papadopoulos: no, no. i met joseph mifsud in rome for the first time ever i guess two days after i joined the campaign over a skype call, but my name had not gone public. i think everybody's name went public on march 21. i think i met him around march 12 or 13. mr. cernovich: did he know you were working the campaign? mr. papadopoulos: i think i told him. i said, it is nice to meet you, but we are probably not going to talk, i am leaving. so after mifsud drops this information on me, that is when london becomes a very strange city to me. that is when u.s. intelligence officials reach out to me from the embassy and start to question me and asked me -- mr. cernovich: what does that look like, though? because you lived it and what we are trying to do is tell the story. reaching out to you, what does that mean? they are calling you? how does that go about? mr. papadopoulos: let's backtrack. 26,mifsud meeting was able 2016. -- was april 26, 2016. two or three days later, the times of london called the company i

papadopoulos: yes. make,s the mistake people we need to be very, very conscientious and cautious before ever talking to them. i read your things over and over again and i remember when it hit , like we finally got them, trump and russia, and a lot of the media prey on people's ignorance. they woulda lawyer, not have gotten you on obstruction of justice. if you had anything about russia, they would have flipped you and work your way -- works the food chain. you talked to mueller's office four times? mr. papadopoulos: before i pled guilty. >> you had the three interviews with the fbi, four interviews with him -- what were those like? run us through those? is still an ongoing investigations why cannot get into too many details yet, but the investigation seems to be winding down, so i will be able to talk about it shortly. terms, it was just, contacts abroad, logan act violations, this infamous logan act from the 18th century. whois, what did i do? policy in my undermining by talking to an egyptian diplomat

papadopoulos: it is an honor to have the conference host me. i feel at home here. been welcomed with open arms and for me that means the world. -- was not in prison in prison for that long, it is not a place and wants to spend one minute let alone 12 or 14 days. you are away from family and friends. you are away from the world and living in an underworld. i never thought that would have happened to me. i didn't think it happened. the people were working on residential campaigns or transition teams like i was. doing their best to help their country. not ever looking to harm their country. i met interesting people. i saw it as an experience. a good experience. >> let's talk about that. twitter, you tweeted a picture of him going in. that is the new way of communicating with the outside world. how did you feel when you took that picture? >> thank you for inviting me. [indiscernible] i have been with george all until i was there in this prison camp in wisconsin. story of loyalty and support. i gave him

papadopoulos: it is an , how does it feel to be back mr. papadopoulos: it is an honor to have the conference host me. i feel at home here. i feel almost family here. i have been welcomed with open arms and for me that means the world. while i was not in prison for that long, it is not a place and wants to spend one minute let alone 12 or 14 days. you are away from family and friends. you are away from the world and living in an underworld. i never thought that would have happened to me. i didn't think it happened. the people were working on presidential campaigns or transition teams like i was. doing their best to help their country. not ever looking to harm their country. like i never did. i met interesting people. i saw it as an experience. a good experience. and i will get into that later. >> let's talk about that. i saw on your twitter, you tweeted a picture of him going in. i found that interesting, just so many layers. that is the new way of communicating with the outside world. this is what it's like, this is behind-the-scenes. how d

and then asked me, do you want to -- to marry george papadopoulos? he didn't propose yet. >> and that is the irony of how people like you get caught up, because you don't know enough to be afraid of the fbi. i'm terrified of the fbi. if i witnessed a crime and said i want you to tell us what you witnessed, i'd be like, get to my lawyer and then i'm not getting this pinned on me kind of thing. it is a terrifying experience. >> they act friendly, like come here, just have a talk. and then as you said, you end up in jail. >> yes. that's the -- that's the mistake people make. we need to be very, very conscientious and cautious before talking to them. again, i read your stuff over and over again, i remember when it hit the resistance was finally we got trump russia and the media they play on people's ignorance. if your a lawyer, they got him on a process crime. they wouldn't have gotten you on obstruction of justice, they would have -- if you had anything about russia, they would have flipped you and worked their way up the food chain. so were they -- aft

it's really important to understand whether george papadopoulos, a, told the campaign anything about the conversations, and b, whether he was kept in trump's orbit because of rather than despite those russia connections. >> and part of it is he was doing a business deal both for himself and for mr. trump, and this confidant has said, i'm willing to take a polygraph. >>> did this plea put more issues on the president? >> it could. we don't know how much it's connected to robert mueller's probe. we do think that robert mueller will want to interview her, because she was interacting with various members of the trump campaign throughout the 2016 election. she actually interacted directly with trump himself at one event in las vegas in 2015, when she asked him what is your opinion on russian sanctions? i think a question is was that staged in any way? was that prepared so that he could use that opportunity to disclose to the world that he actually felt that sanctions on russia were not appropriate and to what extent, if any, her operation on the ground was connected to the broader russian

