fear that turkey will attack from turkey's point of view the statements have been indicated that turkey was quite unnerved for some years that the kurds in northern syria have been gaining more and more international sports they view those as a threat.po has that affected turkey's calculations in terms of its peace process with the group or were there other domestic considerations as well. >> absolutely, yes. i think the whole hour of string comes at a very unfortunate time. they had really losses peace process. use the occurred gaining ground and as of 2014, the united states i it really freaked out the turkish government. i think this is a typical reaction, a knee-jerk reaction for such a state whenever they see kurds gaining influence, certainly across the borders and particularly with the help of the last the goal is to suppress that. [inaudible] there is a demand made by turkey but it's in possible for them to accept, including throwing its full support for regime change, in support of regime change alongside the rebels. however becoming the y pg and therefore the entire sod for sp

>> i think a large section of turkey society is the main driver of turkey's incursion. the referendum is vulnerability and he wants to boost his popularity. he wanted to tap in the strong anti-kurdish and anti-american sentiment in the country. the opposition for the kurdish hdp is behind and supports the operation. i'm not sure what they accomplish but i believe it's 80% according to public opinion polls 80% of turkish society supports the operation. so i think the main driver was policies. the anti-kurdish and anti-american sentiments are very important and they feed each other. we can talk about in detail the new dynamics in terms of turkey and the kurdish sentiment. we want to tap into those and basically boost his popularity. it's as much against the as a big is against the u.s. and the government's narrative so that proclaimed aim was to break the corporation between the u.s. and the ypj and to say it had nothing to do with the ypj. we are there to disrupt this relationship between the u.s. and the ypj. that makes the situation very complicated and i'm sure we wil

relations with turkey of course a key nato ally turkey launched an offensive to secure its border and clear a friend of the y p g the kurdish fighters it considers to be terrorists ankara says the group's an offshoot of the p.k. k. the kurdistan workers party with which turkey has been in conflict for three decades russia controls the airspace over threaten but ahead of the turkish operation it withdrew hundreds of its soldiers from near the city kurdish fighters held after in six years ago after the syrian president bashar al assad's soldiers left northern syria let's go to our guests now joining us from istanbul messmate the yangon and affiliates of the political science department at the university of bill kent in berlin sell a muslim member of the diplomatic committee of tev demme the movement for a democratic society that's an alliance bringing kurds together in northern syria and joining us from moderate so in italy on skype is joshua landis director of the center for middle east studies at the university of oklahoma welcome to you all joshua coming to you first who's going to e

how dependent is germany on turkey? there are hoststages there. turkey is a a nato power. and the refugee problem. bulent: that is right. the poll that was published last week shows the fear in this country is getting bigger about .he refugees and that helps anything happening in the country changes or influences what is going on and in germany too. peter: thank you to all three of you for being here. we have been talking -- we have been discussing "deniz yucel: what game is turkey playing?" i hope we have giving you plenty of food for thought. come again next week. bye-bye. ♪ announcer: opportunity. prpeperity. timimism. nation suffering increasiningy from the effects of extreme weather. what arere local people doing o cope? bolivia is estimated to own hope to the desperately poor nation? but first we go to italy, , whe human traffickers are forcing more and more women ininto prostitution.

between turkey and nato and united states as much as turkey is this. from us the position of russia is getting more so truong saw i think that russia in syria is not only. allowing could serve return to at the same time it creates problems between turkey and nato and the united states all right i've made and just wondering what turkey's response is going to be we had the prime minister saying that y.p. g. forces will pay twice as much i'm just wondering what it is that turkey will do in response and how the kurds feel considering that they basically lost an ally in russia have they. well first of all i have to say this about the day after the game you know everybody was speaking about after the dash defeat what was going to happen and now it is the moment of the truth everybody speaking about his own political interest with or the superpowers like the united states they're going to reword the y.p. for their efforts in the in the fight against and now it's really the russians who are interested in their military base in me me me in the south in lattakia

on germany turkey is perhaps on nato membership how dependent is germany on turkey. there are hostages that is a big nato partner and of course the refugee problem and the refugee refugee problem is number one here is turkey's proposed population here in germany and as you know that's right but the poll that had been published by b. of last week it shows that they had the horror of the fear in this country is getting bigger and bigger about the refugees and that helps if the in this country so anything happen in the country change or what's grilli going to in the german you to. thank you very much for those thoughts thank you all for him for being here we've been discussing turkey dinners you jelly's free walk again is turkey playing was the question rest i will give you we've given you plenty of food for thought come back next week five by interest. oh oh . cards lawyer. car culture. hair. superman. superfood. dialogue car and. every journey begins with the first step and every language with the first word published in the. eco is in germany to learn german why not

