donald trump seems to goad robert mueller. we used to talk why is he not mentioning robert mueller? mueller continues detail, detail. mcgahn, 30 hours. plea deals. drives donald trump batty. >> stick around. more news to follow. sources telling cnn the president is rattled by new reports that the white house counsel don mcgahn provided more than 30 hours of testimony to the special counsel's investigators. >>> plus, a verdict in the trial of president trump's campaign chairman paul manafort could come any minute. stand by. you're in "the situation room." [telephone ring] ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!! like my father before... [telephone ring] like my father before... ahoy-hoy! as long as people talk too loudly on the phone, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. what's critical thinking like? a basketball costs $14. what's team spirit worth? (cheers) what's it worth to talk to your mom? what's the value of a walk in the woods? the value of c

that's what mueller wants to get. and when i hear that giuliani is saying oh, if it goes past september 1st, mueller will be blamed for playing politics and affecting the election. mueller could care less. he would love to affect the election. this is a guy who sat down, looked trump in the face and says basically begging him to appoint him again as director of the fbi and when he doesn't get it, he becomes special counsel of an area he is totally disqualified from because he was fbi director in part of the investigation into russia trying to buy uranium that enabled hillary to get cfius to approve the sale so they could make 125 million. mueller should be investigated. instead, he is the special counsel. this is a guy that doesn't care. he is hoping he will affect the election and screw over the president. >> harris: congressman. >> yes. >> harris: you always manage to break it down to some new category. have you driven us in a lane of flip the switch on robert mueller. and it is interesting where we are right now th

what that means to mueller only mueller knows. it would give 67 aid and comfort to the president this guy who knows a lot who probably doesn't particularly like him had a candid conversation for 30 hours. >> i ask you this question. "the new york times" reported that last summer the president of the united states asked don mcgahn to go fire bob mueller. that's been reported, right? the likelyest question in the world, the conversation he's had with bob mueller, is that the only time the president asked you to fire bob mueller? there is no one who has a sense of donald trump who hasn't watched the arc of this, he has grown more agitate ed about robert mueller. if he tried to fire him last year, he said you didn't fire him the time i told you to. fire him now. it beggars belief he's asked him more than once. >> here's why trump is in so much trouble. when you look at the incompetence of this white house, they have only done one thing well. there is only one competent parliament of this white house and that is the arm of the white ho

>>> mueller's support. two-thirds of americans say they back the special counsel's probe in the first poll taken since the paul manafort and michael cohen convictions. this as the

mueller has the facts. those facts are going to come out one way or another, whether he gets fired or not. then we'll have -- i don't believe impeachment should be politic political. it is political but i don't think it should be. it's a process and i think we should respect the evidence. there is evidence and somebody knows what it is. trump is unfit to serve but that has to be removed if he's going to be removed from office. >> what should be the message from democrats to get the vote out? >> oh donald trump will supply the message to get the vote out. i think democrats ought to stay positive. nobody needs to criticizes donald trump. donald trump has done a great job every day reminding everybody in the country that he's completely unfit to serve. what we need to do is have a strong platform. i like very much where we are. we're having individuals write their own platforms for their districts. we're going to elect individuals who are going to represent their districts whether moderate districts or liberal

why would mueller want to rush? he's not going to finish until he's ready to present the case. >> what do you think is the point or value of a tweet like this from rudy giuliani? glenn made a good point, you did, too, the mueller team is all but ignoring this sort of stuff that we're seeing on twitter. what's the -- who's giuliani talking to? >> his audience is entirely donald trump's political base and the republican senators and house members who are elected by that base, who are going to make a decision about potential impeachment and more importantly conviction in the senate, which requires a two-thirds vote of the senate. say the democrats take back the house, democrats decide to impeach donald trump. only way there's a conviction is if two-thirds of the senators, which means a significant number of republicans, vote to convict. and right now their base thinks this investigation is entirely illegitimate and part of the reason is because rudy giuliani and donald trump say so every day, and their amen corner in t

mueller needs him. mueller is putting together his case brick by brick by brick and is very methodical and very careful and the noose is tightening. >> frank, guiliani said it tonight, trump's name was not mentioned, had nothing to do with trump, i heard this from people. elizabeth is saying if manafort is convicted this make the mueller case stronger. >> a verdict in the manafort case is not an all or nothing equation for the special counsel. it's absolutely important for at least three reasons, first, as you already discussed, is a possibility manafort at some time, even post conviction could indeed flip. he could have enough of the baloney sandwiches and protein loaf in prison and he could get a reduction for significant cooperation. secondly, gates. to the extent the manafort case used gates as a key witness, gates is still important for the next manafort trial being a foreign agent. i think gates has volumes to say about that. if we lose the first trial, if they get an acquittal, gates is a credibl

