even if you look at breitbart most of the senior leadership at breitbart's jewish and breitbart was jewish. it becomes difficult. >> host: andrew's closest friend larry in california, deeply touching, larry and breitbart. >> guest: race as well. this wasn't someone i interviewed, a liberal senior executive in hollywood, came out and said i worked with steve bannon for years out there. i have to say even if it hurts me in hollywood the man is not a racist, the charge people put against him and allowed the comment section to have too many people with white supremacist views and so forth and the way he viewed that, the comment section, they do regulate it, you are forewarned and it is a tough place but in terms of breitbart stories, when you look at the stories, they don't have racist content to them and even a new york times article in august which said breitbart is not the alt right in terms of the articles as perceived today in terms of articles that are produced. on a personal level there was nobody that felt he was a racist. grew up as a liberal, his mother was very liberal in richmond,

where does the breitbart base go? where do journalists at breitbart go? fox news, sean hannity, where do they land here? >> there are still people at breitbart who were there at the beginning with andrew breitbart. the ceo on paper, and the editor in chief, who was the first hire andrew breitbart made when he started the platform, those are the two that could guide the flat fo platform going forward without steve bannon. i think they'd relish the opportunity to take breitbart into a different place, away from the bannonism a little bit. so the audience itself, they're still going to be behind trump. where else are they going to go? they've already rejected the establishment republicans. they already distrust the leadership in the house and the senate. they're still going to be behind trump, and they'll still be breitbart readers. there's nowhere else for them to go. >> who is going to finance steve bannon and his destroy the world crusade? if he's lost the support of rebecca and robert mercer, steve bannon loves to talk anti-establishment and anti-wall st

i'm going to ask a breitbart insider. that's next. >>> steve bannon stepping down from his leadership role at breitbart news in the wake of the firestorm over his comments in michael wolff's bombshell book. i want to talk about this with a former breitbart spokesman and cnn political commenter alice stewart. breitbart news announcing today steve bannon is, quote, stepped down from his role as chairman of the right-wing news site. this is from bannon. says, i am proud of what the breitbart team has accomplished in so short a period of time, in building out a world-class news platform. what's your read on this? was bannon forced out? >> without question. it reached the point of no return, where bannon lost in the span of one week, the perception that he had influence with the president of the united states, the financial backing of the billionaire mercer family and now his platform at breitbart. they didn't want to lose all the funding. they decided bannon was an untenable issue diminishing asset to keep hold of. they reall

breitbart is the most famous example. on breitbart you can find articles like does feminism make women ugly. or would you rather your child had feminism or cancer or. breitbart is also obsessed with islam the west versus islam is the new cold war here's how we win. for political correctness protects muslim rape culture. breitbart is a real french publication it's the representative of what they call the old right you know people who want to take on the status quo politics but do so in a very divisive way they're they rail against immigrants to this country they rail against people of muslim faith they you know devout use taxes to divide people on the basis of gender of the basis of race in just a few months breitbart became the main source of information for many american conservatives it's the sensually served as an organ for sort of the tribe of men. trump seems to have instinctively sensed that the vision of the world breitbart projected would touch a nerve with broad segments of the american electorate the key was anx

bully the crap out of everybody at breitbart. demean them, yell at them, curse at them. just treat them like human garbage. that's not the type of mentality that inspires loyalty from anybody. i think there are a lot of folks at breitbart today who are going to wake up tomorrow breathing easier, happier. the ceo and the editor in chief, they are in some level thrilled that the bannon problem has been put to bed and they don't have to deal with his shenanigans, antics and temperament anymore. the problem that brigeitbart no has, what are they going to be? they now have no identity. and they've lost all their sponsors. >> it's a heck of a position to be in. i gotta run, but it's a heck of a position. as i said earlier in the show, how the mighty have fallen. thank you. >>> when we come back, a new ruling on daca goes against the trump administration. i'll talk to a man who quit the president's national diversity council because of his decision to rescind daca. having moderate to severe plaque psoriasis is not always easy. it's a long-distance run. and you have the determin

breitbart is the most famous example. on breitbart you can find articles like does feminism make women ugly. or would you rather your child had feminism or cancer or. breitbart is also obsessed with islam the west versus islam is the new cold war here's how we win. for political correctness protects muslim rape culture. right bart is a real french publication it's the representative of what they call the old right you know people who want to take on the status quo politics but do so in a very divisive way they're they rail against immigrants to this country they rail against people of muslim faith they you know devout use taxes to divide people on the basis of gender on the basis of race in just a few months breitbart became the main source of information for many american conservatives it's the sensually served as an organ for sort of the trap of man. trump seems to have instinctively sensed that the vision of the world breitbart projected would touch a nerve with broad segments of the american electorate. was anxiety. p

