isa about it. -- rudy guiliani said about iab it. -- rudy guiliani said about iit. -- rudy guiliani said about it. -- rudy guiliani said about i- guiliani said about iguiliani said about i>> michael avenotti. said about isaid about it. >>> as the special counsel's investigation continues, there is a name that hasn't come up much, which is ivanka trump. she's not just the president's daughter, she's his adviser and played a key role in the investigation the mueller team may be holding back on calling her in for questioning for now because they're waiting for the last possible moment, knowing the president will not take it well if they called her in as a witness. rudy gel aguiliani was about about targeting her in anyway. here's what he said. >> if they do, do ivanka, which i well, they will turn on him. >> what about his son-in-law? they talked about him? >> jared is a fine man. you know that. but men are you know disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka, c'mon. >> with me is jennifer rogers and michael the antonio. do you think hearing rudy guiliani saying that, do you think that's

is rudy guiliani lying? are they both lying? i mean, it just seems they've twisted themselves into pretzels here. >> i think rudy guiliani was being truthful the other night. maybe he wasn't, again, it wasn't as artful or as delicate as he needed to be in his presentation, but, again, the bottom line is that michael cohen was reimbursed apparently by the president with individual money, not campaign money or corporate money, but his personal money. he reimbursed michael cohen. i mean, that's the story. i always felt that was the case and i don't know anybody -- i can't imagine many people in the country actually thought that michael cohen was going to pay a settlement on behalf of his client without the expectation of reimbursement. i never heard of any la you are who would do that. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. great to be with you as always. >>> we will have more on this after the break including the big picture from carl bernstein who has been out ahead of the story from day one. >>> later, a l

guiliani keeps making things worse. >> we love rudy. he's a special guy. >> then why the president was praising paul manafort on stage today. >> there for a short while but he's a good person. >> what happened when the man who said he would get tough on the nra spoke at their convention today. >> some of you people are petrified ra. you can't be petrified. >> thank you, kanye. >> good evening from new york. i'm joy read in for chris hayes. donald trump's efforts to clean up the mess made by his new personal attorney rudy guiliani have managed to make things worse. speaking to reporters this morning, the president suggested that giuliani didn't know what he was talking about when he said trump reimbursed mike cohen for his hush money payment to stormy daniels just before the 2016 election. >> i'll tell you what, rudy is a great guy but he just started a day ago. but he really has his heart into it. he's working hard. he's learning the subject matter. and he's going to be issuing a statement, too. but he is a great guy. he knows it's a wi

carol, you've talking to rudy guiliani. im today. alked to why did the mayor choose now to try to get out in front of this issue and talk about it as something that wast a campaign violation, campaign finance violation, theseen pa to cohen? carol: it really freaked out a lot of people in house because they didn't know this was coming on "fox & friends"erntil they lly tuned into the show. but, clearly, according to some of thosere advisers whoow trying to get up to speed, what happened was rudy had long conversation with the president about stormy daniels and the payment to cohen and he decided to get in front and clear up this mess by telling people what had happened, that there had beenepayment. the problem was, rudy created me another smal. legally you don't know exactly whether it put the president in more jeopardy but it clearly muddled the waters in the worst way. robert: when you look, julie, inside of the white house this week, what's going on with the president's legal advice? you have ty cobb leaving. he was prefecture coope

guiliani everything and rudy guiliani is telling that to "fox & friends"? >> well, just to give you an example of how much senior staffers in if the trump white house were kept completely in the dark on this until the moment it actually happened, on sean hannity's show wednesday evening, therern at least two white house officials who were messaging me as the episode was going on, one of whom very bluntly asked, is he supposed to be doing this? there were so many people at the senior ranks kept in the dark that they were genuinely surprised and caught off guard that rudy was going out there and saying all these things. they didn't nope if it was sanctioned by the president at the time. we quickly found out afterwards that it was. but this is a bit of a fly by the seat of your pants legal strategy that oftentimes keeps people including don mcgahn and emmet flood out of the loop. and it begs the question, is that the wisest legal strategy for a president of the united states who is in such a legal multifaceted mine field. >> let's ask the former prosecutor, re

let me start with what rudy guiliani said there. if the president fires the fbi director because he refuses to publicly clear him in an investigation, there are some who argue that on its face is obstruction of justice. >> i don't know who those would be. i think they didn't make it to law school. the president under article 2 has the unfettered authority to hire and fire people. don't forget civil service protection is not involved. he can hire and fire all of these people. comey and kelly. and because of article 2, but how would firing comey ever be obstruction of justice? there's 15,000 more fbi agents that are there. as the fired and the investigation continued. so what does that obstruct for goodness sake? >> i've heard that argument before, alan dershowitz made it, joseph digenova. >> liberals and conservatives. >> it's impossible to obstruct justice when the president is exercising his full article -- it's impossible for a president exercising his rightful presidential authority to obstruct justice by doing it, right? that an