relations with turkey of course a key nato ally turkey launched an offensive to secure its border and clear a friend of the y.p. g. the kurdish fighters it considers to be terrorists ankara says the group's an offshoot of the p.k. k. the kurdistan workers party with which turkey has been in conflict for three decades russia controls the airspace over threaten but the head of the turkish operation it withdrew hundreds of its soldiers from near the city kurdish fighters held after in six years ago after the syrian president bashar al assad soldiers left northern syria. let's go to our guests now joining us from istanbul mohammed yangon and affiliates of the political science department at the university of bill kent in bilin sell a muslim member of the diplomatic committee of tev demme the movement for democratic society that's an alliance bringing kurds together in northern syria and joining us from a so and it's me on skype is joshua landis director of the center for middle east studies at the university of oklahoma welcome to you all joshua coming to you first who is going to end up

given that this corn between turkey -- the discord between turkey, saying any american cooperation to the ypg amounts to cooperation with the pkk, and the united states insisting it is different enough that they can continue to work with the ypg and tell turkey it will aid turkey's fight against the pkk. this is a complex picture and puts the conundrum all over the place. i was hoping you might be able to walk us through. >> that is a great question, and everything you said can exist and be true and at the same time be somewhat nuanced simultaneously. and given at the ypg all the different acronyms what we can say is the dominant kurdish organization in syria right now. clearly, and this is something if you go back to the pkk's own literature, it was formed as a subsidiary of the pkk. the idea was the pkk was no longer going to be the vanguard of the movement, but each part of the region would have its own party that would operate to bring kurds democracy, autonomy, and gender freedom and of things , but they were part of the pkk nonetheless. what is an important distinction and what

tens of thousands of kurds have died inside turkey and this so-called cleansing inside syria turkey is in fact committing aggression against a sovereign state the syrian state which has ops objected on the challis to that and to the of turkish troops so there are a dime if you cation sharon that is the other point i wanted to raise is that there is some genuine friction between turkey and the united states since the coup attempt law right here which seems to have. you had support to overthrow john ging age go ahead in assemble jump in yet. yeah actually you know it's in turkey you know something like forty years we have kurdish problems but this is not really really kurdish problem is tricky. was against not the kurdish people until these people live you know in a very good standards according to if you compare with other countries such as syria iraq and iran but the. p.k. for guerrillas you know or terrorist groups turkish. one of to be problems and they. they are the main cause to kill kurdish people even this take this is a kurdish they claim that this kurdish independence group the

is really focused on turkey for them turkey is the place where they come from and turkey is the place where they have to follow. the syrian currents and that's the sad story in a way for a long time they always fought for the rights of courts and other countries for example many current followed the iraqi kurds when they fought their fights against saddam hussein and even before and then many kurds in the one thousand nine hundred syrian kurds joined the. kurds in turkey and there was never actually before the syrian civil war started kurdish syrian insurgent group or something like this something like this simply didn't didn't exist and i think it's high time that the syrian kurds really focus on what they want to achieve in syria not so much to focus on what is happening in syria and what's happening in iraq the kurds let's say the political parties in iraq and in turkey don't do that in the end they're not really interested in what is happening to the syrian currents this this is sort of like that for a long time for example when he used to be in syria he used to be there for a lon

mistreatment of kurdish citizens in turkey systematic mistreatment of kurdish citizens in turkey are out of touch with reality and that's a reason to put the new prison the petition says as the vice chair of arc parity in human rights in charge of your lights i'll tell you this i'm a living example of how human rights has excelled during the time of x. party living example and woman like me would not be able to get elected and serve in the parliament when i say like me i'm saying a woman who chooses to wear the one star it's going to say or turn toward the kurdish one of the side if there are that there's another predicting. the other side we demand the government to prepare the conditions for their goods relations to create. that would lead to a lasting peace is demanding peace terrorists are interested when this at this point titian incident let me talk about that time in two thousand and fifteen when president are grant took a very very important step and started the peace process in turkey p k k i'm old enough to remember how it emerged and i remember as a child i'm ok i don't wa

they want to profit for their site in turkey -- their side in turkey. we hahave a short report on the role syrian kurdish fighters played in the role against islamic state. >> for m months now, kurdrdish fighters have been defending a syrian border town against possible attacks by islamic state forces. in early 2015, the kurds, backed by western airstrikes, managed to end and i.s. siege of the town. kurdish fighters finally town in 2015. duringng the occupation, islamic state fighters massacred several thousand civilians. in october 2017, a syrian-based alliance led by kurdish fighters captured the capapital of ththe islamicc state since 2014. the islamic state caliphate has now collapsed, but turkish forces have launched a campaign against kurdish fighters in northern syria. have the kurds been betrayed by the west? your opening statement said in essence you do think they have been betrayed or at least led on by the u.s. coalition. would you say that the u.s. and its allies willfully turned a blind eye to o the claims and interests of the kurds in thei