breitbart faces an identity crisis that they really haven't had to face since andrew breitbart, the site's founder, died in 2012. at that time, i remember people asking well, what's breitbart without andrew. it immediately became steve bannon. it immediately assumed the identity and agenda of steve bannon. here they wake up today for the first time without an identity, without that figurehead. where they go from here, it will be interesting. i think there will people within breitbart who will try to take it back to what andrew breitbart envisioned the platform to be, a much broader cultural war, not day to day political fight picking winners and losers and candidates and campaigns. there will also be a question whether they can be viable without the donald trump support, without the steve bannon driving editorial force. it really remains to be seen. >> steve, a source close to steve bannon, according to hallie jackson and kristen welker, says that steve bannon -- excuse me, donald trump will call steve bannon back when he needs him. are you counting bannon out? will he still have influence

breitbart is the most famous example. on breitbart you can find articles like does feminism make women ugly. or would you rather your child had feminism or cancer or. breitbart is also obsessed with islam the west versus islam is the new cold war here's how we win. for political correctness protects muslim rape culture. right bart is a real french publication it's the representative of what they call the old right you know people who want to take on the status quo politics but do so in a very divisive way they're they rail against immigrants to this country they rail against people of muslim faith they you know devout use taxes to divide people on the basis of gender on the basis of race in just a few months breitbart became the main source of information for many american conservatives it's the sensually served as an organ for sort of the tribe of men. trump seems to have instinctively sensed that the vision of the world breitbart projected would touch a nerve with broad segments of the american electorate the key was an

breitbart is the most famous example. on breitbart you can find articles like does feminism make women ugly. or would you rather your child had feminism or cancer or. breitbart is also obsessed with islam the west versus islam is the new cold war here's how we win. for political correctness protects muslim rape culture. breitbart is a real french publication it's the representative of what they call the old right you know people who want to take on the status quo of politics but do so in a very divisive way there they rail against immigrants to this country they rail against people of muslim faith they you know devout use taxes to divide people on the basis of gender on the basis of race in just a few months breitbart became the main source of information for many american conservatives it's the sensually served as an organ for sort of the tribe of men. trump seems to have instinctively sensed that the vision of the world breitbart projected would touch a nerve with broad segments of the american electorate the key was an

where does this leave breitbart? breitbart hasn't made any substantive comment on bannon's departure. before it has backed the president on certain issues. where does that leave the website. >> bannon's removal from the site -- howie: unless president trump didn't do something that breitbart didn't like. >> steve bannon attempts to help donald trump get back on the bannon agenda is what resulted in his removal from the white house. he went rogue and told reporters we should be isolated china, not working with china. his idea of helping lost a seat in alabama. howie: he wasn't solely responsible for the loss. do you see breitbart having a future post bannon? >> it will be a voice for donald trump. but to the extent that donald trump won't be president forever, it seems like a bad bet. howie: actor james franco hits the late-night circuits denying sexual harassment. megan's a lawyer. when it comes to presenting evidence, nobody does it better. she's also this close to finding bigfoot. but when it comes to mortgages, sh

where does this leave breitbart? breitbart hasn't made any substantive comment on bannon's departure. before it has backed the president on certain issues. where does that leave the website. >> bannon's removal from the site -- howie: unless president trump didn't do something that breitbart didn't like. >> steve bannon attempts to help donald trump get back on the bannon agenda is what resulted in his removal from the white house. he went rogue and told reporters we should be isolated china, not working with china. his idea of helping lost a seat in alabama. howie: he wasn't solely responsible for the loss. do you see breitbart having a future post bannon? >> it will be a voice for donald trump. but to the extent that donald trump won't be president forever, it seems like a bad bet. howie: actor james franco hits the late-night circuits denying sexual harassment. . . . howie: a report in the "los angeles times" alleged james franco once exposed himself in a car and tried to push her head down. and during the "golden

bannon steps down from breitbart news network" obviously bannon the top honcho at breitbart and went to run the trump campaign and then became the chief strategist for trump and the white house and then was fired by trump and is in a big brouhaha with him. he is stepping down. i guess we don't know exactly the terms. but one would expect this was not necessarily a willing parting because that was -- that was his baby, his -- he loves breitbart. >> that's what he was going back to run. that was going to be where he ran the loyal opposition, where he took aim at mitch mcconnell, supported the president's agenda but called him on things if the president wavered. it's not shocking because it's been rumored, but i can't imagine any scenario in which this was a voluntary move by steve bannon. this is not what he was hoping for. but, you know, we've seen in the last few days he's lost the support of the mercer family. and the amazing thing, jake, is that in the last six months, every time president trump tried to move or thought about move against bannon, he would worry that he could lose t

