gentlemen first just want to get your reaction first of all to rory stewart statement. while the sun fortunate though we have no government ministers making such. frankly reckless and jingoistic statements we have something called the rule of law and due process and if the government wants to introduce some kind of death penalty under the criminal justice system with. within the frame of. the process and the rule of law then they should try and do it you know in the conventional way i'm going through the problem and not you know seeking to apparently essentially what is maybe maybe happening is extra do just full killings of its own citizens eventually. ben what's your reaction. well i'm surprised this is got so much attention because a week ago michael farland made it very clear that if you are british and you decide to pursue the roots of jihad and travel to violence you will be killed. i don't think it is in any way inconsistent with laws and practices or what government policy has been rory stewart was talking specifically i believe and i think he has clarified abou

yesterday, rory stewart said recruits to is should not be helped to come back home. today, ms patel said she supported her colleague. the only way to deal with them is, as the secretary of state for defence has said, as rory stewart has said as well, are through the actions that we and others are taking through coalition forces, which is to clearly to kill them in the way in which, you know, the various strikes have been taking place. our defence correspondent jonathan beale is here. what are we to make of these claims? i think these comments go further than what the defence secretary has said so far which is, essentially, that if britons go to fight in iraq and syria for is, then by dint of their membership they are legitimate targets. not because they are british but because they are fighting for is. this is slightly different. it raises questions about whether there is effectively a shoot to kill policy to target britons fighting in iraq and syria for is. rory stewart, the foreign office minister, said over the weekend that the only way to do with britons who have

don't interrupt you are the same rory stewart and his ilk tony blair alastair campbell george bush all of these guys and the neo conservative lobby which david finds as very closely affiliated to and further than that the anti muslim the anti islam lobby they're not coming to iraq wholesale they are now ok i am is now to go into syria so to have a partition to create kurdistan place and i think just exterminating human being. he's talking about them like they're. all like this subhuman i think is they're telling it like i'm fine thank you. these are the people these human beings have decapitated fellow human beings who have burnt fellow human human beings a life who have girls who have tortured who have indulged in the most grotesque things we've seen probably since the nazis maybe ever these people are not deserving of anything other than their just reward which as rory stewart said should be they should be killed we should hunt each one of them dying in a matter of where they come from it doesn't matter what their fifth is but ten mo if they fight for islamic state that's maybe a clu

rory stewart went further than net today, supporting the view of the us representative, who essentially said that the us would rather they were killed out there in the combat zone than return and become a threat. he has since clarified those comments by putting out a tweet, rory stewart, saying that british jihadists fighting for isis should be treated according to the law. there are large parts of syria and iraq were law doesn't operate, and they are still under the control of is, so it is not possible to send in police with an arrest warrant, as you would do in a normally functioning society. don't forget you can get much more detail on our top stories on our web site there is full coverage on bbc.com/news — including more on the brexit talks and the phone call dispute between the widow myeshia johnson and president trump. let's turn to the story of the rohingya crisis. the united states says that governments must pledge more money to help those who have fled myanmar and gone to bangladesh. clive mhairi sent us this report. for rohingya muslims who have escaped myanmar, neighbouring

|j immediate response to rory stewart and priti pateltoday? i understand where they are coming from. you have hardened fighters who have british backgrounds who have gone out there to fight and certainly if they are still there now, they will be imbued with that cause. but really what i have personally would like to see is if they do manage to return to the uk, and like to see them arrested on arrival and go to the due process of arrival and go to the due process of a criminal trial. i think that is what differentiates us as illiberal democracy from a totalitarian state. but i understand where they are coming from, if they want to stay there and fight, then they will pay there and fight, then they will pay the consequences of it. i'm no apologist for groups like islamic state, i see it as a manifestation of evil. but i think those who comes back, there may be the odd one who was still trapped other who went out naively, fell further propaganda who is trying to get out. we know what this group is like for anyone trying to escape, they will kill

stewart explained his reasoning. they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth century or seventh century state so i'm afraid we have to be serious about these people are serious. and unfortunately any way of dealing with them will be in almost every case to kill or not everyone so sure of that with people online saying militant should be dealt with by the armed forces under the rules of war others fear that a policy of killing all jihad this would only provoke further radicalization and potentially create more terrorists stewart later tried to clarify his position tweeting that competence should clearly be treated within the law that the point he was trying to make was that i still members usually fight to the death now according to official estimates the number of british citizens thought to be fighting for rights or could be as high as eight fifty discuss the problem and the ministers blunt idea for tackli

citizens who go to fight for islamic state in syria and iraq should not return home alive is a rory stewart explained his reasoning. they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to creates an eighth century or seventh century state so i'm afraid we have to be serious about these people are serious. and unfortunately any way of dealing with them will be in almost every case to kill not everyone so sure though with people online saying militants should be dealt with by the armed forces under the rules of war others fear that a policy of killing all jihadists would only provoke further radicalization and potentially create more terrorists well stuart later tried to clarify his position tweeting that competence he said should clearly be treated within the law but the point he was trying to make was that i still fighters usually fight to the death according to official estimates the number of british citizens thought to be fighting for eisel could be as high as eight hundred fifty now we discuss the proble

