[applause] michael: hi. i am michael brendan dougherty. i met our next guest 14 years ago, i was a nobody who just moved to washington. to avoid law school or graduating college at all. i landed a job that did not have any letterhead, i wrote letters to people whose writings i liked and one of them was tucker and i told him a story of three years earlier i had been in a borders bookstore and i saw his book, "politicians, partisans, and parasites: my adventures in cable news." [laughter] and i had $20, that was all the disposable income i had. i picked up the book and sat in a chair and read it cover to cover, and i put it back on the shelf. [laughter] [applause] michael: i wrote him a letter and i told him the story, i put it back on the shelf because my friend had called me earlier and said you have to see "lost in translation." it is peak scarlett johansson. [laughter] so i told the story in a letter and i send it to tucker, he does not know who i am, i am a nobody. i get a call two days later. from tucker. he says, you made the right ch

that's what michael told me. anything michael told me was gospel me. anything michael told me was gospel. so i was ready to defend michael and myself to the end of the earth, andi michael and myself to the end of the earth, and i did that, and the only way, the way michael taught me to do that was to lie. this is the truth 110w. this is the truth. that michael sexually abused me for seven years. the second case, the criminal trial in 2005 -- the second case, the criminal trial in 2005 —— trial, was a similar thing, i was terrified at the idea of people finding out what happened between michael and i, because michael always made me feel that i was complicit in it, that i wanted it just as was complicit in it, that i wanted itjust as much, if not more than him. so the idea of people finding this out, i was about to get married at the time, the idea of my wayfinding outcome i thought, i guess i was a freak too if that's what people thought michael was, than i would be a freak too, so maybe my wife would leave me, my career would fall apart, my life wo

michael says he may have dozed off. when he went back inside the house sometime after 2:00 a.m., there was kathleen at the bottom of the stairs. a ghastly sight. >> and i saw her lying in the back staircase. her feet out. and there was blood. there was just blood everywhere. >> my wife's had an accident. she's still breathing. >> what kind of accident? >> she fell down the stairs. >> reporter: was she breathing? >> she was at the time. >> reporter: she was? >> yeah. >> is she conscious? >> what? >> is she conscious? >> no, she's not conscious. >> i knew she was dying. i mean, i'd seen enough of that in vietnam. i mean, i knew she was dying. >> please, get somebody here right away. please! >> okay, somebody's dispatching the ambulance. >> send the ems right away, right away, right away. called them again. how -- but apparently it's only, like, two minutes later. but it seemed like forever. >> reporter: a long few minutes, but nothing compared to the many, many years of questions that would follow. what had happened on th

can you describe how michael jackson got them to trust him like that? michael... you know, there is a long grooming process where michael inserts himself into your family and becomes a part of your family, and he grooms the children and he grooms the parents as well. so, you know, it's a meticulous sort of build—up for him to be able to do that, and it takes him a while to build the trust, doesn't happen overnight. so, you know, not letting our parents off or, you know, saying that it's not their fault, but i think people need to understand that it just doesn't happen... right away. you know? the parents... and he's also a major star. they know him already as well. so there's years of them feeling comfortable with the star they've seen on tv. and it also kind of shows how, you know, michael groomed the world as well. i think most of the time the sexual abuser is not the scary guy in the van, in the alleyway. of course, that happens sometimes. but i think it's the minority of the case. most of the time it's the coach, the teacher, the uncle, the stepfather, the f

michael cohen is indeed a lawyer. but you have all these public statements from donald trump himself saying that, oh, michael cohen didn't do anything for me. he was just this guy i let hang around. he didn't really do anything. as usual, on the record, we have trump statements that sort of contradict a trump theory of defense. the other issue is if you're a lawyer in a retainer agreement, those things are written. i've seen retainer agreements for lawyers. they're pretty simple. >> yes. >> there's got to be a retainer agreement that you produce or there isn't. if allen weissleberg can't produce that retainer agreement, i don't know how he justifies signing these checks. >> well, then we'd be shocked again to discover that members of the trump trio are lying about what's occurred here. you know, it's interesting that that irrevocable trust is in place here. it was essentially this fig leaf that was established to give the appearance that the trump family was insulating the trump family businesses from the white house