. >> steve bannon bounced from breitbart. as his epic collapse continues. >> that's why sloppy steve is now looking for a job. >> and the self-proclaimed very stable genius holds court on immigration. >> my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with. >> plays chicken with daca and the wall. >> i think that's what you say. >> "all in" starts now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm joy reid in for chris hayes. republicans did not want the public to see secret testimony related to the infamous trump dossier. but today democratic senator dianne feinstein went ahead and released the testimony anyway. now that we've seen it, it's clear why the republicans didn't want it to get out. because this testimony destroys the conspiracy theory being peddled on the right. to undermine special counsel robert mueller's russia investigation. according to that theory, the dossier was coopted by the fbi in 2016 as part of a democratic plot to tarnish donald trump. >> the clinton campaign and the dnc, now we know those we

he had on sirius xm either because that was through breitbart news. they will be consumed with dealing with the fallout from getting rid of bannon instead of focusing on how they're covering the news or supporting the president's agenda as they have done in the past. >> and you just said supporting the president's agenda. here again is the way steve bannon was positioning it just a few months ago saying that he was going to war for trump when he left the white house. if there is any confusion, let me clear it up, i'm leaving the white house and going to war on behalf of trump. and katty kay, they can throw in all the words they want, it was obvious at the time that there was tension, that's why he was leaving the white house. it's obvious that the pourer is not simply in being the third or fourth press release regurnlg statings message, but being a pressure cooker, positioning himself, whatever you want to call it to the right or to the ground or to the wild other corner of where the republican party would either go or be forced to go. >> yeah, and th

be fine whether he stays at "breitbart." he's a skilled political strategist with a lot of deep ties in the conservative wing of the base. the media would love to see bannon crash and burn. he's perhaps more despised than donald trump himself. there is a perception in the media that barn noon is the one controlling the narrative. the media is treating bannon like this temporary chapel "on. but i still think the media hates him. they love it when republicans fight with each other and this bannon trump feud is being used as a distraction. howie: steve bannon played a key role in the campaign and the white house. do you think the media has a seething lay tread for him? >> i don't. if you mention, his credibility is in jeopardy. there was an article in the national review talking about how steve bannon is a victim of his own -- buying his own hype. and the fact that -- never happens, never happens. i think that at this point because of the statements he made to this "fire and fury" book, in addition to the fact he sort of crashe

will the mercers still support breitbart if bannon is there? sec. mnuchin: shery: -- shery: breitbart has lost a few advertisers in 2017. what is the position look like right now? there are sleeping giants, who go after every company, organization networks at breitbart and target them, ask them to stop putting money into an organization of basic without divisive content. it means they are more financially dependent on private funding, like billionaires such as the mercers. david: you referred to the mercers, who have been critical of steve bannon and to breitbart. the mercers may be talking to create a whole new conservative news organization. is that possible? is it possible that they will move away from breitbart matter what? kurt: it is possible. with the whole landscape changing, steve bannon had kind of anointed himself the leader movement, using the breitbart platform, using the mercers' paycheck. all of those things are gone now. we're looking at post-ban and, a post-bannon, a new world order where a new medial position could be the go to des

the fact that breitbart is actively discussing kicking him out of breitbart and dismissing him. this is his last hope, the public contrition humbling before donald trump, this audience of one, that that a might be enough to save him at breitbart and lay the groundwork to rebuild his relationship with the president. >> let's not forget that he has a show at sirius xm. very contrite and quiet on the radio. there are a lot of subscribers to sirius xm who canceled their subscriptions in the wake of him being brought back in because of the white nationalist leanings and the alt leanings of breitbart and under the mersers, let's just be clear about that. a little bit more from this axios piece because it seems also, curt, that steve bannon is going out of his way to exculpate members of the trump team from things he said that could be of interest to robert mueller. in addition to walking back the treasonous things about donald jr., my comments about the meeting with russian nationals, which he called trees sen news, were from my life experiences stationed aboard a destroyer whose main

breitbart is the most famous example. on breitbart you can find articles like does feminism make women ugly. or would you rather your child had feminism or cancer. right part is also obsessed with islam the west versus islam is the new cold war here's how we win. for political correctness protects muslim rape culture. right bart is a real french publication it's the representative of what they call the old right you know people who want to take on the status quo of politics but do so in a very divisive way they're they rail against immigrants to this country they rail against people of muslim faith they you know devout use taxes to divide people on the basis of gender on the basis of race in just a few months breitbart became the main source of information for many american conservatives it's the sensually served as an organ for sort of the trap of man. trump seems to have instinctively sensed that the vision of the world breitbart projected would touch a nerve with broad segments of the american electorate the key was an

