from the bernie people. basically the bottom line of it is that the bernie sanders people are saying, hey, beto does not have a very progressive record. >> and let's look at his record. is that true? >> that is actually true. so my friends at a 38.com compile this stuff and they basically found that beto o'rourke votes with donald trump 29% of the time versus bernie sanders who votes with donald trump 11% of the team. >> so they can have a beef with him. >> the request he is whether or not that will work with the electorate. i think one of the big miss understandings of 2016 was that bernie sanders was able to build a base on very liberal voters. and they make up 25% of the electorate according to the exit polls. sanders' marin versus hillary clinton is tied among liberal voters. bernie sanders like to say people are voting for me because i'm liberal and they want this more progressive agenda but that wasn't really the case at all. >> so what were they voting on? what do the numbers tell us? >> first off, th

bernie almost seized the moment and then hillary rigged the primary against him. chris christie had it in 2012. he stayed in new jersey and then bridgegate happened. you have to go for the gold immediately. i like kamala harris too and i think gillum is talented. they are both young and attractive candidates. the morning joe ticket, the unity ticket, it's like with people who used to work for john mccain pitched just to get on msnbc. it will never happen. this country is so divided along

and shimon i want to mention that you worked for bernie sanders and bernie sanders reporters moved over and supported president trump that's why he won. >> hold on. >> and people are bringing in unsubstantiated claims, they are insulting trump voters, who formally were bernie voters. >> let's be clear. >> let me be really clear. because i. let me be really clear. in 2016 -- >> the more you put a cloud of suspicion around this president, the more in 2020 he will continue to rise. >> let me just, shimon i will give you a chance to respond but we should point out that "the wall street journal" did the reporting that there is an investigation that is under way. >> exactly. >> by the southern district of new york. >> which lass not been confirmed and there are no facts. anonymous sourcing throughout this reporting as well as "the new york times." >> anonymous sourcing from "the wall street journal" which is a credible news outlet which deserves the right for us to at least put some trust behind their reporting. i think we should allow that to happen. but simone, i want you to have the opport

. ♪ greg: a progressive pack straw poll has bernie sanders as the leading choice to run in 2020 when he will be 113 followed by joe biden beto o'rourke elizabeth warren. of course, it is a long way through 2020 and those polls don't usually reflect who becomes a nominee but bernie is popular among progressives and i watch the hell out of the trump and bernie show like those old muppets in the balcony complain about everything. [laughter] [applause] bernie one a lot of primaries who is not in that straw poll top five unless of course, you are hillary. >> why am i not 50 points ahead? . >> i want her to run so she does that again. . >> bernie would be 79 in 2020 but o'rourke is young and tall he looks like a kennedy he can read a teleprompter so could obama. and they love that bernie may be that my son is going to college right at that time. >> so college will be free. >> and you could name it bernie. >> you are not getting the vote i like water. >> of ever seeing you drink it. >> things are clearly going very well for the democrats at the best option i have for someone who does unders

[laughter] [applause] bernie one a lot of primaries who is not in that straw poll top five unless of course, you are hillary. >> why am i not 50 points ahead? . >> i want her to run so she does that again. . >> bernie would be 79 in 2020 but o'rourke is young and tall he looks like a kennedy he can read a teleprompter so could obama. and they love that bernie may be that my son is going to college right at that time. >> so college will be free. >> and you could name it bernie. >> you are not getting the vote i like water. >> of ever seeing you drink it. >> things are clearly going very well for the democrats at the best option i have for someone who does understand how math works to have a private jet with a five-dollar bill. >> i'm living in the now and it's 2019 so i don't care i'm really not concerned. have we not learned anything about polls? anybody answer their home phone anymore? [laughter] no. if somebody calls you to have a minute? click. for those who are actually answering the polls have a lot of time on their hands they are not telling us bernie gets a lot because he was

