and chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it is the third time constantinople has talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but there is still no clues in sight also stressed that separation is something orthodox believers do not actually want on october constantinople overturned a centuries old act of union to sever ties between kiev and moscow then both of the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople or to you got the thoughts of a professor of church history. you create him go and is really you know like trying to force the no nickel bishops on canonical church to participation in various quote unquote. unification so paul farhi of this procedure for a series of structures here was to threaten with confiscation of churches and monasteries and they started to pull this plan into life with which i. always chose one of the most respected small mysteries in the ukraine we could go on now is the day break their agreement. will not be able to use the premises anymore it's what the second step is trying to

a chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it's the third time constantinople is talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but there's still no conclusion in starlight he also stressed the separation is something orthodox believe it don't actually want anyway you know constantinople overturned a centuries old acts of union to sever ties between kiev the moscow then both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople it's complicated he got the thoughts of a professor of church history and what's really happening in ukraine in goldman is really in a way trying to force canonical bishops uncanonical church to participation in this quote unquote council of unification so offered of this procedure for series of structures or was to threaten with confiscation of churches or monasteries and they started to pull discipline into life with which arabs or witches one of the most respected monasteries in the ukraine we could go to break their agreement. will not be able to use of premises anymore or the second step

in kiev and moscow know both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople i spoke to a professor of church history who believes the government is forcing the church to separate ukrainian go and is really really trying to force the new nickel bishops uncanonical church to produce patient members quote unquote council unification so off mark of this pursuit of bursaries or structures or was to threaten with confiscation of churches and monasteries and started to pull discipline into life which arabs always chose one of the most respected monasteries in the ukraine. we could go to a break their agreement. will not be able to use the premises anymore or the second step is trying to get a lot of the caves in kiev which is like the holiest place of both ukrainian and russian belorussian and also all. raids had called her. apartment the residence or for metropolitan paul who is the. lover of the cage and here is the second step of this strategy of intimidation and violence. it's all very fun to see classic lord of the rings no doubt the beast like orcs while they'

orthodox church was granted independence from the russian church very recently by the patriarch of constantinople however the plan has been criticized by religious heads and ukraine for not and this is the catch specifying a date for the rule changes to come into effect. state politicians of the highest level who constantly promise cuts and all the suffering simply deceive us there is a full understanding of the fact that constant nobile leads us on with various promises since most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals the chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it's the third time constantinople talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but the still no conclusion in sight it went on to stress the separation is something orthodox believers don't actually want the breakaway crisis started last month when ukraine's government started pushing for the church's independence constantinople there and overturned a centuries old act of union to sever ties between kiev and moscow bot

the head of one of the eastern orthodox churches known as the patriarch of constantinople after the charter for the autonomy a separation of ukrainian orthodoxy however the plan has been criticized by religious heads in ukraine for not specifying a date for the rule changes to come into effect state politicians of the highest level who constantly promise cuts and all the safley simply deceive us there is a full understanding of the fact that constant noble leads us on with various promises since most likely it's statements about the ukrainian orthodox church are motivated by something more than just spiritual goals. well the chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted saying it's the third time constantinople has talked about giving up thomas powers for national churches but still there is no conclusion in the site he also stressed that separation is something orthodox believers don't actually want well the breakaway crisis started last month when ukraine began pushing for its independence constantinople then overturned a centuries old act of union to sever ties between key of

corrugation since the seventeenth century and they've even called a schism triggered a schism with constantinople by ending their followers from attending any ceremonies any communions with this church who they have now officially split with . the russian orthodox church does not accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is give them and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the canonical field of decision has been made to drop to full communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage one priest father mike tyson who's worked in west virginia for fifteen years has even switched churches in the wake of the schism he was he's left his patriarch of constantinople parish swit

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made moves to give them that autonomy independence as well this is very much anger. the moscow patriarch the process of granting autocephaly is artificial imposed from outside does not reflect internal ecclesiastical necessity will not bring real church unity will deepen division and intensify conflicts among the people of ukraine under these conditions the participation of the pesky pait clergy and laity of the you see in these process is is considered impossible and how is the russian orthodox church reacted well this is triggered a total breakdown in relations the moscow patriarchate has rejected this decision they've stated that they have had all thought over the key of corrugation since the seventeenth century and they've even called the schism triggered a schism with constantinople buying their followers from attending any ceremonies any communions with this church who they have now officially split with the russian orthodox church does not accept these decisions and will not fo

