here is chris eckhart. he was also suspended. there are his parents. he was the third plaintiff. the three that went to court were me, my brother john and chris engickhart. here is my brother john and i add the appeals court level. what do you think happened? do you think that we -- we had lost at the district level, at the lower level. there are three levels, the district, the appeals level and the supreme court. we had lost at the district level and i thought, of course we're going to lose. no big important judge is going to say kids have rights. so we had already lost. so it was at the appeals level now. i think i was in tenth grade by now. what do you think happened? who thinks that we lost at the appeals level? yeah? who thinks we won at the appeals level? yeah, about half and half. should i let them know? all right. let's see here. did we win our case at the district level? no. oh, darn. at the appeals level? no. we lost. okay. so can i go back to that slide of the -- let's see, how do i get back? i guess go back to this one. well, did you -- remember the one of me and my b