and there were single, papadopoulos, how does he fit? so my meeting with joseph mips a was the guy that told me about the emails that got me into trouble. >> and for those who don't understand >> we will set the table for this. everybody who has been indicted or processed time in his case he lied to the fbi, his claim, he said they told him when they talked about the emails the conversation had happened a month earlier and he was already on the campaign and hit talked about the email and then was approached about the emails. and the issue was that he lighted it fbi about that and the head of their investigation. and the same thing, it was called this -- obstruction of justice. and that's what they got there was no rush and colluding but when you read the actual documents it's all where are you in 2015? do you remember if it was june or july? i don't really know [ laughter ] , will you were actually here. they know better than you before they asked the question, so that's why the timeline is very important for that reason. >> basically, y

and former campaign adviser george papadopoulos after 14 days in jail. all of this as the president's lawyers -- it is the first time it's been acknowledged since the president submitted written responses. just within a couple minutes, there's garrett haake again, not george papadopoulos, who we saw in a car leaving jail where he's been the last couple weeks. garrett, let me go to you now. republicans behind closed doors are getting one last crack at comey before they are out of the majority a month from now. >> reporter: that's right, james comey is in the room, lawmakers have been filing in, and telling us on the way in, they expect this to be a long day. they have page after page of questions for the former fbi director, but lawmakers say they expect this hearing to create more heat than light. even republicans who are willing to subpoena him to get him here to answer questions on several sures, saying that they really would rather have rod rosenstein here, they don't have as much to go after comey for in the past. it's a chance for republicans, as yo

you've got papadopoulos coming out of jail. you've got flynn, that situation where they have issued a report explaining why they thought he shouldn't go to jail, because of the fact that he has come forward with information. and all of this is going on at the same time -- >> both flynn and cohen are going to be sentenced next week. >> exactly. all these pieces of puzzle coming together. but if they take out the corners of the puzzle, you don't have a puzzle. and that means keeping mueller going, making sure the investigation gets completed, allowing for a report if there is going to be a report, and then, of course, allowing for oversight from someone who is not conflicted out, and that would be rosenstein. >> so we've been talking about the problem with whitaker and the mueller investigation ever since whitaker was first named to this job. the thing that has not evolved at all since he was installed in the job, has zero transparency into whether or not he is overseeing the mueller investigation or not. there is some public sou

you've got papadopoulos coming out of jail. you've got flynn, that situation where they've issued a report explaining why thigh they thought he shouldn't go to jail, because of the fact that he has come forward with information, and all of this is going on at the same time. >> both flynn and cohen are going to be sentenced next week. >> exactly. it's all these pieces of a puzzle coming together. but if they take out the corners of the puzzle, you don't have the puzzle. and that means keeping mueller going, making sure the investigation gets completed, allowing for a report, if there is going to be a report, and then, of course, allowing for oversight from someone who has not flighted out, and that would be rosenstein. >> so we've been talking about the problem with whitaker and the mueller investigation ever since whitaker was first named to this job. the thing that has not evolved at all since he was involved in this job is we still, as far as i can tell, have zero transparency into whether or not he is overseeing the mueller

look at michael flynn, look at papadopoulos, manna fort, paul manafort, they share one connection. flynn and papadopoulos pled guilty to process crimes caused by the investigation itself and with flynn and the fbi didn't even think he was lying but he ran out of money and had to sell his house and i'm pretty sure his son was there and to be investigated if he didn't sign the papers. you had issues that were previously resolved that date back to 2007. loan applications and taxes and no matter what mueller throws at these men it doesn't matter. hours of interrogations, threats, life in prison, he's always offering to get out of jail free card if they say what mueller and his team want them to say. by the way, with no evidence whatsoever needed of any trump-russia collision, nothing has been seen. this is clearly not welcome news for the president. i looked at these documents and i don't see any evidence of conspiracy between members of the trump team and members of the russian government to interfere in the election. >> sean: no conspiracy, no collusion and no crime. what we have tho

