not supporting saudi arabia. you had saudi arabia -- you had president obama visiting saudi arabia something like four times. president trump's first foreign visit was to saudi arabia where he did the famous sword dance, etc. >> well, the history of this relationship goes back after the second world war and the discovery of oil in saudi arabia. the united states did not have any interest in arabia at the time, as it was called, until by ans discovered american company. and it is the oil company that brought the u.s. government into saudi arabia, rather than the other way around. so we have the oil, we have the money that needed to be protected after the signing of a contract for further exploration of the possibility of oil on the soil of arabia. some the united states government was brought into protect the interest of the corporation. the oil company that discovered the oil and started pumping it. and the united states found in saudi arabia a strategic ally. it had initially a military base in the eastern provi

you have talked about the strategic importance of saudi arabia. if we look at it on one level today, we see one ruler, let's call him the ruler, mbs, who is just 33 years old. he controls pretty much all the levers of power, as far as we can tell. and saudi arabia remains a vastly wealthy, oil—rich nation, which matters perhaps more than any other for the strategic balance in the middle east. it's very hard to imagine the united states wants to see or prompt instability in saudi arabia. the last thing the united states would want to see, and i think the rest of the world, certainly the arab world, would be instability in saudi arabia. stephen, i think we are looking at an almost shakespearean drama here. you can see the promise of reform and the acts of reform by the saudi crown prince, that will take saudi arabia forward, and then you see a dark side. you see the paranoia. you see the sense of vengeance. you see this unbelievable violence inside the country, and the arrests of saudi citizens, and the exile of other saudis. and it's unclear whic

please do not sell arms to saudi arabia. they are sold to saudi arabia they are no longer sold so actually we can do something to what this brutal dictatorship is doing and we do need an investigation to carry out trade and we really have to show our cars once and for all. >>. >> this is an unacceptable murder but with the muslim brother or those that are in iraq or turkey they illuminate their political opponents in a discreet way. . >> bad indignation would stand up more to crush their opponents that was significant. >> thank you very much now you can wind up the debate you have the floor. >> i would like to think parliament, most of you for your voice national backgrounds that supports very much and strengthens the work that has been doing and spending. and we want to know the truth. we want justice and full of transparent investigation as parliament was debating this murder we released a statement with the european union but as some of you have said to be willing to take steps some have decided to withdraw participation

arabia now while saudi arabia didn't does doesn't have that talent but is trying to attract that talent so with the with the presence of that and stability it was suffer more let me bring in emma her hair listen listening to all of our guest talk about the economic side of this there has to be a way out of the saudis politically what will politically calm the markets calm the international community what will what are the options for saudi arabia. listen there are there are many options i mean you know there are those who or i believe it's just too extreme to work to try to ask for a complete change of leadership in saudi arabia this is a legitimate ruler it's the king needs to be make some. you know some some really serious decisions including including his crown prince and including but visors around his crown prince i mean you know this is for the saudis to determine i mean there will nobody can really be that they'll saudi arabia hey this is the sovereign issue you know while we want to interfere and no i think saudi arabia should decide on this but then again saudi arabia should be

an opcode organization so if turkey was disappointed in its relations with saudi arabia and saudi arabia in turkey as well and this is a similar question she's disappearance happened maybe probably a mood there is on the table a chill turkish public also put a lot of pressure on turkish officials to shed a light on this case because it's a now known. turkish soil even though it's a saudi territory inside the consulate if foreigners disappears and no one can do anything and also the turkey it turkey's n.g.o.s that officials have reacted harsh against this turkey tried to create an international conscience which actually had a good response for instance european countries criticize saudi arabia stance also united states threatened saudi arabia for sanctions and the u.s. senators have been have been saying that they are not going to leave it without a response so down by turkey's reaction there is an international pressure and saudi arabia and probably king solomon also noticed that mohamed bin sound salmond's reckless stance. towards its dissidents or opponents is not tolerable around the

saudi arabia was not war and this is not a war between saudi arabia and yemen. it's a civil war inside yemen started by the efforts of one group, the huthis to overthrow the legitimate government. the saudi's intervened after the war started. the huthis came into sinai in 2014. the conflict with the saudi start until six months later so yes, this is a catastrophe. we all need to try to find a peaceful way out of it and the way to go forward but we can only say this is a saudi is issue, that this is they saudi's doing this, they are not . >>. >> host: betsy, good morning. >> caller: i would like to say the man agreement or any agreement with any arab country, it's useless because they have five different words for wine,five different types of wine.they are in red, you can look that up . their child molesters. >> host: that's your comments, i don't know if there's anything you want to add we were the ones who withdrew from the jcp eaway, even though the international atomic energy commission and all the other partners of the jcp oa said that the iranians were fulf