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that's what bernie sanders points out. president trump says -- david: when he was in control, the divide between the richest and the poorest was growing. >> the divide is growing even more. the trade deficit is even bigger this year than it has been in the past. at the end of the day there is a populist movement that both in the left and both in the right. the populist movement is giving us a signal the divide. david: would you like to go against this rhetoric from bernie sanders in the next election? >> absolutely. give me a couple years, i guess alexandria ocasio-cortez thinks she can already. i think both of them are all talk, all theory. i will stick with working americans and put money in my pocket. david: i will stick with the heart of america which i think and i believe most of americans have faith in. coming up. what one actor is doing to make sure this holiday season is extra special for gold star families. the big surprise coming up next. stay tuned. (toni vo) 'twas the night before christma, and all thro' the ho

that's what bernie sanders points out. president trump says -- david: when he was in control, the divide between the richest and the poorest was growing. >> the divide is growing even more. the trade deficit is even bigger this year than it has been in the past. at the end of the day there is a populist movement that both in the left and both in the right. the populist movement is giving us a signal the divide. david: would you like to go against this rhetoric from bernie sanders in the next election? >> absolutely. give me a couple years, i guess alexandria ocasio-cortez thinks she can already. i think both of them are all talk, all theory. i will stick with working americans and put money in my pocket. david: i will stick with the heart of america which i think and i believe most of americans have faith in. coming up. what one actor is doing to make sure this holiday season is extra special for gold star families. the big surprise coming up next. alerts -- wouldn't you like one from the market when it might be time to bu

bernie sanders and a donald trump of a populist. bernie sanders is a little populist we need medicare for all and we need to do these things because the problems were income inequality and economic in nature. donald trump says they are cultural in nature with too many immigrants, people don't say merry christmas anymore, we have all of these problems. george wallace but he found out after leaving alabama, the most interesting chapter in a lot of ways talking about wallace going to wisconsin he'd been in wisconsin to get speech and he got all these people who were digging him, he was a controversial figure he'd already stood in the doors at the university of alabama it was a stunt and he knew it wasn't going to work but it made him a national figure and he was shocked when he found all these people who were interested in his message when he goes back and runs in 64, he figured something out, cultural issues transcend economic issues and a lot of things, people concerned about thabout change and that'st the direction of the country, t

hot off the presses, the story in your paper about bernie sanders. this is about bernie sanders. it's not a given that i will support bernie because i did before. there are going to be plenty of people to look at and listen to. i am open at this point and the majority of the people are. this is a former nevada assembly woman who endorsed mr. sanders. he was hot stuff in 2016 and may not be anymore. >> there are two things going on. on the one hand, he was hot because bernie sanders represented part of the party that had not had a champion at that time. that's the ultra left. the ultra left has more champions now. there are lots of people out there and they will probably all run for president and have to cram on to the debate stage and many of them take the same positions he took. the other thing about bernie sanders is he had a platform about as high in visibility at the end of the 2016 campaign as you can imagine and he sort of disappeared. he hasn't really taken up that mantle and made himself in congress or more broadly in the american political system into that indispensable

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good news also for joe biden and bernie sanders. joe biden has 99% name id in iowa, doesn't have a lot of room to grow. that was a good poll. it is not a great poll for elizabeth warren, had 80% name id, not a good place for her. it is still a very good poll for people like beto o'rourke and of course this is largely based on name id at this point, dana. there is a lot of room for candidates to grow and a lot can happen between now and the iowa caucuses. >> seems early to be talking about iowa. why are we talking about this? matt, this starts in february, just five weeks from now, you'll see the candidates going to

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the top two choices by a mile, joe biden and bernie sanders. tonight, our own part pair asked bernie sanders when or if he plans to announce. >> when you will take on wall street, the drug companies, you'll take on the insurance companies, before decide that i want to run, i have to make sure that there is that grassroots support. if there is, i will run, if there has had, i won't. >> we should note that elizabeth warren, cory booker and camille harris also made the list. we did not see hillary clinton's name. i was looking pretty deep at the list. they were down below. pablo joe biden. keep looking. [>> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you very much. joe biden tops the fox news poll of the potential 2020 contenders, tonight he is reportedly discussing his options with family at a gathering here in town. correspondent gary penney has more on his busy week. >> a week after saying he would be the most qualified person in the country to be president, joe biden is back in d.c. tonight meeting with some of his political advisors and hosting friends a