robert mueller might do. quote, "law enforcement officials who have worked with mr. mueller a long time federal prosecutor and the head of the fbi believe that he will try to use every tool he has to get the president to answer questions and that he will probably subpoena him to testify if he does not agree to be questioned voluntarily." okay. that's one possibility. and trump lawyers offered "the new york times" another very credible possibility this time, saying some of mr. trump's lawyers believe that mr. mueller will not subpoena their client out of fear of losing a court fight that could undermine the investigation's legitimacy to the public. and so robert mueller is approaching a very difficult decision point, probably the most difficult decision point that he will face in his investigation of the president of the united states. and now to answer the question of what robert mueller will do, what robert mueller should do, we are now joined by jill wine-banks and glen kersner. thank you for being here 44

mueller have? talking to you mr. mueller. exactly what questions that you have, where you seek to turn this country upside-down and disenfranchise the over 60 million people who voted for this president of the united states. you are a play thing of the media, play thing of the democrats, play thing of people within the obama administration who sought from dale one to take this president down. >> the real story here is not that this case is going to fizzle, it's going to blowup on them. the real question is what we talked about before, there's a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. a lot more to the obstruction of justice to the collusion, to the fake dots yeah. >> oh i know a lot. >> trying to bring smooel homerun steele back in after he was completely discredited. >> and then feed it to mueller. >> yeah, mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. >> jeanine: that was attorney for the president, rudy juliani and mark levin on this program, both with tough words for special counsel robert mueller. joining

mueller have? talking to you mr. mueller. exactly what questions that you have, where you seek to turn this country upside-down and disenfranchise the over 60 million people who voted for this president of the united states. you are a play thing of the media, play thing of the democrats, play thing of people within the obama administration who sought from dale one to take this president down. >> the real story here is not that this case is going to fizzle, it's going to blowup on them. the real question is what we talked about before, there's a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. a lot more to the obstruction of justice to the collusion, to the fake dots yeah. >> oh i know a lot. >> trying to bring smooel homerun steele back in after he was completely discredited. >> and then feed it to mueller. >> yeah, mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. >> jeanine: that was attorney for the president, rudy juliani and mark levin on this program, both with tough words for special counsel robert mueller. joining

and convince mueller and mueller's team that they're wrong. i actually think that that times report sounds spot-on to me. >> and, david, the man who is now saying today that they should end the mueller investigation said this about james comey. this is december 2017. he said i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn. and if there is anything that is credible about donald trump, it's that he asks people to stop investigations as he did today publically. >> you know, i run a burrow of 20 people. if i say to someone, you shouldn't write this story, in my mind, i'm instructing them to write this story, and i expect to see the story. but, you know, without getting caught in semantics, this is what the beginning of a constitutional crisis looks like. the president of the united states asking or telling the attorney general who is recused to unrecuse himself and stop an investigation that seems to be getting even closer to trump and his inner circle. we get distracted by the outlandish drapings that come out on these decisions and then we get b

mueller is very smart, and the president is the worst possible witness and will make mueller's case for perjury that much easier just because of the way he simply cannot control what he says. >> when we talk about mueller, according to the giuliani team, the president's team, somewhat narrowing their request to focus on the meetings with the russians, which is conspiracy to commit election fraud or whatever, to meddle, to hack, whatever you want to call it, and then also separately the obstruction, going back to comey and a lot of the other sort of nexus of comments, statements, pressure. most recently, this extraordinary tweet storm yesterday against both jeff sessions and mueller. what do you make of that, if those are the things that mueller is really zeroing in on? >> i think the negotiation is very much in mueller's interest. if this comes to a fight over a subpoena, mueller wants to present to the court his effort to accommodate the president any way he can. in the same way, trump saying i really want to do this but my lawyers won't allow me, mueller wants to show that he's trying

