one thing to know about jared kushner is that jared kushner has a very, very good lawyer. he's not himself a lawyer but, boy, did he pick a good one. he's one of those washington legends who turns up in high-profile cases involving very high-profile politicians on both sides of the isle with a common thread uniting them is they all seem to win. jared kushner is the guy on the left with senator bob menendez. his lawyer's name is abby lowell, top drawer washington lawyer. before that, mr. kushner was represented by jamie gorelick who was also the real deal top drawer. that high-powered very well respected top drawer legal representation is important in its own right for jared kushner particularly with new news discovered tonight. on a more human level, though, it's also just a striking contrast. with what's been going on with the president himself. as of this weekend it appears that the president has no serious legal representation with the russia scandal. the lead lawyer had been this man, john dowd. so for example that's who had been negotiating with robert mueller and his

one thing to know about jared kushner is that jared kushner has a very, very good lawyer. he's not himself a lawyer but boy did he pick a good one. he's a washington legend who turns up in high profile cases involving very high profile politicians on both sides of the isle with a common thread uniting. jared kushner is the guy on the left with bob menendez and he's the real deal. top drawer washington lawyer. before that, mr. kushner was represented by jamie who is also the real deal top drawer. with this new news discovered tonight. on a more human level, though, it's also just a striking contrast. as of this weekend it looks like the president has no serious legal representation with the russia scandal. the lead lawyer had been this man, john dowd. that's who had been negotiating with robert mueller and prosecutors when and whether and how the president would be questioned by the special counsel and his team and it feels like there has been a lot of chaotic lawyering with the president and his legal defense, but what has happened there, what has happened on that subject

." >> jared has done an outstanding job. >> an nbc news exclusive. >> my name is jared kushner. >> the mueller probe with whether or not the son-in-law is using foreign policy to benefit his own company. >> jared is a very successful real estate person. >> why jared kushner may be in trouble like never before and what did the president know and when did he know it? plus, the story behind the unglued president and his impulsive decision to start a trade war. incredible new deception from the white house chief of staff on the domestic abuse scandal and the massive popular uprising in deep red trump country. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it would be one thing if jared kushner used his position of the white house to benefit his family real estate business. that would be bad. i mean, that's your standard run-of-the-mill style corruption. again, really bad. a big deal scandal if true, but also, the kind of thing you've heard about before. maybe in state or local government. okay, but it would be another thing entirely if jared kushner actually sha

." >> jared has done an outstanding job. >> an nbc news exclusive. >> my name is jared kushner. >> the mueller probe is investigating whether or not the son-in-law is using foreign policy to benefit his own company. >> jared is a very successful real estate person. >> why jared kushner may be in trouble like never before and what did the president know and when did he know it? plus, the story behind the unglued president and his impulsive decision to start a trade war. incredible new deception from the white house chief of staff on the domestic abuse scandal and the massive popular uprising in deep red trump country. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it would be one thing if jared kushner used his position of the white house to benefit his family real estate business. that would be bad. i mean, that's your standard run-of-the-mill style corruption. again, really bad. a big deal scandal if true, but also, the kind of thing you've heard about before. maybe in state or local government. okay, but it would be another thing entirely if jared kushner

over security clearances and again jared kushner within the white house. but first, let's go to the nbc news exclusive. nbc news has learned that jared kushner's business discussions are the latest -- target of robert mueller's probe. they are scrutinizing whether any discussions with foreigners during the presidential transition later shaped white house policies in ways that were designed to either benefit or retaliate against those he spoke with. this is according to witnesses and other people familiar with the investigation. nbc's carol lee helped break this story. she joins me now on this. carol, this is crucial because this administration has so many conversations with so many different people, the question here is whether or not those conversations turn into policy. >> correct. and this is significant because it is the first time that we've learned that robert mueller is -- there is a -- seeing if there is a link between conversations that jared kushner had during the presidential transition with foreigners to policy decisions that have been made in

