so thomas jefferson was his vice president. and in the course of adams' presidency, he and jefferson had a very severe rivalry develop between them personally and also between political parties that they were heading and it was really the first time we see the emergence of political parties in our country. in 1800, john adams was an embattled incumbent president running for re-election. >> so thomas jefferson in 1800 decide he want the top spot. >> you have the sitting president running against the sitting vice president. just think about the instability of that. you know, in some ways it did happen but it's an assassination incentive. you know, a person who is a heartbeat away is vigorously opposed to the policies of the number one person. these are people who worked together, adams and jefferson back in 1776. they're on the committee that drafts the declaration of independence. as cliff says in 1796 they run against each other, the first contested election but it's a relatively tame affair. jefferson tell the supporters, my t

how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? he was a major slave owner. >> joining me now, the member of the national board of directors of the naacp, and by phone, georgia state representative stacy abrams, candidate for georgia, who received hate tweets after calling for the removal of monuments. there are 718 monday utilities, ten major u.s. military bases named in honor of confederate military leaders. is that about heritage or something else? some some of this history, people are misappropriating. somebody said you can't challenge what you are unless you really repent. let's talk about the charlottesville monument. 80% of these monuments were erected between 1898 and 1920. they were erected to celebrate the deconstruction of reconstruction. they were erected to celebrate the separate but equal decision. in 1915, woodrow wilson kicked out civil rights leaders from his office. 1916, he played birth of a nation in the oval office. and that sent word to white supremacist that's they had a friend in the oval office. and that st

so monticello was really thomas jefferson's home for his entire life. he's born on this plantation in 1743, just three miles away from where he builds this home. he inherits this plantation from his father. his father dies when jefferson is 14. as a young man, he will inherit this land, as well as the slaves that his father owned, and jefferson is going to decide to build up here on this mountaintop at a very young age. this is jefferson's home his entire life. jefferson is trying to use that plantation to make money. like most virginia plantation owners, he has cash crops, primarily tobacco and, later in his life, wheat. he has mixed success in turning a profit off of this plantation, but here on this mountaintop, this is also the center of his home life as well. throughout his retirement years, once the house is complete, this home is filled with his family members. his daughter, martha jefferson randolph, and her husband moved into this home, so this would have been a home filled with his family members as well as guests. throughout jefferson's retir

so thomas jefferson was his vice president. he and jefferson had a very severe rivalry development between them personally and between political parties and it's the first time we see the emerges of political parties in our country. >> so thomas jefferson in 1800 decide he want the top spot. >> you have the sitting president running against the sitting vice president. just think about the instability of that. you know, in some ways it did happen but it's an assassination incentive. person who's a heart beat away is vigorously opposed to the policies of -- of the number one person. these are people who worked together, adams and jefferson back in 1776. as cliff says in 1796 they run against each other but it's a relatively tame affair. jefferson tell the supporters, my term will come lets not bad mouth adams too much. but now politics have become much more intense. but with its political polarization you got the sitting president against the sitting vice president, both leading large camps, big political parties, as cliff said t

how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? okay. good. are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave owner. so you know what? it's fine. you're changing history, you're changing culture and you had people and i'm not talking about the neo nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally but you had many other people in that group and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. >> first as a historian, your reaction to those comments? >> it's kind of stunning to watch this. it's also for many americans upsetting to watch this. obviously washington and jefferson were slave owners, but here we're talking about a leader of the confederate forces trying to destroy the union to protect the slave owning society versus george washington, the person who tried to build our e republic and the monuments were built in the 1910s to '30s period. >> what does that tell us? >> these were monuments meant as a backlash to the idea of racial justice and racial integration. that's w

how about thomas jefferson? do you like him? good. we going to take down the study because he was a major slave owner. will we ta ke he was a major slave owner. will we take down his statue? you know what, it's fine. you're changing history, changing culture and you had people and i'm not talking about the neo—nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally but you had many people in that group other than neo—nazis and white nationalists, ok. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group also you will have some fine people but you will have some fine people but you also had trouble makers and you saw them coming with the black outfits and the helm ats and the baseball bats. you had a lot of bad people in the other group as well. you were saying that the press had treated white nationalists unfairly? i don't understand. there were people in that rally, i looked at before, if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e lee. i am sure