and i think rudy guiliani is counting on that as part of the explanation for this. how much people will buy that, i don't know. you were talking about the challenge sarah sanders faces in simple believability. i manage prosecutors. i wasn't in the white house. but my view is simply that she can't do any better than the information she has. it's that credibility that is more brought into question. that factors in here going forward and doesn't help them. the history doesn't help them. >> in other news this friday morning, thousands are being evacuated from the big island. a volcano is spilling lava into the streets. the latest on the eruption next. here's the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve told in the time it takes to brew your cup. let's go to sumatra. where's sumatra? good question. this is win. and that's win's goat, adi. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. making the coffee erupt with flavor. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. that erupts with even more flavor. which helps

position and really went back to the rudy guiliani we saw on the campaign trail. just out in full trump style saying all of this stuff. i think apparently the president liked it a lot at first but when he realized how oblematic it was we've seen him pull him back in. that's why we saw that statement today.uc robert: an important point, carol. i kept asking myself this week, who is the audience for guiliani? is he talking to mueller? is this really about reshaping bnot juff the legtle but the court of public opinion? carol: so you know the answer to that question, bob, because we've been talking about it a lot of times. you know, the president wants a tv lawyer.an there'sot of grousing behind the scenes about fsaks ng oh, i guess i'm not a tv lawyer. he wants sebody throwing punches on the screen sohe blic sees his point of view. and he, for a lon time, believed ty cobb's view that you cooperate, you get asng, and tloud will dissipate and the rain will clear. everything will be great. that didn't work. he agreed with john dowd, one of his lead attorneys, untile res

we had a interview with rudy guiliani and reports insight in the legal team. and now rudy guiliani called out robert mueller's witch hunt. >> the president right when he said witch hunt in>> yes, you can't explain it any other way. first of all there was no russianclusion and shouldn't be a investigation. we are year and half and two years in this. no russianclusion. in falling all over themselves. they committed numerous violations. >> sean: guiliani slammed the special counsel's questions that were recently leaked to the new york times. >> when you look at the questions about what does the president think or feel, what does the president really desire, those are questions intended to trap him in some way in contradict what is in fact a very, very solid explanation of what happened. >> sean: the former mayor is absolutely right and robert mueller sets a perjury trap, there is a subpeona for manafort. mueller has the power to subpeona so long as he writes the name on the paper before he serves the documents. what is seemingly an aggressive legal tactic and one

rudy guiliani is representing him personally. so that is okay if they decide to make their own call bit. my assertion is if the president hadn't known, we would have is known that by now. rudy guiliani would no longer be out in the media talking about it. somebody would have put the mouth on him. >> i guess my message, please don't understatement the two guys. the president wants to put this behind him. he wants to put this legal matter behind him. the whole issue of the investigation they would like to put behind him. he has an amazing agenda that he would like to execute. what i find fascinating about this, during all the distractions he was executing a game plan for the american people that's going quite well. >> brought it on himself. he talks about it. that is going to spur scrutiny. in terms of how he gets rid of this, rudy guiliani spoke to that on fox as well. i want to get your take. >> i believe that attorney general session, be, my good friend, is and rosenstein, who i don't know, are in this investigation. there has b

rudy guiliani is still trying to get the story straight. the newest lawyer said president trump could defy a special counsel subpoena and the president could invoke the fifth amendment to avoid testifying in the russia probe. giuliani said he does not know when he learned of the $130,000 hush money payment to stormy daniel. and concedes it is possible that he paid off other women for the president. >> the president's allies are rallying around comments in the case of paul manafort. they are saying he is should not have unfettered power. president ae president's cia. that pell wanted out but they quinned her not to. she will face tough questions on wednesday. let's begin the scircus today live at the without. you're in the right place. >> reporter: the president was relatively silent over the weekend but his lawyer, rudy guiliani, certainly was not. instead of clearing things up, rudy guiliani raised new question about whether or not the president has made hush money to other women and whether or not he will invoke his fifth amendment right

i think rudy guiliani is out there free-lancing an awful lot. i was told by a source familiar with the legal team that they're very happy he's out there free-lancing because it is has been cathartic for the president to have him out there. doesn't help him much with bob mueller now, the special counsel, but rudy guiliani is out there doing what the president wants him to do. but in terms of the question and the story that dana broke yesterday about whether you can indict a sitting president, getting a direct answer, i think he wanted it out there for one reason and that is that his legal team believes that you can therefore, and you're the lawyer here, i'm not, that you can therefore not subpoena the president to testify if he cannot be charged with a crime. so say they were going to be talking about obstruction. why would you have to know his state of mind, for example, if you're never going to charge him with it. this will be one of the arguments clearly that they would make if bob mueller wants him to testify. >> what do you say? >> first thi