so that you're having this happen with jared kushner. you're having, you know, ben carson and his $5,000 chair over at hud. you're having seemingly infinite number of travel scandals. it seems to feel like there are no sort of guardrails here. it's just anything goes and you can get away with anything. >> michael, in the early days of the trump administration, jared kushner was called the secretary of everything. now his ability to do his job has been seriously limited by this security clearance setback. can he be effective? >> he's the secretary of nothing right now. because he's got the weight of investigations around him. he's got the break-up of the gang inside the white house. where before there could have been more of a unified front. he had others he could rely on to sort of carry that water. it is a very lonely space right now inside the administration. and the only -- the only thing that's still moving strong is the president. >> that's right. >> i mean, like, okay, what's next, let's bring it, you know. >> increasingly seems to

there's these parallel things that jared kushner is doing. we know his family is looking for various sources of foreign money to inject into a cash starved property. we also know jared kushner is running a lot of foreign policy. your story says basically gets the two as close together as you could possibly imagine. ask the qataris for money and then the full force of the u.s. government is slammed down on qatar. how involved was kushner in that? >> extremely involved in the policy. without kushner, we might not have the blockade. and just so people know, this blockade is ongoing. i think they lost chad the other day but saudi arabia and the uae is still blockading the country. food can't go in through certain channels and this cold war, very nearly became a hot war. there are reports that the emirates considered invading with this and it's not just all silliness. the yemen crisis and the humanitarian disaster is tied into this because of the way the politics play out there. saudi cares more about the yemen war and the uae cares more about qat

. >>> plus, the slow motion takedown of jared kushner. the questions about how he does his job without the right security clearance. the reports his own father-in-law may want him out. and new nbc reporting. "the 11th hour" on a friday night begins now. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 407 of the trump administration. president trump is at his florida resort after a week of extraordinary turbulence that seems to signify a deepening crisis than some of the previous rocky weeks in this white house. to begin the russia investigation appears to have taken on a new kind of momentum. today nbc news wants to know, if jared kushner's business dealings ended up influencing the administration's policies. that comes amid other nbc news reports this week that the special counsel also wants to know what donald trump knew about the release of stolen dnc e-mails on, and that mueller is looking at criminal charges for russians who carried out hacking and leaking of information to hurt the democrats in 2016. new

they had meetings with jared kushner, they called jared kushner to get to meet his father-in-law. and then when they moved into the white house for several months, jared kushner continued that role as a conduit for foreign leaders, and in particular, those in the middle east, china, and mexico. and so his role now has diminished a little bit, but he was a major player in foreign affairs for this government and during the transition phase. that's why mueller is so interested in his business dealings at the same time. >> chuck, it's funny. we just followed this entire story of mueller and this investigation. we get a sense that we know where it's going. we think we can put in a frame how he's operating and then we get a development like this that puts it into a different direction. do you have a sense just looking in like the rest of us at this investigation, is this an investigation that continues to widen or slow down and wrap up at some point? what does this tell you about where mueller is in the course of things? what do you think? >> this piece of it isn't terribly surprising f

jared kushner and ivanka trump are not. if you are gaining financial interest in change for your position of office, that will be a conflict of interest. >> this is all against the backdrop of witnesses leaking of what they've been asked about so it gives a hint to what mueller is looking at. i on my show that airs at 6:00 p.m. had a rare thing and you were there for it of an aide to donald trump who had come straight from basically his mueller interview special he talked to us about his experience. and then he made news by basically implicating donald trump jr. in a problem. take a look. >> i think it's probable that that meeting with don junior i am sure don junior reported to his father what he heard. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. >> you think don junior told his father everything he was hearing of getting offers of dirt? >> yes, i'm sure he did. >> i'm sure too. >> i'm still sure. that's what i'm thinking. i was thinking oh my god, i cannot believe he just said that and does he have a law degree for re

should i trust jared kushner? >> he is now criminally exposed and the issue of trust is a very real one. is my own son-in-law about to cooperate and pressured because of debt and mueller's intensity to cooperate and inform against me. so, kushner has become a liability for the president and i'm thinking you're going to see him fade away in the relatively near future. >> we don't have any -- and we also don't know when the special counsel does have those -- we're cooperating with them. we don't always know that. >> we don't always know that. the policy so far on behalf of kushner has been to resist and deny. we've seen him a lot more recently giving statements so that kushner's not exposed in these discussions. at some point or another we have this closing gap between the president and his advisors closing in on the president. so, he's got to be, he's got to be very anxious. we have people who can talk about the money now. we have gates, we have flynn who may be responsible for some of the disclosures that lead us

