and he knows he needs john kelly. the white house is running better under john kelly, even though the president continues to make things hard on himself sometimes with the early morning tweets and many other impulsive behaviors. but he knows that john kelly is doing about as good a job as anybody can do in that role in this administration, and i don't see that this is -- this is what we've seen before when he says, good guy, and it means that guy is on his way out. >> catty, let's pull the thread a little farther in terms of the underlying tensions between these two men. maggie haberman reported in "the new york times," mr. kelly is trying to isolate him. his senior aides to the president are frustrated they cannot speak directly to mr. trump and must go through a filter. people have also warned the president that he faces a massive staff exodus among senior officials in part as a result of the working environment that kelly has created. >>> so, eli is correct in that kelly's job is secure, in part, because there are

john kelly. tweeting out, the wall is the wall. it's never changed from the first day i conceived of it. it was never intended to be built in areas of natural protection, goes on and on. but this morning he sees john kelly on television saying somehow he's waffley and flexible and he picks a fight with his chief of staff.

and, therefore, john kelly is wrong. although, i do want to say when we speak about flake -- senator flake comparing trump to joseph stalin, i think we are wrong. because he didn't compare them. he just compared the language. which i think in a democracy already is a coupe but noneless the it's not a direct comparison. >> explain that. >> in a democracy it is a coupe because not only the president is using enemy of the people, not only semarly, the press organizations today we saw the results of the fake news award, which is remarkable in many ways, so it is a coup that the president brands those who disagree with them as the enemies and those who produce fake information -- that is something that nondemocracies do. so i think in this sense it's a coupe that in his language the president cites those well known dictators, and not just the 20th century dictators but all autocrats. >> that's another point jeff flake went on to make. let's listen to more of what he said, talking about president assad of syria and due tear te

luis gutierrez, s/john kelly, jefe de gabinete de la casa blanca s/cong. adriano espaillat, s/cong. paul ryan, s/randy serrano, @serranonews mitad de semana en la capital y aun no hay un acuerdo sobre daca. lo que si hubo en el congreso este miércoles más negociaciones y más reuniones. la primera del día fue entre el caucus hispano del congreso y el jefe de gabinete de la casa banca john kelly. s/cong. luis gutierrez, l dijo que el presidente firmar un proyecto de ley y que él está dispuesto a firmar lo que el congreso decida. pero donald trump ya rechazó el primer plan bipartidista sobre daca la semana pasada y en la reunión con kelly no se concretó un acuerdo. s/john kelly, jefe de gabinete de la casa blanca eso a pesar de que kelly dijo que tuvo buenas conversaciones con congresistas sobre el tema.. y de los detalles de dos proyectos de ley que se dieron a conocer esta semana uno en el senado y otro en la cámara baja que protegerían a los soñadores y aumentarían la seguridad fronteriza. s/cong. adriano espaillat, nosotros estamos dispuestos a ceder a cambio de que lo

kelly here, there is one thing to have trump and john kelly at odds on this. this is not the first time that the president has been upset at something c-- john kelly said. but the political shop is under fire, is that fair to say and the big complaint is that john kelly doesn't understand politics and if you have a chief of staff that doesn't understand politics you can't run the white house in an election year. what do you say. >>? he has the toughest job in the job besides being quarterback of the redskins and i think this president came to washington vowing to do things differently. guess what, it is going to look different. it is going to look different. and he also challenged republican party the entire time of his nomination. so that means it won't always be in sync with capitol hill. and people who voted for him like that. they knew this would be ugly at times. and so i think that is how you have to look at john kelly and his job. >> i do feel like we're at that six-month mark. so who knows and we know that -- it does seem -- he got worn out by the camp