pm papadopoulos, it surprised me after the memo that he only got 14 days. and then vander swain who was the dutch lawyer, he got 30 days. so different judges do sentence in different ways but obviously that will be one of the things that will tell us the degree of cooperation with flynn. he could get probation and that would be a pretty good sign he's got some pretty valuable stuff. >> gloria, tonight this comes as we have this roger stone information invoking the fifth amendment after the request from the senate judiciary committee from the democrat there, senator dianne feinstein, interview and documents. their investigation is still ongoing. stone's attorney wrote in a letter to feinstein when this request came in that stone has already testified to the house sbil je intelligence committee saying these requests are far too overbroad, far too overreaching, far too wide raininging in their all-embracing list of persons to whom the request could relate with whom mr. stone has communicated over the past three years and the documents concerning imprecision of

he sit out the circumstances of the george papadopoulos interview with the fbi in which papadopoulos lied, and he wanted to distinguish his circumstances from theirs. why? because they both got jail time. his attorneys desperately don't want him to get any jail time. so he highlighted things like, well, van der zwaan is an attorney, so he should have known better. van der zwaan was notified during the interview that lying could be a crime. similarly, papadopoulos was notified that it was a crime to lie to the fbi. and in a follow-up interview, papadopoulos had a lawyer with him and he continued to lie. so that's why i think flynn was -- and his lawyers, it's a nice piece of advocacy -- were trying to distinguish his laws and his situation from theirs. the second reason, lawrence, is they are obviously playing to judge emmet sullivan. judge emmet sullivan is a legendary judge here in d.c. i have appeared before him. he is a fiercely independent man, and i think they wanted to set out the equities of the situation because, even though bob mueller's team said no jail time and the defens

the court gave papadopoulos and exceptionally light sentence. some things of that necessarily gone that will for mueller. it's not clear what he's got to so many of the witnesses seem to have pushed back on mueller. with manafort there is this intriguing question of whether mueller played metaphor to whether manafort laid mueller. manafort -- played mueller. manafort looks like it went along to basically switched sides begin in the middle of this investigation. consider this, this is sort of the wonderful way, sort of side quarterbacking. mueller got this plea right after manafort was handed his head in virginia. he was not only convicted of multiple accounts come he came within one vote of basically being swept, the table being sucked up all counts, that he would've been convicted and everything picky was headed to d.c. where it was a far worse trial waiting for him when he was looking really horrific allegations, all of which seem quite supported by the prosecution. he then flips with mueller, avoid to those convictions, pleads to ten counts a

papadopoulos, we know, george papadopoulos, former foreign policy adviser who started the entire investigation, when in a night of drinking in london, he bragged to an australian diplomat that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton. that's what triggered all of this. but look, michael flynn was the national security adviser. jeff sessions was the attorney general. these are not, as trump famously described papadopoulos, coffee boys, by and large. these are family members and absolutely, in the most part, senior, either campaign officials or administration officials. gosh, there's a lot of smoke here, brooke. >> yeah. smoke, but, you know, they're looking into everyone. chris cillizza, thank you, here in new york. michael cohen's revelations are sparking renewed scrutiny of the trump family business. "the new york times" is reporting the federal prosecutors are honing in on what executives in the trump organization knew about cohen's payments, including one that was granted immunity in the investigation just over the summer. with me now, one of the reporters behind this story, willi william r

the memo he put in for papadopoulos was not positive. he asked for some jail time for papadopoulos. we saw he blew up manfort together, he said he lied, we're done with him. and this is all good news for flynn. mueller fully endorses him and says he's been real and good -- real and good for us. >> now if you are trump's attorneys, what do you make of the memo? >> i'd be nervous. rudy's putting on his brave face, and he has to do that. i'd be nervous. look, the fact that flynn did give information on what we're calling collusion. mueller says, yes, he did give us information on that. it's possible flynn could have gone and said i don't know anything about us coordinating the campaign, coordinating with the hackers, the russians, but he said -- he clearly said, yes, there was some connection. i'd be nervous about that. i'd be definitely nervous about this mystery investigation, as i call it. mystery criminal investigation. so it -- it should cause some alarm in the trump camp. i understand what rudy's doing. he's got to act, you know, nonchalant about it. >> sure. nice to have your ex

stacked & intact™ >>> the president's former campaign adviser george papadopoulos is out of prison and speaking at a republican event in washington right now called the american priority conference. he was released on friday after serving 12 day als of his 14 da sentence for lying to investigators about his contact with individuals tied to russia during the 2016 campaign. and his first tweet after being released, he thanked patriots for supporting his cause. i want to bring in caroline pelisi, a criminal defense attorney and represents papadopoulos in the russia investigation. good to see you. he's released from jail, now a speaking engagement. why? >> well, george has not been shy throughout this entire investigation. some people love him. some people hate him for it. but look, he's just looking to move on with his life and figure out a way to become a contributing member to society. he has a book coming out. he very much wants to get his story out there. you know, it's a different tact that most of the subjects of this investigation have taken. he's really an open book at this point.