do you think breitbart has a future? as long as donald trump is in the white house a media organisation which... that caters to his demographic and to the people who voted for him will continue to have a voice. the one thing we have seen is donald trump continuing to re— tweet and talk about news and weather that shift sees fox news and become more of the organ of the trump voter than breitbart especially with steve bannon no longer the helm. german threat to brexit trade deal. can you explain this? angela merkel trying to kill off what britain wants now in terms of a future trade deal. exactly. in terms of a future trade deal. exa ctly. n ow in terms of a future trade deal. exactly. now that we have sufficient progress according to britain and the eu, as decided in december, talks can now start discussing trade. unfortunately this side of brexit is likely to be quite slow. the whole process will be slow but in the grand scheme of things, this will not start until the end of the first quarter. angela merkel is still un

i think bannon will probably be just fine whether or not he stays at breitbart. i suspect this is not last will see of him. he's a skilled political strategists a lot of deep ties in the populist wing of the conservative base. i think he will be okay. the media love to see the bannon crash and burn and they have a seething hatred for him. he was more despised than donald trump himself because there was a perception in the media that bannon was the one controlling the white house narrative behind closed doors. for the moment media is treating bannon like this temporary champion because he allegedly made comments that can be used to make trump look bad but i still think the media hates him and they love it when republicans fight with each other in this bannon trumpet acute is being used as a distraction, i think.. howard: steve bannon played a key role in the white house. do you agree the media has a seething hatred for him because what we are now learning and certainly you talk to some reporters. >> i don't think they have a seething hatred for him at this point.

dent in theuge balance sheet of breitbart news. site,f you are only a new it is tough to get by and make a profit. it is that much harder when you have these controversial politics, ties to white supremacy and anti-semitism, all of the things that breitbart has been mixed up in. that problem had been patched over from investments with private donors, like the mercer family. brokee family publicly with brandon last week -- bannon last week. this may have been breitbart's only path forward. julia: what about steve bannon in particular? to wouldn't expect anyone support him at this stage and risk the fallout. what does he do from here? does he apologize behind the scenes to the president and enter the fold -- come back to the fold in some manner? josh: when steve bannon left the white house, his primary focus was trying to extend the political movement beyond donald trump. believed the recent presidential election was a referendum on a set of ideas, where trump believed it was a referendum on him. wasp was right, bannon wrong, in hind

breitbart without bannon, bannon without breitbart, true, happening? >> if it is happening, and the signs point to maybe, maybe it's going to happen in the coming days, breitbart would change forever and so would bannon. bannon might create a new conservative news outlet. who knows what he might do next. >> oliver, you've done some reporting on this and spoken to people inside breitbart. look, the people i know who work for breitbart were fiercely loyal to steve bannon, up until now. what are they saying? how is this going to work? >> there are a lot of people who are fiercely loyal to bannon inside breitbart still but kind of left in the dark. they don't know what's going on. there hasn't been anyone addressing or sending an e-mail out saying this is what's happening. they're finding out everything they know from news reports. what we know is that a person familiar said there's been a hard push to convince the ceo of breitbart and suzzy breitbart the widow of andrew breitbart to oust bannon as executive chairman and that's being debated. we don't have

. >> i don't think breitbart is going to turn on bannon. what's interesting to me after trump's statement essentially curb stomping ban, will breitbart turn on the president? especially with the issues coming down the pike, daca, the need to build the wall. if he's forced to cut some kind of a deal with democrats, does trump really have control of his base as his statement asserted or will that base stick with the likes of bannon and breitbart and turn on the president? >> i think another question also is how does steve bannon go forward now that he's been completely repudiated by the president? how does he go forward and interact with a special counsel or a congressional investigators who he has clearly given a lot of crumbs to. >> one other interesting excerpt from the book, the president was going to pick jared kushner to be his chief of staff. and the book claims that none other than ann coulter was the voice of reason and said you just can't hire your own children. >> i don't think -- he seemed to imagine that the position was sort of

minus breitbart, he is presumably neutralized. david: he is, but he has gone around the country and endorsed senate candidates. do they fully discard him? we saw some distance developing. they will pick the president over steve bannon and that is what steve bannon found out. laura: let's turn to the extraordinary bipartisan immigration meeting where the cameras were allowed in, and afterwards, everyone seemed confused as to whether the president had agreed to protection for the undocumented immigrants in imminent danger of deportation without a wall. david: it is striking, because not all the time do we see a camera inside the negotiation. sometimes we see it after. the bring in the cameras beforehand and then they kick them out and get into the details. but we didn't see the president -- but we did see the president apparently confused about his own position, and then house majority leader kevin mccarthy stepping in and saying, no, we don't agree to a vote on just daca, mr. president. we need concessions for daca including border