la reuniÓn entre legisladores demÓcratas y john kelly sobre la nueva propuesta bipartidista sobre daca y el reforzamiento de la seguridad en la frontera terminÓ en un fracaso. claudia: el jefe de gabinete del presidente vino al congreso. luego de reunirse con legisladores demÓcratas, algunos participantes en el encuentro aseguran que john kelly le se dijo que estados unidos nunca construirÍa un muro fÍsico en la frontera con mÉxico y que algunas de las promesas de campaÑa trump las hizo estando desinformado. y eso no fue todo. por primera vez, john kelly clarificÓ por quÉ trajo a republicanos al encuentro en la casa blanca donde el presidente rechazÓ tajantemente una propuesta bipartidista la semana pasada. hubo un nÚmero de senadores que no fueron consultados, como el senador tom catÓn y david. dijo el jefe de gabinete. se referÍa a los senadores considerados como los mÁs anti inmigrantes y eso comprima por quÉ los miembros salieron con las manos vacÍas de su reuniÓn con john kelly. >> nosotros estamos dispuestos a darle mÁs cuestiones de seguridad fronteriza. quÉ fu

maybe john kelly has a rough day at the office today. but i don't think it's bannoned just yet. >> john kelly has had rougher days than this. >> for him it matters. >> he can take this i'm sure. but it probably isn't comfortable. amy, this is just part of what the president is doing this morning, undercutting his chief of staff, but also undercutting house leadership. they're trying to get a stopgap spending measure through. as part of this deal, they wanted funding for the children's health insurance program, six years. now the president says no to that all of a sudden. he's saying no, we think, to the deal on the table. what's the thought? >> it's blowing everyone's minds on capitol hill. this is the second time this week he's done this. he did this on the senate side, this bipartisan immigration compromise. he came in and said no, they worked so hard to get this deal together and couldn't quite make it happen. now he's doing it again. i think a lot of lawmakers are frustrated. they're saying, okay, we're actually doing the dealmaking

he has done that to some extent with john kelly. the second major lesson is you -- there is a huge difference between campaigning and governing. about demonizing and governing is about coalition. it's about building something larger than your base. there is no evidence donald trump has learned that lesson. john kelly needs to help them get here. host: this is the opinion of steve on twitter. he said john kelly stopped the leaking. that's the major reason he's there. true: i don't think that's at all. i think the leaks continue unabated. you don't stop leaks by intimidating or threatening or being a tough general as it were. the way you stop leaks is by running a white house staff where there is respect, discipline, and when you tell the truth. that's how youk prevent leaks. you're never going to prevent them completely. there will always be leaks. that was certainly true even with successful two-term presidency's. i don't think kelly has stopped the leaks. host: we move on to barbara in red bank, new jersey. caller: good morning. to

what is the future of john kelly? >> i don't think he's on the chopping block or going to be replaced tomorrow but i do think this is how it starts. it's a snowball effect. he pushes them and pushes them until they leave. that's what he did with reince priebus, steve bannon, all these people. he keeps them around for some time before they're ultimately pushed out. i think he does realize that he needs john kelly in a sense that he has quieted the west wing some. but then he does these other things where he imposes these harsh restrictions on the president, which he doesn't like. it's not just who can come by the oval office, but his calls and all of that. the president starts spending more time in the residents than the west wing. he can be himself and in a personal sense feels restrict bid john kelly. >> kaitlan collins, thank you very much. >>> breaking developments in not just one but two sexual harassment stories today. hillary clinton stepping in to save the job of a campaign staffer accused of sexual harassment

i thought what jen kelly said -- john kelly said was pretty stark. i believe we have run out of road. that is a pretty stunning thing for the white house chief of staff to say. we've heard similar sentiments in the past, talking about diplomacy. it is reassuring in my view for the white house that john kelly, not taken in by the shows from north korea and the joint female ice hockey team at the olympics. this is a show they are putting on and i think there are a lot of people who would like to believe they are sincere and that after three decades of lying and insincerity, it's reassuring to know they are not taken in by that. >> bret: obviously a lot of questions i wanted to ask. i asked about steve bannon and the fact that he wasn't answering questions. i was kind of surprised he said the white house was not involved in executive privilege. i wonder whether those words change what the meaning is, whether he answers questions are not. sarah sanders seem to say something different at the white house. >> absolutely. steve bannon went to talk to the hou