saudi arabia was not at war and this is not a war between saudi arabia and yemen. it's a civil war inside of yemen that was started by the effort of one group with support from the former president. after the war started, they came into september of 2014. the conflict didn't start until six months later. so yes, this is a catastrophe. we all need to try to find a peaceful way oute of it in a way to go forward. but we can only say this is the saudi issue, that this is the saudi's doing this. they're not. >> elkhart, kansas, good morning. >> good morning. i would like to say the iran agreement or any agreement in any arab country is useless because they have five different types of lying. they are. you can look by the. >> bacher comments. i don't know if there's anything. >> we are the ones from the jcp l.a., not the iranians come even though the atomic energy commission and all the other partners said that the iranians were fulfilling their obligations. i'm not sure what you make of that. >> a story from the state news. washington think tanks still divided on whethe

and it's littered with mine fields for saudi arabia and for the people of saudi arabia. >> wendy sherman, let me ask you. this simple question for the united states is what to do. saudi arabia is an important ally. it is the central banker of oil, but what should the u.s. do? >> i'm actually a bit more cynical than martin and fawaz in terms of what's going to happen here. i believe the trump administration has made a decision to stick with mbs. yes, they may question this absurd narrative that's coming out of saudi arabia. but at the end of the day, the president is very transactional. we've seen that he has created -- i don't hold him responsible for khashoggi's death. but i do think of him with impunity when he talks about slamming american reporters when he stands by saudi arabia so many days later after these explanations are not credible. so i think the administration is is going to have to find some road forward here to, quote unquote, punish saudi arabia. but i don't think that will mean withdrawing support from mbs. two other points i want to make briefly. one, this is a good day

says they'll be dealt with in saudi arabia. on the issue of the extradition of the individuals of saudi nationals to detained and sundry because investigation since had given and they will be prosecuted in saudi arabia i think that's bringing a punt all joining us in doha and sorry professor of political science at qatar university in kuwait city shifty hubba professor of political science at q eight university in washington d.c. hillary mann leverett form a u.s. state department and white house official welcome to you all i'd like to start with you hillary mann leverett in washington d.c. regional stability is threatened that's the view from the u.s. secretary of defense what does he mean by that that that's a great question there is not a lot of certainty here with the messages coming out of the administration whether it's secretary mabus in bahrain very recently or the messages coming out of secretary of state pompei or president trump himself but for secretary mabus to say that the killing of. represents potentially a threa

let saudi arabia. as possibly kill jamal because show is not something in the shocking to those who follow the wholesale slaughter word mohamed bin salman or m.b.a.'s for short people referred to in may have been startled by is the reaction of certain members of the united states congress. the twenty two senators are on alert or. calling for the global misty to be implemented because of this disappearance saudi arabia has killed lots of people over the years there are many bodies that the hassle so far is directly responsible for their own missing princes that the house of saud is directly responsible for so anyone who studies saudi arabia and follows what they do over the years is not shocked by the flag. marcus garvey was probably dismembered and brought back to saudi arabia so that's not sucking what is. is instead their reaction the u.s. conference. ok well and also joe if i can go back to you i mean donald trump is really trying to play both sides here i mean he's a he sent pompei o two to riyadh

arabia is dealing with its critics and opponents well that's an interesting question saudi arabia in fact over the last year has embarked on a massive crackdown against any opinion forces any independent thinkers any potential dissidents people who might criticise the crown prince or saudi policies we see dozens and dozens of arrests including of prominent women's rights activists women who were involved in the right to drive campaigns over the last few years and were well known to western media outlets and western diplomats many of them at least nine are in jail in unknown circumstances right now in saudi arabia presumably under investigation in addition saudi arabia also has of course barked out a lot of reckless regional adventures including the. asterisk's conflict in yemen the war on yemen as well as the people negatively affected by its policy of the of isolation of of qatar you know i would think given all these events that sat that public opinion throughout the world would already have been affected but in fact saudi arabia and the prince it still to at least some extent been

while the pressure builds on saudi arabia the u.k. is warning of serious consequences on american senators a pushing for sanctions and therefore the world's top ranked football nation is that this santa of a huge fraud and match fixing investigation. have charged five people including a referee and millions of dollars worth of cash and luxury. so there was a lot of new information coming out from turkey on the disappearance of jamal khashoggi moving at a fast pace as well so we're going to get straight into it first of all the turkish government which has announced a joint turkish saudi team to be formed to solve the case also the turkish government has told al-jazeera it has definitive evidence about what they are calling the killing of and where it took place they also say that information has been shared with washington and coming out of the u.s. the senate foreign relations committee chairman bob corker i said any sales to saudi arabia would not pass congress donald trump told reporters there's no need to block saudi arabia invest