they are in the process of being published by the papers of thomas jefferson. dna did not disprove it because as i sort of indicates in the first book and say flat out in this book. i mean i have always believed that the child died so there is no. i mean there was no dissent and who could be deep -- tested in 98. so james foster, the first time i met james or talked to james he didn't know me from adam ort eve, however you should say it. and they announced and they did the test and i got his phone number and called him up and i introduced myself and said yes i know you are. and the second you know, at some point, dr. foster, have you talked to these people? do you know what is going to happen and i will never forget. he said professor, we don't know what is going to happen and i said well, i kind of do. and he said, you know, these are adults. and he was right. they are adults and they have a can right to participate in this and do this and so forth. so my point is, that i was not surprised in what happened because i don't believe that she had a child who lived

that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history he's probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that shop is a racist or that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or or even going further that every single white person is races and i'm completely against this. chris traded afghans are growing increasingly uneasy over the u.s. led military campaign in their country saying that the civilian deaths and destruction are yielding few results and the

how about thomas jefferson? would he think of thomas jefferson? do you like them? he was a major slave owner. you had people come in not talking about the neo-nazis and the white nationalist because they should be condemned totally. yet many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalist. there are two sides to a story. i thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. a horrible moment, but there are two sides to the country. cheryl: what happened in new york at trump tower. it was supposed to be a press conference about infrastructure went completely off the rails. will quit, his comments about steve been in. several ports at this event on its way out asking about that as well. the topics certainly virginia. >> 24 questions. one was. cheryl: he's going to be heading out to bedminster, new jersey this afternoon. he said to meet later today with small business owners. >> focus on the agenda. it is hard because the remarks yesterday are drying very strong reactions. house speaker paul ryan. let's be clear white supremacy to all this c

how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? >> i love him be. >> he was major slave owner. are we going to take down his? it's fine. you're changing history. you're changing culture. >> changing culture. that was where donald trump's presentation landed on today. igniting controversies all of this is significant because these fights over history are not about the past. they are also about the future. they don't appear to be going away. with me is the new yorker cobb who has written about charlottesville and the former may mayoral candidate of baltimore. when you hear this president go down that road of saying that, to him, robert e. lee is maybe like george washington and a few days out of these deaths his focus is on the statues and not the real people. the people who lost their lives in america this week. what do you think? >> first off i don't think this is donald trump's thinking. he's never been someone who displayed a great deal of interest in history. i think this is a conversation, i don't know who it is that is in his

jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history you should probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that trump is a racist or that everybody that supported trump is a racist or or even going further that every single white person is racism i'm completely against this. we've got to live reaction on the latest issue dividing turkey and germany for the great post office more stay with us. seemed wrong. just don't hold. me to these yet to shape out th

that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history you should probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. to. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know the troposphere races so that everybody that support a tribe was a racist or even going further than every single white person is races and i'm completely against this. washing out i still had patience is wearing thin for people in afghanistan who've enjoyed sixteen years of war in the u.s. president is making them white even longer for a strate

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that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history you should probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. from. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that drop is a racist or that everybody that support a truck is a racist or or even going further that every single white person is racism i'm completely against this. discontent as growing in afghanistan over u.s. military policy with send the country well that and other stories and just a minute. when i almost choked something seemed wrong b

how about thomas jefferson? what you think about thomas jefferson? you like him? >> i love thomas jefferson. pres. trump: ok. are we going to take down his statue? because he was a major slave owner. so, are we going to take down his statue. you are changing history from your changing culture, and you have people -- and i am not talking about the neo-nazis or the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally . but you had people in those groups other than white nationalists and neo-nazis. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. now in the other group you had , some fine people, but also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with a baseball bats, you got a lot bad people in the other group, too. >> i just didn't understand what you're saying. you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? i don't understand what you're saying. pres. trump: no, there were people in that rally, and i looked the night before. if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taki

that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson well although you. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history he's probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. from. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that trump is a racist so that everybody that supported trump is a racist or even going further that every single white person is races and i'm completely against this. what turkey and germany are an odd again we've got to live reaction on the latest issue dividing them after this. so for us. to going to be close this is what before three of th

that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history you should probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. from. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that trump is a racist or that everybody that supported trump is a racist or or even going further that every single white person is racism i'm completely against this. just ahead in the program we hear from the since you claim that they've suffered at the u.s. military operation in the country. called the food we do. every the world should do