important to mueller. so mcgadon mcgahn with the two s that he has been there had the front row seat to a lot of the dealings, a lot of things that the president didscrutinized. >> thank you very much. and joining us now, a democratic senator of hi, key membawaii. senator, do you believe that the president is actually pushing out don mcgahn as part of an overall a effort to end the entire mueller probe? >> i know the president keeps trying to end the mueller probe, but anything that he does with regard to the mueller probe can be deemed part of an obstruction. so he should be very careful. on the other hand, we know don mcgahn had talked to the special counsel people for 30 hours. and now with the departure, he could very well be brought before the mueller people to ask what else. so anything that the president discusses with mcgahn now could be part of whatever further questions the mueller people have. >> do you think those 30 hours of testimony will be key to the mueller investigation. >> i think it wil

that is disqualifying for mueller. and mr. mueller has a lot of conflict, also, directly yourself. so you know that mr. mueller is highly conflicted. in fact, comey is like his best friend. i could go into conflict after conflict. but sadly, mr. mueller is conflicted. but let him write his report. we did nothing. there is no collusion. but if he was doing an honest report, he would write it on the other side because, when you look at accurately and you look at problems, take a look at what they did, including colluding with the russians, the other side. >> judge jeanine: also tonight today was the second day of deliberations in the paul manafort trial. the jury has not yet delivered a verdict. they deliberated though for over 14 hours. the trial is now in recess until monday morning. president trump was asked about the manafort trial today and here's what he had to see you about it. >> i think the whole manafort trial is very sawed. when you look at what's going on there. i think it's a very sad day for our country. he worked for me for a very short period of time. but you know wha

mueller's totally conflicted. his 17 angry democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to the usa." what are we looking at there? we're seeing the public part. what else is trump doing to shut down the probe in private tonight? that's a big question. you can also see how this is evidence of obstruction that concerns even trump's own lawyers because their argument today was hey, no, trump did not say what he said, that his call to stop the probe was not really a call to stop the probe, not an order. mueller's investigators may disagree with that. they are probing how the president talks to and pressures the doj. one democrat a former prosecutor, spoke to how this all fits into criminal intent. >> clearly there statement is serious and substantial evidence of criminal intent. even if it doesn't constitute a crime itself. the president is coming close to actual committing the crime of obstruction of justice if not crossing that line already. and these tweets adding to each other amount to evidence of crimi

the person in the driver seat is robert mueller. it is not donald trump and it isn't rudy giuliani who keeps changing his story to try to spin his way out of this. >> clearly the president is deeply concerned about what is going on. he would like to know what mueller has, as well. >>> let's turn to another sensitive issue, devon nunes told republican donors that the republicans have to keep the majority in the house of representatives in order to protect the president from mueller. listen to this. we have to keep all of these seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority all of this goes away. >> did he just say out loud something that members of congress are not supposed to say? >> yeah. absolutely. look, he went into that fundraiser for a political reason which is okay, completely legal. and he is making a political argument. also okay in the broad sense. but the fact of the matter is devon nunes, the argument he is making is members of congress don't work for the constituents that sent them. they work to pro

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bob mueller is totally conflicted. the president going on to say this is a disgrace to the united states of america. sarah sanders was pressed on this by multiple reporters during the briefing earlier toochld here's what she had to say. >> it's not an order, it's the president's penalties. it's ridiculous all of the corruption an dishonesty that's gone on with the launching of the witch hunt. the president is not obstructing. he's fighting back. >> reporter: now, of course, it's obviously not a witch hundred. it's a let legitimate investigation that's resulted in prosecution and got please and paul manafort, the president's campaign chairman is on trial over his business dealings. there are concerns in the trump world with the prosecutors squeezing paul manafort, he may flip against the president. all of that may be motivating this behavior on behalf of mr. trump. rudy guiliani, the outside lawyer, he was asked about this the president he said was just exercising his right to defend himself. here's what guiliani lad ho

again, lying to the mueller investigation. according to a report, byron york, it appears papadopoulos, in his 20s, not only played a small role in the campaign. i followed this campaign closely. i had never heard of him. but also played a small role in mueller's ongoing witch hunt. papadopoulos has not been charged with any crime created to russia collusion, campaign conspiracy, but his life is now turned upside down. and just like manafort and others, it looks like michael cohen, we will have plenty more on that story, his wife will join us tonight. now let's turn to another update from the mueller target ball manafort jury deliberations still underway. three full days now in the 2005 bank fraud case. the media is now looking at this as the trial of the century. it's not. manafort facing counts and a potential life in prison over charges that have nothing to do with russia, collusion, the campaign or donald trump. see a pattern here? manafort, papadopoulos, others. if they have just become pawns, really just ponds in robert m