an exhibition that looks at the influence of late pop star michael jackson on art and on other artists has opened in bonn and the that's hosting it is having to justify the decision to go ahead with it and the show opens just weeks after the h.b.o. documentary leaving neverland made new allegations of jackson's alleged sexual. abuse of children forcing us to consider the king of pop in a new light. who was this man who millions of fans still hail as the king of pop this exhibition portrays michael jackson through the work of more than forty contemporary artists they include some well known works like these portraits by andy warhol but should the singer still be given center stage in light of the most recent accusations of sexual abuse this exhibition is controversial. we have enough we have you know well it's an exhibition which explores michael jackson as a cultural phenomenon naturally jackson's personality is also included musical ultimately we're showing a media cultural history here but we do take the criticism seriously. there have been previous allegations of child sexual abuse

you looked at michael cohen. the public is obsess because they recognize an every-man quality in cohen >> cohen gave us a picture, a building -- believable picture of the mna. >> we are seed a humbled michael cohen. a lot of it rings true. >> i was very troughed of him. of i was really proud. sean what happened yesterday was a disgrace. -- you would think they would be more interested in the safety and security of people around the world. i thought politics was supposed to stop at the water's edge. that's what top democrats told us when obama was negotiating the deal that would give iran who wanted to wipe israel off the map, he was negotiating giving them 150-million dollars. he had a different opinion. >> the cost to our reputation in the world. we get a new president. we will find a reason to impeach him. >> it's unprecedented for a political party to interview to intervene to embarrass the president of the united states. >> some members of congress want to make progress with the hard liners in iran. it's unus

michael: i personally don't do social media. david: at all? michael: at all. we do some social media but , we are very careful. it is about risk management. i don't think we will get somebody trying to hack or do something, steal credentials, but that we build backup systems in place. we monitor. we train people about phishing so that when you get an email and people want you to click, you know to not do that without getting a confirmation. we call our security folks, and nine times out of 10, it is something bogus. david: when you go to a foreign country, do you not take your cell phone or take the sim card out? michael: when i go to the u.k. or europe, i take my devices, if i go to china or russia, i bring a separate device. david: i think it is fair to say you are an authority on risk. what is the riskiest thing you have ever done? michael: wow. i am sure some of it, when i went to the u.s. attorney's office some people said why did you do that? why did you leave a good law firm job? i like to think it was a calculated risk. i weighted the positives against

to michael about it? >> no, i don't. >> have a seat right here. >> reporter: still, edmunds decided it was time to bring in michael for a second round of questioning. and this time, the investigator turned up the heat. >> michael, it's over, okay? i'm not playing games anymore. >> reporter: at first, michael said he didn't even know that becky and david were having an affair. >> i know about the affair with your mom and david. >> my mom and david? >> don't play stupid with me. don't play stupid with me. i'm telling you right now. it'll get ugly real quick, okay? this is your one and only chance to get yourself out of a whole load of trouble. >> it gets pretty hot and heavy in that interview room. >> listen to me. listen to me. i know what's going on, okay. i know your mom wanted kay dead, okay? do you want to go to prison for the rest of your life? >> no sir. >> you need to start talking here and now. >> i didn't know it was david. >> bulls ---. >> i swear to you. >> bulls ---. >> reporter: then edmunds m

let's talk about michael cohen. he claims the president made it clear he was expected to lie under oath to congress about that moscow trump tower deal and his legal team reviewed and edited the statement ahead of time. do you expect the documents to support that claim? >> they are expected to support it. michael cohen has problems with his own credibility having lied to congress. now he is explaining that lie and involving not only the president's lawyers but the president himself in his contention that the president by code by implicit encouragement lead him to lie and the important point here is we are reaching a moment of reckoning for the lawyers if there's a fraud or a federal felony that privilege goes out the window. they going to have answers now. they will have to give to congressional committees and to grand juries. >> what should congress do with this information? >> congress has to hear from those lawyers. it has to review the documents because they provide essential cooberation. there have others that h

it's not. >> was it known to kathleen, michael? >> i think it was one of these things that was not discussed but known. it was -- >> don't ask, don't tell? >> yeah. exactly. and of course, when i was growing up, there wasn't any don't ask, don't tell. it was don't, period. >> had she known that there were assignations, that there were hookups, what did -- how do you think she would've taken it? >> i wish i had told her. i mean, that's one my regrets -- regrets. i wish i -- we had discussed it. we didn't. i was afraid not that she would leave me, she wouldn't -- that she just wasn't -- she was the most open-minded, liberal, intelligent woman. >> reporter: as for the other piece of the prosecution's motive, that the petersons were on the edge of financial ruin -- >> oh, that was bull. >> a lot of money out on cards. >> total -- >> expensive schools that were bleeding them. the wonderful house was something of a money pit. what's your reaction to all of that stuff? >> well, my reaction is exactly what the prosecution proved. >> report