relations with turkey of course a key nato ally turkey launched an offensive to secure its border and clear a friend of the y p g the kurdish fighters it considers to be terrorists ankara says the group's an offshoot of the p.k. k. the kurdistan workers party with which turkey has been in conflict for three decades russia controls the airspace over threaten but ahead of the turkish operation it withdrew hundreds of its soldiers from near the city kurdish fighters held after in six years ago after the syrian president bashar al assad soldiers left northern syria. let's go to our guests now joining us from istanbul met him at the yangon and affiliates of the political science department at the university of bill kent in butlins on a muslim member of the diplomatic committee of tev demme the movement for democratic society that's an alliance bringing kurds together in northern syria and joining us from moderates so in it's me on skype is joshua landis director of the center for middle east studies at the university of oklahoma welcome to you all joshua coming to you first who is going to

between turkey and nato and united states as much as turkey is this. from us the position of russia is getting more so thronged saw i think that russia in syria is not only. allowing could serve return to at the same time it creates problems between turkey and nato and the united states all right i've made and just wondering what turkey's response is going to be we had the prime minister saying that y.p. g. forces will pay twice as much i'm just wondering what it is that turkey will do in response and how the kurds feel considering that they basically lost an ally in russia have they. well first of all i have to say this about the day after the game everybody was speaking about after the dash defeat what was going to happen and now it is the moment of the truth everybody speaking about his own political interest with or the superpowers like the united states they're going to reword the y.p. for their efforts in the in the fight against and now it's really the russians who are interested in their military base in the me me me in the south in lattakia an

turkey. as a number of turkish soldiers are increasingly killed along with the concerns over the civilian plight but they could be a growing opposition to this operation and that is seen as one of the reasons why they're going to crack down on any forces of dissent i think seven hundred arrests of people putting postings on social media opposing this operation that crackdown is expected to continue. the jury we've also been hearing reports of turkish guards at the border with syria indiscriminately shooting at people trying to flee across the border into turkey has denied this can you tell us any more about this story. but it's very difficult to verify these reports of being very quick to say that this is propaganda this is out of the question they get their super bowl the forces do behave in a humane way following international law but it has to be said that international human rights groups last year did publish a report making similar allegations against the turkish border security forces

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relations with turkey of course a key nato ally turkey launched an offensive to secure its border and clear a friend of the y p g the kurdish fighters it considers to be terrorists ankara says the group's an offshoot of the p.k. k. the kurdistan workers party with which turkey has been in conflict for three decades russia controls the airspace over threaten but ahead of the turkish operation it withdrew hundreds of its soldiers from near the city kurdish fighters held after in six years ago after the syrian president bashar al assad soldiers left northern syria. let's go to our guests now joining us from istanbul mohammad yangon and affiliates of the political science department at the university of bill kent in bilin sell a muslim member of the diplomatic committee of tev demme the movement for democratic society that's an alliance bringing kurds together in northern syria and joining us from moderates so in it's me on skype is joshua landis director of the center for middle east studies at the university of oklahoma welcome to you all joshua coming to you first who's going to end up

between turkey and nato and united states as much as turkey is this. from us the position of russia is getting more so truong saw i think that russia in syria is not only. allowing could serve return to at the same time it creates problems between turkey and nato and the united states all right i've made and just wondering what turkey's response is going to be we had the prime minister saying that y.p. g. forces will pay twice as much i'm just wondering what it is that turkey will do when response and how the kurds feel considering that they basically lost an ally in russia have they. well first of all i have to say this about the day after the day everybody was speaking about after the dash defeat what was going to happen and now it is the moment of the truth everybody speaking about his own political interest with or the superpowers like the united states they're going to reword the y.p. for their efforts in the in the fight against and now it's really the russians who are interested in their military base in me me me in the south in lattakia and oth

on germany turkey is perhaps on nato membership how dependent is germany on turkey. there are hostages that turkey's a big nato partner and of course the refugee problem and the british you share a refugee problem is number one here is turkish population here in germany and as you are that's right but the poll that had been published by b. of last week it shows that they had the whole of the fear in this country is getting bigger and bigger about the refugees and that helps if the in this country so anything can happen in the country trains or what's going to in the german you tube ok thank you very much for those thoughts thank you all for in for being yeah we've been discussing turkey dinners you jelly's free what again is turkey playing was the question if you knew we've given you plenty of food for thought come back next week bye bye interest. this is full of sensory overload delis has just about everything. seems to have a. place people scurries. and smugness to pass an aging story. to. the old lady of the fifteenth. lying dormant shell like the biggest favorite