that is disqualifying for mueller. and mr. mueller has a lot of conflict, also, directly yourself. so you know that mr. mueller is highly conflicted. in fact, comey is like his best friend. i could go into conflict after conflict. but sadly, mr. mueller is conflicted. h but let him write his report. we did nothing. there is no collusion. but if he was doing an honest report, he would write it on the other side because, when you look at accurately and you look at problems, take a look at what they did, including colluding with the russians, the other side. >> judge jeanine: also tonight today was the second day of deliberations in the paul manafort trial. the jury has not yetod delivered a verdict. they deliberated though for over 14 hours. the trial is now in recess until monday morning. president trump was asked about the manafort trial today and here's what he had to say about it. >> i think the whole manafort trial is very sawed. when you look at what's going on there. i think it's a very sad day for our country. he worked for me for a very short period of time. but you know wha

mueller, please call us. i got ask on morning joe, why not just go to mueller. didn't really get a straight answer on that. >> they have phones. heilman? >> there is no one i've paid attention to more than emily jane fox. she's inside mueller's head than any reporter. one of the things you've read, nothing about yesterday, as shocking as it was, is surprising. she said at the very top of the show. michael cohen is throwing donald trump under the bus. that's a colloquial way of putting it. if you read the art of the story, he came to understand as we saw yesterday, if he did not make some kind of deal, he could be in jail 40 years, right? he's not going to go to jail for 40 years for donald trump. that sentence might be five years if he works out, this cooperation agreement gets settled, bob mueller eventually walks in in december when the sentencing come up, he's been helpful to us, i'd like to recommend he has probation in six months. that is the game for him. how do i play this game out -- >> wait, wait, wait. >> so i don't have to go to jail at all. >> it's n

robert mueller. trump wanted mcgahn's help in having mueller fired. mcgahn refused, even threatening to quit if trump went through with the firing. which some in congress suggest would trigger a political tempest if not impeachment proceedings. the bottom line, don mcgahn talked with mueller's team for more than 230 hours. investigators rarely talk to anyone that long unless they're hearing something interesting. that's why the president should be worried. even as he says he's not. don? >> tom foreman, thank you so much. here to discuss, former u.s. attorney guy lewis and cnn legal analyst and defense attorney, shan wu. gentlemen, good evening to you. guy, i'm going to start with you. we got flynn, comey, sessions. tom foreman laid it all out. don mcgahn knows a lot and spent 30 hours talking to mueller's team. how dangerous do you think he is to president trump? >> don, i think that mcgahn is potentially a bombshell witness. no kidding. look, i did this for a long time and very seldom, very seldom, did i get an opportunity to actually interview and p

while mueller did hand off the investigation of cohen himself, mueller's team has continued to investigate how cohen fits into the larger picture, asking witnesses about cohen's involvement in the trump campaign itself, well after the april raid on cohen's property, which of course is when things shifted to new york, stretching into may they were asking witnesses if cohen did his own personal business while he worked for trump, and why such a loyal lawyer for donald trump, never got a job in the trump white house. now, that last question, in this new report's important because it could be ominous for the trump white house. it goes to who knew what about cohen's legal problems. did people at the white house know about these new crimes that cohen has confessed to. were they part of them? did they want to keep him out of the white house for that very reason? because it was always curious that trump did not find any government role for cohen. consider these high profile departures from the trump administration, their hiring policy is pretty loose and has a lot of people coming and going. cohen

robert mueller. trump wanted mcgahn's help in having mueller fired. mcgahn refused, even threatening to quit if trump went through with the firing. which some in congress suggest would trigger a political tempest if not impeachment proceedings. the bottom line, don mcgahn talked with mueller's team for more than 30 hours. investigators rarely talk to anyone that long unless they're hearing something interesting. that's why the president should be worried. even as he says he's not. don? >> tom foreman, thank you so much. here to discuss, former u.s. attorney guy lewis and cnn legal analyst and defense attorney shan wu. gentlemen, good evening to you. good to have you on. guy, i'm going to start with you. we've got flynn, comey, sessions. tom foreman just laid it all out. don mcgahn knows a lot and spent 30 hours talking to mueller's team. how dangerous do you think he is to president trump? >> don, i think that mcgahn is potentially a bombshell witness. no kidding. look, i did this for a long time and very seldom, very seldom did i get an opportunity t