so they are looking right away into michael cohen's communications. we learned it wasn't just limited to the e-mails. mueller's team was getting pen register warrants looking at incoming and outgoing calls to cohen over a period of time. they were watching his electronics and who he was talking to. poppy? >> kara, thank you very much for the reporting. we'll get back to you soon. >>> meantime we want to bring you this update. u.s.-backed forces in syria captured several isis militants they believe are linked to a january suicide attack. of course you will remember the attack because of the four americans it killed. officer jonathan farmer, navy technician shannon kent, scott wirtz, and ghadi taher who was working as an interpreter with the army. they were killed in the explosion. barbara starr has more from the pentagon. what do you know? >> reporter: good morning, poppy. you will remember the horrific video that shows the suicide attack unfolding that day in january in northern syria that killed the four americans and several syrians, of course. now

he didn't ask did michael cohen do this on his own. sean hannity sat there and told the president that michael cohen, you know, did this payment to stormy daniels on his own. and then the president just agreed with that. that sounds like testimony that the committees are going to want to hear. >> they may. >> under oath, i meant to add. under oath. >> right. and under oath is a big distinction. it's an important thing. but i wanted to build on what bill said. it's not just the stupid party but it is a party that has been corrupt in a lot of ways. and that's not an easy thing to say for be? like me and bill, who've been lifelong republicans. but it's just been stunning to watch this unfold. and i think what happened was an original sin, which is that the party tied itself to donald trump and they decided they would follow him wherever he went. and so his moral and intellectual failures and defects became theirs. and what's happened is that they will not stand up to him at any point regardless of what he says. when he said during the cam

michael cohen is a convicted liar. the president has certainly lied and stretched the truth and we all know his record on that. with so many people with difficulty telling the truth, is it even possible to figure out conclusively where the truth actually lies? >> sure it is. and i would point to the -- to michael cohen showing up and handing over checks signed by the president backing up his statement that i was reimbursed by the president for paying hush money to stormy daniels. there is documentation, and again i don't want to get into too much detail, but he provided documentation to the committee, these are people who communicate by e-mail and they communicate by text. though the president does not, the president's people do. and again, i think there is much more to the story that -- part of the reason we're being quiet about exactly what happened in the testimony of michael cohen is that his testimony and the information that he provided will probably cause us to call in some of those people. and we don't want the

cohen, but specifically directing michael cohen to commit crimes. they say that michael cohen committed his crimes "in coordination with and at the direction of donald trump," the southern district of new york is also investigating president trump's inaugural committee and what it did with the $107 million in donations that it has not accounted for and then there is congress's responsibility to continue its investigations, consider this point made but our next guest david fraum in the atlantic. a finding that the trump campaign only went along for the ride does not rehabilitate the democratic or patriotic legitimacy of the trump presidency. it's up to congress to deal with this threat to american self-rule. joining our discussion now is david fraum, a senior editor for the atlantic, who most recently wrote the question the mueller report has not answered and jill wine banks, an msnbc legal analyst. and jill, i want to start with you on your reaction to william barr's letter, what you see in it. >> well, one, i'm very surprised at mueller's supposedl

michael? >> michael: i would like briefly to disagree with every thing jessica said perry [laughter] very quickly. just at that we were unfair to the palestinians -- >> jessica: i said that was their perception pair that's not my perception. >> michael: a terrorist organization that they elected. to compare her oakmont doll doughnut comments others is absurd. any criticism of politicians taking money -- >> jessica: what about the george soros stuff? >> michael: he's a terrible man. >> melissa: the what about his son -- medially turns off. that's how everybody deals with all of these arguments today. it's almost like two wrongs make a right what about when the person on your team did the same thing question what we don't make any progress when we do that. i wish i could out lifestyle together. i think what mitch mcconnell did when he strikes a chord committee said it becomes fashionable. >> harris: in other parts of the world. >> melissa: he said he's worried that it's going to -- to some membe

he suggested he might pardon michael flynn. these questions, both legal and also political have been out in the open for a very long time. >> kara, if that were not enough, there's more. now we are learning that michael cohen is suing the trump organization for nearly $2 million because the trump organization didn't pay legal fees. tell us about that. >> that's right. michael cohen filed the lawsuit in new york, saying that the trump organization breached their agreement to indemnify him of legal fees and expenses he would incur for his work at the trump organization, which he says included the hush money payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. he alleges this agreement was struck in july 2017 as these investigations were going under way. when it came time to -- when michael cohen's document review after his raid was being finalized, that the trump organization just stopped paying those legal fees and cohen is alleging that's because he was switching lawyers and was going to start the path to cooperate with prosecutors.