consider what he tweeted about george papadopoulos. few people knew the young low level volunteer named george who was proven to be a liar. he referred to paul manafort, now a convicted felon. >> he worked for me for a very short period of time. >> reporter: he did defend michael flynn who's asking for no prison time. >> they took a general that they said didn't lie and they convinced him he did lie and he made some kind of a deal and now they're recommending no time. >> reporter: that's not exactly true. flynn pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his contacts with the russians during the transition period in late 2016. yet, the president repeated that claim later in the day. >> the fbi said michael flynn, a general and a great person, they said he didn't lie. mueller said, well, maybe he did. now they're all having a big dispute. >> reporter: the president was spreading other falsehoods away from the russia investigation, claiming once again that mexico will somehow pay for a border wall, tweeting, i often stated one

papadopoulos; what is it that they want cohen to say. and then i think fulfills the narrative of the white house that cohen is not exactly a discerning individual himself. >> bret: in fact the president has said he is a bold liar. he has tweeted that this guy lies all the time. >> and jukebox. anyone who puts a quarter in he will play the tune. so here you have got this guy who has a bad reputation for saying anything that will help him. but not saying enough to please the special counsel. now, what is really clear here on the cohen aspect too late for paul manafort going to be ground into a pure pump miss. they are dangling out what's called a 5 k 1.1 letter. which is basically a cooperation letter. and they come back and say you don't have that letter. what they are doing is turning this into a canned hunt. they will hit him with a sentence. only way he is out of that cage is if he tells them what they want to hear. that actually is concerning to me. because here's a guy who is obviously cooperating fully. they say he is credible. so w

they tried a strategy to differentiate him from vander swan and papadopoulos and it backfired as we saw today in court. this was lawyering i think as opposed to conspiracy posturing which so many people have read into this. >> joyce, let's keep me in law school. i got one more for you. so the judge also said, "i have to caution you that the sentence imposed today may not be the same sentence you would get after cooperation ends. the court likes to be in a position to say there's nothing else this defendant can do to help the united states of america." do you agree with frank's assessment that that redacted document suggests there's more flynn can do to help team america for which he serves? >> absolutely. it must be that that's the redacted portion ongoing investigation, which flynn can cooperate in, and it's unusual, nicolle, typically prosecutors don't ask that defendants be sentenced until their cooperation is complete because you want to have a little bit of a hammer over them if they take the witness stand at a trial. you want to ensure that they continue to cooperate. so along the

and the first two pleas, papadopoulos and flynn are lying, people didn't get the message. everyone else is lying down the chain, including michael cohen lying to congress and people amending their statements and now manafort. and manafort's the one who's -- his crimes and lies are going to be documented on friday and he's the one who's been in some ways the most rogue actor in all this. >> yeah. you know, i know there's been some disparaging of these cases as mere process crimes, as if they are not serious crimes. but if there's one thing we've all learned, robert mueller takes the process crimes seriously and sending a message other people should too, with good reason. when people lie, it delays an investigation. anyone complaining about the length of this investigation should look no further than the lies that are at the heart of it. and also when you're talking about national security officials and dealing with foreign adversaries, the lies are incredibly consequential. because not only are you facing potential criminal prosecution for lying, but then you also put yours

george papadopoulos, really? two weeks in jail, again, another process crime. it seems like mueller's goal at this point to go after trump and collusion in two different areas, which is why he's trying so hard to tie people i interviewed in the last week, both jerome corsi and roger stone, to wikileaks saying they were trying to get that information and give that information to the trump campaign. now both of them have told me in strong terms that they never talked to julian assange, they never talked to wikileaks. they never talked to any representatives of wikileaks. after the dnc leak, i assume they wanted the information. they were speculating that he might have more or, in the case of roger stone, he says a friend toll told him he had more. like the pentagon papers case, even if they did have the information, it wouldn't be illegal for them to get it if they didn't conspire to get it and steal it or hack into somebody's system to get it, correct? >> that's exactly right. let's assume that jeromet, corsi or roger stone successfully made contact with assange