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople he made moves to give them that autonomy independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the process of granting autocephaly is artificial imposed from outside does not reflect internal ecclesiastical necessity will not bring real church unity will deepen division and intensify conflicts among the people of ukraine under these conditions the participation of the pesky pait clergy and laity of the you see in these process is is considered impossible and how is the russian orthodox church reacted well this is triggered a total breakdown in relations the moscow patriarchate has rejected this decision they've stated that they have had all thought over the key of corrugation since the seventeenth century and they've even called the schism triggered a schism with constantinople by ending their followers from attending any ceremonies any communions with this church who they have now officially split with the russian orthodox church does not accept the decision. not follow

the chairman for the russian orthodox church has also reacted to saying it's the third time constantinople has talked about granting autonomous powers for national churches but there's still no conclusion in sight he also stressed the separation is something orthodox believe is don't actually want the breakaway crisis started last month when ukraine's government started pushing for the church's independence constantinople then overturned a centuries old active you need to sever ties between kiev and moscow both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople while r.t. got the thoughts of a professor of church history about what's going on here. you create him go and is really trying to force canonical bishops uncanonical church to participation in various quote unquote council of unification so part of this procedure for a series of structure was to threaten with confiscation of churches or monasteries and started to pull discipline into life. of which was one of the most respected monasteries in the ukraine if we could go to break their agreement. wil

between kiev and moscow both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople we got the thoughts of a professor of church history and what's really going on here be on the seems. to be creating a goal and is really in a way trying to force the know nichelle vision of some canonical church to produce patient in various quote unquote council of unification so part of this procedure for a series of strategy was to threaten with confiscation of churches a modest truce and start to pull discipline until zero four with which arab square lara of which was one of the most respected monasteries in the ukraine. we could go to. break their agreement. will not be able to use. premises anymore. the second step is trying to get a lot of the caves in kiev which is like the holiest place of both you creative and russian the russian and also all. the. rage called her. apartment the residence of metropolitan paul who is the. second step of this strategy of intimidation and violence. ever so does former lawyer was forced to flee hong kong last year robot spoke exclusively about

britain france and russia entered into the constantinople agreement which granted the russians certain ottoman territories and waterways. however this agreement peeved the way for another secret deal as london and paris started to plot exactly what they wanted from a region that's was gaining strategic significance in the coming age of only room. you could really see the britain and to the war without any clear territorial ambitions in their territory they could not at the stage of the constantinople agreement identify the one place that they wished to add to their empire but they reserve the right to do so as soon as they worked out what their priorities were and so in a sense the constantinople agreement really is the first of the wartime partition agreements that will begin to shape the way in which the arab provinces will be carved up primarily between britain and france since russia's interest lay mostly in turkish territories so very british fashion the british created a committee called the debunks and committee and its remit was to look in. the sort of the options for britain s

britain france and russia entered into the constantinople agreement which granted the russians certain ottoman territories and waterways. however this agreement peeved the way for another secret deal as london and paris started to plot exactly what they wanted from a region that's was gaining strategic significance in the coming age of oil. you could really see the britain and to the war without any clear territorial ambitions in their territory they could not at the stage of the constantinople agreement identify one place that they wish to add to their empire but they reserve the right to do so as soon as they worked out what their priorities were and so in a sense the constantinople agreement really is the first of the wartime partition agreements that will begin to shape the way in which the arab provinces will be carved up primarily between britain and france since russia's interest lay mostly in turkish territories so very british fashion the british created a committee called the debunks and committee and its remit was to look in. the sort of the options for britain so that when

britain france and russia entered into the constantinople agreement which granted the russians certain ottoman territories and waterways. however this agreement peeved the way for another secret deal as london and paris started to plot exactly what they wanted from a region that's was gaining strategic significance in the coming age of oil. you could really say that britain and to the war without any clear territorial ambitions in their territory they could not at this stage of the constantinople agreement identify one place that they wish to add to their empire but they reserve the right to do so as soon as they worked out what their priorities were and so in a sense the constantinople agreement really is the first of the wartime partition agreements that will begin to shape the way in which the arab provinces will be carved up primarily between britain and france since russia's interest lay mostly in turkish territories so very british fashion the british created a committee called the debunks and committee and its remit was to look into. the sort of the options for britain so that w