arabia together because no one will invest in the country saudi arabia will be pushed to the side of events rather than to be fundamentally core to them and i think these big cosmic issues are being discussed in riyadh at some level right now steve clemons in washington thank you so much. well the ripple effects of the how should she case are being felt in brussels as well as elsewhere where evaders a meeting to discuss a variety of issues affecting member states as we've been discussing there the u.k. the french the dutch governments representatives from those three administrations all canceling plans to travel to saudi arabia others have been voicing concerns to paul brennan joins us live from brussels paula see jeremy hunt the u.k. foreign secretary being asked by the media in the u.k. right why are we doing business with saudi arabia and i guess that's the next go to point to this inquisition here for countries who continue to maintain that relationship because even if they're not going to davos in the desert they're not going to start dismantling those contracts. yes i mean we'r

now, women can drive in saudi arabia. saudi arabia has a long way to go. again, the like imprisonment of -- or the other women activists. or you know, i think there are so many ways where they can reform culturally. as a yemeni citizen, you know, where i find that i have different values, then the ones that saudi arabia has, because be grew up in yemen leaving in a pluralistic system. one of the things we realize, i realize is that yemen could not have survived without economic support. of saudi arabia. throughout the years. inyou mentioned, the war 1962, when the revolutionaries the him onerthrew that system society, it is kind of funny because the saudi's have supported the monarchs back then. the, youd the time, know, the saudi's, after eight years of a bloody conflict, the saudi's withdrew. over.volutionaries took despite the fact that they were not fighting each other for eight years, two years later, the yemeni government asked for an economic package. they realized they could not survive without it. things that are important. it cannot happen withou

and saudi arabia, and u.s. policy toward saudi arabia in particular. i will briefly describe the reaction to date in the united states, discuss some of the ramifications and layout -- the implications for saudi-u.s. support and the recommendations for what the united states could do moving forward. the u.s. reaction has been extraordinary, particularly in congress. there is near unanimity in both the senate and the house. the most significant response in congress today was a letter signed by 22 senators to the president asking for an investigation under the global magnitsky act which could entail the imposition of sanctions on saudis who were responsible for khashoggi's death. this was signed by the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, bob corker, who had previously had been a booster for saudi arabia, and the leading democrat on the the chair as well as and ranking member of the senate appropriations committee on foreign operations, the ones who control the foreign affairs budget. that is a particularly significant reaction. the chairma

in saudi arabia the. disappearance deepens the main stock market index fell by seven percent on sunday wiping billions of dollars off the market value of leading saudi companies mike hanna has more from washington d.c. . the saudi stock market suffered its biggest fall in years following president trump's warning it recovered slightly during the day but it was the purse tangible sign of the impact of this crisis on the saudi economy. and impact too on the once cozy relationship between the trumpet ministration and saudi leaders a statement released by the saudi news agency threatening global retaliation against any sanction came just hours after president trump spoke of severe punishment that saudi arabia proved complicit in jamal khashoggi his disappearance . no dodge among members of congress that this should involve economic sanction despite president trump stated reluctance for such measures so i will just say this to you or for confidence if this is proven to be true there is going to be a response f

that saudi arabia. has possibly kill jamal because show is not something in the shocking to those who follow the wholesale slaughter what mohamed bin salman or m.b.a.'s for short people refer to him may have been startled by is the reaction of certain members of the united states congress. the twenty two senators are on alert or. calling for the global mcness the act to be implemented because of this disappearance saudi arabia has killed lots of people over the years there are many bodies that the hassle so far is directly responsible for their own missing princes that the house of saud is directly responsible for so anyone who studies saudi arabian followers what they do over the years is not shocked by the flag. marcus garvey was probably dismembered and brought back to saudi arabia so that's not sucking what is shocking is instead their reaction the u.s. conference. ok well and also joe if i can go back to you i mean donald trump is really trying to play both sides here i mean he's a he sent pompei o

arabia that's what is frozen but money coming from saudi arabia will always be well run like santa on the market yes saw on the early beats you know in eastern asia else or where there are some companies that are receiving a lot of investment this will keep on going but the concern again is there diversification is not happening and has the do you think pushed the aramco any aramco listing even further back into the horizon i don't think we can link the two things to saudi aramco i peel was already styled for a number of reasons some are technical some are more political or technical reasons well there is no transparency a studio oil reserves of saudi arabia there for long exaggerated how much oil there is in their reserves and now to disclose it to disclose the real reserves because for an i.p.o. you need transparency this is a main problem and on the political side making transparency giving more transparency on how the money from the oil is spent that's a major issue or a norm thanks so much for talking to us thank you sam. some of the stories on our radar this week china could be