george papadopoulos, really? two weeks in jail, again, another process crime it seems like mueller's goal at this point to go after trump collusion. why trying so hard to tie people i interviewed in the last week both jerome corsi and roger stone to week wikileas saying they were trying to get that information and give that information to the trump campaign. now, both of them have told me in strong terms that they never talked to julian assange, they never talked to wikileaks. they never talked to any representatives of wikileaks. after the dnc leak, i assume they wanted the information. they were speculating that he might have more or in the case of roger stone he says a friend toll told him he had more. like the pentagon papers case, even if they did have the information, it wouldn't be illegal for them to get it if they didn't conspire to get it and steal it or hack into somebody's system to get it, correct? >> that's exactly right. let's assume that jerome corsi or roger stone successfully made contact with a

george papadopoulos went to jail for lying to the fbi. but that's not the same criteria with a clinton person or andy mccabe and the i.g. referred him for criminal referral. he has not been prosecuted. there are two separate sets of rules. if you are a trump supporter the fbi and the department of justice comes after you. if you are a club on supporter you get immunity whether you are cheryl mills or huma abedin. trish: it's pretty political in your view? >> purely political and the mueller investigation needs to come to an end. trish: "trump's enemies" is in stores right now. here is a significant problem. you have got this addendum out tonight. this addendum which says there is a criminal investigation. but we have no idea what this criminal investigation is because it's all redacted. they had a criminal investigation into michael cohen and his personal business deal weather so-called taxi king. hard in, that had nothing to do with russia collusion. the criminal investigation referenced in relation to flynn may have nothing to do with t

jesse: george papadopoulos released from federal prison earlier this month serving 12 of his 14-day prison sentence as part of his guilty plea with bob mueller. he has had his world turned upside down by the investigation. when you were involved with the trump campaign back in the summer of 2016. you were invited to go to europe. this is when it all started. who invited you over there and why? >> when i was officially part of the campaign, i was living in london at the time. i was working for the london center for international law practice, which now we find out is some sort of obscure shady front for something that it wasn't. jesse: you were working for a group that you are didn't realize was a front group. >> you it was a front for western intelligence. jesse: what was the first meeting that set this thing in motion? >> so i'm officially part of the campaign around march 11. and i tell this group, i'm leaving london, i'm going back to the u.s. and joining trump. but they wanted to bring me to rome with them to this university. after i look into the school, after i have had time this pas

what we see now is the reverse side of it, meaning we have a long history between george papadopoulos -- beginning with george papadopoulos in march of 2016 who understand his job as connections to the russians and communicating with the trump campaign but we also learned that the trump tower moscow deal was happening and in 2015 the russians were directly reaching out to the trump world. so we already knew that there was lots of contact with russia even before this document. what we're seeing is there's more we didn't know about. that we also know there's going to be a continued investigation and the fact the manafort filing has been redacted. in terms of the southern district, it's clear. what they're saying quite frankly is, look, this guy didn't do the right thing and by the way he was a lawyer. his obligation to do the right thing was heightened and he came in, he was not really -- he didn't formulate a cooperation agreement, he didn't agree to talk to us about things that may be crimes that he was not already pleading guilty to and that should bring us right back around to the t

papadopoulos maybe. if you are on the inner core or if you are jared kushner or the president, if we find evidence of wrong-doing, we have to take it seriously because it's so core to the esz essence of our government. >> it's not peanuts. >> not peanut stuff. we are standing by for this press briefing that we will bring to you live. stay with us. ♪ t-mobile believes, it's better to give than to receive. some may disagree. others won't believe it. and some just won't have the words. join t-mobile and get the samsung galaxy s9 free. right? but hurry offer ends soon. ♪ >>> we are breaking news as we await the white house press briefing to get some reaction from sarah sanders, the press secretary. this was scheduled for almost 25 minutes ago, so this should be happening any moment now. big news today. michael flynn, the former fired national security adviser to president trump went to court and it seemed that he wouldn't be getting any jail time, he wouldn't be facing a stiff sentence but the judge gett

jesse: george papadopoulos released from federal prison earlier this month serving 12 of his 14-day prison sentence as part of his guilty plea with bob mueller. he has had his world turned upside down by the investigation. when you were involved with the trump campaign back in the summer of 2016. you were invited to go to europe. this is when it all started. who invited you over there and why? >> when i was officially part of the campaign, i was living in london at the time. i was working for the london center for international law practice, which now we find out is some sort of obscure shady front for something that it wasn't. jesse: you were working for a group that you are didn't realize was a front group. >> you it was a front for western intelligence. jesse: what was the first meeting that set this thing in motion? >> so i'm officially part of the campaign around march 11. and i tell this group, i'm leaving london, i'm going back to the u.s. and joining trump. but they wanted to bring me to rome with them to y east, my personal ideas, my business was the energy business in israel. the