what mueller is. everybody loved him until this probe didn't start going the way the president likes. now all of a sudden he's suspect. but if he doesn't sit down, it will always be an open question of whether or not he was hiding anything from the american people. fair point? >> fair point. but i would -- sitting in the president's place, i would rather have an open question than have somebody who went to hillary clinton's party and cried when she lost make the decision about whether i'm telling the truth or not. >> that's highly prejudicial, though. if you were going to say that he were lying even if it's just in a report, you've got a standard of proof. that's a crime, perjury. it's not just we believe comey, we don't like you, so we're going to believe him and not you. >> you give reasons why, but ultimately it's a credibility decision, and i wouldn't want the credibility decision made by the people who are staffing that investigation. >> you don't have any concerns if you were representing the pr

if trump refuses to speak with mueller he puts mueller in a position of i'm going to subpoena the president. why would you subpoena the president if you are not going to indict him? mueller might write his report and we know donald trump will write his report. >> his son could get wrapped up into this. >> all the more reason to delay it. >> i think they want it done soon so there isn't this report and somebody doesn't get dragged in front of a grand jury. >> rudy giuliani spoke to dana bash saying he thinks the republicans might benefit from this if it drags on. i'm thinking the continuance of the investigation would help because people are tired of it and the president needs something to energize his voters. nothing would energize more than let's save the president. there is rudy reading his stage directions out loud which is we want to keep this going because it will energize our base. >> i think a part of that is true. he really is about the theater of it all, both of them. that is why giuliani and the president are such a good match because they have a flare for the theater of it all. i

>>> answering mueller. facing the threat of a subpoena, president trump's lawyers present a limited offer to robert mueller for terms of an interview. is the president's legal team negotiating in good faith and why are they so

mueller is highly conflicted. i could go into conflict after conflict. >> i think that the mueller investigation has been totally discredited. >> so on twitter he's been doing quite the same thing, and his typical monicker for the mueller investigation is bob mueller and his angry group of democratic thugs. >> i think there's one factual question here. in fact, i would say it was a mistake. the fox poll that now has mueller's approval rating at 59%, a month ago his approval rating was 48%. >> it is up 11%. >> it has gone up 11% in the last month. that's hardly evidence he's being seriously discredited in recent days. >> right. listen, follow the numbers there. and rudy guilliani told my colleague dana bash that the team has not heard from mueller investigators in nearly three weeks. in his view mueller's office is still studying the letter from team trump. i wonder has mueller concluded the president and his lawyer have no genuine intention of sitting down with the special counsel? >> i think there's a couple of t

again, lying to the mueller investigation. according to a report, byron york, it appears papadopoulos, who was in his 20s, not only played a small role in the campaign. i followed this campaign closely. i had never heard of him. but also played a small role in mueller's ongoing witch hunt. papadopoulos has not been charged with any crime related to russia collusion, campaign conspiracy, but his life is now turned upside down. and just like manafort and others, it looks like michael cohen, we will have plenty more on that story, his wife will join us tonight. now let's turn to another update from the mueller target ball manafort jury deliberations still underway. three full days now in the 2005 bank fraud case. the media is now looking at this as the trial of the century. it's not. manafort facing counts and a potential life in prison over charges that have nothing to do with russia, collusion, the campaign or donald trump. see a pattern here? manafort, papadopoulos, others. they have just become pawns, really just pawns, in ro

that's up to mueller. but what rudy and jay sekulow are trying to lay out is you can't obstruct by tweet. it has to be in the dark of night, it has to be covert. you're not just doing it on twitter. that's just your passing thoughts. that's not an actual act of criminal obstruction. that's what they're campaigning against the whole obstruction idea anyway. is that if it was out in the open, it was just fine. >> yes. >> speaking of twitter, the president tweeted this. this is the most one-sided witch hunt in the history of our country. fortunately, the facts are all coming out and fast. i mean, the truth is, we haven't heard anything from robert mueller. that's about as about tight an operation as you can actually get. what facts might be he referring to? >> i have no idea. he makes up his own facts whenever he wants. but i do think the point that a.b. makes is the most important one. trump went on national tv, on nbc news, and basically to a lot of people admitted obstruction of justice. that he had the mu