if you see rudy guiliani will start to go negative on michael cohen. the president himself will go negative on michael cohen. they are panicked that michael cohen is cooperating with the southern district here in new york. >> you know, the mayor's logic, though, talking about this payment, going on on tv to do it publicly, he said it's a way of getting ahead of the story. julie, is there logic for that? do you see any reason for that? >> from a p.r. perspective, he contradicted the president and then the president went and contradicted him. so i'm not sure it's a great strategy. from a legal strategy, it's very puzzling strategy because he exposed did the to new questions from the mueller investigation as to what he knew and what he was doing with the money that he was funneling, using rudy guiliani's words. they have to deem with tal with aspect and the legal exposure giuliani expoed for the president. >> i want to pivot to north korea and talk about the comments he made about that, saying the u.s. hostages would be released on thursday. it did not ha

. >> rudy guiliani made more news late today. he told the pbs news hour the special counsel's team communicated last night with the president's lawyers, he says they're narrowing down questions for him. whether that agrees whether the president agrees to be questioned. he says it looks more hopeful than a day or so. our gloria borger has more on that. first her report, our best inside look at the investigation, itself. >> reporter: experiencing team mueller up close is no walk in the park. >> it's intense. you know, first of all they ask to peck you up at a nearby hole, because they want to sneak you in the back door. that's the way they want to drop you off when they're done. it's a friendly environment. they're professional. i wouldn't could them polite. >> reporter: but they are well informed. >> they know more about the trump campaign than any single person that's worked there. that's because they have everybody's documents the mueller investigation than anybody who does. anybody that citizen i sits with them need to be mindf

rudy guiliani claiming their release ras imminent. the white house says it can't confirm that and the president is only saying, stay tuned. live now to the korean peninsula, cnn's paula hancocks. paula, any signs that a release of these three americans is imminent? >> reporter: brianna, there is some confusion about that comment from rudy giuliani that it would be on thursday. what we're hearing here is an official familiar with the ongoing negotiations saying the release of the three is imminent. there's no more specific timing. but that it is imminent. and it has been months in the making, we understand from this official, that re wrong hoe, the north koreaen minister, went to the peninsula in march and proposed these detainees be released, although the u.s. does not want it links to denuclearization. at this point there's though confirmation it could be anything more than imminent. we heard from u.s. president donald trump saying there could be good developments that will be announced shortly. it wasn't the specified what those dev

is rudy guiliani right? a sitting president cannot be indicted and when robert mueller have told him that? >> this is one of the gray unanswered questions of constitutional law. the supreme court has never addressed this question. no prosecutor has tried to indict a president. there is justice department guidance going back to the 1970s that says a president cannot be indicted. and that seems to be the general consensus view, but we don't know that for sure. it is quite possible that mueller said we will follow that guidance. we are not going to indict the president if we have evidence. we will turn over this information if we have it to congress and let the impeachment process go forward. >> interesting side note on that is the longest commission study on this, as you guys know, was done by ken starr. that found that the president could be indicted because no one is above the law. that's where the famous quote comes from. it raises the question that you come to the conclusion that you want in the moment. ke

guiliani everything and rudy guiliani is telling that to "fox & friends"? >> well, just to give you an example of how much senior staffers in the trump white house were kept completely in the dark on this until the moment it actually happened on sean hannity's show wednesday evening, there were at least two white house officials who were messaging me as the episode was going on, one of whom very bluntly asked, is he supposed to be doing this? there were so many people at the senior ranks kept in the dark that they were genuinely surprised and caught off guard that rudy was going out there and saying all these things. they didn't know if it was sanctioned by the president at the time. we quickly found out afterwards that it was. but this is a bit of a fly by the seat of your pants legal strategy that oftentimes keeps people including don mcgahn and emmet flood out of the loop. and it begs the question, is that the wisest legal strategy for a president of the united states who is in such a legal multifaceted mine field. >> let's ask the former prosecutor, ren