jared kushner is in a lot of trouble it looks like, et cetera. and the mueller probe and whether the unpredictability ratchets up. >> he's the first president >> he's the first president in a long time, if ever, ever who does things because he's mad or does things policy-wise despite his own staff or he's in a bad mood and we know from the reporting in the white house, from the post and "the new york times" and from nbc, he does it a lot and losing the emotional support people around him that he's had in the white house who keep him from having these jags. so who knows what's going to happen? >> this is why i start to find this jared kushner and javanka, if you will, they are his security blanket. in the end, they're not going anywhere, but if they were to leave the white house and no longer has that security blanket and all of this other stuff is happening, then i think we have plenty to worry about. >> trump swaps beloved burgers for salads and soups in new diet. yes, makes you cranky but bone chilling to imagine what that can produce. thank yo

jared kushner, ivanka. this one particular deal and her contacts with perhaps some of the unves or thes, some of the people who were maybe buying into this property, something triggered the counterintelligence. the fbi has been spending well over a year now looking at some of their contacts, some of the deals that were being made. but something in this particular deal, i've been told, really triggered the fbi and they've really been looking into it, trying to get a sense, again, it's sort of what you said. was there some kind of influence? were they trying to exploit her, her husband? all of that remains a concern for the fbi. >> and shimon, would this have any impact on the mueller investigation? >> it potentially could. anything that has to do with this family, with the president, is all now being run out of the mueller team, out of the mueller case. so, potentially, it could. and, you know, from everything that i know, mueller has seen some of this information, it is before him, it is before his prosecut

you have been digging into all of it. >> jared kushner and his family's businesses leave jared kushner exposed to several allegations. one, that he's conflicted. two, that he's profiteering from the white house, and as you mentioned in your intro, that he's subject to foreign influence. and this cloud that's hanging over jared kushner is unlikely to dissipate while he's in the white house and possibly beyond that. listen. >> this chicago skyscraper is majority owned by jared kushner and his family. mortgage documents show a fund link to private equity power house apollo global management, provided them with $184 million mortgage for the bidding. apollo was founded by josh harris. months earlier, that same executive was in talks with the white house about an advisory role, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions. jared stepped down as ceo of his family's business since going to washington, but questions of conflicts still persist. also at the white house, jared met with citi bank ceo michael corbett last year. they made a $325 million loan to kushner companies and its pa

his downfall. >> witnesses jared kushner's two weeks collapse has been watching a play. the whole ordeal breaks it down to five acts. first, act one, the knee-capping. it started when kushner lost his security clearance of a critical blow to so many responsibilities. act two, the humiliation, on tuesday, foreign government kisskis discussed way to release kushner. on wednesday, the editorial boards suggested that cushnkush should step down and act four is the plot. then fact five and this is the most consequential, torture trump. the "times" reporting trump is frustrated with kushner who he sees is a liability. >> further according to the w g washington post, the president is not happy of all the attention that his son-in-law is getting. the president quote, "also, new this week everything might be better for them if they simply gave up their jobs and return to new york." new york times go further as trump discussed his departure from the white house. the president tries to navigate family issues. he's attempting to deal with policy issues, of course, at the same time an

a closer look at jared kushner's business dealings. women claim pattern of discrimination at the u.s. forest service, and much more. >> woodruff: president trump promised during the campaign toe get toon trade, and today he took a major step byar announcing newfs on imported steel and aluminum. it has led some experts to warn of a much bigger trade war. but at a meeting with industry leaders, mr. trump said the u.s. needed to crack down on counies flooding american markets with cheap metals. and he told the business leaders the move would give them a big boost. >> pretty much all of you will immediately be expanding if we give you that level playing field, if we give you that help. and you're going to hire more workers, going to be very happy. they're going to be very, very happy. owand again, what's been a to go on for decades is disgraceful. it's disgraceful. >> woodruff: mr. trump said he esuld announce which count would be targeted next week. there would be 25% tarif on steel, and 10% on aluminum. thpresident has repeatedly threate