mcgan has been at center of a lot of things that mueller is looking into, including trying to fire mueller last summer. something he instructed don mcgahn to do and he refused to do. and people sometimes confuse and blur the line of what mcgahn's role is here. he is the white house counsel, which means he is representing the presidency not the president. but sources tell me the president sometimes confuses those two and often thinks that don mcgahn is abilitying as his own attorney. two thing to note when you note that the special counsel did sit down with the white house counsel for 30 hours. a lot of legal experts have said that's highly unusual. >> he has attacked mueller on twitter 250 times and again, disgraced and discredited. >> that's right. he is continuing to lash out at robert mueller as he is showing frustration over this revelation about don mcgahn. we are seeing that regularly on his twitter feed. also, he is implying that the special counsel could affect the midterm election this is fall. you saw that in his twitter feed today saying it could disrupt the elections, calling h

i doubt you have any idea what mcgahn told mueller. teen was white house counsel for nixon and became a key witness in the watergate scandal. joining me from washington, world news editor for axios, dave lawler. good to have you back with us. let's talk about trump's tweets on john dean's signal he is worried about his lawyer's meeting with the special counsel. what do you think the significance of kind of the subtlety, if you will, between john dean, the reference, and mcgahn. >> according to "the new york times" reporting trump is obsessed with this parallel, this john dean situation and how he was able to taj and ultimately contribute to the takedown of nixon. if i was a president under investigation, i would probably limit the watergate references, but he tends to say the quiet part out loud there i guess. my colleague jonathan swann called john dean after that tweet went out and i'm paraphrasing but dean said something like i hold the president in such low regard that i'm happy to be on his enemy's list, and if he said something n

it's up to mueller. and the big gamble here is the lawyers believe that mueller will in the end -- he doesn't want to drag this out. >> it's a game of chicken. >> dare, whatever you want to call it. we don't know what mueller is thinking. >> this whole obstruction of justice, there are other issues, whether there is financial fraud and collusion. we know obstruction appears to be the main point of contention at this time. jim comey, here is what trump said to lester holt. he has said why he fired comey. here is one of his reasons. >> regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it i said to myself this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. >> so he has answered the question and said regardless of recommendation and other times he said it is the recommendation of rod rosenstein. saying asking the question of why did you fir

well, if you want to talk to bob mueller, talk to bob mueller. and if you have nothing to hide, then hide nothing. but this has been going on and on and on, nicolle, to the point it seems pretty clear to me that if mueller wants to hear from the president, it's going to have to be pursuant to a subpoena under oath and in a grand jury. now, of course, there is another question, which is would he be permit today do that. would the deputy attorney general who is overseeing this investigation permit that. my guess is that he would. i hope they do. the mueller team, the investigators and the prosecutors, are entitled to all the lawful evidence they can acquire. >> and, paul butler, rod rosenstein has shown himself and deputy, on the side of the facts here. they have showcased, i guess, the indictments when mueller has had indictments. rod rosenstein did that last press conference with some very, very, thinly veiled swipes at the circus atmosphere among the president's allies in congress. the attacks on the probe and whatnot. i wonder if you agree with

mueller's team. what did don mcgahn reveal to the special counsel. >>> charges expected. prosecutors are maybe days away from announcing criminal charges against michael cohen four months after the feds raided the president's long time fixer. will that seal a deal for cohen to flip. >>> and be bested by melania. the first lady makes a new appeal against cyber bullying despite complaints she's married to the cyberbullier in chief. was she ignoring the president's behavior or sending him a message. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i am wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we are following breaking news on a new interview with president trump laying out some conditions for potentially easing sanctions on russia. sources tell cnn he is feeling unnerved by new revelations on the russian investigation. he was unaware of the full extent of the white house counsel's discussions with robert mueller's team that lasted more than 30 hours. i'll get reaction from the top democrat on the house armed services committee, congressman a