is really focused on turkey for them turkey is the place where they come from and turkey is the place where they do have to follow. the syrian currents and that's the sad story in a way. for a long time they always fought for the rights of courts and other countries for example many current some of. the iraqi kurds when they fought their fights against saddam hussein and even before and then many kurds in the one thousand nine hundred syrian kurds joined the p.k. k. and fought for the courts in turkey and there was never actually before the syrian civil war started kurdish syrian insurgent group or something like this something like this simply didn't didn't exist and i think it's high time that the syrian kurds really focus on what they want to achieve in syria and not so much to focus on what is happening in syria and what's happening in iraq the kurds let's say the political parties in iraq and in turkey don't do that in the end they're not really interested in what is happening to the syrian currents this is a sort of like that for a long time for example when he used to be in syr

turkey is as a state it has no problem with it kurdish citizens in turkey believe peacefully and more democratically down in syria iraq and iran if we come to syria and the sheer issue in the beginning turkey would united states and european allies in order to support you know of freedom against bashar. regime but after a after two thousand and. thirteen ok. you know let me jump in got left your kid ok let me jump in here go to dan before we go to the break here i mean but at the same time you know outside powers that's why it's a proxy civil war because this is from the outside ok i mean bringing democracy to syria is the last thing this is all been about ok it's been arming jihad is to overthrow a legitimate government that it had before we go to the break yeah i mean i agree i agree with what you say and i just wanted to comment on what sami was saying there is friction between between the u.s. and turkey and i would say that predates the coup attempt actually in fact really it goes back to the downing of the russian plane i would read that scene obviously correctly as a low point

they want to profit for their site in turkey -- their side in turkey. we have a short report on the role syrian kurdish fighters played in the role against islamic state. >> for months now, kurdish fighters have been defending a syrian border town against possible attacks by islamic state forces. in early 2015, the kurds, backed by western airstrikes, managed to end and i.s. siege of the town. kurdish fighters finally town in 2015. during the occupation, islamic state fighters massacred several thousand civilians. in october 2017, a syrian-based alliance led by kurdish fighters captured the capital of the islamic state since 2014. the islamic state caliphate has now collapsed, but turkish forces have launched a campaign against kurdish fighters in northern syria. have the kurds been betrayed by the west? your opening statement said in essence you do think they have been betrayed or at least led on by the u.s. coalition. would you say that the u.s. and its allies willfully turned a blind eye to the claims and interests of the kurds in their eagerness to

and turkey and syria is on the. syrian side but there is a syrian the hooghly forces are surrounding our friend backed of course by russia and iran no i think there's no cooperation between the mosque in pure id the successful operation of two. army. me there for the big i'm just sort of syria what do you think that will happen if turkish troops kill one of donald trump soldiers in northern syria yeah. of course cries about. area is ending and united states claim form to roll up the muscle or off the rope has clashed the rising groks off the eurasia attempt at night the. full didn't like the contras in the region is hampering. the continuation and growth of your asia but i'm kind of think so finally you are happy though with britain's position dres amaze foreign secretary saying that turkey has the right to protect its borders is britain definitely not supporting washington or moscow defacto enough for him yet it's of course a good because. you can see that it america is now alone in the world. they have not bought

turkey is as a state it has no problem with kurdish citizens in turkey they live peacefully and more democratically down in syria iraq and iran if we come to see the initiate issue in the beginning turkey would united states and reach european allies in order to support you know freedom against bashar assad regime but after after two thousand and. thirteen ok. you know the major left turkey ok let me let me jump in you're going to be in before we go to the break here i mean but it is same time you know outside powers twice a proxy civil war because this is from the outside ok i mean. bringing democracy to syria is the last thing this is all been about ok it's been arming jihad is to overthrow a legitimate government that it had done before we go to the break yeah i mean i agree i agree with what you say and i just wanted to comment on what sammy was saying there is friction between between the u.s. and turkey and i would say that predates the coup attempt actually in fact really it goes back to the downing of the russian plane i would read that it was seen obviously correctly as a lo

might get in return they think a deal for a tank factory may be turkey's price. seeking speedy approval from germany turkish prime minister have been ali yielder him is hoping the two countries might soon cooperate on building tanks in turkey a deal potentially worth billions. so in january german foreign minister sic mark gabriele signaled berlin would ok a proposal to retrofit tanks with new anti mines systems but that plan was put on ice after turkey invaded syria's afridi region with german built leopard tanks gabriele rejected speculation the deal for a tank factory would be approved critics fear there may be a secret deal to approve the factory in exchange for the recent release of the german journalist denise you joe also minister the foreign minister would never admit it but in my view it's perfectly clear there's a connection there if you look at the whole story i assume there's a direct link to balances among exist yet the german foreign ministry has denied those claims it says the country's acting government doesn't have the mandate to make such a deal