there's a larger relationship with saudi arabia. max was saying, you know, something has to be done. where do you stand on this? if we do essentially -- if the u.s. essentially turns aside and accepts whatever the saudis come up with, is that acceptable? >> well, first of all, i agree with mike. saudi stability should be foremost in our national security interests. if that country went under, it would be a complete disaster for us and the world and the gulf and everybody else. the royal family, there is no substitute. no one else can govern that country. what worries me is you have a king who is clearly incompetent. if he let his son go ahead with this, he either has alzheimer's or he's got some sort of dementia. and a son who doesn't know what he's doing. arresting the lebanese prime minister, head of state, holding him for two weeks and seizing his property is a flagrant violation of international law. it's saudis, it's way out of their character. we have two people on the throne who are very, very dangerous, and if i were sitting

arabia is and what saudi arabia has done forever we were aware of it during the campaign when it was brought up by some people that allegedly hillary clinton or the clinton foundation took money from saudi arabia which you know we did being gay or homosexual in saudi arabia is against the law you could be stoned to death in certain instances rape victims are often put on trial just as much as their perpetrator the person who allegedly raped them i mean there's all kinds of crazy things that go on horrific things that go on in saudi arabia and have for a long long time i think this is a story because it involves a journalist and because the media is looking to bury donald trump with his reaction whether it's good enough not good enough harsh enough not harsh enough so i think that's why they're concentrating on it but you know they have been to published reports in recent days one from a right leaning german newspaper that says that. you know he was a journalist kind yeah but for years and years and years he's been a high level saudi intelligence operative and you know that's what i w

arabian partnering with saudi arabia. is a. calculation of how israel should go ahead in the world because they see that saudi arabia moment is the most potent ally that can put a lot of. premised on the believe that saudi arabia is rational actor and control is not only its own decision making but also its proxies but all of that has been called into question by the recent events i think i think the saudi paul see for example. focused a lot on the intelligence intelligence which is very pragmatic which is closer to. there's a very strong link between intelligence operatives on the saudi intelligence operatives and i would say. overall here. we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your coming into this. me and our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. same place same time here on the part. front of the globe the best out of the children of. the concepts i was preparing to perform i had to actually prepare myself to. heed what. i'm sorry. as most of. you. in the home will stop her clo

arabia and the future of the balance of power between saudi arabia and its regional foes ok if we're talking about global equity that's a huge concept of course but do we need to know do we need to see which way the united states goes next and we won't know that until donald trump reacts to what gina has spoiled the cia chief tells him following on from her very long discussions in turkey and how he reacts to what steven you should his treasury secretary tells him when he gets back to washington from the trip this time yesterday to riyadh. exactly i think the now the joker is hold is held by the american party probably besides what president of the gun has in stock as information but i think that now enough evidence is in the hands of the american security apparatus after the visit of the cia chieftain to ankara are now it is their choice a political choice to be made by donald trump himself and he would have to make it all regarding three things three or four parameters first of all his relation with the security intelligence operatives in the us with which his relation is already p

arabia, against saudi arabia, i don't think the americans and the western countries will likely take punitive measures against saudi arabia, because the interest, the economic and strategic interests are very big, very great, and that's what saudi arabia is trying to remind its western allies, particularly the united states >> fawaz gerges out of london with insightful analysis as ever. thank you. rosemary, we continue to dig. we are short on evidence on exactly what has happened to jamal, but very long now on, on this ever-evolving and deepening rift that is this region of the middle east and beyond. back to you. >> thanks so much, becky anderson joining us live from istanbul. appreciate that. we'll take a short break. when we come back, syria is reaching out to its neighbors as its civil war winds down. the latest on new developments between damascus and jordan. that's next. cancer ... it's very personal. each of us is different. and each cancer is different. how it reacts, how it evades and adapts. and how we attack it. that's why at cancer treatment centers of america, we use dia

bring your challenges. >> shepard: saudi arabia is investigating saudi arabia to find out if the saudis killed columnist jamal khaishoggi in their consulate. today reporters asked mike pompeo why we should trust the saudis to conduct an investigation on themselves? >> we'll all get to see the response that the kingdom of saudi arabia takes for this. once we see that, we'll make a determination with respect to the credibility and the work that went into that. whether it's accurate, fair, transparent in the way that they made a personal commitment to me and the crown prince made a commitment to the president. >> shepard: we reported secretary pompeo returned to washington the brief the president after meeting with the leaders of turkey and saudi arabia. secretary pompeo said the saudis didn't want to discuss the facts of the case during the visit to riyadh, that neither side wanted to discuss the facts. rich edson live with more on this. why discuss the facts, i suppose? >> well, shep, secretary state says he wants to give saudi arabia the space to investigate this. that's the disappearan

arabia those reactions from saudi arabia are adding to the to the discussion here in washington that especially under crown prince mohammed bin some on saudi arabia cannot be america's soul a reliable strategic pillar in the middle east and that is leading not only to a question of crown prince mohammed bin some months ascension to become king but it's also for the first time prompting some in washington and i wouldn't say this is widespread but some in washington to rethink the u.s. relationship with other key players in order to balance saudi recklessness in the region so for example to get closer perhaps to cots or to get closer to turkey to get closer even perhaps to the islamic republic of iran that these three countries in the region represent not an anti saudi movement but a balancing potentially balancing series of countries that the united states can have a better relationship with in order to not have so much control and so much recklessness coming out of riyadh so those two things i think are are coming together the saudi reaction to demolish murder is even more importance