but equally, what is the issue with breitbart news? will the donald trump supporters stop listening to steve bannon's show and reading his article is? the problem cuts both ways. he used to work with steve bannon. speaking to me earlier. you're watching newsday on the bbc. still to come on the programme. chinese sailors finish in the top 20 in one of the world's toughest ocean races, the sydney to hobart. the japanese people are mourning following the death of the emperor. thousands converged on the imperial palace to pay their respects when it was announced he was dead. good grief! after half a century of delighting fans around the world, charlie brown and the rest of the gang are calling it quits. the singapore simon starts is to south africa in spite of protest and violence from some black activist groups —— the singer. they say international artists should continue to boycott south africa until majority rule is established. teams are trying to scoop up lumps of oil as france realises it faces an ecological crisis. three weeks a

i think bannon will probably be just fine whether or not he stays at breitbart. i suspect this is not last will see of him. he's a skilled political strategists a lot of deep ties in the populist wing of the conservative base. i think he will be okay. the media love to see the bannon crash and burn and they have a seething hatred for him. he was more despised than donald trump himself because there was a perception in the media that bannon was the one controlling the white house narrative behind closed doors. for the moment media is treating bannon like this temporary champion because he allegedly made comments that can be used to make trump look bad but i still think the media hates him and they love it when republicans fight with each other in this bannon trumpet acute is being used as a distraction, i think.. howard: steve bannon played a key role in the white house. do you agree the media has a seething hatred for him because what we are now learning and certainly you talk to some reporters. >> i don't think they have a seething hatred for him at this point.

well steve bannon and breitbart are both saying that he left the his position at breitbart but there's a lot of speculation in washington that he was probably pushed out. one of the investors and one of the board members that breitbart is a republican a billionaire republican donor by the name of rebecca mercer she hopelessly called bannon out last week over the comments that he made in fire and fury so there is speculation that she probably had something to do with his leaving the breitbart news. this afternoon what is the political future for steve bannon kind of hard to tell right now he appears to be rather toxic this was a man who had a very meteoric rise started at breitbart in two thousand and twelve sort of led this nationalist movement and helped get president trump elected and then was part of his staff now he's fallen out of favor with trump he's lost his job at breitbart and he's also lost a show a radio show on sirius satellite radio so he sort of lost that platform for that nationalist movement but washington is a city where there are a lot of second chances he was workin

a lot of breitbart staffers heard this. they believed it. when the news came out yesterday in the "new york times" initially that he was being ousted from breitbart, it stunned them. they didn't see this coming. >> clearly, he didn't see it coming if that's what he was imparting to them. >> he must have known it was coming. we reported last week there was a hard push to oust him from the website and convince the ceo to essentially fire him. he must have known this was coming. he was defiant and telling people around him this is all nonsense and you know, he's staying at breitbart. they believed him and were stunned that he was ousted. >> no breitbart. that means no sirius xm radio where he could reach people. his benefactors, the mercers pulled their financial support. fox news puts out a statement that says we're not going touch him with a ten-foot pole. they said we're not going to hire him. that seems to be what everyone is saying. without patronage, without a megaphone, what does he do? >> that's unclear. i think he wan

republican donor is a woman name rebecca mercer who has who is an investor and breitbart and sits on the board there and she hopelessly rebuked bannon last week when these excerpts from fire and fury started hitting the news waves people started hearing about them she sided with president trump and smacked down ban and so there's thoughts that she might be behind him stepping aside from breitbart so it may not have been just . a parting of the ways it sounds he may have actually been pushed and as well this losing support support from you know high profile people and donors what about political support from people that i'm you know ordinary people that support bad and. is he losing that what next for him and you know this has political career has political ambitions. yeah that's interesting this is a man who had a very meteoric rise in a precipitous fall and he came to breitbart in two thousand and twelve to run the publication and then was tapped in two thousand and sixteen to be c.e.o. of president trump's political campaign and then moved into the white house as a strategist and t