g s the p k k is really focused on turkey for them turkey is the place where they come from and turkey is the place where they do have to follow. the syrian currents and that's that's a sad story in a way for a long time they always fought for the rights of courts and other countries for example many current some follow the iraqi kurds when they fought their fights against saddam hussein and even before and then many kurds in the one thousand nine hundred syrian kurds joined the p.k. k. and fought for the kurds in turkey and there was never actually before the syrian civil war started kurdish syrian insurgent group or something like this something like this simply didn't didn't exist and i think it's high time that the syrian kurds really focus on what they want to achieve in syria and not so much to focus on what is happening in syria and what's happening in iraq the kurds are the political parties in iraq and in turkey don't do that in the end they are not really interested in what is happening to the syrian currents this is a sort of like that for a long time for example when he use

care about that lot is going on in turkey. they will increase their war there is going to be less so much more if it g.'s inserts here and also turkish people will become refugees soon. people who are in neutral need to act against these. latifa mustapha heiko me and beyond us are exiles from a country where democracy is dying. again in a. was. in. the. smooth. oh. you're max heights. love the last place. because we can never get enough last. lifestyle. the highlights the odds cut double. play the games. the scars. the pain still tangible. suffering for good. for city edge but. they have survived do they also have a future. i really understand people who say they do want to stay here. but i also admire people who want to stay here and who decided to create something . new beginning in peace time who are the people making it possible what needs to happen if tolerance and reconciliation are to stand a chance to get. out of darkness cities after war. starting march tenth on d w. the audience pledge again. this is deja news line f

turkey is a state it has no problem with kurdish citizens in turkey they live peacefully and more democratically down in syria iraq and iran if we come to syria initiate issue in the beginning turkey would united states and european allies in order to support you know freedom against by shouting assad regime but after after two thousand and . thirteen ok. left turkey ok let me jump in you go to the end before we go to the break here i mean but it is same time you know outside powers that's why it's a proxy civil war because this is from the outside ok i mean bringing democracy to syria is the last thing this is all been about ok it's been arming jihad is to overthrow a legitimate government ok go ahead dan before we go to the break. with what you say and i just want to comment on what sami was saying there is friction between between the u.s. and turkey and i don't say that predates the coup attempt actually in fact really it goes back to the downing of the russian plane i would read that scene obviously correctly as a low point in russian turkey's relations but i see that really isn't. last dan

then turkey also briefed all nato allies turkey has some legitimate because security concerns have suffered more toes attacks than any other nato ally but they have to respond in a proportionate and measured way. you are so mentioned you are strong concern about north korea and the threat of nuclear confrontation and you called for maximum pressure to be put on north korea including by european countries the fact is north korea is really only interested in the united states what more can be done what is that maximum pressure you called for. we need stronger economic sanctions and the united states is member of the security council. all the nato allies and the russia and china and we need them to agree on the. effect of economic sanctions and i welcome the fact that the u.n. security council actually agreed to increase the economic sanctions and also the fact that we see that the sanctions are now to a large extent implemented which means most of the sanctions. have an impact on north korea all the alternative to a maximum pressure with political means diplomatic means on economic sanctions

turkey is a state it has no problem with it kurdish citizens in turkey live peacefully and more democratically down in syria iraq and iran if we come to syria initiate issue in the beginning turkey would united states and european allies in order to support freedom against bashar assad regime but after after two thousand and. thirteen ok. left turkey ok let me jump in here go to the end before we go to the break here i mean but it is same time you know outside powers twice a proxy civil war because this is from the outside ok i mean bringing democracy to syria is the last thing this is all been about ok it's been arming jihad is to overthrow a legitimate government that is a go ahead deanne before we go to the break. i agree with what you say and i just want to comment on what sami was saying there is friction between between the u.s. and turkey and i don't say that predates the coup attempt actually in fact really it goes back to the downing of the russian plane i would read that scene obviously correctly as a low point in russian turkey's relations but i see that really as a last dance so le

turkey is as a state. no problem with kurdish citizens in turkey to live peacefully and more democratically down in syria iraq and iran if we come to lucy the initiate issue in the beginning turkey would united states and meet european allies in order to support you know freedom against bashar assad regime but after after two thousand and. thirteen ok. you know let me jump in got left your kid ok let me jump in here go to dan before we go to the break here i mean but at the same time you know you know outside powers that's why it's a proxy civil war because this is from the outside ok i mean bringing democracy to syria is the last thing this is all been about ok it's been arming jihad is to overthrow a legitimate government that it had done before we go to the break yeah i mean i agree i agree with what you say and i just wanted to comment on what sami was saying there is friction between between the u.s. and turkey and i don't say that predates the coup attempt actually in fact really it goes back to the