can jared kushner remain in his position? should he remain? >> obviously john kelly has had to act with respect to his security clearances, and there's been a question about john kelly's role with respect to security clearances in the first place. i had to ask chris wray, the fbi director, to finally get a straight story about when the white house was informed about rob porter and some of his potential security clearance problems. you have security clearance problems at the white house, and you're potentially compromising sources and methods in what can be very serious intelligence matters. >> this is a president who ran on, a, hiring the best people, and b, going after hillary clinton for not handling classified information properly, said she would be the only president who wouldn't be able to get a security clearance. >> and he seems to get so caught up in potential efforts to try to discredit bob mueller, which aren't going anywhere because bob mueller has been so professional. with respect to all these memos and the nunes memo and the schi

there's long been speculation that ivanka and jared kushner would go -- ivanka trump and jared kushner would move back to new york. it's certainly a possibility. in fact, many -- there are multiple people at the white house who might be interested in other jobs. you can imagine that, after how exhausting it must be in this white house. >> it's exhausting just to be near the white house. >> just to cover it. doing it has to be even harder. >> just to watch it. >> the idea that it will be hard to find people with experience, high-quality people with experience in washington and policymaking to take the jobs, i think it is, again, one more thing to worry about when you think about the good of the country and the need to have a well-functioning white house. >> austan, go ahead. >> no, look, as you might imagine, i totally agree with that sentiment. i mean, i think it's not to -- we should not understate the damage that this trade war would do if they actually enact it. i'm hopeful that he got himself worked up about something, and when people start telling him, wait a minute, this is going

jared kushner of course has been stripped of top security clearance. "the washington post" is reporting officials from four countries, mexico, israel, uae has talked about ways to use him to manipulate him. should jared kushner and ivanka trump be granted top level security clearances at this point when it's been a year and haven't been able to clear them? >> well, i think general kelly did the right thing in downgrading jared kushner's security clearance given the wide range of unresolved issues and the repeated problems jared has had with being fully transparent in the background check process that he's been going through in order to get his clearance. he either for got to disclose or misrepresented a number of meetings that he had with foreign officials. and recent reporting that suggests that jared kushner got $2,500 million in loans for a critical business deal that he was trying to advance after folks attended a white house meeting with him raises even more concerns about potential conflicts of interest. it's important that we have in the preside

jared kushner is one of the most powerful people in the world right now. we know that he discussed a job, a white house job, with joshua harris. and that, on its own, raises concerns about the subsequent financial transaction between kushner companies and apollo. to be clear, there's a number of very, in some cases, specific, in some cases potentially nebulous triggers to determine if this actually is a violation of the ethics regulations or the law. >> or potentially a bribe. >> yeah, i'm not going to speculate about that. but you know here, when you have a situation where, you know, jared kushner potentially, threw his company, through his company seeking a loan from apollo. that creates a certain relationship between him and mr. harris, which in turn prohibits him from engaging in other sorts of decisions and conversations as a government official. we have no indication that he did that. but it certainly puts him into a kind of a zone of potential problems, right? i mean he's kind of running into, okay, now he's got this relationship potentially with ha

jared kushner made the same promise. clearly jared kushner is violating that promise. >> right. it's the family real estate company, kushner companies and he still owns a portion of the entity that's involved in this apollo loan. he is -- has not divested himself of that as you know and nor has the president divested himself of certain interests. he obviously is trying to distance himself from this situation, but there's no question that the kushner companies is benefitting from these loans and they've been in need of them. >> if the special prosecutor was not already investigating this part of jared kushner's life, they are tonight. they will stay at the office late tonight reading your article, and they will begin investigating this tomorrow if they haven't already. did you pick up any indications that the special prosecutor is already investigating jared kushner getting loans for his companies while working in the white house? >> i have not heard that. obviously at the times we've done some reporting on the eastern district of new york and inquiries they made into deutsche ba