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should mueller agree to that? >> what you're seeing on the president's lawyers' part is some posturing about these negotiations. they've now been going on if reports are accurate for months and what you're seeing from director mueller and his team is an effort to proceed in good faith to try and get information about the events that took place, both before and during the initial part of the president's term. so i think both sides are engaging in this. i think director mueller's looking to do this in good faith and trying to get as full a picture and set of facts as he can. >> but if the interview negotiations fall apart, this could potentially, if there's a subpoena, wind up before the u.s. supreme court, what happens then? >> it could and that's the $50,000 question, right? there's a number of variables, one of which is the confirmation of the nominee judge brett kavanaugh to go up to the supreme court. i think, you know, congressman nadler had it right. there's pretty clear precedent here, notably with president

but mueller needs more than that. what he would have to prove ultimately is also what's on trump's mind when he did it. and for all the political and leadership criticisms for this president that we know about, let's be clear and fair. anger, ego, incompetence, that's not enough. the higher bar here is corrupt intent in a person's mind. so mueller is saying, like any careful prosecutor, he must question trump before he can conclude his work. and tonight trump's lawyers are leaking their new ongoing negotiations with mueller to show that as of tonight, they're not accepting this full interview yet. so they're using two tactics. leaking information with their new letter to mueller about a kind of a narrower counteroffer, and also talking to each other, these lawyers, in a radio call-in show, an appearance that can only be described as another bizarre chapter in one of the most bizarre live action legal defenses of a president in our history. we give you the unusual scene this morning. rudy giuliani joining trump lawyer

mueller cannot indict the president. he alleges that mueller has told them that. this will only play out. the only possible consequences for trump would be in congress in an impeachment setting. this is not -- to them, it's not a normal criminal case a normal criminal defense attorney would not be out there playing these kinds of games, these -- giuliani knows his clients. he believes this, if it's true, mueller's never said this publicly. that he cannot be indicted. so that is a huge ace that they hold, knowing that mueller can never indict the president. knowing that the only forum is going to be congress and impeachment. so they can turn this into a completely political battle. >> did it escape any of you that the president's attorney has a radio show? >> and he invited his other private attorney to be on. you discussed the conversations you probably had with your client it's not that you can't ever indict a president period it's a sitting president. the idea you could cause there to be an indictment is key here. i think robert muler is keenly aware of that par

did they get to mueller? it seems like they connected based on these emails we have. >> i don't want to go that far. i think the fbi was receiving information during the time special counsel mueller is in charge of the investigation. it is not clear that peter strzok or the other fbi agents told that to mueller. we know that peter strzok had interviews as late as the summer of 2017 with the fbi with ohr getting the information. it definitely made it into his investigation. >> sean: out of time. thank you both. there's more new information coming. tick tock. up next, a hannity exclusive with president trump's attorney rudy giuliani. also alan dershowitz and so much more straight ahead. ♪ are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? (vo) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (

he seize lanny davis talking about what cohen could tell mueller if mueller decided to use him. i mean, he is obviously now running from his own sort of awareness of what he might be in trouble for. >> yeah. i mean, yes. look, he is omnivorous. he's amusingly obsessed with don lemon who he calls the dumbest person on television. he cannot take his eyes off don lemon. >> i find it creepy. >> i don't mean it that way. i mean, look, for someone who is supposed to be the dumbest person on television, what are you doing watching him, mr. president? >> he also had the best own in twitter history, too, when he tweeted that donald trump locks children up. lebron james puts them in school. >> right. i think that's what put melania over the edge. >> look, he's obviously wholly triggered, at the same time -- again, one doesn't want to get away from that. yes, it's getting crazier because there is more -- the walls are closing in. a lot of different metaphors around this. but it's getting more serious for him. he is triggered. he does watch television. he hate watches morning joe. all those

rick gates, mueller's star witness is set to testify any day now. he has already pleaded guilty and is cooperating with prosecutors. kristen davis, the infamous manhattan madam met with a member of mueller's team. it's believed she met with mueller because of her close ties to another trump confidant roger stone. only time will tell what if anything will happen in this trump trip to bedminster, we should be in for an unexpectedly evidentful supper vacation. joining us now, julia ansly. he was not courtroom today. deputy assistant attorney general under president clinton and glen kurshne rerkr. jeff sessions in the room with the president when he was told robert mueller was going to be special counsel. according to bloomberg news, jeff session offered his resignation in that moment. >> that's right. it for jeff sessions the idea that robert mueller had been aopponented was obvious right there, that it was because he recused himself from this investigation that third down been allowed to happen, that rod rosenstein was able to appoint the special coun

mueller is looking to impact the election. they are a national disgrace. >> joining us now intelligence and national security reporter for nbc news, politics editor at theroot.com and former chief adviser or al gore and a former senior aid to president obama. when a trump tweet ends with national disgrace, a tweet that includes a misspelling by the president, it reminds me of the days when misspelling was a national disgrace when done by the vice president of the united states, dan quayle on the word potato, days that no one can really remember at this point. here is the president -- and the only reason i read the tweet is to note the level of hysteria, which increases in direct proportion, it appears, to just how disturbed the president is by the news he's reading or being read to him in "the new york times." >> lawrence, you can almost say he was unhinged. >> you could, yes. >> by the way he seems to be responding to these things. >> i have to say i have been avoiding that word since it became a book title. >> yeah. >> but i