michael: no. this year, we've already lost over $1 million, and it'll likely lose another couple hundred thousand in the next few weeks. lemonis: what do you think the break-even is right now? what does it need to do to break even? michael: somewhere around $400,000 to $500,000 a month in revenue. lemonis: why is that number so high? michael: running the operations here without her taking salary or anything like that is over $100,000 a month. lemonis: that's rent, the employees, not including cogs. michael: not including cogs. it's including the equipment, right, which is all leased, the rent. lemonis: the company is bleeding money because the overhead established for the revenue, you can't outrun it. what i would've expected rachel to do through the process is start out, probably, making cookies at home and then go commercial kitchen, where other people can actually share the expense. if she outgrew the commercial kitchen, she would start making phone calls to co-packers. it's a way to increase p

an exhibition that looks at the influence of late pop star michael jackson on art and on other artists has opened in bonn and the buddhist queens tyler that's hosting it is having to justify the decision to go ahead with it and the show opens just weeks after the h.b.o. documentary leaving neverland made new allegations of jackson's alleged sexual. abuse of children forcing us to consider the king of pop in a new light. who was this man who millions of fans still hail as the king of pop this exhibition portrays michael jackson through the work of more than forty contemporary artists they include some well known works like these portraits by andy warhol but should the singer still be given center stage in light of the most recent accusations of sexual abuse this exhibition is controversial. we have enough so we have you developed an exhibition which explores michael jackson as a cultural phenomenon naturally jackson's personality is also included musical ultimately we're showing a media cultural history here but we do take the criticism seriously. there have been previous allegations of

i'm not going to pardon michael flynn or michael cohen? he won't do that because he is trying to do anything he can and not above doing anything to keep them loyal to him. michael cohen is testifying anyway. he has no life jacket. he's got no cooperation agreement with the southern district of new york or mueller team and not getting a pardon for donald trump. i think that actually makes his testimony even more credible and if you believe what he's saying, it's very damming for the president and it gives us the responsibility to put back in place the rule of law in our country, which is a wrecking ball taken to it in the last two years. >> do you expect this "wall street journal" report will lead to a new series of questions for michael cohen the next time you speak to him? it's going to be at the intelligence committee behind closed doors. >> the issue of whether the president is offering pardons or whether there are discussions is something that we should definitely run to ground and explore not just with michael cohen because i think th

let me start with michael cohen sympathizers. michael cohen sympathizers say this is proof that a pardon was dangled in front of him. they say this is an attorney with close ties to rudy giuliani who, by the way, just joined the president's legal team days before. so they say just look at this. look at this evidence and he -- he was dangling this pardon in not so many words, because as we point out in our piece the word pardon was never actually used, but i did talk to robert costello last night and he called that explanation, and i'm quoting here, utter nonsense and he said that what he was doing was trying to smooth out a troubled relationship between the president and michael cohen and vice versa. so the question is was it about a pardon or was it about fixing this relationship which he says michael cohen was very worried about. >> you have friends in high places is the thing that catches me up and doesn't quite sit with that narrative there. >> yes. >> nonetheless, so this isn't the only e-mail. there are others and there was

an exhibition that looks at the influence of late pop star michael jackson on art and on other artists has opened in bonn and the buddhist queens tuller that's hosting it is having to justify the decision to go ahead with it and the show opens just weeks after the h.b.o. documentary leaving neverland made new allegations of jackson's alleged sexual. abuse of children forcing us to consider the king of pop in a new light. who was this man who millions of fans still hail as the king of pop this exhibition portrays michael jackson through the work of more than forty contemporary artists they include some well known works like these portraits by andy warhol but should the singer still be given center stage in light of the most recent accusations of sexual abuse this exhibition is controversial. we have enough we have you developed an exhibition which explores michael jackson as a cultural phenomenon naturally jackson's personality is also included musical ultimately we're showing a media cultural history here but we do take the criticism seriously. there have been previous allegations of c