>> i used to have a lot of respect for rudy guiliani. he show the some significant leadership around 9/11, but this guy's lost it. he's no longer ready for primetime and he doesn't know what the law is, by the way, as it relates to campaign finance law. you asked why would he admit it? because he doesn't understand what he's admitting. rudy guiliani thinks the only way you can have a campaign finance violation is if su use campaign funds to pay the $130,000. anything who knows anything about campaign innocence law knows that's not true. this guy's a former prosecutor, u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he's going to demean the men and women of the fbi by calling them storm troopers and making nazi references? it's an outrage to the people that wear the badge that put their lives on the line day in and day out for our safety, chris. he should be embarrassed by his comments. furthermore, michael cohen complemented the fbi as it related to how they handled the search warrants and how professional they were. these guys are

rudy guiliani knows better. he spent a lot of his life in the justice department -- >> then why is he saying this? >> he is defending his client and this is the language his client wants to hear. but that lapping wapblg crosses a line to me. and the stormroopers comment crosses a line. foer u.s.ttorney rudy guiliani knows better. when he was appointed, a lot of people praised the appointment. let's not get spun up by this. >> people have given money to democrats and republicans. we have the records. for him to say they are all democrats, that's also -- >> not true. >> also on your analogy, lucy moves the football, she's moving it closer to charlie brown in this analogy. >> it is a metaphorical football. just making it harder for them to do their job. everything is to gum up the works and muck it up. if he wanted to finish the investigation, you know how you do it? you send the president in. >> i guess. if we're not @ that point. >> they have been asking for a month. >> you're the expert here. >> if mueller were

what specifically did rudy guiliani give you in terms of ammunition? >> there's no question it's gotten considerably stronger even gotten stronger this morning. the more they talk, the better our case gets. here is why. because they can't keep their stories straight, they can't keep their lives straight, keep providing further explanations upon explanation because they don't want to tell the american people the truth about what happened here. you just heard kellyanne conway state that basically no doesn't mean no. they are now redefining what the word no means on air force one, trying to reshape the answer to that question. margaret, i have to tell you i would urge people to go back take a look at the statement that michael cohen issued back in late february or early march where he denied basically that mr. trump had reimbursed the payment, he claimed he had done it all on his own. we now know that was an absolutely at the time he was representing the president. it's clear to people what was going on here. it's a cover up. >> brennan: you have called t

what does rudy guiliani do? is he trump's lawyer? is he just a guy he talks to on the phone sometimes, tells him to go out and spin a pr strategy instead of a legal strategy? same with jay goldberg. what is his role? does he advise the president in a legal capacity or is he someone else the president calls before he goes to bed at night, similar to sean hannity. we just don't know. >> you put it well. john, let me pass it to you. she puts it well. diving into the metaphysical kae metaphysicalality to give counsel, he got into the white house by ignoring most advice. john, if you have a tailor but you tell the tailor you want a three piece suit that's also a swimsuit, even a good tailor will be at a loss. >> well, exactly. i think natasha raises the right point about what exactly the roles of these people are. rudy guiliani in a story about his separation from his law firm a few days ago said one of the things he liked about being free of the law firm, presumably about being president trump's attorney, he hadn't been able to be on tel

certainly the former mayor, rudy guiliani, incertaining cohen got the money from the president. listen here. >> he was definitely reimbursed. no doubt about it. >> why did he say he wasn't? >> maybe, maybe -- first of all, if we had to defend this, as not being a campaign contribution, i think we can do that. this was for personal reasons. this was the president had been hurt personally. not politically, personally so much. and the first lady. by some of the false allegations. that one more false allegation, six years old. i think he was trying to help the family. >> after his statement, sean hannity, i had a midnight conversation with rudy guiliani, he walked me through the thinking behind this whole hinge. he told me while this is likely going to be embarrassing, that the president kept this retainer fund for michael cohen going, what it does is speaks to the very heart of the case that guiliani and the president's legal team believe the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york is building against cohen. and that is that he might have been involved in some sort of i

rudy guiliani saying things and muddying the waters further. that was not a step forward. >> no, i think trump trusts guiliani, he's one of his foot soldiers in the swamp. but guiliani started a few days ago. they need to sit down and get their facts straight before anyone addresses the press. to jake's point, the american people know what is going on. this investigation has become an up limited fishing expedition. how many more tense of millions of taxpayer dollars do we need to spend on. this it's been a year. we don't have any evidence of russian collusion. i think most people in the country see what's going on and starting to roll their eyes. >> we have five guilty pleas. >> melissa: we will be back in a bit with more. hold that for now. any moment now, president trump will be speaking at the national rifle association's annual convention in dallas. we'll bring it to you live. plus nbc news is forced to walk back its bombshell report that the president's personal lawyer, michael cohen's, phones were wire tapped. our power panel weighs in. t

they were explosive remarks by rudy guiliani. i wonder how democrats treat this. i find it interested that they have avoided talking about stormy daniels. they want the pleasant to get in his own way. it is a fascinating case of this resistance-prone era, can they stay silent? i think they should keep resisting the temptation. >> they don't want to run on impeachment, but they're going to have to. >> i'm going to say the biggest story of the entire trump presidency is the courts. the president confirmed 15 appellates who have the last word on the vast majority of law. half in their 40s, the other half in their 50s. they are lifetime appointed. six more are coming up. staunch conserve is actives in the federalist society that want to dramatically limit what kind of on federal powers the government can assert under the constitution. this will be a huge, huge impact on the law for generations to come. >> after you wrote that story, i had leader mcconnell on my radio show. president obama appointed 49 justices over eight years. by the end of this year, it's going to b