, will face justice in saudi arabia. yesterday, turkey said it wanted to extradite 18 saudis who were arrested in riyadh in connection with the death. saudi arabia initially denied all knowledge of the journalist's fate, but the kingdom's public prosecutor now describes it as "premeditated murder". speaking at a security summit in bahrain, the saudi foreign minister said, riyadh's relations with washington remained "ironclad", despite the international outrage. he also criticised the media coverage. this issue has become fairly hysterical. i think people have assigned blame on saudi arabia with such certainty before the investigation is complete. we have made it very clear that we are going to have a full and transparent investigation, the results of which will be released. we have made it very clear that those responsible will be held responsible and will be held to account, and we have made it very clear that we will put in place mechanisms to make sure that this does not happen again. investigations take time, and the

all of this underscores the degree to which the world gets rich off of saudi arabia and saudi arabia gets rich off the world and that comes in the way of condemning a possible human rights violation. >> it also illustrates why we are seeing the saudis have reversal on this. you know, we have been talking to saudi officials and saudi sources who say the kingdom is used to human rights criticisms. they're used to being seen as somewhat of an outcast in the global stage. they're not really that concerned with their reputation when it comes to a lot of those peripheral issues. but really, pulling out of this huge business conference, the economic ties, that is hitting saudi arabia where it hurts. and particularly for crown prince muhammad bin salman, his entire leadership is predicated on this vision 2030, this new economic plan for saudi arabia to try to diversify its economy beyond fossil fuels, really become a modern country that trades and has foreign investment. and when you see foreign businesses pulling out of saudi arabia at this alarming of a rate and signaling that they don't f

arabian partnering with saudi arabia is a very. calculation of how israel should go ahead world because they see that saudi arabia at the moment is the most potent ally that put a lot of. premised on the believe that saudi arabia is rational actor and control is not only its own decision making but also its proxies but all of that has been called into question by the recent events i think i think the saudi paul. for example. focused a lot on the intelligence intelligence which is very pragmatic which is closer to israel i would say. there's a very strong link between the israeli intelligence operatives on the saudi intelligence operatives and i would say. overall here. we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your coming in. thank you very much . thank you he's our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and. same place same time here on worlds apart. tracking gave americans a lot of new job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money like me twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher

arabia saudi arabia is a vital ally in the region this is the reality this is harsh this is the cruel world that we live in the very unjust world that we live in and the battle here with regard to the shoji case is this which is more important the need for saudi arabia to be an ally or the preservation of human integrity freedom of the press and the like my argument is that. the reality is that practical interests take precedence over the human press and over the freedom of the press and human integrity why because look take c.c. egypt for example he opened fire on thousands of protesters killed hundreds of them in prison then in the entire opposition of the muslim brotherhood and the liberals but yet he was allowed to speak at the nelson mandela conference for human rights at the un general assembly i said this is killing his population left right and center and now there are talks that they will talk about some negotiating government in which he will be stay in power there are worse crises that are taking place in the region where the world has said you know what will turn a blind e

why do we sell so many are to saudi arabia? guest: the united states and saudi arabia have had a close arms and security relationship going back to the immediate post-world war ii era. the united states has basically helped saudi arabia build its entire military and security infrastructure. it is heavily dependent on u.s. arms, u.s. security, architecture. and this has been a tradition that has gone back, because we recognize that the u.s. and saudi arabia share important objectives, not only in the region but globally. we share a desire to ensure a stable energy market for the world. we share a commitment to security, regional security, global security. we have worked together on these issues for decades. look at afghanistan in the 1980's, the iraqi invasion of kuwait in 1991. the united states and saudi arabia have worked closely together for all of those years on security. and a lot of it is based on this military relationship and the infrastructure we built. host: i recall you tweeting recently that while we share objective

and saudi arabia between other countries and saudi arabia but over it i'm those issues seem to sort of escape the spotlight and relations always went back to business as usual surely the saudis want that right now but given how much outrage there is in washington i think it's going to be a long time before people stop talking about souls are different this time is how many international players there are on this issue not least of which of course turkey sin and do you think turkey wants to see the accountability reach mohamed bin some man's doorstep at this point. assuredly i tend to think that that the church presence objective. that is also the reason why out there is the pressure. are going on the turkish side of gradually the reason why that is gradual is because president iran's also aware of the difficulties that this incident has caused to. the u.s. president and just as the charity u.s. relationship is. slowly moving out beyond that want to create yet another serious difficulty for trump before the midterms so this is the final balancing act that he has to save you know into co

