he sees the legislative agenda stalled. at this crucial moments in the summer of his presidency, he is turning to his base, turning to racial tensions in racial politics that are inflaming our national conversation. does he have some sense of what he is engendering when he does this? robert: it comes just days after the tragedy in charlottesville. these words from president trump, the barrage of tweets we by, it shows a recognition the president -- or lack of recognition about the consequences of handling the presidency in this way in such a fraught time for the country when race is at the floor. many republicans and democrats said on thursday that the has abandoned the moral authority of the presidency to take command of the country at

charlie: jake sullivan is here. he served as deputy chief of step to secretary of state hillary clinton and national security adviser to vice president joe biden. he was a policy advisor to hillary clinton's 2016 campaign and has been one of her closest aides for over a decade. many believe he would have been the national security adviser if clinton had won the election. visiting professor at yale law school and was an advisor on the iran nuclear negotiations. i am pleased to have him at this table. >> thanks for having me. charlie: to know a little bit about your life is to see a remarkable series of progressions. what is the key to that success? jake: i think the single biggest thing is saying yes to opportunities when they come along. i always thought i would head home to minnesota and build a life and career there in law and politics. when i finished with justice breyer, i moved home, got engaged in the community, and amy klobuchar asked me to come out to d.c. to get her up and running in her first year as senat

charlie: that's amazing. charlie: 80 or 90? >> 90. charlie: she was involved how? >> you have to remember that half of her life, she lived after the death of her husband. and she was involved with raising the money for the washington monument. and as she sings at the end of was her the orphanage crowning achievement. and what happened was, she teamed up with mrs. graham of graham windham who started this dea in 1797, and then around 1806, they formed this orphanage, which was -- whose mission it was to help new york city youth. charlie: you two are being honored as what? >> being good people, i guess. [laughter] >> we actually have gotten involved with the organization. jeffrey was this past year's honoree, because there are a lot of relationships and programming that was born out of hamilton and graham windham. >> this is what happened in the year before hamilton came to the world in 2015, they would have something like 67 annual donors or something like that. and the year after it was up to 1,300. so the beauty of all of the joyous beautiful things that "hamilton

charlie: then there was isis. jake: to close the gap from my perspective, we had to both increase the means, the degree to which we were engaged to try and shape circumstances there but also become more realistic about the ends earlier on to recognize that having assad go right at the start wasn't going to work. that you had to have a diplomatic process. i think we came too late to that. charlie: and coming in earlier would have meant what? jake: for one thing, early on in the conflict the opposition had much more battlefield momentum. they controlled larger portions of country. the russians were not yet fully engaged. the iranians and all their proxies were not fully engaged. the choices facing both assad and his backers were sharper in those early days. totteringell, he was for a time. jake: right. so it would have meant at that point trying to get a diplomatic process going. the end result of which would have been a transition from power but would not have made -- charlie: talking about terrorism, even after we