guiliani has been, as imprecise as rudy guiliani has been. is lacking in command of the facts as he's been. and this is all playing out on an international stage on television. i'd be really worried about that. the other thing is of course this is just about politics. this is just a political brawl under the guise of legal representation. i love this description of this kind of legal under world that rudy guiliani says he's part of. you know, jeffrey and i know a lot of lawyers and some of the best in the country. guess what people, they don't operate this way because it's not how it is is done without the client's consent and paying hush money. it's garbage. >> but trump likes him being on offense. especially when you put the attributes out there, loose, imprecise and often wrong on the facts. he's got the right client. >> you're hired! >> let's talk about what vice president pence said to nbc news and for the first time seemed to really issue his own verdict on the mueller investigation. so here's the vice president. >> it's been about a ye

we heard rudy guiliani talking de-nuclearization. we haven't heard details from the president. hearing there is an envoy, officials in new york, what does this tell you about the phase of this potential you know summit to be? >> reporter: so it's a good sign this delegation is entering north korea him these talks are critical and what sort of dekaled the meeting blowing up this week, there were supposed to be talks between us u u.s. and nrk north korean officials last week. the north koreans didn't show up. i think it's critical whether they're a supporter, are these talks the next few days involving this american delegation seriously negotiating on the parameters of the talks and that is the critical thing, because there has been a lot of signaling, statements by the president, by kim jong-un, no one has gotten into the details of these talks yet. >> so one of the issues in place whether north korea will come out strong enough. listen to what senator rubio and jeff flake had to say today. >> i think we have to live with that. i think the north koreans realize total de-nucleari

but rudy guiliani is new to the legal team. in fact, he told bob costa, that he did this with the president's blessing, this revelation that he had made the payment. what is the mind-set about this legal strategy going forward? is there a clear one that has now emerged after what we've seen in the past 24 hours? >> honestly, what i've seen is nothing resembling a coherent legal strategy. what i keep seeing is just a lot of mud being thrown up against the wall to see what sticks. it's really hard to see a legal team that is working together in a coordinated way here. this was not a carefully crafted statement by jewgiuliani. it was not handled in a way they think was helpful. frankly, brought attention to a case that has been put on hold by the judge. a very stupid legal move. >> natasha, i'm going to give you a chance to respond as well. go ahead. >> i was going to say, i have no doubt that rudy giuliani and donald trump are talking about these things privately and not looping in the rest of the white house on this legal strate

is what what rudy guiliani is doing. what he is doing is making it appear the president is very willing to testify. is trying to reach an agreement with the special counsel to do so. so that if in the end he ends up not testifying, they look like they have made a good faith effort and the president can then place the blame elsewhere rather than on himself. >> this is very interesting, jeffrey toobin, make it appear as if the president wants to sit down. make it look like these are good faith negotiations. they're increasingly every day that passes it seems to 93 this show, the rudy guiliani show is an entity itself. it's not a means to an end. he's not there creating an outcome with robert mueller. he is there to create this show which is a part of the larger political argument. >> right. what the president said he wants better tv lawyers. now he has a good lawyer who is making two points, one as gloria is saying, the president really wants to testify. >> we don't know for a fact. he says he wants. he wants us to think.

literally according to rudy guiliani. i turn to joyce vance, and michael waldman. joyce, what do you make of the -- they used to call it nondenial denial of this nonclarifying clarification? >> so at the end of the day rudy can characterize these events and these payments however he wants to. it's not -- not a criminal violation is what he's saying, but it doesn't really matter to the investigators in the southern district of new york. they will look at the facts and they'll make a decision about whether this is a criminal sort of a campaign finance violation or something regulatory that they should send to their colleagues at the federal election commission for regulatory which is not a criminal sort of follow-up. but this effort to characterize it and recharacterize it and change the facts really comes to nothing because the facts are already baked in. it's already happened. investigators will track it down and this i think will end up being something of a sideshow. >> it's a sideshow, but it goes to the sort of endless

i think it speaks volumes of the before and after picture of rudy guiliani the rudy guiliani back in the day, i'm old enough to remember actually broke down a crooked politician on the stand during cross and got him to confess the rudy guiliani that we see now, ari, is like willie mays playing for the mets, it's like somebody's crazy uncle they don't let ut at thanksgiving. rudy back in the day, now if he's not too far gone understands you are building the case, any case, whether in the sdny or the mueller crew from the bottom up. and every time another shoe drops, every time you break news on this show about the latest in this symbrolio, it means the footsteps are getting louder the collars are getting more on this play. >> speaking of breaking news, i will cut in. i have more. i want to thank you, brian weiss for joining us. i want to bring mia wiley back in. i was just handed the first most detailed response of michael cohen and his legal team here to all these allegations from mr. avenotti. i want to tell you what we have. we have been promising we would by the as we got it. the