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that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history he's probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that drop is a racist or that everybody that support a troublesome racist or or even going further that every single white person is racism i'm completely against this. first rate afghans are growing increasingly on a.t.c. over the u.s. led military campaign and their country saying that the civilian deaths and destruction are yielding few results and the

i'm at the university founded by thomas jefferson. i live in a building on the lawn where i witnessed the outrage of the neo-nazis last friday night, in a building designed by thomas jefferson. how do we deal with this complicated legacy? we honor, as mr. grossman suggested, thomas jefferson's tremendous accomplishments, author of the declaration of independence, founder of the university, author of the declaration of religious freedom, louisiana purchase. we could go on and on. i think that balances in some way the unfortunate part of his legacy about slavery. we certainly do not support that. but john, we are building a monument to enslaved laborers right here. we have a dormitory named after enslaved laborers. we are doing things that matter. but this is more false equivalency from president trump. just as he falsely equated the neo-nazis with those showing up to protest their fascism, so too is he trying to make equivalent robert e. lee with thomas jefferson or george washington and mr. grossman just explained it is outrageous and

is thomas jefferson's statue next to come down? >> they were innocently, i keep using this phrase, innocently and legally protesting. >> even the mayor of the city said that the protesters, the anti -- the racist protesters didn't even abide by their own permit. they started coming way into the city and the routes that they weren't supposed to. the counterprotesters would not have been there had it not been for the racist protesters who there were the beginning. >> i want you to listen. this is republican senator, cory gardner, of colorado, speaking about an hour or so before the president's news conference. listen to what he said. >> this past weekend was a tragedy. when we witness people with kkk signs and white supremacists and neo-nazis. those assholes can go back to their cave. we don't want them in this country. >> what you hear is from those people that cory gardner was just describing, the neo-nazis, the kkk and the white supremacists, they take comfort in what they hear from donald trump. they take comfort. that should be

that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson well although you. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history he's probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. from. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that trump is a racist or that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or or even going further that every single white person is races and i'm completely against this. discontent is growing in afghanistan over u.s. military policy within the country well that send much more right after the break. what. they put themselves on the line to get

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that was wrong yeah but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history just probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. to. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that drop is a racist or that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or even going further that every single white person is races and i'm completely against this. he would say still to come this hour patience is wearing thin for people in afghanistan who've enjoyed sixteen years of war in the u.s. president isn't making them he's making them whi

michelle: trump pointed out that both george washington and thomas jefferson had slaves. alison: as you can imagine, a lot of reaction from the president's bombshell comments. we want to hear yours. go to wjla.com the live results. we went out to let them show to people video the press conference in case they had not seen it earlier. we wanted to take the pulse in d tonight.c. -- take the pulse tonight in d.c. tom roussey is live with what he found tonight. tom: a lot of reaction, as you can imagine. on your screen, a lot of these comments are coming from the folks who live in the building behind me, but a lot of other folks reacting as well to what the president said. >> george washington was the founder of the nation. >> the director of the naacp's washington bureau called this moment disturbing. >> i wonder, is a george washington next week and thomas jefferson the week after? tom: he said there is no comparison with the statues of robert e. lee and confederates. >> t the country. most would be considered traitors under today's law. >> this is not leadership. this is n

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that was wrong but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is going to launch a full scale war against history you should probably expect that there's going to be collateral damage. from. this type of actions should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that drop is a racist or that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or even going further that every single white person is races and i'm completely against this. he was he also international still to come fyi this hour we hear from afghan citizens who claim they've suffered at the hands of the u.s. military operation in the country a sto

how about thomas jefferson? what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him. >> i do love thomas jefferson. >> he was a major slave owner are we going to take down his statue. you know what it is fine. you are changing history. you are changing culture. and you had people. not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists they should be condemned totally. you had many people in the group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. okay. and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. now, in the other group, also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with, with the black outfits and health melts and the baseball bats. the other group. >> i didn't understand what you were saying, the press has treated white nationalists unfairly. i didn't understand? >> there were people in the rally. i looked the night before. if you uh look, there were people protesting very quietly. the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure in the group there were bad ones. the following day it looked like they