michael: all right. amber: bye, michael. we love you. [ laughs ] richard: okay, guys, i am projecting probably about 35% to 50% growth next year. lemonis: you think we can do almost $4 million next year? richard: i believe we can. the company in this next year looks like it's gonna grow by leaps and bounds. lemonis: the factory's scheduled to open in the next 90 days, and the co-packer will be gone, which will give us the ability to double our profit from $450,000 to $900,000. in addition to that, rich has $1 million of orders sitting on his desk, and i expect those orders to get processed very quickly. michael: i learned about calculated risk. everything you do, every decision you make in a business has to have that risk-reward. lemonis: you guys have pulled off, in my opinion, what is one of the hardest things to do in american business, which is to have a family business. because so often, the failure rate is off the charts. you should be very proud of yourselves. they're great people. amber: when we went back to film a r

you look back at michael jackson's live. he was always surrounding himself with children everywhere he went. and when you look at the way that people who do abuse children i'm just observing all of this as we watch this documentary and i listen to you it was like grooming on steroids at neverland. candy, free candy, animals, your birthday party. the sleepover parties. you know, it is so hard to not -- to discount their stories given everything that we have all seen over the years. >> a men to everything you just said, martha. did i spend quite a bit of time with michael jackson in neverland and also when he was in exile in the days leading up to that trial. he was frightened. he was paranoid he didn't know who to trust. he had just been burned by the british journalist who ingratiated himself with michael eight months and devastated him with an expose i thought was grotesquely unfair. just because michael jackson was weird and never land was this creation, this disneyland-like creation doesn't make him a molester. i don't kn

an exhibition that looks at the influence of late pop star michael jackson on art and on other artists has opened in bonn and the bonus points tyler that's hosting it is having to justify the decision to go ahead with it and the show opens just weeks after the h.b.o. documentary leaving neverland made new allegations of jackson's alleged sexual. abuse of children forcing us to consider the king of pop in a new light. who was this man who millions of fans still hail as the king of pop this exhibition portrays michael jackson through the work of more than forty contemporary artists they include some well known works like these portraits by andy warhol but should the singer still be given center stage in light of the most recent accusations of sexual abuse this exhibition is controversial. we have new developments admission which explores michael jackson as a cultural phenomenon naturally jackson's personality is also included musical ultimately we're showing a media cultural history here but we do take the criticism seriously. there have been previous allegations of child sexual abuse by

do we know michael cohen for sure -- that the president knew for sure michael cohen was going in line. >> what we know is his attorneys actually reviewed this particular document and those attorneys are obviously representing the president and they presumably knew what the timeline was that michael cohen was presenting as well as what the president did during 2016 and those things contradict each other. >> i appreciate you letting me press you on this. these details really do matter. they get to michael cohen's credibility and the potential culpability of the president and his legal team. let me ask you as you are a member of both key committees, what do you think the next most important single thing is to focus on? >> with regard to this particular timeline or generally? >> generally. >> the next thing generally is there were various witnesses that were actually called out by michael cohen within his open testimony and the oversight committee as well as the intel committee. the next logical steps would be to call the witnesses in and ask them to testify as to the particular events in

talking forced regime change i'm joined by my guest michael holmes live in washington he's a senior fellow at the brookings institution and in paris. we have long is a former foreign affairs minister of ecuador currently an associate researcher at the institute of strategic and international relations right gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate it let's go to gail i'm in paris over the last few days john bolton the national security adviser was on. c.n.n. with jake tapper and he said the following i'd like to see a broad a coalition as we can put together we can put together to prove to replace with europe to replace the whole corrupt regime he also invoked the main road doctrine being a former foreign minister of a latin american country how do you receive those words hi and thanks for having me on your show. i think the coalition instead of being strengthened these a coalition the u.s. has in mind instead of being strengthened is being gradually we can certainly over the last few days there was kind of this. there was there

. >> no, michael, michael, we stand by everything michael said at the, in his testimony. he was truthful in his testimony and we stand by everything that he said. >> one of the most explosive legal claims he made would appear to contradict both roger stone and donald trump in public about collusion, which we all know is the heart of what mueller began looking at. take a look. >> mr. trump knew from roger stone in advance about the wikileaks drop of e-mails in july of 2016, days before the democratic convention. i was in mr. trump's office when his secretary announced that roger stone was on the phone. >>> phone >> . >> if your client told the truth last week, there under oath, does that mean donald trump is lying about that. >> and if he told that lie to mueller, what would that mean? >> well, my client told the truth last wednesday when he testified that he heard roger stone on the phone, his voice he recognized, talking to the president of the united states prior to of course winning the election and in that phone call, he told you exactly what he heard and shortly ther