and what bob mueller's job is. the fact that bob mueller, a man i defended because i work with him and i know he is a man of integrity. the fact he hired 13 democrat contributors and a former lawyer for hillary campaign and he hired them to investigate the president. bob mueller opened himself up to the allegation of the bias despite his own integrity. that was a mistake by bob mueller from the start. >> harris: when we do learn about his team and we may not know every dime, every dollar and every resume point but when we do know what we can learn about the politics of the certain member of mueller's team you have meat on the bone if you are trying to show a look of fairness there. not a lot of republicans on the team. why would it matter? politics are talked about because of the f.b.i. and the potential bias. >> that is all what congress will have to consider. the credibility of what he comes out with. if mueller and his democrat largely investigators say no problem, trump didn't do anything wrong. it's over when

he wants to speak to mueller. there's nothing stopping him from talking to mueller today. we have been doing this for months. this rudy giuliani show, saying he wants to speak to him, but the lawyers are at their limits. this is an investigation of what the russians did to our election, an investigation of the president. if he has nothing to hide, go talk to mueller today and move this on. one of the reasons, just another indication he wants to fire sessions. he wants to stop the probe. he doesn't want to speak to mueller. it's an indication he has things to hide because, perhaps, he's guilty. >> on that point of will he or won't he, alan, who spoke in support of the president here, had a revealing answer on cnn this morning about why he thinks it's been three weeks since rudy giuliani heard from mueller. have a listen. >> i suspect they can't come to the same conclusion i came to several weeks ago, that the tactic of the trump team, i have no inside information on this, the tactic of the trump team is to make the mueller team an offer they can't accept. in the end, there

so he can't actually fire mueller. he would have to ask rosenstein to do it, if he could ask him at all. >> which he just said they don't want to. >> right. they don't want to. look, the president has wanted all these people gone. we know that. he's tweeted about sessions, he's tweeted about mueller, he's tweeted about rosenstein. this is not new. the president doesn't like any of these people even though, by the way, as you know, he has appointed each and every one of them except for mueller whom rosenstein appointed. >> harry litman, if you're robert mueller, the special counsel here and you're obviously looking at the president's tweets, taking in what the president's attorney is saying on television, what are you thinking right now? >> first i'm thinking this is all admissible. much of these might be designed to play to the base or whatever but each and every tweet is going to be a piece of evidence that's going to go to the critical issue in obstruction. we know for sure he tried to shut down the probe. the questi

they call mueller a prosecutorial assassin. they've always felt the president was vulnerable on this quef obstruction after he was in office but after helsinki they became very concerned that maybe around questions of conspiracy, if a conspiracy is charged, that he may be vulnerable there too. today his friends are looking at the cohen news and the nan frt news and people really closest to the president have a sense that he could be in a lot of trouble. and i think talking about the republicans at the beginning, that is what will begin to sort of -- i think begin to dismantle this rock solid support of the president that undergirds him through all of this behavior that is mind-blowing to people from the outside or people that have worked in republican politics before. the valerie plame investigation where george w. bush was never a subject, there was never a question of whether bush or cheney had obstructed justice, it took a heavy toll on the bush white house. donald trump is the subject, possibly even the target of these inve

tell me, jill, as you look at the mueller -- at mueller -- he's continuing to behave to roger stone, not bringing in roger stone to this point, bringing in people before the grand jury or in to meet with ms. prosecutors. is roger stone destined to be indicted? >> it certainly looks like roger stone is a target, not just a person of interest. and i think that all of the facts that you've related show that that is why he has n't been called in yet. he is probably the person named in the hacking indictment against the russians as the u.s. person because we know that he's the one who was in touch with gucifer 2. so that would suggest that he has more knowledge about the hacking and could be a key figure in the collusion part of the case. he's also, of course, as you know, been testifying today on air about the choices of manafort which is an amusing thing. he doesn't approve of his choice of clothing. and the only time i ever met roger stone, the first thing he said to me, i can't believe they booked me on two panels without enough time to change cloekts. i'm going to have to wear the sa