meaning we have a long history between george papadopoulos -- beginning with george papadopoulos in march of 2016, who understood his job as connections to the russians. and in april and may communicating up the chain with the trump campaign about meeting with russia. but we also find out that trump moscow tower deal was happening at the same time and back in november 2015, the russians were also directly reaching out to the trump world. so we already knew that there was lots of contact with russia, even before this document. what we're seeing is that there's a lot more that we did not know about. that we also know that there's going to be a continued investigation into it. that's quite clear, both from the michael flynn filing as well as from the fact there was a lot redacted in that and the fact that the manafort filing has been redacted. in terms of the southern district it's all quite clear. what they're saying, quite frankly, is look, this guy didn't do the right thing. and by the way, he was a lawyer. his obligation to do the right thing was heightened. and he came in, he was not re

shawn hannity can say don't snitch or work for the fbi, but it doesn't apply to papadopoulos and a lot of other people will go down. and how much they align, this is bigger than media i hhypocrisy i want to ask you if you think this is channelling donald trump's legal approach and say never talk to in spite of your love of law enforcement, don't talk to them ever. if you say thing long thing and they throw your blank in jail. i wonder about this civil libertarianism that we see from parts of the fox news supporting groups. and if you are not doing anything wrong, they show they don't believe in the rule of law. if donald trump had not done anything wrong, his son wouldn't be afraid. and if shawn hannity wasn't knee deep in the muck, he would keep his mouth shut. she is just as guilty as those he is trying to defend. >> that's why we wanted to put a spotlight on it. plenty of reporters and lawyers had those views. for it to be blatant the way he talked about urban communities and the way he tried to smich for that stop snitching effort and now doing this. it's out there for everyone to

george papadopoulos was an adviser. he pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contacts to russian intermediaries and was sentenced to 14 days in prison. papadopoulos was released two days early but must still serve 200 hours of community service and pay a fine. >>> one of the most powerful tech executives made a court appearance. there is concern that all this drama will affect trade relations with the u.s. the u.s. has been trying to catch her for years now. she is the ceo of huawei. on top of that, there's suspicion that huawei is a front for chinese spying. >> we would like china's cooperation. you can't break the law. if you break the american law, you break the canadian law, you got to pay the consequences of that. >> she was arrested the same day president trump met with china's xi jinping at the g-20 to discuss resolving their trade war. prosecutors call her a flight risk, so she hasn't been extradited to the u.s. yet. >>> a driver hit and killed a man in contra costa county on ma maltoven drive. the man wa

14 days for papadopoulos? i did better on traffic violations than they did with papadopoulos. >> when you say good luck. no interview. >> they're a joke. over my dead body. >> this morning the president taking aim at the mueller investigation saying it looks here as though general flynn's defenses are incidental to something larger for the prosecution to figure out if it can find a path to donald trump without quite knowing what the crime might be. it looks more like a persecution of the president. the "wall street journal." thank you, people are starting to see and understand what this witch hunt is all about. jeff sessions should be ashamed of himself for allowing this total hoax to get started in the first place. rudy giuliani, whose job is to protect the president, says the special counsel's office and the southern district of new york and the way that they are operating is reprehensible and there should be repercussions. listen here. >> what they did to general flynn should result in discipline. they are

i did better on traffic violations than they did with papadopoulos. >> you're saying no interview. >> they're a joke. over my dead body. >> the president promised multiple times to sit down for an interview. that brings us to abby phillip at the white house. is he going to stick with it this time and never sit down with the special counsel? >> that remains to be seen. it's been interesting this weekend watching the white house. the president's aides and the president himself really go on an offensive against robert mueller. also against president trump's former personal attorney michael cohen, who last week pled guilty in recent weeks to charges that directly implicated the president. the president is revisiting a key issue here, which was that raid on michael cohen's office earlier this year that produced so much of what we have seen come out of the court documents. in his tweet this weekend, the president said michael cohen became a rat only after the fbi did something which was absolutely unthinkable and unheard of. he says the witch hunt was illegally started and he accused the fb