bern bernie's got the best fund-raising. and beto's got the best chance of being alive in 2020. >> mean but funny. >> you think age will be an issue? i do not. >> i've heard that age is different today than it was even a generation ago. some of the candidates are incredibly healthy. somebody who doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, runs six miles a way. that's a different candidate today than it was a 70-year-old than it was -- >> and experience is an issue. we should see. >>> ahead, they didn't complain when they were in power. now republicans in wisconsin and michigan are trying to strip power from incoming democratic leaders. heyi'm craving somethingkin! we're missing. the ceramides in cerave. they help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture... and keep us protected. we've got to have each other's backs... and fronts. cerave. what your skin craves. we've transformed this home to show the new keurig k-cafÉ brewer is so easy, it makes any house a coffee house. rinsky's coffee house is open! pop that in for a coffee

of that book, bernie sanders "guide to political revolution" which came out last year. but best-selling author isn't the first thing that pops into mind when his name is mentioned. how about famed 9-year mayor of vermont's city. former member of house of representatives and 12-year member of the u.s. senate who won reelection to a third term. [applause] or how about former democratic candidate for president of the united states? [applause] -- who became a sensation during the 2016 committee winning 23 primaries and caucuses and more than 40 percent of the pledged delicates while electrifying audiences and igniting a fervor with his anti-establishment appeals. i would bet the price of bernie's new book or maybe the price of a thousand of them that you're all wondering one thing at this point. will he run for president again? we'll see what he has to say about that this evening. his new book opens with the end of his presidential campaign in june 2016, and chronicles the past two years of struggles against donald trump's reactionary agenda in favor of a government that re

how about bernie sanders? bernie sanders was the hot outside candidate in 2016. what space is there for him? >> bernie sanders was the trailblazer when it came to the progressive movement. everyone sees him as the darling and could potentially run. he is older and white and a male and doesn't fit the demographic that the democrats want to talk about. women minorities running in the election. when my colleagues reported this great story about how bernie sanders staffers from 2016 are wanting to sit down with him and talk about a problem on the campaign. with the me too movement and women in particular, this would be a problem for him on the campaign trail. he has issues there. >>> are when i read it, it's hard to see. going forward, we talk about bernie. bernie sanders is tweeting. he put a tweet out. must have the courage to take on the greed and ideology and fight for a world with racial and environmental justice. will this be an easy struggle? certainly not. it's a fight for the stakes being too high. tweeting shortly after elizabeth warren. >> i'm still here!

bernie sanders talks about primarily working people, economic royalists as fdr called them, bernie sanders talks about the billionaires. whereas conservative populists like ronald reagan and donald trump, tended to argue that it was a cultural elite, normally liberal, in the administrative state that is against the interest of ordinary americans. also a difference in how they define the people. i'm not sure that it is populism to talk about the immigrant danger like donald trump does, but there is a tradition of some populist talkers talking about it in a way that there's a conspiracy at the elite at the dark skinned people at the bottom. i could go through many examples of that through history. >> the southern democrats, that you just talked about. >> and the labor movement at times did too. there was a group called the workers party in california in the 1880's whose logo was the chinese must go. it was a group of white workers who wanted labor unions to be legalized and recognized by their employers, they wanted stretch regulations, but they believed there was no way the chinese workers

bernie's got -- i have him in my family. i have got bernie-its all the way, not a lot, but significant numbers. does he have to worry about not being able to do what he did last time? he's older, not the most important thing. but he did well last time. >> absolutely he has to worry about that. the poll ann conducted shows he's not nearly where he was in iowa before national polls suggested he wasn't where he was last time. and i think there may have been a -- the tendency for bernie and people around him to over estimate the degree to which his support last time was about him versus activating some latent anti-clinton sentiment in the democratic party. >> it's very hard to read back. you just never know. hillary had such a profound impact on people in terms of who she is to voters. it's very hard to control her out of the conversation. last time, therefore to project this time. j. ann seltzer, thank you very much. keep it coming. how did you have for years grassley out there? the conservative cranky senator for the republica