that is going to tick off the "breitbart" right. he will get a lot of heat if he continues on this path from his own side but, you know, he is the president. he actually could strike a deal, a deal on immigration that barack obama couldn't get, george w. bush, couldn't get. i'm not saying it is going to happen but the president can lead on this we saw that in front ever the cameras. it is a lot better than tweeting i'm a stable genius. show people. melissa: show, don't tell. show, don't tell what they always say. howard kurtz, appreciate it. great job. >> thanks. david: the president was also doing this, helping our nation's heroes. president trump signing an executive order to expand mental health treatments for veterans today. the order instructs the departments of defense, homeland security and veterans affairs to develop a plan within 60 days to provide quote, seamless access to mental health treatment and suicide prevention resources this is for uniformed servicemembers in the year following their military service. very worthwh

kurt is a former spokesman for breitbart. mr. steele, let's start with the meeting at camp david this weekend. how uncomfortable is it going to be or does it not come up at all? >> it may be a little uncomfortable. when you look at mitch mcconn l mcconnell, he will want to focus on the news at hand. he won't want to get into the salacious news of the day. so i think they'll be about business. they'll try to get to the n.ub of what the president wants to achieve with infrastructure reform. what it will cost and how they go about implementing it. >> i want to play another clip. this is what the office said people told him. >> one of the more disturbing observations you make in the book is that the president's close advisers, people around him have noticed him repeating stories, expression for expression, within a short period of time. >> in a shortened period. they've all tracked this. it used to be, i know people would point out in the beginning it was like every 25 or 30 minutes, you would get the same three stories repeated. now

but anderson, the breitbart is amnesty and runs completely counter. we had those rallies every night on your show. runs completely counter to the campaign that the president ran for a year and a half. >> jim acosta, thank you. fascinating. for more about how the president thinks and operates, we're joined by gloria borger, maggie haberman. how do you look at why the white house allowed us to watch this t? >> i think the why the white house allowed us to watch it is it was aimed at quelling these questions about not the president's mental illness but whether he's intelligent. that's one of the themes that ran through the michael wolff's book. the president is very defensive about his intelligence as we've seen over the last three years or so. what you saw in terms of the four different answers that he gave at various points is what we saw throughout the came pain. he has vague, loose ideas. he can be per situated by who he last talked to and takes two different positions in conflict with each other in the same sentence. you don't normally see it play o

executive chairman, now says in a statement, he's proud of what the breitbart team has accomplished in so short a period of time in building out a world-class news platform. it's a controversial platform, too, with bannon the lightning rod telling 60 minutes. >> i'm a street fighter, that's what i am. >> reporter: an ally of the conservative base that supported 2kru7, he's also an enemy of establishment republicans who are nearly gleeful after his fall from grace in the eyes of the president and in the eyes of some conservatives who did not back bannon's pick in the senate race. >> he has presided over the freak show wing of the republican party. and that legacy of his is one that will continue forward. >> reporter: bannon, self-styled as a shadowy master mind keeper of the nationalist flame, telling nbc news source he's ready to move more into politics post breitbart. hallie jackson, nbc news, the white house. >> in an abrupt change of course, the trump administration now says florida will not be included in a plan to expand offshore drilling. the reversal comes just days after int

former trump strategist steve bannon quits his right—wing news group breitbart. this follows unflattering comments attributed to him in a new book. i'm kasia madera in london. also in the programme: a court in myanmar will decide whether to charge these two reuters journalists with breaching the country's official secrets act in their coverage of the rohingya crisis. and a space oddity, why did this japanese astronaut have a growth spurt in space? it's 8am in singapore. midnight in london and 9am in seoul, where after months of tension between the two koreas, there's signs of a sudden and dramatic change. for the first time in over two years, north and south korea have engaged in formal military talks to try to defuse tensions between the two countries. the north will also send a delegation to the winter olympics taking place in south korea, next month. our correspondent rupert wingfield—hayes reports from seoul. the skiers on the slopes of pyeongchang today were moving a little slower than they will be in a months time. then, the world's best will be flying do

the next step should be for breitbart board to fire him. charles: chris, they were calling economic nationalism did echo in the heartland, it turned states like ohio and pennsylvania. >> bannon had a points, he seized on to eye movement. he long pushed tried ideas before it became a political platform that took the nation. that does not mean he is bigger be that the platform, one thing was matt drudge, he hired andrew breitbart, a fantastic guy who since passed, said bannon has to be out, he trusts future to breitbart widow and other cofounders that hurts to get that from a friend. charles: last night steve bannon tried or began to walk this back, called donald trump a great pla man on his radio show. >> the president is a great man, i support him day in day out, whether going and giving trump miracle speech, i appreciate the kind words. charles: cavalier there. you think he gets or understands how detrimental this week has been for him and his future. >> very much so, i think that steve bannon, we look at him, it is important to understand