. >> i was talking to kenneth star of all people last night, and he thinks one issue, papadopoulos was brought up and he got jail time, and it was 14 days but it was jail time. perhaps this judge was looking at michael flynn, a retired three-star general, somebody who was a white house national security adviser and was basically saying it's one fair is papadopoulos, a lower level guy gets jail time and you get nothing. >> yeah, i think's a message there. also, people that occupy such senior positions in the government, and specifically in the white house, should be held to a higher standard. yeah, i think, again, he makes a good point. >> you feel that way based on your years of service? >> feel what way? >> that people who have higher level positions should be held to a higher standard? >> yeah, i do. i absolutely do. >> all right. director clapper, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thanks, john. >>> coming up, an incredible rescue captured on police body camera, and to understand the full magnitude of it, we want to show you more of it. a police officer pulling a

14 days for papadopoulos. i did better on traffic violations. than they did with papadopoulos. they are a joke. they're a joke. over my dead body, but you know, i could be dead. >> for more on that, we have boris sanchez from the white house. >> reporter: dave and christine, rudy giuliani in clean-up mode this weekend after michael cohen was sentenced to three years in prison and made negative comments about the president in public. giuliani effectively trying to discredit michael cohen and put distance between the former fixer and the white house. giuliani insisting the payments made to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal were not campaign contributions. >> it is not a crime. it's not a crime, george. paying $130,000 to stormy whatever and paying $100,000 to the other one is not a crime. if there is another peurpose, it's no longer a campaign contribution. suppose he used his campaign funds to payoff stormy daniels? it would be a campaign violation. it's not. >> reporter: in the southern district of new york, michael cohen plead guilty to campaign finance violations for those sp

papadopoulos, right, mueller put in a very negative sentencing memo on papadopoulos, and paul manafort, who mueller threw out altogether, and manafort is looking at an extremely high sentence. there is important messages to be sent, if you cooperate and do it right and truthfully you will get a benefit but if you come and play games it will back fire. >> the special counsel still wants to interview president trump on the russia investigation, and his lawyers have pushed back and say they are opposed and don't want to do that. here is what president trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, said about the president's truthfulness. take a listen. >> special counsel did say you were doing your best to tell the truth about everything related to their investigation, everything related to russia. do you think president trump is telling the truth about that? >> no. >> so very simply, is it in president trump's interest to sit down with mueller? >> no, if i was representing the president i would fight that at all costs. there are two ways this can go. they can agree to terms of an interview betwee

lawyers for papadopoulos tried to get him out of his plea deal by arguing the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein didn't have the authority to appoint robert mueller to oversee the investigation. the court said that isn't true. breaking now, the president has just launched another extraordinary attack. tweeting just moments ago that one of his own hand picked and heavily lauded cabinet members was dumb as a rock and he couldn't get rid of him fast enough. the tit and tat with the president and rex tillerson. more changes ahead for the trump team. the president announcing his picks to replace the attorney general, jeff sessions and the u.n. ambassador nikki haley. and the dow, which has been down almost 700 points on the session and now down 550 on concerns about apparently trade with china. that is as the news rolls on on this friday afternoon. i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know so many of you have served our country honorably. one of the benefits that we as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your

. >> good luck when he trapped him into perjury, 14 days for papadopoulos? i did better on traffic violations than they did with papadopoulos. >> you say no interview? >> over my dead body but, you know, i could be dead. they're a joke. >> also raising questions about cohen, trump. there are conversations about that trump tower moscow project. what did giuliani say? >> he seems to be indicating, brooke, that those conversations between the president and michael cohen might have gone longer than we previously knew. we know michael cohen pled guilty to lying to congress when he said that deal to pursue a trump tower in moscow

. >> good luck when he trapped him into perjury, 14 days for papadopoulos? i did better on traffic violations than they did with papadopoulos. >> you say no interview? >> over my dead body but, you know, i could be dead. they're a joke. >> also raising questions about cohen, trump. there are conversations about that trump tower moscow project. what did giuliani say? >> he seems to be indicating, brooke, that those conversations between the president and michael cohen might have gone longer than we previously knew. we know michael cohen pled guilty to lying to congress when he said that deal to pursue a trump tower in moscow was shelved in the summer of 2016 when he later admitted it went through november 2016. this is what rudy giuliani said yesterday. >> did donald trump know that michael cohen was pursuing the trump tower in moscow into the summer of 2016? >> according to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to november of 2016. said he had conversations with him about it. >> so there, brooke, he says through november of 2016, pote

you look at george papadopoulos, as well. he has been richly rewarded with very little penalty. and so that's a very good point. the president, as we know, is mercurial. you can't really depend on him to pardon someone like mueller. there is a structure in place. >> papadopoulos cooperated, pleaded guilty, two weeks in jail. >>> there is much more we're following, including the very emotional tributes to the late president, george h.w. bush, and a very moving state funeral. but there were also some tensions that were there for president trump and his predecessors. it was a no-brainer. i switched to geico and saved hundreds. that's a win. but it's not the only reason i switched. the geico app makes it easy to manage my policy. i can pay my bill, add a new driver, or even file a claim. woo, hey now! that's a win-win. thank you! switch to geico®. it's a win-win. you should be mad at leaf blowers. [beep] you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. and you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. but you're not mad, because you have e*trade which i