citizens who go to fight for islamic state in syria and iraq should not return home alive is a rory stewart explained his reasoning. they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves killing others and trying to use violence brutality to creates an eighth century or seventh century state so i'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are serious stage. and unfortunately any way of dealing with them will be in almost every case to kill but not everyone is so sure the vote should be done with people online saying militants in fact should be dealt with by the armed forces under the rules of war others fear that a policy of killing all jihad this would only provoke for the radicalization and potentially create more terrorists sue it later did try to clarify his position a bit tweeting that competence should clearly be treated within the law he said going on throughout that the point he was trying to make was that i still members usually fight to the death when they were according to official estimates the number of british citizens thought to be fi

stewart explained his reasoning. they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth century or seventh century state so i'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are serious danger to us and unfortunately any way of dealing with them will be in almost every case to kill not everyone so sure that's the way to go about it with people online saying that militant should be dealt with by the armed forces crucially under the rules of war others fear that a policy of killing or jihad is really provoked further radicalization potentially create more terrorists double edge sword sort of speak or stewart later tried to clarify his position tweeting that combatants should clearly be treated within the law i think that the point he was trying to make was that i saw members usually quote fight to the death but either which way according to official estimates the number of british citizens thought to be fight

stewart explained his reasoning. they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves killing others and trying to use violence brutality to create an eighth century or seventh century state so i'm afraid we have to be serious about these people are serious danger to us and unfortunately any way of dealing with will be in almost every case to kill but not everyone so sure of that with people online say militants should be dealt with in fact by the armed forces under the rules of war ends others fear that a policy of killing all jihad this would only provoke further radicalization and potentially create more terrorists well stuart went on to later try to clarify his position on this he tweeted that competence should clearly be treated within the law going on due out as well the point he was trying to get over it was that i saw members usually quote fight to the death. although according to official estimates the number of british citizens thought to be fighting for i still could be as high a

—— rory stewart has said, which is to kill them. just to clarify, you are saying that the only way is to do that. there is no point to all bringing them to justice? of course, what we are seeing in certain situations where there is conflict, is the only appropriate way. this comes back to my point earlier, diplomacy. we need to work within the international community which is what we are doing, but when it comes to iraq, when it comes to syria, we are seeing people who are being displaced, losing their homes, suffering such intolerable situation because of the caliphate, because of daesh, because of isis, because of the evil ideology and the persecution they are putting on people and in those situations that's the way coalition forces are dealing with this, but we are working with others to provide humanitarian support to many people who have suffered for years the extreme outcomes of this awful ideology and appeal hate and evil that these people perpetrate. the independent reviewer of terrorism that says british people havejoined i

yesterday, rory stewart said recruits to is should not be helped to come back home. today, ms patel said she supported him. the only way to deal with them is, as the secretary of state for defence has said, as rory stewart has said as well, are through the actions that we and others are taking through coalition forces, which is to clearly to kill them in the way in which, you know, the various strikes have been taking place. the financial conduct authority has said it may take "further action" over the way royal bank of scotland treated some small business customers. the watchdog published an interim report into the unit set up by the bank to help struggling companies, and said it is still investigating. it pointed to some failings at rbs, but said it hadn't engaged in systematic inappropriate treatment of customers. our economics correspondent, andrew verity, has the details. it was four years ago that rbs natwest was first accused of systematically mistreating thousands of business customers. it told customers its global restructuring group was a turnaround divisio

stewart said was to apply to you cases isms that have remained in the u.k. so we're talking about whether they will actually wear that out of the on british citizens who have left i don't you know i think i'm travel to the. land to join duck with death cult. and any any any sovereign government must have the right to enter into war and enter into conflict with its enemies and that's all that is happening here. is a morning here in moscow thanks for watching after the break we have not played on the catalonia crisis today plus a story for you behind the german police killer has been sentenced to a lengthy spell. in case you're new to the game this is how it works the economy is built around quite. confirmations from washington to washington to meet. the media the voters elect the businessman to run this country business because. it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done before. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. so when you want to be president. some wanted. to go right to the press this i

rory stewart, who's a minister at the foreign office and the department for international development, said there were difficult moral issues involved. he's told the bbc that british recruits to is had "essentially moved away from any kind of allegiance" towards the uk. he has had the support of cabinet minister priti patel. earlier, my colleague rebecca jones discussed this with clive baldwin from human rights watch and raffaello pa ntucci from the royal united services institute. we have to look at them on a case—by—case basis and i think if we are looking at those out on the battlefield certainly from a uk government perspective it is a far easier and more tidy, clean solution in many ways if theyjust don't come home and if they end up dead on the battlefields. can i ask you the question again, what do you think? look, my view is i think people who have gone off to fight alongside so—called islamic state have signed up so—called islamic state have signed upforan so—called islamic state have signed up for an organisation who has made an attempt to attack the west. if they