jared kushner was reading the pdb. and the dni i understand in the bush years put together a distribution list for the pdb. did you ever hear any concern in the intelligence community about who was looking at the pdb? >> well, it was a very short list. it was one that was carefully watched -- looked at. and everybody who had access to that pdb had top secret sei clearances so they would have access to the most sensitive information so they could do their jobs. having individuals for such a long period of time with these interim clearances with real questions in terms of their background investigations and the vetting, and i think thankfully i think john kelly now is really taking this very, very seriously and taking actions as appropriate. i'm sure donald trump is not happy with some of this, but there cannot be carelessness which borders on recklessness in terms of handling our national security and classified information. our fate and our future really depends on a seriousness of purpose, and a adult-like approach to

>> not that i know of. >> and how about jared kushner? >> no. >> is jared kushner becoming a distraction giving all the controversies that he has been at the center of? >> jared is still a valued member of the administration and he will continue to focus on the work that he has been doing. and we'll continue pushing forward on that front as well. >> are there any concerns about conflict of interest given those meetings that he had with companies that gave his family business millions of dollars in loans? >> i would refer you to the statement that was put out by his attorney. >> but the appearance? >> again, i would have to refer you to the statement pout out b his attorney. >> back to the tariffs. is the president concerned about the impact this may have on america's allies like canada, uk, eu? >> the president's biggest concern is making sure that we're doing everything we can to protect american workers. and 245what was what his announcement on his intentions next week are specifically geared towards. this isn't something that he has sh

, what was jared kushner doing and what has he been doing here? i want to get a sense of how his role has changed. what was he charged with? how big of a portfolio did he have at the beginning of the administration. >> the bigger question is what was he not charged with? to include mideast peace, infrastructure at one point, other domestic issues. here you have jared can kushner, a central figure in the trump white house who at this very same time is now marginalized in a way that he hadn't been before. security clearance was downgraded. he lost two huge allies in this white house, one being hope hicks, who is still here, but has announced her departure, and the other being his personal white house spokesperson, a guy who came from hollywood to the white house to basically do pr. he announced he was leaving weeks ago. jared kushner, if he does choose to stay and work, what kind of access does he have to sensitive documents as he would try to work out some mideast peace deal if that is, in fact, part of his mideast peace deal. beyond that, he's lik

and charles kushner being jared kushner's father. both meetings took place, i understand, at the kushner company. >> that's right. and jared kushner maintains a personal interest. not just an interest like, oh, i hope it does well. he owns a significant portion still of kushner companies. and kushner the two kushners speak on an almost daily basis. it's been reported they speak on a daily basis. so these meetings happened one day after the other. the question what did he know about them? >> talk about what happened afterward in terms of u.s. policy and kushner was involved. after the deal fell apart, kushner basically supporting a change in policy what ended up being a blockade by other countries like saudi arabia. >> right. a blockade that is ongoing to this day because when secretary of state rex tillerson tried to mediate it, if you remember, and you reported on it at the time, about an hour and a half later, president trump went out and offered a statement that completely undercut tillerson. accused qatar of financing terror. the

>> if it's true, jared kushner has to go. we couldn't understand why the trump administration were taking the saudi's side because of the united states' interests in qatar. at the top of the list are thousands of u.s. troops stationed in a base there. to so firmly take the side of the saudis and resulting of a downward spiral of the qatar. economy put thousands of americans at risk. if the reason for this was to protect the kushner's financial interests, that's all the evidence you need to make some big changes in the white house. >> let me tell you we'll have wilbur ross coming later. you saw the president's announcement of steel tariffs thursday. expecting the formal announcement this week. do you think there's a threat from canada, mexico, south korea and japan? >> i think the president needs to recognize none of the actions take place in a vacuum. i can support some targeted ss e sanctions against china. at a moment when you've need the chinese to be the heavies on north korea to disabuse them of their nuclear ambitions y