we hear about the other $400,000 from rudy guiliani. all we know is the president paid $130,000 to stormy daniels to buy her silence. a whole lot of money is unaccounted for. we know how it got there and don't know where it went. for prosecutors, it's always about follow the money. >> jonathan, you've been following this. how does this overlap? i've been watching the way the trump, the bill clinton investigation of whitewater ended up merging into paula jones which merged into lewinsky. that went on for four years. for all conservatives complaining about a one-year investigation of a president, your investigation went four years. nobody complained at the end of the first quarter and blew the whistle and said stop the game back then. this time around they are. we'll talk about that. where does mueller find his way into this? somehow i believe had he something to do with the new york office of the u.s. attorneys going after this case in the first place. it all seems to be somewhat related. >> he referred it to them. >> he referred it and

chris enters views rudy guiliani and alisyn camerota is in windsor. have a great weekend. >> it looks like the trump campaign may, in fact, have been surveilled. >> they will make any claim that serves the president. they are not backing up any of these claims. the american people have a right to know the entire scope of an investigation into the guy they elected president. >> the day that we can't protect human sources is the day the american people start becoming less safe. >> donald trump owes it to the american people to answer questions. >> we had the first communications. it was a good faith attempt to really narrow the focus. ♪ >> the excitement is growing here in windsor. >> the newlyweds will be met by thousands of their fans. >> a woman who is biracial. it represents a real change. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". it is friday, may 18th, 6:00 in new york. look at the beautiful alisyn camerota in the picturesque back drop o

finally, should rudy guiliani be out there talking about these things? he said the other day he has been on this media tour. yet he's only made it about halfway through learning the facts of the case. you know, it's really important to learn the facts. >> when he learns this one today, thanks to the media, he's going to choke on it. there is no way he can explain it. how can you disentangle the russians paying a half million bucks to shut up to be blunt about to it. hush up somebody who has a story to tell about their relationship with the president of the united states? this is -- collusion. this is a collision of stories. i didn't expect to get tonight in the midst of this iranian deal. the fact that he's killed the iranian deal the fact that he is now facing the charge that his problem, his sexual relationship he was trying to keep quiet has been paid off by a russian oligarch. >> chris, if i can take a guess how guiliani might try to explain this him he might get back to the talking point we heard over the weekend that $130,000 is no big deal to some

rudy guiliani knows that full well. so i don't think this hyperbolic play, this is designed to appeal to his base. it doesn't comport with reality into the investigation. >> it feels like the september 1st arbitrary date is more spaghetti they try to throw at the wall to see what sticks in terms of undermining the investigation. it feels like every day some sort of new effort at why it is not legitimate or why we should be suspect of it. however, on the flip side, does jewel appy have a point that after september 1st it does get dangerously close to tainting the midterms and mueller does need to be aware of the date of the release. i mean, maybe holding it until after the midterm elections. what about that? >> i think mueller is already aware there are standing doj regulations first in place by mccasey and rubber stamped by eric holder because it was so universal. i don't think mueller is enlightened by the statement that rudy guiliani has provided for him. i think he was aware he had to do it before or wait until after

it's been a month since donald trump hired rudy guiliani as his personal lawyer and trub ba door. since then he embarked 0 a sustained media campaign to divert attention from the facts of mueller's investigation. which has secured so far five guilty pleas and 19 count them, 19 indictments. giuliani is now calling for an end to the investigation on his own word i guess. and an apology. he wants an apology to the president. let's watch. >> the whole investigation is totally legitimate. how about what jeff sessions has done to him. >> what. >> jeff sessions has stuck him with a special counsel because he didn't stand up. you can't indict. >> you've said it should be wrapped up. do you believe it should be wrapped up overall or just as it pertains in any way to president trump? >> i think it should be wrapped up completely. in fact, they should apologize for putting him through this. >> modern day giuliani stands in stark contrast to a decidedly more muted version of the former mayor of new york who appeared on pbs during the 1998 starr investigation. >> under the criminal law, everyb

the president has been advised by rudy guiliani, hands off the d.o.j. until you're no longer a subject of their investigation. >> that was jim jordan on "overtime" with me yesterday. he said it isn't that it doesn't normally happen, it's that we never know it's happening. he said they handle this in a very quiet, backroom way. >> correct. >> so that republicans and republicans or democrats and democrats can work it out. this is now ostentatious. it's out in the open. it's showy. because they're not getting what they want. a.g. sessions recused himself. >> i want to ask kennedy about the justice department's reputation at this point. the fbi and d.o.j. have been under so much scrutiny, rightly so, a lack of transparency, even if it's warranted, seems not to help build up the reputation which they have lost over the past two years. >> i agree completely. i understand, there may be legal precedent and may be safeguards in place for the department of justice. but it also feels like they're hiding behind him. they have a punker mentality, hiding behind an ow