in the meantime bernie sanders is most popular -- in the nati nation. bernie in a lead, and followed by biden. and liz warren dropped down to 4. she is dropping fast like a brick in a bucket of oil. will domecra democrats get new o lead their party, if so will nancy pelosi drink it all. >> that is possible. that shows, progressives are -- bernie sanders promised the big state. right. you know, they are all going to push now medicare for all. kennedy: i guess okay why does bernie sanders still have so much magic? >> he had a lot of magic in the 2016 democratic primary. kennedy: so did liz warren but she dropped, why has he maintained. >> she stands for some politics and policies. he stood for something bigger unot just a socialist thing people felt empowered by him, they felt you know millennials and boomers who felt they didn't have a say in politics, he came, and seemed to give them power. that is the sending, that is one of most under appreciated parts of bernie. kennedy: maybe populism but he is socialist silver back. if politics is tribalism now, he

and while bernie is reluctant to take time out from his work he does make exceptions for journalists due to the public city factor something you learn from decades of cases in damascus representing those persecuted for political reasons his commitment to human rights and freedom of expression would not have been possible without the involvement of journalists from outside syria and also afforded him protection but after syria signed an international convention against torture in two thousand and four how bernie was deemed too dangerous for the regime. we hope it would be so to do something we know he would. side with as many agreement international agreement and go it. just so we'd like to use this agreement to say stop in syria in fact there is that we have two years because i speak i spoke about. division place in syria. one year after his release in twenty eleven his friend and fellow activist high little mark to close it down ted the figure evolved already in the syrian legal world to this day nobody has seen or heard from him since. feels it is his duty to continue their common

hard to believe but this week marks ten years since bernie madoff's ponzi scheme blew up. dou're going to hear from bernie maff himself about life behind bars coming up >>> is it mueller time for the markets? could the drama in d.c. just add to the volatility or is it really all trade and economic fears? japanese prosecutors charging nissan the company and carlos ghosn and the asian markets sagging on the news. >>> hailing an ipo uber taking a big step forward with plans to go public. ♪ ♪ >>> welcome back 5:30 on the east coast thank you for being with us on cnbc let's get all you need to know in 60 seconds. frank is back with your executive weekend. >> reporter: here's what's leading cnbc a european court ruling that the um u.k. can unilaterally cancel brexit >>> some auto news, carlos ghosn and nissan both indicted overnight on financial misconduct allegations they're charging him for under reporting his income for af five-year period they're investigating allegations that the practice went on even longer. >>> big ride share news. uber has reportedly filed confidenti

bernie sanders, jeremy corbyn. and then you have centrist populism, like the leader of czechoslovakia, that's really concerned about corruption. they don't have an overarching critique of the systems economically, they don't have a standard defense of the nation, but rather they think that both of these left and right have used this to enrich themselves, and they need to come in and clean it up. globally we have those three populism's, and i think we see all three in today's politics. the swamp, that's not a separate centrist populist movement, but cleaning up the swamp is that expression of we are mainly concerned about insiders dealing, not about migration or billionaires. populists are really angry, or pretend to be angry. curious to hear you talk about centrist populist, because i don't usually think of centrist as the angry people, i don't know much about happening in the czech republic. in democratic nations, it's very difficult not to have consent of the people and say you know what the people want, and you'

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bernie sanders, the majority of his support came from millennials. as i said the democrats have seized on this, whether it's cory booker or kamala harris or elizabeth warren, clearly bernie sanders for this the young lady that won the primary for congress in new york. they are admitting that there are socialist. it's no longer something they're trying to hide. socialism, democrat, aggressive have become very much synonymous terms. that's a problem. that's a problem for our country. it's a direction that it don't think we want -- is not in our interest to go. and you wonder how did they end up insinuating, how do these socials progresses into insinuating themselves into our life? it's not hard to see. they insinuated themselves into the education system. as matter of fact ap history courses at our high schools are taught at the book by many howard zinn, and admitted communist. he writes the history of america as a history of oppression as opposed to the history of economic freedom and personal liberty. you can see in our entertainment industry. how ma