michael cohen testified last week. he was asked, to your knowledge did the president provide inflated assets to an insurance company? cohen said yes. >> under oath, michael cohen implicated the president in potential insurance fraud, bank fraud and other fraudulent activity with regard to his charity. cohen said the president inflated his assets to insurance companies as well as in order to get a loan from a bank. so i think this is really of concern for the white house, because we were talking earlier about this notion of executive privilege. when it comes to the president's business, there's no real claim for executive privilege. there's another aspect that concerns them. the special counsel has certain limitations with respect to the scope of the mueller investigation. when it comes to prosecutors in the southern district of new york, there's no real clear mandate. they can pursue inquiry that comes to their attention. there's a lot to follow up on. >> i can only imagine how angry the president must be that new york

did michael cohen? >> look, i agree and he's a liar and you have to take that at face value and i thought and i agree with peggy noonan on this, it was the portrait of the president he painted particularly in his opening statement that i thought perhaps is more damaging in the end than any particular thing on which he exonerated the president. talking about the president looking at him and saying if i was going to go to vietnam, do you think i'm stupid? the president who he says never indicated he loved the country or wanted to make it better. this is a guy who spent years and years at his side. i think there is a lingering, cumulative impact of that intimate portrait and damning a portrait by someone so close to the president. i do think we'll get to impeachment at some point because i don't think democrats will hold themselves back before 2020, and i don't think it matters and nothing will drive this president from office and you have to think of him. he's not nixon. he's marion barry. a guy who loves

it wasn't michael flynn. the only person who was involved in this conspiracy was michael cohen and donald trump. the southern district has filed papers in the cohen case saying trump was involved. trump has to be all over -- >> what about david pecker and american media? >> they could be involved as well. they have settled their case. they have gotten a non-prosecution agreement. they are not criminally exposed anymore. >> it's very clear that this blacked out part is naming people that were involved in this scheme, is also indicating parts of the investigation that are just not publically known yet that the department of justice does not want out there. when you look at everything else they have included -- what you see about pen register and phone -- this is like a drug case. you see this when the fbi, dea are trying to track drug dealers, where they're going, who they are talking to, not necessarily listening in. they want to do the gps. were they here? who were they talking to? that's how this reads. you

cohen, matt gaetz has to be michael cohen who michael cohen said to them, i was this for ten years, matt gaetz has to do it to get re-elected. he got elected by a huge margin. his district is ruby red. it doesn't feel like re-election is the reason to be so uber loyal you would potentially commit witness tampering. he's being investigated by the florida bar and could lose his law license. why risk all that if you're in such a safe seat. why are republicans doing this? >> well, you know, and thanks for my friend for painting all republicans with a very broad brush. i hope you exclude me from that. >> house republicans. not the doctor, of course. >> you know, for my perspective, look, i think what you have with the congressman here is the congressman is voting how or behaving in a way that is what his district expects. the loyalty i think is to his base. the loyalty i think is to the voters who put him in office. unlike michael cohen who was not elected to anything, he has a constituency to respond to. yes, it is a ruby red district but the congressman represents his people and he fun

did michael cohen really do that?ro here's his act again. >> did the president in any way coach you in terms of how to respond to questions or the contents of your testimony before a house committee? >> again it's difficult to answer. he doesn't tell you what he wants. what he does, again, michael, there is no russia. there is no collusion. there is no interference. i know what he means because i have been around him for so long. if you are asking me whether or not that's the message on point, that's the party line that he created that so many others are now touting, yes, that's the message he wanted to reinforce. >> tucker: that's the message. michael cohen said that trump claimed there was no russian collusion and no interference in the 2016 presidential election. if that sounds familiar, that's exactly what trump has been telling the world for 2 years. every day ind a loud voice to anyone who will listen. buzz feed claims that this is somehow proof its original story was accurate. 19 adorable siamese kittens, we ar

should not be talking about michael jackson's music michael jackson's music was created for decades of also a lot of suffering every time michael jackson song comes on i know for myself i'm going to think differently about. a very warm welcome to the program from all of us here at our to h.q. in moscow thanks for joining us this hour a suspected cyber attack on a british institute that seeks to counter russian just information is now being investigated by the u.k.'s national crime agency they suspect is usual russian intelligence agency the g.r.u. artes and associates has more on the story. here in the u.k. the now infamous highly likely formula pops back into the spotlight as reports circulate citing white hole sources claiming that russia's military intelligence service the g.r.u. had been according to them the one to hack and up until recently not very well known british beast institute for state craft now we understand that now that's been announced that the national crime agency here in the case carrying out an investigation into the cyber attack of this think tank and at the same

