brian: how do they treat the substance at the jfk library? anthony: i think they treat the substance less than the nixon library does about the same topic. there is this apocryphal tale that people who watch the debate on television -- the kennedy library exhibit is geared towards that tale. just look at the two, you get a sense of the man and you can judge for yourself. brian: so after, you were in texas, before the g.w. bush library, where did you go on your 2003 tour? anthony: california. i went out to the reagan and nixon libraries, which, going to those two at the same time was one of two things, one of two episodes that changed the course of the book. i was at the reagan library, and there was -- most of the libraries have exhibits on the campaigns, and they will have the standard electoral map. at the time, blue was for republicans and red was for democrats and they had a 1984, little plastic sign. it was small, about this big, electoral map, and the entire map was blue except for minnesota. which wasn't red. you couldn't see minnesota

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brian: how do they treat the substance at the jfk library? anthony: i think they treat the substance less than the nixon library does about the same topic. there is this apocryphal tale that people who watch the debate on television think jfk won and people who listen think richard nixon won -- the kennedy library exhibit is geared towards that tale. just look at the two, you get a sense of the man and you can judge for yourself. brian: so after, you were in texas, before the g.w. bush library, where did you go on your 2003 tour? anthony: california. i went out to the reagan and nixon libraries, which, going to those two at the same time was one of two things, one of two episodes that changed the course of the book. i was at the reagan library, and there was -- most of the libraries have exhibits on the campaigns, and they will have the standard electoral map. at the time, blue was for republicans and red was for democrats and they had a 1984, little plastic sign. it was small, about this big, electoral map, and the entire map was blue except