there's a level of hypocrisy and he's at that level >> bernie flies in the middle seat. >> tucker: bernie flies private, actually. i know you like bernie but unless the news story was lying it said he spent hundreds of thousands on private air travel. you're not a climate activist 23 you're flying private. would the green new deal raise energy prizes for middle class people? >> no, when you deploy solar and wind you create millions upon millions of jobs, $24 million in the renewable energy sector. >> tucker: we don't know that. >> we do know. >> tucker: we don't know. wake upson, this is real life. you don't know. i've been in dc too long. don't tell me no. >> let me finish. >> tucker: yeah, yeah, go ahead. >> i'm answering the question. the question is that solar and wind are cheaper for electricity than fossil fuels. that is a fact right now. >> tucker: what about for air travel until honestly. >> cheaper than fossil fuel. >> tucker: how does bernie fly. >> air travel is not what we're talking about right now. we're talking about raising gas prices, the basic prices for the working and

bernie sanders talks about primarily working people, they don't identify with the economic elite. where is other populist, like ronald reagan and donald trump, tended to argue that it was a cultural elite, normally liberal, there was a lead is an in the administrative state that is against the interest of ordinary americans. it's a difference in how they define the people. i'm not sure that it's about donald trump about the immigrant danger but there is a tradition of some populist talkers talking about it in a way that there's a conspiracy at the elite at the top. i could go through many examples of that through history. >> the southern democrats, that you just talked about. >> and there was a group called the workers party in california in the 1880's whose logo was the chinese must go. it was a group of white workers who wanted to be legalized and recognized by their employers, they wanted strict regulations of separation. but there was no way the chinese workers could mix with and become equal with white workers. and they took over the government of california for a short perio

go to bernie sanders. a i've been trying to figure out can bernie replicate what he did in 2016? i don't know if he can. >> he never really stopped running. he has a lot more competition. he was the new thing four years ago. i don't have an answer for that. it's going to be hard. it will be a challenge. >> i have a great deal of respect for senator sanders. truth of the matter is, if he couldn't find way to to beat hillary clinton the last time around, i don't see how he hobbles it together and beats this field. i would argue -- >> you don't think he can make the case that the nomination should have been his. she basically jerry rigged it. >> barack obama came out and beat her in that process. how does bernie sanders do better in south carolina? how does he do better in georgia? >> you just pointed out why that's the most intriguing candidacy if it doesn't happen would surprise me. >>> up ahead, president trump passes with flying colors according to president trump. passes with flying colors according to president trump i just got my cashback match, is this for real? yep. we matc

joining me now is the cosponsors of that senate bill, bernie sanders. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> bret: why is this important? >> it is vital that everyone in america understands what is going on in yemen now. it is the worst humanitarian crisis facing this planets. we are talking about in the last three years as a result of the saudi led intervention in the yemen civil war. we are talking about 85,000 children already starved to death. we are talking about imminent starvation for millions more. we are talking about 10,000 cases of cholera making out every single week. we're talking about a generation of yemen's children who will be stunted, physically and intellectually because of the famine that is now in existence. we have to and that's. furthermore, i think we have to say, the saudi government which is a despotic government, which allows no consents, which treats women as third class citizens. we will not follow their military adventurism into yemen. the last point as to why it is important and people like senator mike lee, conserva

so clearly the bernie folks see him as a threat. bernie did so well in the 2016 run that -- i mean you can't discount him. you can't discount his strength. i mean he's an original. he is somebody that speaks truth to power, and from the standpoint of donald trump, i'm sure he wouldn't mind running against any of the three of them because at the end of the day donald trump is going to say, well, if you are going to talk about the economy or national defense or any of the things people care about, i will be able to say that i stuck to what i promised americans. but bernie would be tough. joe biden would be the toughest i think. beto o'rourke is also very strong. >> the new hampshire democratic party, jim, chairman tells nbc news it is highly unusual for us not to have someone of such significance they don't automatically dominate the field. we don't have it this cycle. is that an advantage or disadvantage? >> there have been coronations in the past, al gore in the 2000 and he lost to george bush. i don't think the ease of winning the