now, rudy guiliani revealing president trump reimbursed his long-time lawyer michael cohen for that $130,000 payment to the adult film star. guiliani says the president did not know the money was going to daniels. and insists nothing illegal happened on behalf of his campaign. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith, host of kennedy on fox business, kennedy. hoe coast of cox fox and friends weekend abby huntman. fox news analyst marie harff. and editor and choef of the daily caller news foundation chris bedford. he is outnumbered. i joke i'm sitting next to kennedy, i'm going to uncontrolly giggle or laugh during this hour. >> yea! >> welcome. >> thanks for having me back. >> good to have you back. rudy juliany saying president trump repaid his lawyer michael cohen for unspecified expenses. mr. trump was unaware the money was going to daniels and didn't become aware until after the case went public. the announcement raising any questions since quo hen previously said he did not receive reimbursement for the payment. guiliani weighing in earlier today. >> it was definitely reimbursed. no doub

. >> brennan: rudy guiliani said he's not an expert on the facts yet. why is the president authorized him to speak like this? >> the president -- one thing i do want to say to you, margarets the president told me just yesterday that when he said no on air force one last month, he's talking about when the payment occurred. that he was not aware of the payment to ms. daniels when the payment occurred. that is consistent with his tweets from a couple of days ago, president had lot to say about this matter. he says this is a private matter, had nothing to do with campaign funds that there is an nda in full force and effect, he believes that ms. daniels and her lawyer have violated. that may go to arbitration. also repeats that this is a false claim. and he also says that michael cohen had basically discretion to use funds that had nothing do do with the campaign how he saw fit as his attorney at that time. >> brennan: in an interview last night on fox news, rudy deguiliani says the payment was a campaign expenditure. is that what you would characterize as?

i think rudy guiliani got this part of it right. this is a person who has been looking out for the president. i don't know when mrs. dans -- most people know her as stormy daniels was pressing the president for payment supposedly on this agreement. it could have been. >> ten days before the election. >> he wasn't formally part of the campaign. on top of this all of this, very quickly, "the wall street journal" when you read a piece by bradley smith, the former chairman of the federal elections commission, he says even if this payment is made, there's not an fec violation on there. >> why did they throw edwards before the court on that issue. >> it was a completely different situation that was not -- it was not -- those were funds implicated during the campaign. >> why? hush up an affair. >> there is nothing. >> it's exactly the same thing. >> it was not the same thing in any shape way or form. this is a person who are had something to doing with 10, 12 years ago who has zero credibility. >> really? >> you think she made it up. >> sh

the president's attorney, rudy guiliani will join us. he is telling the new york times that special counsel robert mueller is agreeing to limit the scope of the questions and the new york city mayor is saying it could result in a possible july interview and mueller issuing a final report by labor day and the mid- term election. that would be a win for the presidents. mueller's original questions were ridiculous and a perjury trap and what were you thinking. it doesn't matter what he was thinking and today is the one year anniversary of the mueller witch hunt. and so far there is not a single shred of evidence of collusion and that is not against the law. the special counsel is so abusive and corrupt and so conflicted that the president and his legal team are rightly going to offense to solicit the deep state team. congratulations, the president tweeted. we are in the second year of the greatest witch hunt in history and no collusion or obstruction. only collusion is done by the democrats who were unable to win the election despite the sp

you heard rudy guiliani talking about that, what us it legally? >> here's why you can't do it, the constitution is purposefully vague on it. when you look at the 69th federalist by alexander hamilton, you can impeach a president and bring charges before, during or after. but you can't indict or bring criminal charges while he's in office because what the president is doing is so important to the republic you can't distract the president with criminal charges. and he forgot that the investigation itself can be extremely time consuming, costly, and also distracting. that's what we've seen going on here. also, you look at '73, boark wrote an machine where they're citing they can't indict. >> harris: representative biggs what is your take on whether to put pressure on robert mueller and say look, pony up, wrap it up. andrew napolitano was on with us for "outnumbered," he and guiliani have gone back and forth, not mentioning names, the judge says don't put pressure on mueller, guiliani says don't tell me how to run my business. >> i think we should put