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that was wrong yeah but if you want talk about owning slaves she would talk about thomas jefferson whoa whoa whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is this type of action should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement because i mean at the time if we're talking about slavery and racism and think that it's all about black people and you know attacking people on minorities but i am completely against the fact that we're going to go now and try to destroy monuments like you are like the road becoming an isis terrorist group and i think this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know the troposphere race is so that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or even going further that every single white person is racist an

that was right yeah but if you want talk about owning slaves you should talk about thomas jefferson whoa whoa. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is this type of action should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement because i mean at the time if you're talking about slavery and racism and think it was all about black people you know attacking people on minorities but i am completely against the fact that we're going to go now and try to destroy monuments like you are like you know becoming an isis terrorist group and i think this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that shop is a race is so that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or even going further than every single white person is races and i'm complet

how about thomas jefferson? what do you think about thomas jefferson? you like him? are we going to take down the statue? he was a major slave owner. so you know what? it's pheno. you're changing history, you're changing culture and you had people and i'm not talking about the neo-nazis but you had plenty of people other than those and the press has treated them unfairly. >> it drew criticism from unside his own party. the president's ability to effectively govern may be dwindling by the hour. >> the charlottesville valley was to protest the taking down of the stat kwhu of robert e. lee. here's what some of those protesters were chanting. >> jews will not replace us. >> vice news was imbedded with those protesters friday and throughout the weekend. they shared that video. the message not quite about monuments. the tragedy appears to be accelerated to remove statues across the country. at least two of baltimore's four confederate monuments were removed overnight. other cities including gainesville, florida and lexington kentucky are planning to remove monuments. >> th

that was wrong yeah but if you want talk about owning slaves talk about thomas jefferson well. abraham lincoln certainly did not own slaves he was always an outspoken opponent of slavery which he ended up abolishing in the context of a civil war now you would think he wouldn't be a target for anger but the people who did this certainly think he is this type of action should have been taken then perhaps fifty years ago with the civil rights movement because i mean at the time if we're talking about slavery and racism and think that it's all about black people and you know attacking people on minorities but i am completely against the fact that we're going to go now and try to destroy monuments like we are like you know becoming an isis terrorist group and i think this is whole situation has been created by certain media outlets like for example c.n.n. that they have you know pushed down on the narrative on the fact that you know that shop is a race is so that everybody that support a tribe is a racist or even going further that every single white person is races and i'm complete

how about thomas jefferson? what you think about thomas jefferson? because he was a major slave owner. so we are going to take down his statue. you are changing history from your changing culture, and you have people -- and i am knocking -- not talking about the neo-nazis are the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally -- but you had people in those groups other than white nationalist and neo-nazis. themress has treated absolutely unfairly. any other group you had some fine people, but also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with a baseball bats, you got a lot bad people in the other group, too. >> you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? president trump: no, there were people in that rally, and i looked the night before, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e lee. i'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. the following day it looked like they some had -- looked like they had some rough, bad people do

is it thomas jefferson the week after? you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? trish: kind of a non-sequitur, really. to be comparing civil war hero to first president of the united states, or to thomas jefferson, i mean clearly thomas jefferson and george washington represent something very different about america. general lee, on the other hand, represent something that was very much a dark time in american history, and something that we're still to this day dealing with the aftermath of. so why glorify it. ron christie and harlan hill are back with me. first to you, ron. i mean why not take all these statues, i get it, they're part of our history. you can't erase history, but do you really want to flaunt that history? i mean, you know, you're an african-american. i'm not. but i got to tell you, when i see statues like that it makes me income for thible. i would -- uncomfortable. i would to think it would make you uncomfortable? >> good to see you again, trish. i'm not thrilled with the statues. they represent the dark time in america, the dark stain of slaver

how about thomas jefferson. what do you think of thomas jefferson? you like him? are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue? you are changing history, you are changing culture and you talkingple -- i'm not about the neo-nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally. yet many people other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group, also, you had some fine people, but you also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and the helmets and the baseball bats -- you have a lot of that people in the other group, too. >> you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? mr. trump: there were people at that rally and i looked the night before, if you look, there verypeople protesting quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure there was some bad ones. the following day, it looked like they had some rough come a bad people. , white nationalists, whatever you want