whitaker did not deny that the president called him to discuss michael cohen -- the michael cohen case and personnel decisions in the southern district. two, while he was acting attorney general, mr. whitaker was directly involved in conversations about whether to fire one or more u.s. attorneys. three, while he was attorney general -- acting attorney general, mr. whitaker was involved in conversations about the scope of the southern district of new york u.s. attorney berman's recusal and whether the southern district went too far many pursuing the campaign finance case in which the president was listed as individual number one. those are the three takeaways from our -- from today. >> what do you mean that he did not deny -- the president -- he did not deny the president's involvement -- or the president interest ee e-- >> he did not deny it. >> the top republican on the committee had a very different ta takeaway from the same closed door session with whitaker. take a listen to what he told manu raju a short time ago. >> mr. nadler said the president -- whitaker did not deny the presid

. >> michael flynn, the adviser with a russian connection, michael flynn. >> we do not need a reckless president who believes she is above the law. >> in 2015, flynn had traveled to moscow where he was paid to appear on r.t., right tuussia t. >> i know he said that and i disagree with that. i definitely disagree with that. >> he stood and applauded putin's speech when emerged later that he was paid, his company was paid some $45,000. >> after trump's victory in november, he named flynn national security adviser against the advice of out going president barack obama who reportedly warned trump that flynn lacked the temperament for the job. >> i had the opportunity to have the conversation with president-elect trump, president obama struck back at russia for the cyber attack ejecting 35 suspected russian spies from the u.s. and imposiing sanctions against russian skbel jeintelli services. >> vladimir putin responded surprisingly by not responding. >> he announced he would not retaliate against the u.s. for posing new sanctions to interfere with the election. >> what the public did not kn

weisselberg and michael and mr. trump together decided that michael needed to do it to avoid it being traced because tw or thro or three daye an election that turned out to be close and won by mr. trump. they did not want after "access hollywood", the story about an adult film star being subject to a hush money payment. mr. weisselberg said i can't afford it and why don't you do it from your line of credit but we don't want it traceable to the trump organization. to answer your question, mr. weisselberg was given limited immunity by the federal prosecutors in the south ern district. michael had to plead guilty. mr. weisselberg was given imm e immunity but limited. i don't know the answer to whether he told the prosecutors about this scheme and told the truth that there was never a retainer. this was a coverup but now the question is his signing that check as implementing this hush money illegal scheme is a crime. and the question is did he tell the federal prosecutors about the signing of these checks at the time he

, with him. >> michael, there's multiple problems. we gotta do what we gotta do. >> unlike many of the businesses i help, mr. green tea isn't facing a crisis. they generated over $2.5 million a year in revenue, and the emanueles make a very good living, but the business is static. >> i have such a hard time making this decision. >> the emanueles can't seem to agree on a plan for their future. michael has big ideas, but richard always plays it safe, and that creates tension. >> it's not 75. just get-- >> don't mince my words. i hate that. >> i believe that mr. green tea can be a $50-million company. they need to be bold, and they need to take chances. they haven't launched new flavors in over a decade, and they're still not well-situated in the retail market. the ice cream business generates well over $10 billion a year. i want a taste of it. >> hello. >> hi. >> hi. >> i'm marcus. >> hi, marcus, nice to meet you. i'm lori. >> nice to meet you. are you lori--are you mom? >> i'm mom. >> i wore green because i wanted to-- >> you're gonna

tonight michael cohen sings. now congress listens to whether he and the white house discussed pardons. and i'm joined live by shawn patrick mahoney, who was behind closed doors with the president's former lawyer. plus, the president leaves a long shot summit with kim jong-un early as talks fall apart. >>>

weisselberg and michael and mr. trump together decided that michael needed to do it to avoid it being traced because two or three days before an election that turned out to be close and won by mr. trump. they did not want after "access hollywood", the story about an adult film star being subject to a hush money payment. mr. weisselberg said i can't afford it and why don't you do it from your line of credit but we don't want it traceable to the trump organization. to answer your question, mr. weisselberg was given limited immunity by the federal prosecutors in the southern district. michael had to plead guilty. mr. weisselberg was given immunity but limited. i don't know the answer to whether he told the prosecutors about this scheme and told the truth that there was never a retainer. this was a coverup but now the question is his signing that check as implementing this hush money illegal scheme is a crime. and the question is did he tell the federal prosecutors about the signing of these checks at the time he was gr