he tweeted this morning about it, really contradicting john kelly, almost point for point. he wrote that -- his views on the wall has never changed and he says it has not evolved from first day i conceived of it. trump then continued, it was never intended to be built in areas where there is natural protection, and he said once more that he believes mexico will pay for the wall, whether directly or indirectly. so, john kelly there, get something very public pushback on this, and also the president is facing this prospect, again, of a potential government shutdown. and he's been tweeting about that this morning and confusing some aides. i can tell you the white house was caught by surprise by his comments about the chip bill and about funding for the government, which ends tomorrow. we'll see whether there is any effort to clarify what exactly the president means when he -- with those comments this morning, earlier. john and poppy? >> abby fiphillip at the white house, thank you very much. >>> one thing we thought we knew was that the white house supported this, but then cam

the point john kelly was making is the president had evolved, right? >> yes. >> that's what presidents do. the president said i have not evolved. the wall is the wall. it has never changed or evolved. >> but listen, if you listen to what he said about the way he described the wall, clearly he's describing it. he's saying, look, i know it's not 100% physical barrier. >> what john kelly said is not true, that's what he's saying. because he said he's evolved. >> well, i think what they're both saying, you know, the president obviously has a way of asserting himself. but i think john kelly speaks with the -- with the -- he cooperates clearly i think with the president. he's empowered by the president. what he was saying is look, when we get down to these specifics of policy, we know that there are certain specifics that are different, if you will, from political rhetoric. and we will accommodate those. but nonetheless, the issue remains that we've got to get these issues hammered out by tomorrow. in terms of what's going to be included in a continuing reso

he's done it with john kelly to some extent. second major lesson, there's a huge difference between campaigning and governing. you can't govern the way you campaign. campaigning is about demonizing and disrupting. government is about building coalitions and reaching across the aisle and building something larger than your base. there's no evidence that donald trump learned that lesson. kelly needs to help him get there in my opinion. host: opinion of steve on twitter about general kelly. he says john kelly stopped the leaking. that's the major reason he's there. what do you think? guest: i don't think that's true at all. i think the leaks continue unabated. frankly, you don't stop leaks by intimidating or threatening or being a tough general as it were. the way you stop leaks is by running a white house staff where there's respect there's discipline and when you tell the truth. i honestly think that that's how you prevent leaks. you never will prevent them completely. it's like taxes. there will always be leaks. that was certain

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that the chief of staff john kelly was up on capitol hill making a rare appearance. we don't typically see the chief of staff running around with lawmakers. but he met behind closed doors with members of the hispanic congressional caucus. we talked with a source familiar with it saying during a meeting earlier today, the chief of staff john kelly explained to the plaums the president is, quote, uninformed some of these issues on immigration and specifically that the president is uninformed when it comes to the issue of the wall, specifically, how long it should be, where it should be built. so it was essentially a plea from the chief of staff to those lawmakers for some patients when it comes to dealing with the president on this issue. a pretty eye opening admission on the part of chief of staff, john kelly, that the president is uninformed these immigration issues. keep in mind, and we know this full well. this was a key center piece of the president's campaign for the white house in 2016. that he wanted a wall built on the mexican border. he wanted mexico to pay f

i think john kelly is way out of character for john kelly's conduct these last six months. to go to a group in a room full of liberal democrats about building awe wall knowing a group like that would leave that out. we had that discussion on your show. of course then he went to fox and said the president's views have evolved between the campaign and the office of the presidency. so that is just naturally something john kelly would know would enrage president trump. >> is president trump -- >> i believe he is doing it to push back because internally his pushback wasn't working. he has been really entitled to this. a great debate on immigration. and i think that it is a known fact that when people cannot convince president trump behind closed doors, they take their argument to television to try to convince him that way. >> but who took this story that there is a rift that the president is unhappy with john kelly to division, right? cnn is reporting in the last 24 hours on the front page of the "new york times" and the "washington post", someone wants to get the story out that

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a source tells cnn that the president hated remarks by john kelly in which he said the president had changed his views on a border wall between mexico and the u.s. the president venting some of his frustration in this morning's twitter storm saying in part, the wall is the wall. it has never changed or evolved from the first day i conceived of it. let's get to the latest from the white house and cnn's abby phillip. tell us about what seems like it may be a rift between two key players in averting a government shutdown here, abby. >> reporter: that's right. some very direct pushback from the president to john kelly's commts on fox news and also in a meeting with congressional hispanic caucus members yesterday. now, john kelly had been tasked with sort of leading this effort on behalf of the president, trying to broker a deal between the two sides. but in the process he seems to have undercut the president himself and president trump is, as you mentioned, fuming according to this source and hated the comments that he made in this interview. take a listen. >> he's very definitely change