14 days for papadopoulos. i did better on traffic violations than they did with papadopoulos. >> you say good luck, no way, no interview. >> they are a joke! over my dead body but you know, i could be dead. kennedy: you're telling me the chance! giuliani also trashed the credibility of the presidents formula are michael cohen and double down on his claims that then candidate trump did not know about hush money payments that michael cohen made on his behalf. so would not constitute a finance violation. so has rudy giuliani lost his mind or has he found a weak spot in the special counsel case? tonight the panel drains me. a correspondent for the greg gutfeld show and reported financial review, and is katherine timpf along with editor at large, matt welch and ahead writer for this very show, the finest in olive cable news, thanks to laura ingram -- [laughter] >> sure in other words -- true -- >> advising donald trump is horseback riding. you can do things with the rains but at the end of the day you are going whe

. >>> let's talk about george papadopoulos. president trump's former campaign adviser says he will run for congress. in a tweet posted yesterday he wrote, it's true, i'll be running for congress in 2020 and i will win, stay tuned. listen, this isn't something new for him necessarily. he was thinking about running for office before he went to prison. >> don't want to give up my goals of staying in politics. i'm still a relatively young person. i'm 31 years old. i achieved working in politics at a very high level at a very relatively young age, and, um, once i'm done supporting my wife's project in california, i certainly would love to entertain jumping back into politics. >> running for office? >> yes. >> really? >> yes. i think i have something to give back. >> earlier this month papadopoulos was released from federal prison after serving a 12-day prison sentence. he pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi during special counsel robert mueller's investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. >>> coming up, the panel i

14 days for papadopoulos -- i did better on traffic violations than they did with papadopoulos. >> no interview question marks because they are a joke. over my dead body. but, you know, i could be dead. >> harris: let's unpack in reverse order. over his dead body. [laughs] >> kennedy: i think this is been the consistent message from his legal team. he won't sit down for an interview. the former legal team acquiesced too much, gave millions of pages of documents, and they have agreed to written answers. now they see that the fruits of mueller's labor are slowly coming to the service. none of it appears to be good news for the president. there is very little upside for him. i've said that he should sit down, because i think impeachment could be the best thing for him. i think it either removes him from office because he's dumb something horrible and he should be president, or it makes him the most popular president in the modern era and guaranteed his reelection. >> harris: you heard republicans saying as much after clinton, that it helped his numbers and lowered there is in some cases.

in part of the conversations, emmet sullivan brought up the comparison from the papadopoulos to other cases. the sentencing has been delayed and michael flynn was supposed to be sentenced today and his lawyers accepted the hint that it be delayed. the judge wants to see the full extent of his cooperation, a clear indication that he was prepared to send michael flynn to prison if he wanted to go ahead with it. the judge talking about the papadopoulos and van der swan cases where both of those defendants convicted of lying served prison time. short prison time, but the judge was saying you were the national security adviser to the president of the united states. how do they go to jail and you don't? yes, there is a virginia case with the partner who is have been charged with not filing the right paperwork, but the redacted part of the mueller investigation about russia, my clear hint is the judge wants to know what is that about? what's the fruit that is redacted before i decide you don't go to prison? >> the judge saw what's redact and received the information of the full scope of his

george papadopoulos? do you see that they're simply entrapment and have nothing to do with the collusion case? >> no. this entrapment claim is a diversion by giuliani and company. here's the thing. general flynn had a really strong adept criminal defense team working for him. if there was an entrapment defense under the law, i can assure you it would have been asert asserted by flynn's defense team. because they knew there was no entrapment, because flynn lied willingly, readily, and repeatedly, the defense knew they had nowhere to go on the law. what did they do? they advised him to plead guilty. general flynn entered a knowing, intelligent, guilty plea why? not because he was entrapped but because he broke the law by lying to the fbi. the defense team when they wrote that memo, yes, they tried to minimize the nature of his lie. they tried to distinguish it from the circumstances under which papadopoulos lied and alex vand vander swan lied. they did that because they themselves? jail and they were trying