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does jared kushner become a problem for the president? not divesting from his family's business is certainly not something that the president could complain about, given that he also is still receiving money from his family business. >> and michael, a final word from you. you opened this door. how can kushner continue on just the middle east front when so much what was we deal with from there, human signals, intelligence among our highest bracketed top secret information? >> it's really hard to see how he can do that, brian. you know, again, you could have brought him in and he does have business experience, he knows a lot of very wealthy people, knows some things about real estate, maybe give him some kind of domestic economic portfolio, maybe. he would still be under qualified i would argue. on the foreign policy front, now he's shut off from huge amounts of crucial information, so much of our foreign policy decision-making is actually based on information that the rest of the world doesn't get to see. the white house is looking a coupl

jared kushner, ivanka. this one deal and her contacts with perhaps some of the investors, some of the people maybe buying into this property, something triggered the counter intelligence. the fbi has been spending well over a year now look at their contacts, some of the deals being made. but something in this particular deal, i've been told, really triggered the fbi, and they've really been looking into it, trying to get an accept, sort sy trying to exploit her, her husband, jared kushner, all of that remains a concern for the fbi. >> would this have any impact on the mueller investigation in. >> it could. because the counter intelligence investigators who are looking at this are also working with the mueller team. anything that has to do with his family, with the president is now being run out of mueller team, out of mueller case. so potentially, it could. and you know, from everything that i know, mueller has seen some of this information. it is before him. it is before his prosecutors and investigators.

jared kushner and ivanka trump and rob porter and hope hicks. they enjoyed rarefied access to the president and special privileges in the west wing. glamorous and well-connected, they had an air of power and invincibility. they even double dated once. an unlikely cascade of events set in motion by paparazzi photos of porter and hicks published february 1st in a british tabloid crashed down this week that many inside and outside the white house say could mark the fall of the house of kushner. all this chaos and the hours of executive time to soak it all in making for a very grumpy donald trump. nbc news is also reporting this afternoon that donald trump was angry and unglued when he started yesterday's trade war. from that nbc scoop, quote, a trifecta of events set him off in a way that two officials said they've not seen before. hope hicks' testimony investigating russia's interference in the 2016 election, conduct by his embattled attorney general and the treatment of his son-in-law by his own chief of staff. to help us understand a moment that

role jared kushner has assigneded to. whatever that role is. he is going to have more involvement. there's more potential pitfalls. it's very difficult for him to get interim. the word shouldn't be permanent security clearance but for our purposes we call it permanent security clearance. that is why. he is not the traditional person in that role. on the other hand, this may be evidence of exactly what we may think it is, which is some kind of dealings that are inappropriate for somebody at that high level. >> other exclusive from nbc news this week centered on robert mueller building a criminal case against russians who hacked the dnc servers from folks who worked at the dnc. you can look at that and look back at the indictment centering on those 13 russian nationals involved in the campaign. why do this? it's unlikely these individuals will ever see a u.s. courtroom. >> it sends a message. it sends a message that this is not okay. it send ace message to anybody, such as russians. it sends a message to the united states a

we know with jared kushner, international debts are on the line. this person will never have a security clearance, a top security clearance. that affects the counsel that the president of the united states is receiving tonight. >> jill, there's a real question here about the next phase in the mueller investigation particularly as it pertains to the news we have that he's preparing hacking charges. at some level, that is not surprising. what do you think the factors are about deciding when he would bring those charges which is the one crime we kind of all know happened because we saw it happen in front of us. >> that's been clear since the intelligence services have told us you that the russians hacked our system. and that the white house is doing nothing to prevent it. and i would say the sooner that mueller acts the better because we need to do something and i was very happy when senator wyden said that it is the congress' job to bring the story to the public. it is mueller's job to bring criminal charges. we shouldn't forget that they need to do

does jared kushner become a problem for the president? not divesting from his family's business is certainly not something that the president could complain about, given that he also is still receiving money from his family business. and and, michael, a final word from you. you opened this door. how can kushner continue on just the middle east front when so much what was we deal with from there, human signals, intelligence among our highest bracketed top secret information? >> it's really hard to see how he can do that, brian. you know, again, you could have brought him in and he does have business experience, he knows a lot of very wealthy people, knows some things about real estate, maybe give him some kind of domestic economic portfolio, maybe. he would still be underqualified for that, i would argue. on the foreign policy front, now he's shut off from huge amounts of crucial information, so much of our foreign policy decision-making is actually based on information that the rest of the world doesn't get to see. the white house is look