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made. moves to give them that autonomy that independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church doesn't accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the economical field it decision has been made to rupture food communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty fourteen there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as ene

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made moves to give them that autonomy that independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church doesn't accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the economical field it decision has been made to rupture food communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of. confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty fourteen there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as ene

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made moves to give them that autonomy independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church doesn't accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the economical field it decision has been made to rupture food communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty fourteen there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists on orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as enemie

he signed the deal with the constantinople and the u.s. state department supported this. so much for the wall of separation between church and state which the guy who came to power in ukraine would cool meeting that had all of a religious organization that represents a thousand people and even then. and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about five thousand years old and which cater to the author the behavior we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story will come back to you with that in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember across couples. what holds his hands to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want to. have to go right to be close this is what the three of them can't be good. interested in the water. joining me every thursday on the alex simon sure and i'll be speaking to

and would not recognize the fish only up until very recently now what's happened is the patriarch of constantinople which is considered the most important church the head of all churches in orthodoxy has taken steps to recognize their independence and their autonomy from the king of church a decision that is very much angered the moscow patriarchate to say the least. the process of granting autocephaly is artificial imposed from outside does not reflect internal ecclesiastical necessity will not bring real church unity will deepen division and intensify conflicts among the people of ukraine under these conditions the participation of the pesky pate clergy and laity of the you see in these process is is considered impossible. was the reaction of the russian orthodox church being what it's for going to total breakdown between the russian church and the concerned local church the patriarch at has rejected this decision they've said they've had authority over the king of the church since about the seventeenth century and they have said that they're triggering a schism with the church they're banning th

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made moves to give them that autonomy independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church does not accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is give them and its leaders are the leaders of the schism and the church that accepted this gives them excluded itself from the canonical field of decision has been made to drop to full communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict. between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty fourteen there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as en

alexander from hobart who'd seen some far flung parts of the world wrote i consider the regions of naples constantinople and zaps book the most beautiful on earth. the unique panorama is created by the northernmost outcrops of l. . and then you can see the treasure which made the city rich in the times of the illyrians the romans and the celts thought the very name of the city means salt come. under the romans it was called you vavoom and was a flourishing trading center on the ruins of the settlement to monastic houses were built in the late seven centuries the number of benedictine foundation is the oldest nunnery still in existence north of the alps. the roof of the crypt rests on twenty four romanesque columns. for almost one thousand years these frescoes were hidden behind masonry. in. even older than the benedictine nondairy is the ministry of st peter. protected by the steep slopes of the meant that the monks hill is impeaches symmetry twelve hundred years old and one of the most beautiful in the world. chambers carved out of the rock i once thought to be roman catacombs maybe they were occupied

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made moves to give them that autonomy that independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church doesn't accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and it's lee. other leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the economical field the decision has been made to rupture food communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers with a it any way be affected or think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty forty in there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists on orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as enemies o

been recognized officially as official corrugations that's until very recently when the patriarch of constantinople made moves to give them that autonomy that independence as well this is very much angered the moscow patriarch the russian orthodox church doesn't accept these decisions and will not follow them schism is schism and it's lee. it is other leaders of the schism and the church that accepted the schism excluded itself from the economical field it decision has been made to rupture food communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism what about the everyday church goers were they in any way be affected or i think it's going to cause a lot of confusion and division i mean this is seen as a wider context as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west those debates over independence and cultural heritage in the bigger picture here tensions have been rising since about twenty forty in there have been dozens of attacks since then by ukrainian nationalists on orthodox churches aligned with moscow they view them as

he signed a deal with the constantinople and the u.s. state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state we have the guy who came to power in ukraine by i would call meeting there. had all of a religious organization that represents a thousand people even then. and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about five thousand years old and we cater to the author that we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story it will come back to you with it in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rolls. manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the famous. nor middle of the room. you know world a big part of the law and conspiracy it's time. to dig deeper to hit the stories that. mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to

schism excluded from the canonical field of vision has been made to grow up to full communion with the constantinople patriarchate we cannot be in communication with this church which is in schism. ultimately is this going to have any effect on ordinary church goes well in the wider context this is seen as part of that conflict between russia and ukraine east and west historical cultural roots independence etc i mean tensions are running high since twenty fourteen when there have been dozens of attacks recorded by ukrainian nationalists on moscow aligned orthodox churches in ukraine who are seen as kremlin stooges or any news of ukraine conflict also possible over property the moscow backed churches own about twelve thousand parishes in the country the ukrainian church is only about half that number so with ownership of churches revenue streams and followers millions of followers involved is certainly going to have an impact on those many orthodox followers throughout eastern europe ok many thanks for bringing us that today and with this story don't hold kids. thanks you guys thing that is that homew