biden, bernie, beto. sounds like the law firm that would represent kermit the frog in his divorce from miss piggy. [ laughter ] joe biden and bernie sanders have huge support from one of the left's key demographics, old men who fall asleep in movie theaters. [ laughter ] joe biden said yesterday he considers himself the most qualified person in the country to be president. it's cute that he thinks that matters to us. [ laughter ] but there's a lot to take in here and a lot at stake. so for more of this, we'll check in with political analyst and blogger mort haskell and thank you for taking the time to talk to us, mort. from washington, d.c. >> my pleasure. sorry. i need a second. i'm just finishing up today's blog post. >> jimmy: oh, okay. take your time. and finish that up. yeah. wow. >> looks good. mimi, can you put this up on an internet? now let's get down to business. what can i do for you, jim? >> jimmy: i wanted to get your thoughts on the current crop of possible democratic candidates for presiden

there seems to be a good deal of bette bernie fatigue. watching two 70-year-old guys duking it out in 2020. the one concern they ought to have is not to prematurely create a circular firing squad because that would be the one thing donald trump would most like to see. >> jonathan, how important is it going to be for the democrats to field a candidate that reflects this country? to charlie's point, not an old white guy? not to say "old" in a negative way but certainly in an age perspective, an older white guy. >> oh, please, look, every democrat who wants to run should run. that's what the primary process is. the person who comes out of that process is the person who reflects the party. what i want democrats -- what i think democrats should do is let them all run. support your candidate as the field winnows down. once there's a nominee, democrats as an absolute imperative must circle the wagons around that nominee and do everything possible for that person to beat president trump in 2020. that should be the number one overriding goal for w

bernie sanders. what do you think about bernie sanders? let me read this. told rolling stone for the bernie camp, we have two goals. we want to show support is there. second is to begin to do the organizing that will need to happen in order for him to hit the ground running by the time he announces, if he announces. so interesting, chris, this kind of thing used to be done in private. they don't have time to do that this time. >> welsh there's that. there's also the fact that bernie sanders was the accidental leader of the movement. a movement was there. because he was the only choice in the field for democrats other than her expectancy, hillary clinton, that it fell to bernie sanders. it became a movement. it was rudy. but these same voters will have a lot, a lot, a lot of different choices in 2020. it doesn't make bernie sanders the heir apparent. they have to recognize that. we call this the invisible primary. time in which candidates are going to secure support, talking to individuals. big part of that, barack obama. the obama primary is taking place. p

bernie sanders is still ranking quite high in our poll. the second thing is we asked whether iowa caucus goers thought hillary clinton would add something to the race. by an overwhelming majority said she would be more to detract. iowans know hillary clinton and they said no, thank you, to the idea of her running at this point. >> could we put this into context with the importance of these numbers. for example, at this stage ahead of the 2016 race, president trump then civilian donald trump was barely even registering back in 2006. john edwards led by a large margin and obama was in third place behind hillary clinton. what does this poll tell us ahead of 2020? >> one of the things that it tells us is that at this early stage, what you begin to get is a sense of what's the natural landscape? what are the opportunities for the lesser known candidates. nothing is locked in. the best example of that is that our poll around this time four years ago, we had bernie sanders only getting 3% of the vote. as time wore on, he never went down in the po

host: your reaction to bernie sanders? guest: if you are not a senator, that would be reasonable, a man lecturing us about whether the president likes dictators? you honeymooned in the soviet union. a man who couldn't even keep his own party accountable when the democrats, namely hillary clinton stole the nomination from bernie sanders with her so-called superdelegates. the idea that he is concerned with russian meddling -- so now the democrats do not like moscow? let's go back to robert durante, the cold war, ted kennedy. this is not a conspiracy theory. colluding to undermine ronald reagan during his reelection campaign. afterly, the democrats, half a century, are concerned with moscow? if this were not a senator, i would think that an "snl" skit. democratic caller for sebastian gorka. hello. caller: hello. good morning. before i get into my main question to you and the reason i called, i just want to say that i am sure history will recall presentrd that this economy that trump is taking credit for was actually rescued b

