frum and david johnson. to be fair with sean hannity, not the phrase you hear every night on this show, he went at the calm before the storm thing a couple of times and was right on the verge obviously as you saw there of giving up when he said you're obviously not going to talk about that. trump avoided it every time. we don't know even with sean hannity's best effort what calm before the storm means. >> best effort is -- we live in an era of low bars and basically a ladder on the ground now and just stepping over them. so that's good. i enjoyed the interview. i'm very curious about who does their makeup. my water proof makeup tends to shed when people do that kind of tongue bath but, you know, theirs seemed to stay on okay so that's something to consider a sponsor for that. you know, one thing sort of seriously is as much as i would love a real reporter to ask trump a real question and to have him, you know, under threat of having his wig taken off have to answer it, sometimes it's in the really relaxed se

>> david frum? >> leah is saying one thing that is true and one thing alarmingly false. the thing false is the suggestion there are other alternatives that would work better as she says in the article more narrowly tailored. the alternatives to gun control are more intrusive, coercive and expensive. for example, if we identify older men at risk of depression 23 million men in the united states over the age of 65. a lot of people we have to inspect. a lot of domestic disputes and young men at the risk of violence and the overwhelmingly predicative factor about those young men is race. our screening is going to be highly racially loaded. the reason this debate is so complicated is because the obvious and correct answer is so politically prohibited. the intellectual debate is simple, the political is complicated. my solution the thing that leah's article that is true is that the interventions that are discussed in the united states, will not make any difference. the intervention we need is the beginning of a culture change. let me give you an example. it is legal in all but

and david frum is back with us. this is tweet you put out about puerto rico. it's part of the reason the president has banned you from twitter. it says -- and you're quoting someone in your reporting about it, someone in puerto rico telling you he takes two weeks to visit a disaster zone where 3.5 million american citizens lives. he arrives with a smile on his face, shows no empathy. lies on lies 24/7 and throws paper towels to people in need as if he was playing go fetch with dogs. and daniel, that wasn't the only observer who saw it that way. >> no, it wasn't. it's hard for me here in d.c. to reach people on the island. but puerto ricans on the mainland i spoke to were flabbergasted, astonished, insulted even though their expectations going into this visit were low. he'd already spent a week demeaning them. and then he demeaned them even further. that was just an astonishing four hours he spent, but it was quite remarkable. >> there's a line from "the washington post" report tonight about the tillerson matter, which is relevant to this. it says "and as tille

. >> joining us now, david frum, and democratic congresswoman jacky rosen who represents nevada's third district. congresswoman rosen, thank you very much. tell us about the impact of this event on the community and what you think it will mean to the gun debate in washington. >> well, this is the worst tragedy in american history. what does it mean to our community? our community is mourning. and it means everything to us. mothers and fathers sent their children look what a beautiful night it is. they sent their children to a concert, a beautiful country western concert, and they never get a call that their child is safe. they hear the gunshots on tv, waiting and waiting for that call. so we're a community in mourning. we're a community that is coming together with heart and soul. our first responders, our police department, the doctors, the hospitals, proud of our community. but we'll never be the same. >> it sounds like senator heller is prepared to take some action on of some of the accessories, including the accessories that were used to essentially turn those weapons into automatic

also david frum, senior editor for "the atlantic." david frum, i want to go to you on this point of bob corker warning the world that this president is risking putting us on the path to world war iii. the president is asked about it today. and the answer contains absolutely nothing that is even relevant to the question. >> so you flipped us all out tonight. and i'm a little flipped out. i would just point out that along with we recently mourned the loss of monty hall. along with the door number one, which behind is world war iii, there is a door number two, which presents another, according to bob corker, not quite as immediately terrifying but still troubling alternative, which is bob corker said the thing that is saving us from world war iii is that the senior officials of the trump white house, the secretary of defense, the secretary of state, the chief of staff, are not doing what the president says. they are repressing him and containing him. and that's our salvation. and obviously that's a palace coup like that is a very alterna

david frum, there's the president when he's running saying george papadopoulos is one of the people he relies on. >> that's when the president had very few few -- it's striking how many had an improper relationship with russia. that's the giant, magnetic force. all of this -- there's a second track which we have to keep in mind following this story. this is the same time trump and trump organization are frying to get a hotel deal in russia. that's happening concurrently with the hunting for hillary, access to hillary clinton's e-mails moscow is exercising this magnetic attraction on different parts of the trump brain. i want to dumb down the political opponents brain. i want to make money in moscow brain. >> i want to stress the point of the interview with the fbi. this is happening very, very early in this investigation. before people knew that the kind of massive power and pressure of a special prosecutor was going to be on them, and so, it seems to be that papadopoulos made the guess that he might -- that this might be a low voltage investigation, that he could just talk his way thr

joining us now, eugene robinson and david frum, senior editor for "the atlantic." eugene, it's been an extraordinary run of days on this story. i'm focusing on the failure to apologize for something being obviously false. any other president would have ordered the white house chief of staff to run out there and apologize and any other white house chief of staff would not have had to be ordered to go out there and apologize. >> i believe that's right, lawrence. look. general kelly went into this administration, who knows? we may fortunate to have him there at the side of an erratic, impulsive, frankly, dangerous president. but he -- inevitably tarnished himself by association with donald trump and that's what you saw and as to what motivated him to go after congresswoman wilson in that way it did occur to me that race could be a factor, and occurred to me gender could be a factor. and again, as you said, we don't know. it would be nice to remove that cloud. but i frankly don't expect it. it's been long enough and he hasn't apologized. >> david frum, is it conceivabl

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david frum and bret stevens has two interesting articles in the past few days, one in the atlantic and another an op-ed in "new york times." bret stephens conservative argues there's only one way to protect americans and that is to repeal the second amendment. he cites a number of statistics talking about people who die from handguns every year, who die from accidents with handguns every year and that includes a number of children. so if you have a conservative like bret stevens arguing that and then you have david fruhm, also a republican, arguing that gun safety begins not with the technical fixes but with the spreading of truthful information, people who bring guns into their homes are endangering themselves and their loved ones. if you see that sort of movement from two, you know, republican thought leaders, essentially, do you think that there is at some point going to be a willingness for people in this country to talk about, you know, the taboo, to talk about what you're not allowed to talk about, repealing the second amendment or taking away guns? >> well, you know, it's import

david frum said this is the least abnormal decision he's made on foreign policy if the president was credible. that's why this erratic, narcissistic, thin-skinned -- of the president undermines even policies that might actually be a good idea. >> we have to take a quick break. we'll be right back. take a quick break. we'll be right back. ♪ traders -- they're always looking for advantages. the smart ones look to fidelity to find them. we give you research and data-visualization tools to help identify potential opportunities. so, you can do it this way... or get everything you need to help capture investment ideas and make smarter trading decisions with fidelity for just $4.95 per online u.s. equity trade. fidelity. open an account today. ♪ open an account today. what's new from light and fit? greek nonfat yogurt with zero artificial sweeteners. real fruit and 90 calories... you'll be wowed! try new light & fit with zero artificial sweeteners. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not