i wonder, is it george washington next week and thomas jefferson the week after? he really had to ask yourself, where does it stop. >> jason: liberal pundits are not backing down from their stance on the issue either. >> george washington was a slave owner and we need to call slave owners out for what they are, whether they were protecting american freedom or not. he wasn't protecting my freedom. my ancestors were deemed human beings to him. to me, i don't care if it's a george washington stretcher or a thomas jefferson statue or a robert e. lee statue. they all need to come down. >> jason: president trump may have had a point. statues of the founding fathers taken down, where does it end? thomas jefferson, one of our founding fathers, principal architect of the declaration of independence, and president of the united states. now you've got liberals on the left saying we want to take down statues of george washington. i mean, at what point do we stop this and say look, slavery was wrong. it was wrong. it was wrong. we should have never, ever done that. but it did

jefferson what do you think of thomas jefferson you're like him are you ok good are we going to take down the sacha because he was a major slave owner now we're going to take down his statue so you know what it's fine you're changing history you're changing culture. for more on this we go to our political panel tonight for tonight it is johnny williams new york city council and also ed martin president of the eagle forum gentlemen good to have you with us at all start with you tonight i watching the president today and i'm thinking ok words the upside on this he wanted to come out and talk about infrastructure but he was loaded for bear to clear the beach on this whereas the up side of what the president did today well you know i want to make one observation i've seen no one make and that is that this president with twitter and with his video that he released saturday during the crisis and then since then has there ever been a more accessible president and there's complaints about press conferences but actually in real time he's responding to what's going on in the country and in the

how about thomas jefferson? what you think about thomas jefferson? because he was a major slave owner. so we are going to take down his statue. you are changing history from your changing culture, and you have people -- and i am not talking about the neo-nazis are the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally -- but you had people in those groups other than white nationalists and neo-nazis. the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. any other group you had some fine people, but also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with a baseball bats, you got a lot bad people in the other group, too. >> you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? president trump: no, there were people in that rally, and i looked the night before, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. the following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people. that you have a lot of people who

how about thomas jefferson? you like him. >> i do love thomas jefferson. >> he was a major slave owner. are we going to take down his statue? you know, it's fine. you're changing history, changing culture. >> mr. president, i would say that you're the one who changed history today when the president of the united states traded away the moral authority of the office and lent support to those who would destroy the values of this country. it's awful. i want to turn to mark preston, senior political analyst, senior white house correspondent jim an cot costa, april ryan, contributor salena zito, columnist for the "new york post" and strat republican strategist rick wilson. jim, i don't know how you do it. i mean -- >> yeah. >> what was that like? this president needs to go back and have an elementary history lesson. >> it was disturbing, don. i think we saw the president's true colors today. i'm not sure they were red, white, and blue. the white house put out some talking points tonight. this is what they say. the pr

how about thomas jefferson? what you think about thomas jefferson? do you like him? because he was a major slave owner. so we are going to take down his statue. you know what, it is fine. you are changing history, your changing culture, and you have people -- and i am not talking about the neo-nazis are the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally -- but you had people in those groups other than white nationalists and neo-nazis. the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. in the other group also, you had some fine people, but also had trouble makers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with a baseball bats, you got a lot bad people in the other group, too. >> you were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? president trump: no, there were people in that rally, and i looked the night before, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. the following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people. ne

jefferson what do you think of thomas jefferson you're like him are you ok good are we going to take down the sacha because he was a major slave owner now we're going to take down his statue so you know what it's fine you're changing history you're changing culture. for more on this we go to our political panel tonight for tonight it is johnny williams new york city councilman and also ed martin president of the eagle forum gentlemen good to have you with us and i'll start with you tonight i watching the president today and i'm thinking ok words the upside on this he wanted to come out and talk about infrastructure but he was loaded for bear to clear the beach on this whereas the up side of what the president did today well you know i want to make one observation i've seen no one make and that is that this president with twitter and with his video that he released saturday during the crisis and then since then has there ever been a more accessible president and there's complaints about press conferences but actually in real time he's responding to what's going on in the country and i