you know, i loved michael. and all the times that i testified and, you know, the many, many times that i yushd over h -- gushed over him in public interviews, that was from a real place. >> i should mention cnn and hbo are owned by warner media. both gave sworn statements jackson did not molest them and the family denies jackson mo lested anybody and is suing for $180 million. they say it's one sided and violates a non-disparagement in the 1980s when it aired a jackson concert. the first sentence of the lawsuit says, quote, michael jackson is incident. period. michael's brother marlin said this to cnn. >> the makers of this film. they were not interested in trying to finding the evidence. they were cooperating with this documentary. we were available, others were available. i think you would want to get another side of the story. >> hbo released a statement saying, quote, despite the desperate lengths, hbo will move forward with the airing. to allow everyone to assess the film and the claims in it for themselve

now, tomorrow, michael cohen will go back. he's testifying in a closed setting to the house intel committee. i'll tell you tomorrow for our special coverage, we have congresswoman val demmings who will be question cohen. she joins me tomorrow along with sam nunberg and the rev al on "the beat." that does it for me. "hardball" is up next. >>> stonewall. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in los angeles. donald trump's son says his father's people should stonewall demands for evidence. in other words, give up nothing to the investigators. he's responding to the house judiciary committee's demand for documents from over 80 trump people and organizations. there they are on the list. that list, which was issued just yesterday includes the president's company as well as members of his family, i

>> i presume that he's not under audit. >> sounds like michael cohen and i have -- michael cohen and i have both been presuming that donald trump has not been under audit since the first time he claimed that he was under audit. ocasio-cortez has been appraised and declared that alexandra ocasio-cortez won the hearing because of a basis for congress to subpoena donald trump's tax returns. but she did something else with her questions that no one else seems to have noticed, something very important for the presidential campaign. and we'll show you that, next. e. and we'll show you that, next. ♪ introducing the new capital one savor card. earn 4% cash back on dining and 4% on entertainment. now when you go out, you cash in. what's in your wallet? what do you look for i want free access to research. yep, td ameritrade's got that. free access to every platform. yeah, that too. i don't want any trade minimums. yeah, i totally agree, they don't have any of those. i want to know what i'm paying upfront. yes, absolutely. do you just say yes to everything? hm. well i say no to kale. mm. yeah

think it was a relationship with a sexua mponent with michael and there waoff-->> michael jackson sas yu didn't go to them to get their side. what is your response? i lest think of that for a serkd. dn't make allegations about the michael jackson estate in my film. they're barely mentioned. i don't didn't say they moleschd dren so why would i go to them for comment? they don't know anything of any use about what happened behind a locked bedroom door between wade robson at age 7 and michael jackson. what the jackson family doadmit is michael spent many, many nights in bed in the company of little boys. you know, they've never really disputed that. and, so, they've not disputed that wade and jam had long acquaintances or friendships, if u like, with michael, so there are many, many facts about this story that are easily corroborated, but the central facts is the question of what happened behind those closed doors, that's the central the question of the fi and i don't think that the family of the estate have anything usefu to say about that, and they also have a massive interest and a bi

our hopes are on you michael cohen it happen? the reveal. >> you lied to congressional committees, is that correct? >> previously. >> correct. >> yes, sir. >> you stated that trump never directed you to lie to congress, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> tucker: 4 for 4. game, set, match. the trump presidency continues. other team looks despondent. you could hear weeping from the press box. what about all of the lies you just heard, not from cohen from the others. blackmail and collusion and russia, russia, russia! are any of the liars going to be punished for lying? will anybody lose a job or reputation? maybe what happened to carter page? any penalty for being dishonest for 2 solid years and misleading the public in the service of a political agenda, the democratic party? is a single person going to concede what just happened much less apologize for it? of course not, it's washington. mollie hemmingway is watching. a senior editor at the federalist. the key witness shot down this conspiracy. >> it's been several years of th

let's talk more about michael cohen and manafort. since the president claims cohen personally and directly asked him about a pardon is mr. trump now potentially a witness if this becomes a major legal case? >> he could be. they both kind of have issues of telling the truth. one prosecutor would use them in any kind of a case without any kind of cooberation without thinking about bringing any kind of perjury clarharges. it is whether or not he lied when he testified. if there is cooberation out there but without that you can't really trust either one of these guys. >> in addition to congress will they look into this allegation that michael cohen may have lied under oath before congress the other day? >> what would happen in this case it would have to be members of congress. they would have to make a referral to the department of justice and then the department of justice would then most likely if they close to take it on would send it to the washington u.s. attorney who would then investigate any potential perjury. it would not be the