rory stewart told bbc radio the fighters for is had moved away from any kind of british allegiance and were now a serious danger to the country. around half of the 850 britons thought to havejoined is, or daesh, in iraq and syria are now believed to be back in the uk. mr stewart's remarks were raised at defence question—time. one of the consequences of the success of the operations against daesh has been the dispersal of many of their volunteers, including the united kingdom citizens. yesterday, the honourable member for penrith and border, the minister of state for the foreign office and for dyfed, said that as far as uk citizens were concerned to have served in crisis, the only thing to do, with one or two exceptions, was kill them. is that now government policy? my honourable friend has made clear and i have made clear that those who have travelled to fight with daesh in either iraq or syria, will have been committing a criminal offence. daesh is a proscribed organisation and we have to make sure that if they ever do return from iraq and syria, they do not pose a future threat to

stewart said as to apply to you cases that have remained in the u.k. so we're talking about whether they were actually where they were they on british ships and i would have left. them travel to the arbitrary one to join dark with a vicious death cult world where. any any any sovereign government must have the right to enter into war and enter into conflict with its enemies and that is all that is happening here in the way it is it is in contravention of international law we are engaging with isis in the levant to kill. and to destroy this vicious death and i'm not there has not anti you because you have been doing so contravention of law and if you could just give them just give you thirty seconds we are talking about british citizens who have joined up with isis and you respond thirty seconds yet again nobody is defending isis here i understand they are a legitimate target they evil whatever you want to call them but the point isn't just you know under the pretext of this this this evil target let's give our government even more powers to you know ex

this is what rory stewart told bbc 5 live. i don't think anybody should be in any doubt these are people who have essentially moved away from any kind of allegiance towards the british government. they are absolutely dedicated as members of islamic state towards the creation of a caliphate. they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves and killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth century or seventh century state. so i'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are a serious danger to us and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them, in almost every case, will be to kill them. is that always the case? or should brits whojoin through "naiveity" be allowed to integrate back at home? thank you for taking the time to speak to us. what do you make of the comments in light of what your family has been through? they are very uneducated, dangerous, blanket generalised statements, by putting out statementsches that level of violence, and generalis

but one government minister, rory stewart, said yesterday that in most cases, they'll need to be killed. he's clarified that he meant that they would fight to the death, not that we should illegally assassinate them. but mr stewart has prompted quite a debate. our diplomatic editor mark urban has been looking at it. in the rubble of the self—proclaimed caliphate live the corpses of many british jihadists. some infamous figures like sallyjones were reportedly killed in the fight for raqqa, but the fate of many is unknowable, so in terms of the is group, how many uk jihadists joined? more than 800 tasted life in syria and iraq with various groups, and many died, groups, and many died, a fate which apparently the government wishes would befall them all. and we have to make sure that if they ever do return from iraq and syria they do not pose a future threat to our national security, but they have made their choice — they have chosen to fight for an organisation that uses terror and the murder of civilians as a modus operandi. how many are still with is, that's very hard to know, given

stewart, thank you for that applause for these great men. applause and they are double—hatted ministers, they similar stainiously represent the fco and dfid bringing together ourforeign represent the fco and dfid bringing together our foreign policy and represent the fco and dfid bringing together ourforeign policy and our aid programmes. we have someone working to ensure that next year in london we make the most at last of an institution that takes 2.4 billion people, 52 of some of the fastest growing economies in the world and unites them in admiration of the service provided by her majesty the queen and we will have a summit to do herjustice. applause just back from burma, i think, making clear this country‘s disgust at the treatment of the rohingya muslims, mark field and working between europe and america decoding president trump to presidentjunk ka and vice versa, we have that mount rush more of wisdom, sir alan duncan. applause we have a great team and we are getting on with the job and yet frankly folks, as i absorb the general t

stewart. he says converts to fight for the terror group are guilty of horrific acts. he said the only way of dealing with them is to kill them in almost every case. that's on the front page of the times as well. did you suffer from storm brian over the weekend? neither did we. not really. 11 more wild storms are on the way. they will ravage britain before the end of the winter. they love a storm story, don't they? royals are plus the weather. a perfect storm. the front page of the sun is talking about pregnant women for the big up and apparently being ridiculed for trying to band up term pregnant women because it could offend transgender parents. pregnant people is apparently what the government... that's what their story is false i have not read it. loads of pictures of david attenborough on the front of david attenborough on the front of the papers because blue planet ii sta rts of the papers because blue planet ii starts on sunday for can't believe it's been almost 20 years since the first