, arabia worth some $18 billion, saudi arabia, ithink, takes arabia worth some $18 billion, saudi arabia, i think, takes more arm5 than virtually any other country in the world from the united dates. it represents 20% of all us arm5 export5 represents 20% of all us arm5 exports and 60% of saudi arm5 imports. that relationship is so important to both sides that i am 5ceptical a5 important to both sides that i am 5ceptical as to whether your belief that the congress, for example, is now going to ask really difficult que5tion5 now going to ask really difficult questions of saudi arabia — i5 now going to ask really difficult questions of saudi arabia — is that really going to happen? well, you know, we're not going to end our relationship, the united states, with the saudi government. because there is so much riding on the containment of iran. but i do think two things may happen. 0ne containment of iran. but i do think two things may happen. one is you might see, i think you should see, if this 5ordid drama continues, if there are no answers from rear that are convincing, unprecedented

and saudi arabia. there's a very clear point to you have to be logically initially when we think when the other said crucial they admitted they did some stick to the war as one of the end of the day but do it do do they have attention to the violation against international law or the international human rights law that so does not so this is a we have to be either as i said typically when the political part or typically newtonian level so this is they have no attention to it took seven people and i guess i mean only talk about the whole of the movement no they do some some not mystics but they do have attention to event to attack some some. you and sometimes and i call that with international food for the u.n. as one a few weeks ago and one day they're within one month of twice that attack they have to act that sometimes you know so they do this is this building their own to unite the nation for the humanitarian part why they go there why their forces. it took a bite it and use it as when it did it for

and saudi arabia between other countries and saudi arabia but overt those issues seem to sort of escape the spotlight and relations always went back to business as usual surely the saudis want that right now but given how much outrage there is in washington i think it's going to be a long time before people stop talking about souls how different this time is how many international players there are on this issue not least of which of course turkey sin and do you think turkey wants to see the accountability reach mohamed bin sound man's doorstep at this point. a shirley i tend to think that that the church presence objective. that is also the reason why there is pressure. on the turkish side of gradually the reason why that is gradual is because president iran's also aware of the difficulty that this incident has caused who you are as the us president and just as the charity us relationship is. slowly moving out on that one to create yet another serious difficulty for trump before the midterms so this is the final balancing act that he has to save you know and to consideration on the one

sells billions of dollars in weapons to saudi arabia and has made saudi arabia central to its plans for the middle east. the signaling out of the administration now is that this is too important of a relationship to throw away, particularly when the u.s. says it does not have all the facts. something that is a symbolically charged way of showing that the u.s. is going to take us -- take a slightly harder or more independent sense and will not be totally cozy with the saudis. guy: walk me through the implications of mr. mnuchin, decision not to go to saudi arabia, through the prism of the midterms. featuring in the media. how do those things interact? nick: what has happened here is this is a story that refuses to go. part of that appears to be a conscious effort by the government of turkey to keep it in the spotlight and continue to have information coming out in turkish state media that provides increasingly gruesome details about what appears to have happened to jamal khashoggi. there may be an orchestrated element to this thing in the spotlight, but nevertheless, it is becoming somet

saudi arabia has. a killing jamal because a from my. information right now all that has been reported is that they are thinking about yes. they it's assumed there dave did change that british and then reports say that there is an interest of patients that indeed yes that he accidently died during an interrogation keep going calling true are indicating that we don't know the facts so that's going to be years but it is probably going to be not to admit to killing because even though the amount of the evidence. in a little. to the point where it is pretty evident the what happened and you can see that by the fact that u.s. intelligence has already said they have caught. the online giving orders to undertake this capture of a charge. in the interrogation and the killing of sharkey now the turkish security said their video and audio. either through the apple watch because sarkozy was worried or through the bugging the turkish the saudi consulate in istanbul but they have not released that information yet so

americans don't like saudi arabia. they may not like iran, but they don't like saudi arabia a lot. overwhelming majority of the americans believe that saudi arabia had something to do with 9/11 and all the protestations since then haven't convinced them. the sword of dmokales is hanging over the u.s./saudi relationship and it is in a courtroom in new york. it allows the survivors and victims of 9/11 to sue the government of saudi arabia. it is well worth reading the indictment. they have got good lawyers. they don't make claims like band ar's wife funded or silly thing like that. they make astute claims that saudi arabia allowed funding to go to al qaeda up to and including the day of september 11th. and therefore are responsible for negligence. i cannot imagine a jury in the city of new york that isn't going to find saudi arabia guilty. if you think we have a crisis in u.s./saudi relations now, wait until that day comes. and donald trump is not in a particularly good position to say i want to do something about this. he supported jasta and so is hillary clinton. >> this is an impo