he signed the deal with the constantinople and the us state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state we have the guy who came to power in ukraine who meeting they had all of a religious organization that represents eight thousand people even in istanbul and they decide to crush basically a church which is about twelve thousand years old and we cater to the author to be able to we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story it will come back to you within. in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk walls. there's now a building around breaks here and no one to know why says terrorists long. bad memories. twenty four years ago this country song a real look into the world. after the genocide there a moment in rwanda a man. fell to women to fix what the men had broken. ministries police forces and city administrations of many countries depend on one corpo

he signed the deal with the constantinople and the u.s. state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state which the guy who came to power in ukraine the. meeting that had all of a religious organization that represents eight thousand people even in istanbul and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about five thousand years old and we cater to the author of the behavior and we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story it will come back to you with that in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember. you know world big partisan. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time. to fight for the middle for the t

he signed the deal with the constantinople and the u.s. state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state we have the guy who came to power in ukraine by i would call meeting there. had all the. religious organization that represents eight thousand people and even then. and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about twelve thousand years old and which cater to the author the behavior we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story will come back to you with it in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk walls. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see you there. in twenty four you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasin

he signed the deal with the constantinople and the u.s. state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state we have the guy who came to power in ukraine i would call meeting there. had all of a religious organization that represents eight thousand people and even then. and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about five thousand years old and which kate it was all for the good behavior we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story it will come back to you with that in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rolls. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it still or here. in the. pulling me to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twe

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it is on the brink of recognition by most of the global 0rthodox community, led by the patriarch of constantinople. breaking over three centuries of spiritual domination here by russia. driven by popular anger at the russian orthodox church's support of vladimir putin and his military intervention in ukraine. but for many of the 12,000 churches here affiliated to the moscow patriarch it, this split has been traumatic. father nikolai's faculties began a year ago. “— father nikolai's faculties began a year ago. —— difficulties. father nikolai's faithful now gather in the living room of his home. chanting as they have through thick and thin, in soviet times. and in the 27 years of a free, independent ukraine. the concern is that you are not loyal to ukraine if you follow the ba rt loyal to ukraine if you follow the bart couprie. —— moscow patriarchate. father nikolai and her leaner and not only proud of being ukrainian, their own son pavlov fought against russian backed rebels in the east of ukraine. you say they blame you for what is happening in the east, do you think that russia is doi

both the russian and ukrainian churches responded in turn to cut away from constantinople r.t. got the thoughts of a professor of church history about what's going on here. creating goldman's is really really trying to force canonical bishops uncanonical church to participation in this quote unquote council of unification so paul farhi of this procedure first series of strategy was to threaten with confiscation of churches and monasteries and they started to put this plan into life with which i have always as one of the most respected monasteries in the ukraine we could go to break their agreement. will not be able to use the premises anymore or the second step is trying to get a lot of the caves in kiev which is like the holiest place of ukrainian and russian and the russian and also all. raids had called her. apartment the residence or for mr bolton paul who is the object ball for all the caves in kiev is the second step of this strategy of intimidation and violence. you talk about story only those who are following tonight including all the latest of the g. twenty underway i

are not officially recognized the hadn't been rather until recently and that is when the patriarch of constantinople who is considered the most important church in the in the orthodox faith decided to take steps to grant them independence from moscow that's a very much angered the moscow patriarchate the process of granting autocephaly is artificial imposed from outside does not reflect internal ecclesiastical necessity will not bring real church unity will deepen division and intensify conflicts among the people of ukraine under these conditions the participation of the pesky pate clergy and laity of the you see in these process is is considered impossible. how is the russian orthodox church reacted list as a whole breakdown in relations i mean the moscow patriarch has rejected this decision they've said they've controlled the key of the church since about the seventeenth century they will not accept this decision and indeed this is actually triggered a schism within the church the moscow paid truck has even banned orthodox followers from participating in any ceremonies at these other churches so t