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to put a finer point on this, the president, john kelly in the measured way that john kelly normally speaks, told bret baier they're going to figure out a way in which mexico pays for the wall, but the president's thinking on this evolved, as it typically would from campaign to governing. stephanie agrees it'd be reasonable. >> right. >> a few hours later, the president tweets out, my thinking hasn't evolved. we're building the wall, the wall we said it was going to be, and mexico is going to pay for it. i'm thinking, is this going to be a tough day for john kelly and the president? >> reporter: it could be a tough day. john kelly made those comments not just on fox news, he also said it to a group of democratic lawmakers with whom he met privately yesterday. he said there won't be a 2,000 mile wall from sea to shining sea and mexico won't pay for it, at least directly. then the president on twitter says mexico will pay for it directly or indirectly. the white house, i've asked for a comment about, you know, who will pay for this and which account should we believe. no response yet.

i know john kelly, and i know he understands border security. even when he was getting confirmed as dhs secretary, he was saying we do not need a solid wall. here's what confuses me. last week i heard donald trump say $18 billion, we can do it for much less. i'm a fast builder. i can do it cheaper and i can do it faster. and now a week later we are back at $18 billion. he's been told he now understands he doesn't need all that mile, that it's 700 miles we're talking about. i think the grand bill includes language on -- >> there's no bill. >> the only bill out there is this durbin bill right now. >> there's no bill. >> now, matt, here's your problem, like jim jordan advances let's keep our promises, that's why we got elected. >> i don't think it's a hedge. we're going to build a wall. >> now i'm informed and i've learned about things called maps and mountains and rivers. >> come on. you're hanging your hat on this idea there's some complication to building a wall. >> it's a possibility. when you build a wall across a river you know what it's call

been frustrated with john kelly. that certainly suggests to me there is tension there. >> katie: to be fair too, presidents do campaign outside of trump everyone campaigns on a certain set of issues and when you get seated at the oval office desk, sometimes your views change on that. >> maria: that's okay. >> katie: best personal you can ask as former dhs secretary to brief him. >> maria: you knew the president would react to those words. you could count the minutes down. you knew. >> sandra: we saw them travel not guilty motorcade together. they were traveling together today. >> harris: it's not a divorce. it's just kind of going forward. of the president could own this. >> maria: it's a language issue. >> harris: i'm not the at this point wall politician. of course i'm going to evolve. own that too. >> difference is often you see these disagreements take place behind the scenes. with this administration increasingly we see the disputes in public. >> sandra: stinging reaction to jeff flake each bashing president tru

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tell us more about this extraordinary remark by john kelly. >> reporter: that's right. a source in the room confirmed to my colleague, jim acosta while the president trump's chief of staff was meeting with hispanic lawmakers on capitol hill today he told them he believes some of trump's campaign promises were, quote, uninformed and a congressman later confirmed that remark to you. when he was on the campaign trail president trump promised to not only build a wall but to make mexico pay for it. since he's been in office this last year he's realized/'s easier to chant that at a rally than enact it in office. the other thing a t president is struggling with is daca. he rescinded the program in the fall and tasked congress for coming up with a solution for those 700,000 or so d.r.e.a.m.ers that are affected by the problem but it doesn't seem like there's a solution in sight for congress on daca. with time running out, president trump paid a visit to capitol hill today. to honor former senate gop leader, bob doyle. >> you are a patriot wick a hero, a leader and today you hav

john kelly was no doubt very, very proud of his protege today. she also tried to lie about what was said in that room last week in the oval office. she tried to assign the kind of ugly profanity the president used about all the on counts africa to everyone in the oval office that day. >> you said on fox news that the president used strong language. what was that strong language? >> let's see. strong language there was -- apologies. i don't remember specific word. what i was struck with frankly, as i'm sure you were as well was just the general profanity that was used in the room by almost everyone. >> did you hear me use profanity? >> no, sir. neither did i. >> did senator graham use profanity? >> i did hear tough language from senator graham, yes, sir. >> what did he say? >> he used tough language. he was impassioned. i think he was feeling very strongly about the issue, as was everyone in the room. and to underscore a point, i think he was using some strong language. >> do you all there the strong language he used repeated exactly what the pres