they talk about elizabeth warren and cory booker and bernie sanders. there are people they are more afraid of. who did they cite? >> something to understand is that trump can win reelection. this is far from a foregone conclusion. there are strengths he brings to the table. you never know what happens when democrats is nominate something who is likeable and not under investigation. there are some that smack of hillary clinton and her flaws. they looked at cory booker and bernie sanders as politicians who do not have the ability, they believe, to build on a coalition that can eat into what was trump's winning coalition in 2016 by getting a lot of those culturally conservative democrats even though they are fine with liberal economic policy and liberal foreign policy, to bring them back into an obama style winning coalition. you look at elizabeth warren who is not nimble on social media and the issues she had and cory booker who they say is a lightweight and they say these are people that are so progressive -- >> the boutique liberal. >> and not welcomin

i'm not just in on this because bernie sanders made it popular. i have a very personal reason for caring about this. we've all covered campaigns. those are the stories that resonate with voters not just i support this because it's the right thing to do or because polls say it. i support this because president obama did it on health care with his mother as well. and maybe there's more of that as well. with kamala harris, cory booker, number of senators that are considering, they've all put out in-depth policy proposals for this all very progressive policy proposals and what effect this has, if any, or could this become a love fest or popularity contest? and how they try to sell and talk about proposals. >> one of the things that trump proved in some ways, it's often about personality and charisma and not necessarily policy. >> yeah. in 2014, 2015, the headlines work and people crack into jeb bush taking on chris christie. it's a lifetime in politics. >> sure. >> who knows what the nominee will be at this point and what the base wants. what does 201

i did vote for bernie sanders in the primary. and i think that we live in a binary two-party system and that a vote for anybody other than donald trump or hillary clinton in the general election was a vote that in my opinion didn't necessarily count. it was not a true participation in democracy. i think third parties are something that could be viable one day. folks haven't done the work to make a third party viable. but the russians didn't just meddle in 2016, don. we know they have been -- they were around in 2017, that they tried their hand in 2018 and they will in fact be back in 2019 and 2020. so the question is what is the federal government and states across the country, what are we doing to shore up our elections, our cybersecurity, and what kind of safeguards are folks like facebook and twitter putting in place to make sure there are platforms cannot be weaponized in the same vein again? >> it's interesting, you said you had no idea. and i don't think many people across the country or most people knew that they would be

i think bernie sanders have a great moment. i'm not so sure he is the person. so much has happened since 2016. i think people are looking for women to step up and female leadership. i don't want to sound tedious. i think he would be 88 at the end of two terms. i think they're looking at someone who is young who can inspire them. a lot of conservatives columnist wrote about who that a -- gop insiders fear the most. he says is more feared than worn in sanders writing this if there is a key aspect to the fear he inspires in some republican it is the outgoing public congressman. sure he is unabashedly aggressive. nor as it happens does he look down what he say said about what hero there. i think a young person who is appealing to me millenials he is much more appealing for people who are in the middle. i think the biggest challenge would be a woman. the gop would not be smart to not be aware of this in the end. a really good grassroots campaign. he's been reaching out to a lot of black voters that had people behind him. he spent time with them. he seems to be appea

i wonder if this will be another bernie year or a biden year. i think they are looking for -- >> i wonder if year for a white man. there are progressive liberal voters who will say not nowhe g? th they need to nominate an african-american or some sort of minority in order to push the party forward? >> i think what donald trump does best is brand. my point is that beto o'rourke is a clean slate for donald trump. joe biden is not, bernie sanders is not. watch out for beto o'rourke. >> quite a panel. appreciate everybody on tv watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday it's "meet the press." >>> you can see more end game in post game on the "meet the press" twitter account. >>> credibility crisis. the latest nbc polls find that almost 2/3 of americans say they do not believe president trump is being truthful in the russia investigation. >>> a wild coast to coast weather wallop over the weekend and our bill karins has your travel forecast for a busy preholiday week ahead. >>> to an nbc news special report from the border, where democra