how dependent is germany on turkey? there are hoststages there. turkey is a a nato power. and the refugee problem. bulent: that is right. the poll that was published last week shows the fear in this country is getting bigger about .he refugees and that helps anything happening in the country changes or influences what is going on and in germany too. peter: thank you to all three of you for being here. we have been talking -- we have been discussing "deniz yucel: what game is turkey playing?" i hope we have giving you plenty of food for thought. come again next week. bye-bye. ♪ >> hello, and welcome to "focus on europe." i'm michelle henery. good to have you with us. one of the biggest challenges europe has faced in recent years is the refugee crisis. since 201515, more than a milln refugeeses have settled d hern geany. e debatever how integte the new arrivals is one of the key sticking points in forming a new german government more than 4 months after the election. integrating people from foreign countries who don't share a cocommon hisistory, traditnsnsr even a language

in turkey. as a number of turkish soldiers are increasingly killed along with the concerns over the civilian plight but they could be a growing opposition to this operation and that is one of the reasons why they are going to crack down on any forces of dissent seven hundred arrests of people putting postings on social media opposing this operation that crackdown is expected to continue. jury and we've also been hearing reports of turkish guards at the border with syria indiscriminately shooting at people trying to flee across the border into turkey has this can you tell us any more about this story. but it's very difficult to verify these reports being very quick to say that this is propaganda this is out of the question they insist that their super bowl forces do behave in a humane way following international law but it has to be said the international human rights groups last year did publish a report making similar allegations against the turkish border security forces and undoubtedly this w

criticizing turkey we could get into trouble. it's not good. in the end example it's a dictatorship now. but everybody we went to turkey will probably be arrested. you . know. it's difficult for john to find supporters in germany most turkish reporters don't want to work with him in the beginning i was dreaming of i was thinking of that i mean there are two thousand three thousand to top his journeys into. and there would be no problem to find delta people to work with but no oil the standard is not that easy because it's dangerous for them when they they feel threatened by the government because of that and i can understand that but it is of course in the beginning it was a bit disappointing for me. in january twenty seventh team turkish journalist heikal baghdad moved to berlin to work with chen left his wife and children back in turkey. heiko has visited berlin often. so you will not done b.c. if you were me this was just another trip. i'll do some work here and then go back home she did that's what i plan to do religiously she rejects him i

voluntarily well i think of the concerns about his security and it has to be said turkey the turkey should justice minister reiterated the fact the turkey's put a one million dollars bounty on the head of salim was that they say for his return to turkey it's not clear whether that is dead or alive but took officials have put the very large amount of money on him they've done this. leading figures within the the kurdish rebel group the p.k. k. insight many of those have been killed in world war in return for that reward now and i think there will be a great deal of concern going forward about this now that it's only following through the legal process is the judicial process as it insists it has no intention of doing any founding thinking thousand muslim but there will be concerns going forward about this than the fact that is taking increasing hard line against the syrian kurdish militia inside turkey and do consider him a number one terrorist suspect but. of course by the dorian jones on the story for us tonight from istanbul story and as always thank you very much. still to come o

how dependent is germany on turkey? there are hoststages there. turkey is a a nato power. and the refugee problem. bulent: that is right. the poll that was published last week shows the fear in this country is getting bigger about .he refugees and that helps anything happening in the country changes or influences what is going on and in germany too. peter: thank you to all three of you for being here. we have been talking -- we have been discussing "deniz yucel: what game is turkey playing?" i hope we have giving you plenty of food for thought. come again next week. bye-bye. ♪ announcer: join "town hall los angeles" as we explore the timeliest issues facing our region withth top experts. ask your questions to those who shape southern california. we're l.a.'s s largest a m most establishshed plilic forum anand always remain nonpartisan. in our 80-year history, we've hosted over 5,000 speakers, from politics to technology to entertainment. visit our website to seeee our upcomoming speakers and join n as a member for exexclusive discounts and evenents. your c community, , y

as turkey prepared to lay siege in the coming days turkey has now confirmed reports that its military shelled the area immediately in response the turkish president saying that those fighters have now been pushed back the region is controlled by kurdish forces turkey considers them terrorists. and for more let's bring in middle east analyst marcus climb from the german institute for international and security affairs in berlin welcome to you marcus good to be here a direct face off between turkey and prover g m forces there in offering this could have major implications couldn't indeed do straights a couple of things shifting alliances i mean the kurds in syria been loyal to the regime but they we haven't seen major fighting between the kurds and regime forces for the time of the civil war and now we have a maybe not alliance but a temporary coalition between these two forces and we see the danger of they need to do that in the confrontation between the military all of turkey and the syrian forces turkey of course has huge military resources and says that it will not leave free and it