the question is how much "jeopardy" is jared kushner in? i saw the "wall street journal" lead editorial, a newspaper iendly to the president, saying it's time for jared kushner and ivanka trumpto leave the white house staff. they can advise the president but from the outside. my question to you is, as much as we know ahat's happen, how much jeopardy could hee in? >> well, i will ipoint outs a high standard for a prosecutor to prove bribery of a gernment official. it's not enough to show benefits went back andforth. prosecutors are required to show quid pro quo, this for that, before they can prove bribery, i think he has exposure. if i was advising him, i would sa he definitely has criminal exposure, but, at the same time, i think it would be a tough job for a prosecutor to make that very high standard of quid pro quo based on what we know today. though, ofourse, we may not know everything. >> woodruff: for sure. evan osnos, it's a different standard to judge "jeopardy" from a political and a foreign policy making perspective. but how do yo

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is jared kushner a liability? should he go? >> you know -- i think he should and the reason why he should is because if you're starting to center pretty heavy investigation on somebody's business practices, especially when you deal with something like eb 5, which is you know a government-backed program, i think that guilty or not, i think step aside. because what you don't want is you don't want an investigation ongoing, clouding up what the president is going to you know put forth with his policies. and that gets in the way of the president and the white house message when you have all of these cloud around jared kushner. >> noelle thanks so much. sorry you have to take off. but i'm going to talk with jonathan and have him elaborate more on when whole einstein visa. we're going to ask the questions and delve into it further with jonathan alter after a break. i'm ginny and i quit smoking with chantix. i had tried to quit before, i had tried the patch. i tried to go cold turkey; it didn't work for me. i didn't think i could quit

>> if it's true, jared kushner hato go. we couldn't understand why the trump administration were taking the saudi's side because of the united states' interests in qatar. at the top of the list are thousands u troops stationed in a base there. to so firmly take the side of the saudis and resulting of a downward spiral of the qatar. economy put thousands of americans at risk. if the reason for this was to n evence you need to make some bi >> let me tell you we'll have wilbur ross coming later. you saw the president's g the formal of steel tariffs a. korea tment this week.re's a t to recognize none t actionslac. i can support some targeted ss e sanctions against china. at a moment when you've need the chinese to be the heavies on north korea to disabuse them of their nuclear ambitions you're jeopardizing national security interest. the president willing to start a trade war with europe, this is also a gift to russia that loves it when the split. edse targeted sanctions are necessary. you have to do it at the right moment. non

does jared kushner become a problem for the president? not divesting from his family's business is certainly not something that the president could complain about, given that he also is still receiving money from his family business. >> and michael, a final word from you. you opened this door. how can kushner continue on just the middle east front when so much what was we deal with from there, human signals, intelligence among our highest bracketed top secret information? >> it's really hard to see how he can do that, brian. you know, again, you could have brought him in and he does have business experience, he knows a lot of very wealthy people, knows some thing wts real estate, maybe give him some kind of domestic economic portfolio, maybe. he would still be under qualified i would argue. on the foreign policy front, now he's shut off from huge amounts of crucial information, so much of our foreign policy decision-making is actually based on information that the rest of the world doesn't get to see. the white house is looking a couple o

jared kushner and ivanka trump and rob porter and hope hicks. they enjoyed rarefied access to the president and special privileges in the west wing. glamorous and well-connected, they had an air of power and invincibility. they even double dated once. an unlikely

jared kushner possibly the next to go. what impact will have that on the president and the president's targeting of jeff sessions? one prominent republican suggesting it is time for the president to top tweeting and get rid of the attorney general if that's what he wants. to discuss all of this, i'm joined by panel also on soupsasong. welcome to you all. thanks for joining me on this friday evening -- or sunday evening. whoa, sunday evening. i appreciate it. how do you say your last name so i get it right next time? >> soupsang. >> thanks so much. >> of course. >> you cover the white house everyday. is it as bad as it has gotten or is it overblown? >> oh, it certainly is as bad as reporters, including at "the washington post," "daily beast," and other outlets have been picking up on from senior aides and people who talk to the president on a daily or regular basis. having said that, this is a west wing that has become accustom to and in certain cases numb to careening from crisis to crisis, self-inflicted scandal to self-i