mÁs tarde, elogiÓ a john kelly. " no dijo eso, no lo dijo en que la manera que ustedes querÍan que lo dijera". congresistas que asistieron a la reuniÓn afirman que john kelly lo dijo varias veces y que donald trump lo dejÓ sin credibilidad. >> lo dejÓ en una posición terrible. le llamÓ mentiroso, no en esas palabras, pero lo insinÚa. le quitÓ la credibilidad. cÓmo se puede presentar como un agente del presidente, representando al presidente, a una junta con mÁs de 30 personas, miembros del congreso y del senado, y dar informaciÓn? cÓmo va a poder negociar con alguien, si no tiene el respaldo del presidente? >> Él cambia de opiniÓn cada dÍa. insistiendo nuevamente en con que mÉxico va a pagar. mÉxico dijo que eso no iba a ocurrir. el muro tiene que ser parte de lo que se demanda. hemos visto que es casi imposible construir la imagen que Él tiene de un muro. fernando: se afirma que no hay contradicciÓn. >> cuando el presidente dice que va a construir su muro, la gente inmediatamente asume que se estÁ hablando de un muro de ladrillo de costa a costa. no es el caso. el

chief of staff general john kelly. this question of the did the president really mean that was trump running on a little bit of a bogus promise to make himself different and pump people up? everyone said no. listen to what john kelly said today. >> he's a very definitely changed his attitude towards the daca issue. and even the wall. he has evolved in the way he looks at things. campaign to governing are two different things. this president is flexible in terms of what's within realm of the possible. >> what is all this $18 billion for a new wall all the way down? that's not what the border people are asking for. who patrol and secure it. is kelly right? has he evolved and so should everybody else on your side. >> i quibble with the words. i think that when somebody who hasn't had any federal government experience gets into the federal government, there's no question you're taking your crash course. but let me ask you the question back, if he's a quote on quote evolved on the wall sdp the questions, why are democrats a

but what john kelly does do is control information and people that get to see the president. and the president was largely on his own this weekend. and when i've spoken to people inside the white house they're saying right now i don't have access to the president. so if he wants to call me and have me step in here, he's welcome to, but john kelly's running the show. >> that's right, stephanie, there are a few different variations of the story and there are certainly some who believe that steven miller and john kelly are in the words of one source i spoke to kindred spirits on the issue of immigration. steven miller we know former senate aide he was an individual who has single mindedly determined to scuttle bipartisan deals like the gang of eight. he's a hard liner and president trump is conflicted between that instinct that he represents that helped him win the republican nomination, eventually win the presidency on that platform and his desire to cut a deal. we have to remember there's a lot of talk about president trump getting swayed by john kelly or getting, you know, ma

john kelly is really driving the ship so to speak. i can tell you that white house aides have worked hard over the last few months to steer the president away from at least publicly saying mexico is going to pay for the wall. they didn't want him to mention it. and if he did senior aides wanted him to talk in those terms that the nafta reorganization will create money for the u.s. federal government to pay for the wall. ask congress for it first. renegotiate nafta and some of those benefits after the fact can be steered back into that program. reportedly as nafta negotiations are having a tough go at it. >> it's not going smoothly. i don't think anyone expected that it would. this is a heavy lift when you've got three countries and very complicated trade issues. it's not clear that they're going to get there and it is not clear what happens if they don't. president trump has threatened to just remove the united states from nafta. i have been on the hill talking to folks, lawmakers and aides on the republican side. they are not so sure

john kelly is not a political figure. he was dhs secretary and doesn't understand ins and outs of congress maybe as much as some folks. just the minutia of congress. i think john kelly has been a moderating voice of some sense. he put rigor and discipline on the staff. when it comes to many issues he -- >> do you have reporting on why senators purdue and cotton decided to change their tune on what they heard in terms of the language in that meeting? >> i would indicate that they told white house officials that they heard expletive house instead of expletive hole. lindsey graham said his memory had not evolved. senator durbin hasn't changed his tune. senators purdue and cotton said at first i can't recall what happened and then both decided they could recall. in our reporting they told white house officials that they heard called them a house instid of a hole. >> that is really important to know, not the distinction so much as what their thinking was and what gives them cover to say those were not the comments that we hear