mistreatment of kurdish citizens in turkey systematic mistreatment of kurdish citizens in turkey are out of touch with reality and that's a reason to put them in prison the petition says as the vice chair of our party in human rights in charge of your lights i'll tell you this i'm a living example of how human rights has excelled during the time of x. party living example and woman like me would not be able to get elected and serve in the parliament when i say like me i'm saying a woman will call chooses to wear the one star it's going to say i turn toward the kurdish and it was really that way as and i put it to. the other side we demand the government to prepare the conditions for the good situations to create. that would lead to a lasting peace is demanding peace terrorists are in turkey when this at this peace titian incident let me talk about that time in two thousand and fifteen when president are granted a very very important step and started the peace process in turkey p k k i'm old enough to remember how it emerged and i remember as a child i'm ok i don't want to intermitten

between turkey and nato and united states as much as turkey is this. from us the position of russia is getting more so truong saw i think that russia in syria is not only. allowing could serve return to at the same time it creates problems between turkey and nato and the united states are right up made and just wondering what turkey's response is going to be we had the prime minister saying that y.p. g. forces will pay twice as much i'm just wondering what it is that turkey will do in response and how the kurds feel considering that they basically lost an ally in russia have they. well first of all i have to say this about the day after the day everybody was speaking about after the dash defeat what was going to happen and now it is the moment of the truth everybody speaking about his own political interest with or the superpowers like the united states they're going to reword the y.p. for their efforts in the in the fight against and now it's really the russians who are interested in their military base in me me me in the south in lattakia and other p

voluntarily well i think of the concerns about his security and it has to be said turkey that turkey should justice minister reiterated the fact the turkey's put a one million dollars bounty on the head of salim was that they say for his return to turkey it's not clear whether that is dead or alive but officials have put this very large amount of money on him they've done this. leading figures within the the kurdish rebel group the p.k. k. insite many of those have been killed in world war in return for that war now and i think there will be a great deal of concern going forward about this now that it's only following through the little legal process is the traditional approach is that it insists it has no intention of doing any founding thinking telling muslim but there will be concerns going forward about this than the fact that al gore is taking increasingly hard line against the syrian kurdish militia inside turkey and do consider him a number one terrorist. of course by the dorrian jones on the story for us tonight from istanbul story and as always thank you very much. still to

that they accuse turkey. to be the way they have to be interventionist and once again russia will be the key player how this conflict is going to their other or to be solved only russia and america did interventions fighting sides can come to a conclusion otherwise. i do not expect that. bashar assad regime would be able to present the same. words around things are. my guess the same by cheap professor of international relations rancorous middle east technical university many thanks. now both samples of a medal winning curler from russia have tested positive for the prohibited meltdown and that's according to russian olympic officials xander trishul it scares already stated that he's never used banned substances lipitor and reports from punching. with this official confirmation from the russian side we now understand for sure that both doping tests a and b. were positive and this is bad news for the o.a.r. team and for the entire country of course as well russian sports officials have ruled out that there was

and turkey and syria is on the. on the syrian side but there is a syrian on whom the forces are surrounding our friend backed of course by russia and iran no i think there is not cooperation between the mosque in p. why did the stock to pull operation of two. army deacon if you might need that for you might be begun to surround syria what do you think that will happen if turkish troops kill one of donald trump soldiers in northern syria yes i. was nick did cry but i think it's just one sick area and being an united states playing for draw all our muster off the rock had clashed arriving grogs of the eurasia and the s. temple three nights of the soul device the concrete in the region is hamper for the unification then growth on your asia well kind of because finally you are happy though with britain's position dres amaze foreign secretary saying that he has the right to protect its borders britain definitely not supporting washington or moscow defacto in afrin yeah it's not for the good because. you can see that the

turkey customs union which is something where there's a lot of money in for turkey and which could also really come as a relieve to many other financial challenges and political challenges turkey has been and what do you say about this question has been much discussed here in germany about whether there is you joe has been used as a bargaining chip or what turkey wants for his release the german foreign minister says there is no deal has been struck and i'm wondering whether he's telling the whole truth well the first thing i think the mission is very jealous i mean because a country a whole country and the whole ministers the whole recruited you don't try to go over the guy. and when they try to you know rescue a journalist from a country you know it's it's something that we have never witnessed in our country in the country other countries trying to put much more journalists in jail so it's really the thing that we need to add my first but the thing is there's a still he would she focuses in the german government like one year ago. told to the press that took his government is getting