is going to face some very difficult times the president came to istanbul points to constantinople he signed a deal with patrick noble and the u.s. state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state when the guy who came to power in ukraine would cool meeting that had all of a religious organization that represents a thousand people and even then. and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about five thousand years old and we cater to the author because we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story it will come back to you with that in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember across topples. i've been saying the numbers. matter us is over one trillion dollars and. more than ten times happy. eighty five percent of global wealth you want to be rich six percent markets thirty percent. somewhat four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and

in one thousand nine hundred twenty tensions were running high in constantinople now known as istanbul. immediately after the armistice allied troops occupied the city by this time a nationalist movement was already taking shape. the end. the movement was led by general mostafa actually miles who had led off from an forces to victory in the campaign. the nationalists were opposed to the partition of the country as outlined in the treaty of said. if we accept the allies demands there will be no end to their greed. in my organized a new army its primary goal was to drive out greek troops that had occupied the coastal city of smyrna in may nineteen nineteen and then taken over much of western turkey. to mass forces launched a counterattack in all this nine hundred twenty two. they pushed greek troops all the way back to the aegean coast. on september the ninth one thousand nine hundred twenty two commands troops reoccupied the city of smyrna. four days later a fire broke out in the city's armenian district and spread quickly at least ten thousand people are said to have died. evidence ind

have a treaty with the sultan of turkey and the kaiser to develop oil and to build a railroad from constantinople all the way down to iraq and they were going to build this railroad pump oil out of the ground, put it on tank cars and send it straight to berlin. the whole colonial thing is very, very complicated. the british basically were very concerned about german commercial competition. when you look at british travelers who went through that part of turkey and iraq and persia, one of the first things germanmmented on was the businessmen are just eating our lunch over here. after bismarck was totally opposed to german colonialism, , the peoplet running the chancellery where bunch of intellectuals promptly knew better and they get a lot .orse i think the caller is quite right. that was a major source, but also the french and the british were wrangling about colonial affairs because the french were very expansionist in africa. they were running into british spheres of influence. turkey was a nervous point for the russians. wasan development there very threatening to them. but i don't think there

the germans were going to build this railroad and take it straight to berlin because from constantinople to berlin. guest: well, two things. the whole colonial struggle, the whole colonial thing, it's very complicated. but the british basically were very concerned about german commercial competition. when you look at british travelers who went to parts of turkey and iraq and persia, one of the first things that they commented on was that german businessmen are eating our lunch over here. bismarck was totally opposed to german colonialism, the people were a bunch of intellectuals who knew better and they did a lot worse. i think the caller is quite right. that was a major source, but also the french. the french and the british were wrangling colonial affairs because the french were very expansionist in africa. and they were running into british spheres of influence. turkey was a real nervous point for the russians. german development was very threatening to them. but i don't think there was any particular -- there's nothing nefarious about it. it was just like the north atlantic. the brit

granting of independent status, to what had been the russian orthodox church, this was done by the constantinople patriarch back in october. this was a big blow to russia, they did not expect it, it's a very big deal for a state that defines russian civilisation, as something going well beyond the borders of the russian federation, the church has been a big part of it, and finally, at the time the uk is leading the uk, there will be presidential elections, in ukraine. if russia provokes a hard variant of marshall law in ukraine, to that, with any kind of suspension of democratic rights or a postponement of those election, they hoping that will bring people on to the street, that that will be very good for the president's key opponentjulia tymoshenko who would love to wear the mantle of being a defender of ukrainian democracy and a peace maker, my opinion is the ukrainian parliament has approved marshall law but ina parliament has approved marshall law but in a resolution that confirmed that the elections will take place on schedule, so far it seems that ukraine is not rising to the bait. what wou

something we have been waiting for and that is russia's response to the decision of the patchwork in constantinople to grant independent economic status to what had been the ukrainian part of the russian orthodox church. this is a big deal. state is wedded to the view the russian civilization extends beyond russians borders -- russia's borders. the second issue is the upcoming presidential elections in the ukraine next march. they would love to encourage the hasident to do what he attempted to do, to hand them an excuse to declare martial law, to postpone elections, putting people on the street and giving who is to his opponent talking about a peace plan and compromise with russia. all of this plays into that. francine: let me jump in. would putinely, why do this a week before the g20? russia has been demonstrating consistently that they are willing to be defensive in their interest. they do not care what we think. one of their most seasoned deputy ministers said, you regard us as an adversary. why should we care what you think? what they want us to understand is that russia is important. you canno