john kelly was holding an immigration briefing with reporters in his office. the president comes down the hallway, starts taking questions and steals the show from john kelly. and then after that briefing he did what one source described as putting john kelly in a box, because he feels like kelly is undermining him more and more every day. that is significant because it shows the tensions between these two men and how they're starting to flare up between this very freewheeling president, very structured chief of staff and we're seeing the tension between the two of them come to the head and one source said the president dropping in on that briefing was a warning shot to kelly to show him that trump is still the boss here, he's still the one in charge, because he cannot stand when staffers get credit for his accomplishments or seem like they're managing him. that's the narrative that kelly is managing trump here. >> he also wanted -- one thing that stood out to me so much from your reporting is this feeling that your sources say the president has that kelly is

and john kelly. michael who is often on the show. says the president he always has the power of firing at the table. he doesn't like to fire people like his character that he played on the apprentice. he has trouble with that. >> he likes other people to do it. he likes to keep people uncomfortable. i think john kelly kind of knows he's twisting a few months ago it was jeff sessions. he was goij to be out any day. there had been rumors about mcmaster. they keep hanging on somehow. >> is it it's my way or the highway so you better learn? >> that's part of it. some do learn. kelly started bolder and pulled himself in. immigration, john kelly and stephen miller have the same point of view on immigration. they are hard liners in the white house. they are -- they're actually acting out of their own entrets. i think the president he's a hard liner as well. when he gets in this with chuck or nancy. or lindsey graham. he wants people to like them. he likes the idea on a level of helping the daca kids. he gets back and talks to hem and rememb

john kelly and he's doing a good job. also saying the president has been saying over the last few years, the same message about the wall. that it would come in pieces, that payment for it, we all heard it during the campaign and since, that it would be paid for by mexico but in various ways. so the president here taking questions from those reporters traveling with him saying he's not sure what will happen with the potential government shutdown. he is scheduled to travel to florida tomorrow. asked if he would change those plans, you got a normal trump answer. we'll see. he also made reference here to a candidate for a special election seat, a republican state lawmaker who is running in the 18th district here for an open seat. there is questions was there really a campaign stop or white house official business. the white house has said it was official business, we saw the president thread some politics throughout his remarks. ali. >> kelly o'donnell at the event. thank you so much. >>> let's go to capitol hill where congre

>> i don't think john kelly is irrational. i don't think he's ever closed a deal before politically. >> senator graham also says the president needs to be a better partner if washington has any hope of pushing past the confusion the president himself has created and actually getting a daca deal, a deal to protect the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. last night the senate majority mitch mcconnell says, until and if the president makes up his mind, butkus. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports and he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. as soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels. >> the deadpan are remarkable from mcconnell. >> what is the president for? >> the senate majority leader is clearly confounded, making no attempt to feign his shock about where he finds himself in 2018. >> two days away from one year in office, and the leader of the republicans and the senate says, you know, it's hard to govern when you have no idea what th

also, i heard john kelly when we asked president trump about mueller and whether he would be willing to testify and president trump said that he would love to, i heard a sigh from mueller, -- or from john kelly standing next to me. he was really trying to keep a straight face and not show any emotion. but this happens time and time again where kelly has been brought in. he really tries to organize the way that the president gets information and come up with a systematic way for him to make decisions but the president undermines that day after day after day. >> sahil, did you find it curious or notable that john kelly, chief of staff to the president, stayed behind on this trip? >> well, there is certainly a resistance among the president to being managed. i'm not sure that necessarily had to do with this. there were some indications he might not have gone either way. the president's resistance to being managed overshadows any imperatives of his that messes up policy plans, messes up negotiations with the hill. about the immigration rollout. >> the rollout plan for monday. he clearly