today on a weekend in saudi arabia? they're still rounding up the weekend there, because secretary pompeo reportedly gave a 72-hour deadline to the saudis to come out with something, and sources said that they knew that they had to meet the deadline and they wanted to meet it. now, as clarissa said, a lot that is unknown, particularly what was the mission here, the mandate. was it just to interrogate jamal? was it to render him, to kidnap him and bring him back home? what did the crown prince know at that time. sources say the saudis know no one is going to come out looking good in this, wolf, but they're going to try to be as upfront as they can, but you also saw, you know, saudi supporters, supporters of mohammad bin salman saying tonight that the perpetrators need to be brought to justice but at the same time the stability of the kingdom, the stability indeed of the region is at stake, wolf. that's really in the minds of the saudis and the united states and even the turks as they work their way through this. >> i wan

action but saudi arabia is one of the u.s. is key allies when it comes to sanctions against iran it's a key part of the strategy when it comes to iran what kind of impact will the khashoggi affair have on that strategy sanctions against iran and will it have one of the iranians thinking right what iran you should be very happy in the first place because right now one of the things that has been increasing iran's regional role is particularly its competitors blunders its competitors their mistakes is competitors crimes in a sense that has been one of the major assets of iran and one of them is obviously is saudi arabia i mean if you're iran look at the how saudi arabia has been a great asset for you for your regional role you have the crown prince who has a completely criminal war in yemen that is causing like a massive humanitarian disaster and that christe you that gives you a very significant leverage over every signal portion of the you minister and gives the inflows in to in yemen and then you how like saudi arabia who is

tells us something important about saudi arabia. khashoggie used to be a member of the saudi establishment. i met him first 14 years ago, he was one of the people who assisted me when i spent a week in riyadh. the long time head of saudi intelligence who then became ambassador to britain and would later become ambassador to the united hashoggie was in those d moderate and a reform. her worried that too much reform wou would -- a mix of authoritarianism and real reforms. khashoggie became more critical, but he was never a radical? why he was seen as so threatening? perhaps because he was respected within the saudi establishment. >> to see him run so afoul of that establishment, to run afoul of the monarchy suggests that there's a deep cleavage with that establishment. when he noted that the conservatism within the ruling elite was almost always the precursor to a broader breakdown of regime. authorities inside saudi arabia have retained stability because it's a -- disscepters by buying them off, most important in the case of hard lin

and let me just say you made a great point we've been aware of what saudi arabia is and what saudi arabia has done forever we were aware of it during the campaign when it was brought up by some people that allegedly hillary clinton or the clinton foundation took money from saudi arabia which you know being gay or homosexual in saudi arabia is against the law you could be stoned to death in certain instances rape victims are often put on trial just as much as their perpetrator the person who allegedly raped them i mean there's all kinds of crazy things that go on horrific things that go on in saudi arabia and have for a long long time i think this is a story because it involves a journalist and because the media is looking to bury donald trump with his reaction whether it's good enough not good enough harsh enough not harsh enough so i think that's why they're concentrating on it but you know they have been to published reports in recent days one from a right leaning german newspaper that says that. you know he was a journalist kind yeah but for years and years and years he's been a high l

prince, he's the one who runs saudi arabia. one of those individuals said he was told by those close to the saudi leadership that the kingdom will claim rogue operatives killed khashoggi during an interrogation that went arye. the idea of rogue operativesing this was something our own president said on his own yesterday. he has nothing planned so that gave him plenty of time to get on twitper p the latest tweets dealing with saudi arabia came last hour. just spoke with the crown prince of saudi arabia who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in their turkish consulate. he was with secretary of state mike pompeo during the call and told me that he has already started and will rapidly expand a full and complete investigation into this matter. answers will be forthcoming shortly. while the president has remained hesitant about directly criticizing saudi arabia. his colleagues had this to say. >> where's the body? why wasn't his family notified. why have they spent eight or nine days say they don't know anything about it

arabia that we all depend on saudi arabia that saudi arabia has arms purchases support american industry that they that they we need them they don't need us that they can go someplace else that's not an accurate narrative and it isn't persuading saudis critics in congress or in the press who are increasingly pointing the finger directly at the saudi crown prince mohammed bin psalm on the publisher of who should use former newspaper the washington post is accusing saudi arabia of trying to cover up his murder and the editorial board is urging people worldwide to shun saudi arabia intil the kingdom changes right in the first step in that process is determining the full truth about the coup shoji murder and holding its likely author mohammed bin salma on fully accountable for the vice president joe biden seemed to agree with the rest of the world is watching the united states of america we have let the world and they're wondering where the hell are we what's become of us and now. n.b.s. the saudi arabia who i know my lord he's making excuses. by the way you know that all expression some peo