the question is, who's going to run breitbart? who's going to carry that message won't be able to do it. >> tom, what do you make of this in terms of the politics, the republican party. what does that mean? >> it's amazing you have a self-styled field general, steve bannon, dividing the party, trying to get the primaries done. he actually ends up unifying remember cans in their desire to oust him. i think what it means at the moment is actually a little bit of a rise for donald trump. it's good for him to have the republicans unified. it's good for him to be on the same page as them. it was a good moment for him for a lot of reasons. none one, to distract from what was going on in the forthcoming book "fire and fury" but also because he's weighed in on the side of the establishment and basically called bannon a fraud. >> does he have anything left? does he fadeaway? is he still a player for 2018? >> i think it's very hard without that platform. ultimately his power became derivative of donald trump's. he was building his audience

now there's an opportunity to get him in the pocketbook at breitbart. i'm not surprised she answered the question that way. and i think it's going to continue to be more negative comments as we move forward. >> color me a cynic on this whole he's upset because the family got attacked thing, i think the thing that bothers him is that bannon was talking about the thing that bannon won the presidency and that he portrayed the president as not being in charge. in you look at the statement, oh my children, it's all about how useless bannon is basically. >> we're going to take a quick break. >>> coming up, how late night comedians are vying for top out honors from the president in his made up fake news awards show, stay with us. r totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a

executive chairman, now says in a statement, he's proud of what the breitbart team has accomplished in so short a period of time in building out a world-class news platform. it's a controversial platform, too, with bannon the lightning rod telling 60 minutes. >> i'm a street fighter, that's what i am. >> reporter: an ally of the conservative base that supported 2kru7, he's also an enemy of establishment republicans who are nearly gleeful after his fall from grace in the eyes of the president and in the eyes of some conservatives who did not back bannon's pick in the senate race. >> he has presided over the freak show wing of the republican party. and that legacy of his is one that will continue >> reporter: bannon, self-styled as a shadowy master mind keeper of the nationalist flame, telling nbc news source he's ready to move more into politics post breitbart. hallie jackson, nbc news, the white house. >> in an abrupt change of course, the trump administration now says florida will not be included in a plan to expand offshore drilling. the reversal comes just days after interior sec

now, bannon is leaving breitbart, but not expected to leave politics. citing a "washington post" report, bannon has told associates that he plans on creating a 2018 political operation. and a source close to bannon tells nbc news that bannon believes president trump is transactional, and that they will have a relationship once again. >> joining us is deputy news editor for axios, dave waller. give us what you think is there do progress, with the sticking points with the president saying i'll take the heat for it, if we want to make changes here. what are your take-aways? >> two big takeaways, first, president trump is in a really good place in terms of his rhetoric. he said he wants a bill of love. that's not something you'd expect from a president who ran on a hard line immigration policy. he also wants to have a deal on daca. you take that aside, you think, okay, maybe we're in a position to get a deal. the problem is there's four big issues outstanding on immigration alone in terms of border security. chain migration, visas and then daca. we're not r

who gets breitbart? i guess we might know. >> well, yeah, it is a decision that has to be made by the board and i haven't been able to confirm to the level of satisfaction that i would report it. i've heard that there are those conversations are happening but again, i haven't been able to confirm one way or the other whether he's being booted out of breitbart or not. it's very hard when reporting on this stuff because people will swear black and blue one side or the other, and let's just say i'm highly skeptical of all the information that's coming to me at the moment on this particular subject. >> so jonathan swan, steve bannon does know how to push trump's buttons and went out and said something similar that vladimir putin has said. he's a great man. trump parroting the compliment in front of the press pool. it seems possible they could kiss and make up. does that seem possible to you? >> oh, i mean, look, trump is a moment by moment operator. we saw that with so many times over the last year. anthony

breitbart eventually i think goes to bannon. that's where the allegiance. >> right. >> and the base, what's left of the base is confused. mostly, i think, with trump, because they still have faith in him, but i don't think they're ready to -- i don't think en masse they will completely reject bannon at this point. we'll have to see. i -- you know, it will be interesting to see. will he now continue to go around the country trying to put up his candidates for, in republican primaries? maybe he will. it will be harder if he doesn't have the mercers' cash behind him. >> gene, you are always right. we just picked this up from breitbart news tonight on siriusxm. take a listen and we'll discuss it on the other side. >> first of all, i think trump made a huge mistake, steve, bashing you like he did today on twitter. that was devastating to me. i hope in the future you can forgive him for that when we come to 2020, because i'm sure he's going to need your help. >> the president of the united states is a great man. you know i support him