people are not solid bernie people. they are saying you have to court us a little bit. >> morgan: to morgan's point there is a good one. people saying look we need to win. someone like joe biden or beto can win. we need to win with a fill in the blank, woman, minority, progressive, whatever that blank is, and you are going to have democrats who say job number one is to win. we need to figure out how to do an that and take care of the rest later quite frankly. >> morgan: poll we looked at earlier 41% of democrats thought that bernie should not run again. for me, when you see. >> amen. >> he is not a democrat i say that all the time. morgue moral for me, instead of trying to tonya harding beto already in the. >> good reference. >> morgan: i looked her name up earlier today. it's not really about that. it's about he is selfish. it's about power. more than about ideology. they are all so power hungry they can't lead a movement and step aside. >> that new movement is where the energy is. >> maria: part of it not all of it. >

i wonder if this will be another bernie year or a biden year. i think they are looking for -- >> i wonder if it is another year for a white man. re progre voters who will say not now then when is it going to be? they need to elect a woman or they need to nominate an african-american or some sort of minority in order to push the party forward? >> i think what donald trump does best is brand. my point is that beto o'rourke is a clean slate for donald trump. joe biden is not, bernie sanders is not. watch out for beto o'rourke. >> quite a panel. appreciate everybody on tv watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday it's "meet the press." >>> you can see more end game in post game on the "meet the press" twitter account. >>> this week the rare opportunity to interview a ceo before he actually becomes ceo. we'll take the reins at intuitt in a meat of daatter of days. >>> someone who knows ipos better than anyone in the valley. we talk about the race to markets. >>> our reporter mirabelle lopez and matt giles from m.i.t. technology review

let's go to bernie sanders. i've been trying to figure out can bernie replicate what he did in 2016? >> i've been trying to figure that out. he never really stopped running, and so he has a lot more competition. he was the new thing four years ago. i don't have an answer for that. it's going to be hard. it's going to be a challenge for bernie sanders. >> listen, i have a great deal of respect for senator sanders, but the truth of the matter is if he couldn't find a way to get -- to beat hillary clinton the last time around, i don't see how he cobbles it together and beats this field. i would argue that -- >> you don't think he -- he can't make the case the nomination should have been his, she basically jerry rigged it? >> that's b.s. the same process, barack obama came out and beat her in that process. right? so there's a -- you know, how does bernie sanders do better in south carolina and georgia? tell me how he wins the sec primary states and i'll tell you how he'll be the nominee. >> and you pointed out why i

bernie almost seized the moment and then hillary rigged the primary against him. chris christie had it in 2012. he stayed in new jersey and then bridgegate happened. you have to go for the gold immediately. i like kamala harris too and i think gillum is talented. they are both young and attractive candidates. the morning joe ticket, the unity ticket, it's like with people who used to work for john mccain pitched just to get on msnbc. it will never happen. this country is so divided along political extremes, you can't even get anything bipartisan done in congress. how are you going to get a whole political party to come together? the lieberman people, john kasich, flake. >> juan: what about you and me running? >> jesse: juan, sorry to say. going in another direction. >> juan: juliana glover came up with his idea for the unity ticket. >> dana: i think it provides people some fun things to talk about. imagine if that would happen. this isn't fantasy football. it's not going to happen. i agree with everything jesse said. >> jesse: what was that again? >> dana: i agree

you see the work that they are doing for bernie sanders already. everyone should take their time and decide what they want to do. we will see who actually goes for demand. we know that -- >> harris: between those two, who would you support? >> jessica: i would vote for roberts on the ticket, but that's not my side of the party. >> harris: that was dodged like dodgeball. >> jessica: i think that's what any moderate democrat would say. whatever is the nominee, i would support. talk about this before, i think sharon brown should be involved for sure. amy klobuchar is great. i think kamala harris, sharon brown -- >> harris: i had one on my show today. a moderate democrat. >> chris: he couldn't win his own state. you can't nominate a moderate democrat. they will nominate whoever is as far left as possible. >> lisa: we have to think about the dynamics, too come about with the primary field will look like for democrats. i think it will be similar to what they it republicans had in 2016. a crowded primary field. when you have that, you could potentially ha