i'm christine one globe welcome to the program saudi arabia's foreign minister has called the killing of dissident journalist jamal khashoggi a huge and grave mistake adel also told us bold cost of fox news that those responsible would be held accountable for it he's have said he died in a fistfight in the country's consulate in istanbul. but paris and london have issued a joint statement demanding that saudi arabia clarify the circumstances of the journey to stay with for the first time german chancellor angela merkel has said that she backs a freeze on sales to the kingdom. first we condemn this act in the strongest terms so there is an urgent need to clarify what happened this issue is far from having been cleared out and those responsible are still not held accountable. i agree with all those who say that the already limited arms exports can continue in the situation we are currently and. all right for more now on the political correspondent kate brady is joining me now in studio kate so saudi arabia is the second biggest buy of german arms we know that not even begin conflict has

saudi arabia. and i one from these plans to send them a message which you will never be able to do that as long as we have a king. and the bin abdulaziz as long as there is. and that crown prince named mohamed bin salmen in saudi arabia. and prince calls. and turkish president named dan the rift will never be created the rift will never be there and we will prove to the entire world that both countries are cooperating to punish all criminal and to punish the perpetrators and justice will be above everything that this what i can say in this regard in addition to that the kingdom of saudi arabia has taken a big steps in developing the saudi economy during the last three years and so restructure a lot of sectors of the kingdom of saudi arabia i think it's the right time today to restructure the sectors of national security you know to be arcs to the level of other sectors in the kingdom of saudi arabia. thank you highness very much. questions. you spoke about reforms your excellence a reforms are pain

reforms in saudi arabia but saudis do need us and we need them. could stunter iran's maligned influence in the region. if iran weaponizes its oil production and its sanctions of course, stops oil exporting ability, saudi provides that counter. they do help us with counterterrorism operations and they are normalizing relations with israel. so as bad as saudi arabia is internally, mbs, this prince, i don't have rose-colored glasses, i don't think he is some fantastic thomas jefferson reformer but he is making some progress. he is somebody i think we need to give a little more time with, cut him some slack here, at the same time on punishing him privately internally when something like this happens. one more thing, neil, the media is whitewashing khashoggi how he wrote for "the washington post" this was not impartial reporter either. he was an islamist sympathizer. he wrote promoting the muslim brotherhood. he had a relationship with usama bin laden years ago. he was upset when the united states killed him. this is also somebody that i think does not

of reactions against saudi arabia threatening by sanctions but saudi arabia is also trying to form an alliance by itself the spider its diplomatic. initiatives with turkey we have seen oh i see countries showing solidarity with saudi arabia and saying that saudi arabia has a recent reforms actually which are mainly led by the crown prince mohammed bin selman were being targeted also we have heard mahmoud abbas from palestine and jordan and united arab emirates is saying that they are standing by saudi arabia mainly sell. ery b. a is also turning out this case that they are the saudi arabia itself is the whisked him. to case despite an offer by crown prince mohammed bin still man the saudis still have turkish investigators into their compound but the consulate is still conducting business and shell reports from istanbul opposite the salad you consulates there is a company that deals with issuing visas that's the larger and smaller pilgrimage that muslims make to mecca in saudi arabia now this company as well as a few others that are scattered around the building say that they are still

arabia you challenge him in such a way that makes saudi arabia inherently dangerous. to put any bets on you think so this is not something we've seen the policy we've seen the. kidnapping of. has been by geo political or geo strategic interest this is something very different in a way that it is extremely brazen i mean whoever thought of this crime definitely could have. other political shenanigans of. really feeding him. political thinking and i really fitting into his personal and he thinks that if geopolitically he's allowed to do so much he's given so much space domestically ordinary saudis he can do the same but it's. not exactly a domestic situation first and foremost because it took place in that country and it also involved not a citizen of the united states but there from what i understand a permanent resident you definitely should have considered those implications if. the crown prince is behind that's a big if at this point it is not a. domestic issue i think. or whoever purpose that is sending a very strong signal domestically we can do this abroad we can

arabian partnering with saudi arabia is. calculation of how israel should go ahead in the world because they see that saudi arabia at the moment is the most potent ally that can put a lot of. premised on the believe that saudi arabia is a rational actor and that controls not only its own decision making but also its proxies but all of that has been called into question by the recent events i think i think the saudi paul c. for example. focused a lot on the intelligence intelligence which is very pragmatic which is closer to. there's a very strong link between intelligence operatives on the saudi intelligence operatives and i would say. overall here. we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your coming into this. and there is our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. same place same time here on worlds apart. all. their. bottom. line. while give easy val send this to us. and. said yes. it's rational and. desirable of the needy thief. zuma. is. more than a financial. you know world of big