president trump attorney rudy guiliani said the russia probe could end up september 1st. he said it all hinges on whether or not the president will sit down for an interview with special counsel. it is interesting. he said, well, wait, if the president sits down, we know giuliani doesn't want the president to sit down. he went on to say if they subpoena him, if they subpoena him, that will be litigation and make a long time. making it clear they would fight any presidential subpoena. this timeline has been extended, extended and extended. what gives? >> the president of the united states fails to understand that it is his own action of delay and prolonging the investigation not only because of his refusal to sit down. but also because every time he tweets, every time his counsel goes out and makes contradictory statements, he invites different scrutiny which happens every time he does that, there are new avenues of investigation to pursue, new corroboration that needs to happen. new information has to be uncovered by the investigative team. they are finally recognizing th

rudy guiliani. always a pleasure. thank you for being with us. >> good to be back. >> we have to get into this full-throated conversation about what you believe is happening with the probe. first, are you okay? >> oh, yeah, i'm fine. i'm absolutely fine. >> what i heard, in the side view mirror you saw a squeegee guy and you opened the door into him. >> i saw chris christie. >> so you're good. that's good to know. this news that you believe that according to special counsel and their investigative team, there may be a narrowing of questions. is that accurate? >> yes, it is. it is accurate as of wednesday night. we received a communication from them. we did go through five letters. we didn't get a response. then they sent us a response. i can't go into detail. but narrowing the subjects for questioning down to about two. >> that list that came out. >> i had five categories. >> all right. that's fair. five, maybe seven. >> three are out. no secret that the whole thing with michael cohen is out, the southern district of

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who knows that, rudy guiliani, former united states attorney for one of the new york districts. a thorough, proper investigation takes a long time. we should welcome it going as long as it needs to. one year mark should mean nothing to the minds of a thinking person. however, i will say that he has produced three legitimate indictments, the young man, vanderhoss going to jail as a result of this investigation. and two other guys that have actually been convicted, been indicted. so it is not as though we have seen nothing, but a thorough investigation, and he has a very, very broad charter drafted by rod rosenstein that allows him to look into russian interference and matters that emanate from that. he has a broad license to investigate a lot of people about a lot of things. i'm happy to see it goes much longer than we thought it might have. >> susan, quickly, thursday we're expecting something according to rudy guiliani. he told nbc news they're going to make a fuss. what do you think he means by that? >> who knows, probably more deflection. we know that rudy guiliani said there

rudy guiliani on the tv shows. as the president tweeting in a tweet storm today. the russia witch hunt is rapidly losing credibility. house intelligence committee found no pollution or anything with russia. okay, what else is there. obstruction made up phony crime. it's called fighting back tom is this seen as a positive for the trump legal team to have rudy guiliani out there swinging? definitely different than where the legal team was. >> correct. i think most people are still trying to figure out whether rudy crazy or crazy like a fox. i happy to think -- i happen to think it's a coordinated campaign. there's a method to the madness. has been quite a spectacle to see him make a statement, pull back and go out make more statement. i think ultimately what rudy is laying the ground work to try and move -- shut off the stormy daniels angle, this isn't a campaign violation. you don't have any room to wiggle there. get focus back on collusion and obstruction where there doesn't seem to be evidence. >> as of now, we don't know. you're right. here is rudy guiliani and

rudy guiliani drops a bombshell, saying the president paid back attorney michael cohen for the $130,000 he gave to porn star stormy daniels. but the president has denied knowing anything about that payment. we have breaking details coming up. >>> police are investigating the explosion of a barn next to a home in connecticut during a police standoff where a man was reportedly holding his wife hostage. up to eight police officers suffered minor injuries. we're told the wife is ok but no word on the suspect. >>> gusting winds, rain, and tornadoes. 20 confirmed tornadoes have touched down in kansas and oklahoma. the wind in chicago ripped the roof right off a four-story apartment building. >>> the boy scouts of america is changing their name. the scouts bsa is making a change as it allows girls in to its organization. those are some of our top stories on thursday, may 3rd. >>> we begin in with the stunning admission from one of the president's top lawyers. giuliani now says president trump repaid the money used to pay stormy daniels. >> as you know, rudy guiliani recently joined the preside

>> reporter: rudy guiliani ratcheting up his criticism of the mueller probe suggesting that mr. trump could defy a potential subpoena to testify before the special counsel. >> we don't have to. he's the president of the united states. we can assert the same privilege other presidents have. the president negotiated a deal. >> refusing to rule out the possibility that the president could invoke fifth amendment rights you. >> how can i be confident of that? when i'm facing a situation with the president and all the other lawyers are and and every other lawyer in america thinks he would be a fool to testify. please don't -- he said it yesterday. and, you know, jay and i said to ourselves my goodness. i hope we get a chance to tell them the risk he's taking. >> this despite repeated criticism of that legal move. >> the mob takes the fifth. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment. >> the new york city mayor doing damage control after contradicting what the president that said in the past. >> do you know where the payment came from? >> no, i don't know. >> the "new y

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