, jared kushner. first he was stripped of his top secret security clearance. then came a "washington post" report that foreign officials privately discussed ways to manipulate him, followed bay report in the new york times that kushner's family business received massive loans after white house meetings with an equity group. and then robert mueller's team is skrcrutinizing whether kushner's business decisions affected things. joining me now is malcolm nance, nathsha baltram. malcolm, starting with you. we talked about the bank meeting that jared kushner had. we know he met with anbang, which owns the waldorfs astoria. explain why the needs of jared kushner, why does that pose a national security risk? >> well, because you may be trading on government information, government intelligence. we don't know whose side you may be trading it for. you may be an agent of a foreign power or using classified information for your own enrichment. he met with the director of veb bank, known as the bank of spies, run

can you believe the mess jared kushner is in. can you believe president trump wants him out of the west wing? can you believe what the chief of staff john kelly is saying right now. can you believe how many white house controversies are flying under the radar. conflicts of interest and cabinet controversy and steppy business arrangement, and suspicious stock trades and so on. and whether you are shocked at all of this or saddened, exhilarated or exhausted or confused or over joyed or apathetic, can you believe this white house? seriously, can you believe it? i'm joined by the panel. bill crystal, susan glasser and analyst and democratic pollster cornell belcher. it was the only way we could figure out how to wrap up this week. susan, it is -- in a year of impossible leaks, improbable weeks has vince skully once said, donald trump has pulled off the impossible. it is the most chaotic week. >> bee careful. i'm exhausted of listening to that litany. i'm hoping friday is not quite over yet. so if this table was wood i would be knocki

the burden is on jared kushner as the u.s. government official to say, no, no, i can't have that conversation. and i think the most alarming thing about the story phil rucker talks about about the intercept, the whole reason you have no one-on-one conversations with foreign government ands foreign leaders is the amount of contacts they have with no stenographer, no one that runs the middle east desk. the fact that they had so many contacts, one on one sort of outside. the chain of command, jared had plenty of seniority. outside of any of the structures that protect you from these things, he might not be in this system if he hadn't set up so many one on one direct -- i want to put up a list, though. sam stein talked about what wasn't funny. i want to show you what is. here's all the stuff that has happened in february. it's a running tally of scandals. do we have that? okay, here you go. these are p.r. crises in february alone. we can't read them all. we'd be on until 7:45. but you take a look at that while i ask eddy, what the

jared kushner and -- >> he likes turnover. >> jared kushner and ivanka both should leave the white house. they don't have business being in their official positions. jared does not have the experience to get middle east peace or whatever portfolio they've given him, especially not with a lowered security clearance. so i think that there are a number of different issues, legal and otherwise, for the kushners and for ivanka. >> even if it were true he was clear minded, you know what, jared, does he get rid of him anyway because of the way it looks, because he's under the microscope? do you do that? or are you going to give the media their fodder? >> he's sucking up the headlines and trump doesn't like it. >> you started this by mentioning chris christie at the beginning of the segment. chris christie put jared kushner's father in jail. this week we learned credible reporting, they have a past, but we've done reporting that president trump is asking his chief of staff, which somehow is still in this job, to look for replacement for jared, his daughter and son, and also asked his daughter an

jared kushner works for the white house. if somebody is making allegations about somebody who works in the white house, it should be the white house that responds to this. in addition to outside entities. harris? >> harris: all right, john roberts. thank you very much. for more reaction to the imminent departure of the woman politico is calling trump's translator. let's bring in josh holmes, former chief of staff to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. josh, always good to see you. i want to start with hope hicks and john roberts talked about. when you talk about someone inside trump's inner circle as hope hicks. what impact does this have. >> it obviously has a big impact. she had the salute trust of the put of the united states. and i think by all accounts was one of the few people within the administration who had the ability to provide complete candor to the president. and influence his decisions one way or another. so there is a loss on that. but, you know, i have come long enough in government to find out that there