. >> i like john kelly a lot. he was my military aid for two years when i was secretary at the defense department. and the best thing to know about john kelly is he is first and foremost a marine. he's dedicated his life to public service, committed to whoever is commander-in-chief. and he's somebody who believes deeply in discipline and a strong chain of command and a processes for decision-making. and doesn't tolerate chaos very easily. so i think he's the right guy to be able to try to get the white house back in order. i think the real question is going to be whether or not the president gives him the room to make the changes that are going to be necessary in order to improve the operations of the white house. maria: what would you advise him to do at this point? because that's really what i was about to say. this is a different president. this is a different approach. president trump goes directly to the american people with his treating. he's sometimes saying things that perhaps, you know, are not scripted.

tweet this morning from the resident, who wrote thank you general john kelly doing fantastic job for a job well one, long hours and fake reporting make your job more difficult, always great to win won more -- few have than us.

and now he refuses to admit any error, even thoef general john kelly was trying to do him a favor. he was trying to make trump's mind-set go into the realm of the reasonable and trump winds up undercutting him just minutes ago. >> and one more layer which is chaos. governance by chaos here. it is impossible to predict where we're going to land on this government shutdown. as it pertains to the wall, which is your question. if we get to this as part of an overall daca settlement, i think the president is looking for victory. he wants to say that he won on this issue. i don't think there is any question about that. he will define what the wall is, what security is consistent with the mandate that he believes he has. so he will take all comers, democrats, his own chief of staff, whatever he has to do to say this is what i always meant and this is what a wall has to look like. but it's got to be there. and i still think we're moving toward some finesse play here on border security that the president could live with short of the wall that he campaign said on that could be part of a deal

. >>> axios, providing the day's kicker in a piece titled, quote, john kelly risks a steve bannon moment. writing, quote, kelly is likely in for an awful day with the

they were allies in some ways and he said i would prefer for john kelly to have more control than rex tillerson or other secretaries. john kelly and stephen miller are both pushing the president to hold firm and make a tougher deal and really try to get -- get parts of a deal that are tough on immigration but the president himself is more flexible. >> josh dawsey, thank you so much for joining us. you probably published three stories while you were on tv with us. >> thanks for having me. >>> thousands of federal employees will not be going to work this morning. the government shutdown has not closed every federal program and agency after first announcing it was not sure how long it would stay open. the smithsonian found a way to stay open using prior year funds. joining me now the national museum, renee marsh. what are you hearing. >> reporter: this could be very confusing for people who are visiting as far as what's open and what's not open and the bottom line is the shutdown in 2018 looks a whole lot different than 2013. some agencies, the smithsonian and other government agencies h

some of that is donald trump but a lot of that is john kelly. donald trump is not the first president to come along thinking full of u bris thinking he had all of the answers, thinking he was the smartest guy in the room. most presidents get over there. most presidents learn something about governing. donald trump hasn't learned anything in the first year about governing and unfortunately, john kelly doesn't seem to have learned much either. >> i was speaking with paul, part of the clinton administration, obviously no fan of the current administration, but he called this the kelly shut down. lindsey graham earlier this week told dana bash, i don't think general kelly is irrational, i don't think he ever closed a deal before. what is the chief of staff in this situation when it comes to a government shut down? >> kelly famously said on day one i was not put on this earth to manage donald . >> but the reality is the easy part is making the trains run on time. the hard part is walking into the oval office, closing the door and telling the president

. >> what is that, is that john kelly? is he whacking john kelly? is that john kelly covering up for saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. >> i don't think he liked his chief of staff saying he had been uninformed during issues of immigration during the campaign and it was unrealistic to think that there would be one wall across the entire southern border and unrealistic to think that mexico would pay for it which were two central promises of the trump campaign. >> heidi, this is not a surprise. the general went on capitol hill when he was testifying, trying to become secretary of homeland security and said the same thing, that a wall would not work. >> and even some of the biggest hardliners in congress and many congressional hearings predating the trump presidency said the exact same thing. that there are natural barriers. and that in terms of securing the border, you would want increased surveillance, increased patrols. but not necessarily a physical wall. but it was a good campaign talking point. when somebody ticked them off like you

trump's chief of staff, john kelly apparently told lawmakers yesterday that trump didn't really know what he was talking about. >> as the u.s. government careens toward a possible government shutdown, the president's chief of staff makes a startling admission. a congressman in the room