turkey is key. we have gone to a difficult period and we want a little bit of empathy, a little bit benefit of the doubt solidarity. deputy prime minister mehmet simsek, i thank you for being on hardtalk. thank you very much indeed. thank you very much. thank you. hello there. yesterday morning, some of the coldest air was across the southern counties of england. with a sharp frost, temperatures in shoreham, towards the south coast of england, got down to —6 degreees. compare that with northern ireland, where we were three degrees above freezing. but fortunes have rather switched around this morning. the coldest air across the north and west. it's mild further south, where we've got this band of cloud and rain moving its way slowly eastwards. now, the cold air follows that band of rain. we'll see wintry showers to start the day across many western areas, and notjust that, there'll also be a risk of some icy stretches on the roads to watch out for as well. now looking at friday's weather charts, we

to deal with turkey. well there's been a lot of talk of between both sides since german foreign minister gabriele poured tea for turkey's foreign minister at his private home is it on sensible to use communication channels during times of crisis certainly the left party absolutely favors engaging in dialogue and i personally support it. without that foreign affairs will get nowhere but that's different to entertaining someone at home in some form of chummy living room diplomacy that's not engaging in dialogue i think arms exports don't contribute to mutual understanding but only add to conflict against the backdrop of turkey's domestic political crisis and its foreign policy role i think it is a severely criticizing turkish president i don't want one but two thirds of tax living in germany supported in the constitutional referendum the you have an explanation for why so many turks voted for someone who wants to abolish civil rights. if the opera. well several factors explain this one is that turkish presi

voluntarily well i think of the concerns about his security and it has to be said turkey that turkey should justice minister reiterated the fact the turkey's put a one million dollars bounty on the head of salim was that they say for his return to turkey it's not clear whether that is dead or alive but took officials have put this very large amount of money on him they've done this. leading figures within the the kurdish rebel group the p.k. k. insight many of those have been killed in world war in return for that reward now and i think it will be a great deal of concern going forward about this now that it's only following through the little normal legal process is the judicial part is that it insists it has no intention of doing any founding thinking selling muslim but there will be concerns going forward about this than the fact that is taking increasing a hard line against the syrian kurdish militia inside turkey and do consider him a number one terrorist cell phone. of course by the dorian jones on the story for us tonight from istanbul dorian as always thank you very much. stil

in turkey as it. has a number of turkish soldiers all increasingly killed along with the concerns over the civilian plight but there could be a growing opposition to this operation and that is seen as one of the reasons why there is ongoing crackdown on any forces of dissent seven hundred arrests of people putting postings on social media opposing this operation that crackdown is expected to continue. and jury we've also been hearing reports of turkish guards at the border with syria indiscriminately shooting asked people trying to flee across the border into turkey has this can you tell us any more about this story. but it's very difficult to verify these reports are being very quick to say that this is propaganda this is out of the question they insist that their super bowl forces do behave in a humane way following international law but it has to be said the international human rights groups last year did publish a report making similar allegations against the turkish border security forces and und

will enter into our countries you will cross borders this is not turkey we are talking about no turkey is not imagine syria would have done the same. wealth and let me take it to be king at start from the beginning turkish citizens are i'm to attack have been attacked by missiles by bombs coming from syrian border seven hundred different attacks took place in addition to that thousands and thousands of syrians have been massacred since two thousand and fifty six point five million people have lost their homes we're hosting three million of them in turkey so we know so we're not there in syria to kill citizens innocent citizens not only are there lives where there are the fight terrorists you are responsible for you rights that means you are responsible for international principles and buildings charity invaded a foreign state without permission you crossed i'm bored with our old legend to make a living turkey is violating international law according to the united nations charter her article fifty one a country has the right to defend itself as nationally whan syria we let me correct th

g s the p k k is really focused on turkey for then turkey is the place where they come from and turkey is the place where they do have. the syrian currents and that's that's a sad story in a way for a long time they always fought for the rights of courts and other countries for example. the iraqi kurds when they fought their fights against saddam hussein and even before and then many kurds and the one thousand nine hundred syrian kurds joined and fought for the kurds in turkey and there was never actually before the syrian civil war started kurdish syrian insurgent group or something like this something like this simply didn't didn't exist and i think it's high time that the syrian kurds really focus on what they want to achieve in syria not so much to focus on what is happening in syria and what's happening in iraq the kurds let's say the political parties in iraq and in turkey don't do that in the end they're not really interested in what is happening to the syrian currents this this is sort of like that for a long time for example when he used to be in syria he used to be there for