the breitbart engine could be running out of gas or looking for a new gas station. by gas, i mean cash. bannon is losing his biggest financial patron, rebecca mercer. we haven't been able to convirm that, but wut it into context. >> it's lugely important because the mercers are the major financial benefactor of bannon's right wing empire. bright bart news and the government couldability institute and the research shop that produced an anti-clinton book. it's especially important because in the year since bannon was elevated to run trump's campaign, there has been a well organized boycott that cost breitbart news many of the advertisers. if the nursers were to pull out, that would do enormous damage to breitbart and without that platform, it's not clear what the venue would be for bannon to continue to exert the influence he has. >> it's not clear if these insurgent candidates would be flocking to him in the way we saw a couple of weeks ago. i was told by a couple of folks yesterday that even before we saw trump go after bannon, there were questions about how much ju

without the platform of breitbart, how does he get his message out? having the platform of breitbart behind you or underneath you is a huge advantage. >> i was doing some reporting literally right before we came on the air talking to people from breitbart. and bannon thought he was hosting his radio show on sirius xm tomorrow morning. and he was fired from that show, too. when you remove him from his national radio show and breitbart news, he now has nothing to spread any kind of influence. to go out and to continue to try and build this movement, give public speeches. i know that as recently as two days gow ehe was meeting with donors. so somehow or other he really didn't see the end coming, but it came today and came very suddenly and swiftly. >> just in terms of his relationship with the president, the white house says there's no way back into the president's good graces. do you believe that? is the relationship, do you think, fully severed? >> well, trump is known for going back around. and he did it after bannon left the white house in august. ho

well steve bannon and breitbart are both saying that he left the his position at breitbart but there's a lot of speculation in washington that he was probably pushed out. one of the investors and one of the board members that breitbart is a republican a billionaire republican donor by the name of rebecca mercer she hopelessly called gran an out last week over the comments that he made in fire and fury so there is speculation that she probably had something to do with his leaving the breitbart news. this afternoon what is the political future for steve bannon kind of hard to tell right now he appears to be rather toxic this was a man who had a very meteoric rise started at breitbart in two thousand and twelve sort of led this nationalist movement and helped get president elected and then was part of his staff now he's fallen out of favor with trump he's lost his job at breitbart and he's also lost a show a radio show on sirius satellite radio so he's sort of lost that platform for that nationalist movement but washington is a city where there are a lot of second chances he was working t

also what happens to breitbart now? will it continue its attacks on paul ryan and mitch mcconnell even as the president in some issues moves towards them? it will be fascinating to watch. >> steve schmidt, last thought? >> at the end of the day, steve bannon lost his power base. breitbart is gone. why would any republican senator care what bannon thinks. as we look at nevada in 2010, the republican party has been plagued by the fringe candidates and it has cost them six or seven u.s. senate seats since the beginning of this decade. that problem isn't going to go away for republicans. you will still see those candidates. and for sure there will be someone new who emerges on top of the pyramid of the freak show wing to replace bannon. don't know who it is but i guarantee you he's out this. >> let me follow up. mcconnell released a video of him smiling about bannon's demise. is it too early for establishment republicans like mcconnell and ryan to breathe a sigh of relief when bannon wouldn't have been as successful and bre

what happens to breitbart now? >> i think ultimately, steve bannon's faith will be determined what breitbart can do. the people there, the guy in charge of breitbart and the editor in chief. whether they can secure funding without bannon or with. if donors say bannon has to go or mercer says if you want us to continue supporting breitbart, bannon will be kicked out. >> what does it mean the mercers only dump him now. robert shares a lot of racial views. >> right, well, it just shows that all of these alliances aren't built in moral integrity or philosophy. they are built on convenience, what steve bannon is finding out now that he doesn't have proximity to the president, nobody will take his call, nobody cares about him, nobody knows who he is. >> you're not the product, you're the salesman. thanks, that the "all in" for this evening. >>> breaking tonight from the "new york times," how the president tried to stop attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself in the russia investigation. knowledge now in the

. >>> also steve bannon leaving breitbart. an all-star guest lineup including andy biggs, former 2016 deputy campaign manager for donald trump david bossie. judge andrew napolitano. and radio host lawrence jones all here all tonight. politics, money, we got you covered. welcome to "risk & reward," i'm elizabeth macdonald. the dow closing up 102 points to 25,285, less than 7 00 points from the 26,000 milestone. don't debate policy but continue to talk about how to remove president trump from office. the president announcing he will travel to davos, switzerland to debate policy and how the agenda helps the middle class, after talking policy like tax cuts and more broadband internet to americas farmers yesterday, and last night the president standing next to rossi cadet singing the national anthem and historic bull session between the democrats and the president. senator lindsey graham call together most fascinating meeting he's been involved in, in the past 20 years. >> the american public are very frustrated with us. >> you're