bob: how so? pete: because there's a lot -- [applause] pete: when i was deployed, i could feel a full spectrum of american power keeping me safe. and yes, that was the armor on my vehicle. yes it was the armor on my body. but it was also the armor of some level of american moral authority. as complex as it is, as much as it's had its ups and downs, the basic idea that most people believed that -- including our enemies, believed that the flag on my shoulder represented a country that kept its word. if we lose that, then we lose the fact that as i was driving my vehicle through the city of kabul, looking through the windshield trying to spot the people who might present a threat to my life and that of he people in my vehicle, knowing that for every person i could see through the windshield, who really would kill us if he had the chance, there were a lot more people who had respect for our country. if we lose that, nothing will keep us safe. bob: you come here from the campaign trail, i was on the tr

jonathan: final word here, bob. bob: i don't know about five years. i'm good for two. i would like to see what happens in a general election next year. you are right. expansions don't die of old age. australia is proof of that. jonathan: great to have you with me. coming up on the program, the auction block. investors turning increasingly cautious. high yield bond funds, the biggest outflows since december. that conversation is next. this is bloomberg "real yield." ♪ jonathan: i'm jonathan ferro. this is "bloomberg real yield." i want to head to the auction block where u.s. companies are heading to the continent, europe, borrowing at the fastest rate in years. cheap funding cost lured them across the atlantic. fidelity issuing more than two thirds of its $8.2 billion offering in euros. risk off markets through the week, quality was the place. investors absorbing just shy of $30 billion worth of investment grade supply, including dow chemicals to million dollar offering, the deal to refinance new two maturities was nearly five times covered. the junk revival challenge

>> it's bob. you know, he asked if we had seen her, if we heard anything, if we knew anything. >> reporter: but they didn't. no one did. >> bob was typically almost detached in his demeanor. you know, almost, i don't know nothing. i don't know anything. >> reporter: from the outset bob denied any involvement in kathie's disappearance and still does. at the time he was careful to distance himself from investigators. new york times reporter charles bagli has covered the durst real estate empire for three decades. and when kathie vanished, said bagli, bob's protective friend susan berman, a name you've probably heard of, became his unofficial spokeperson. >> and susan would call back and say, "well, bob's, you know, really not feeling right right now. i'm going to handle a lot of this." >> reporter: bob himself was pretty much incommunicado then. but we have obtained this, his own account. his version of things which he wrote later. here's what he wrote about kathie's disappearance. "after my wife ka

jonathan: final word here, bob. bob: i don't know about five years. i'm good for two. i would like to see what happens in the general election in next november year. you are right. expansions don't die of old age. australia is proof of that. jonathan: great to have you with me. coming up on the program, the auction block. investors turning increasingly cautious. high yield bond funds seeing the biggest outflows since december. that conversation is next. this is bloomberg "real yield." ♪ jonathan: i'm jonathan ferro. this is "bloomberg real yield." i want to head to the auction block where u.s. companies are heading to the continent, europe, borrowing at the fastest rate in years. cheap funding cost lured them across the atlantic. fidelity national lead the surge, issuing more than two thirds of its $8.2 billion offering in euros. in a broadly risk off markets through the week, quality was the place. investors absorbing just shy of $30 billion worth of investment grade supply, including dow chemicals $2 billion offering, the deal to refinance new two maturities was ne

translation, bob mueller looked sbh into this, bob mueller has a sterling reputation, bob mueller saying we don't have evidence the president didn't commit crimes in office, congress is the place to adjudicate this. this is to the house to decide what to do about it. >> jeremy bash we are waiting for some sort of response from this white house. one would assume we would get something here very soon. we know they were huddled around their televisions at 11:00 eastern like all of us. mr. bash is that how you heard it? this 448 page report, bob mueller saying it is going to speak for itself and all but daring congress to do something about what he reported? >> craig, i was struck by a couple things. number one is bob mueller leaned really hard into the office of legal counsel opinion that says you cannot prosecute a sitting president even if if you found he engaged in critical activity. that was kind of the centerpiece of the statement. it was present in his report but the report was 448 pages it was so longs, it was so detailed, it was sort of, i think hard to get the fundamental point. nu

bob is right on that. decent growth, policy rates remain relatively low. 10-year rates remaining relatively low. equity markets stable, volatility over all remaining stable. things are going to be ok. but i think if there is a nuance to that, the likelihood of a trade deal is probably smaller in my judgment than what the market is expecting. therefore we may have to deal with maybe half a percent haircut to our growth expectations than we are today. that would be the one reason not to go all in. bob: you are a career credit guy. you know the only thing that matters is recession. as soon as you are on the verge of recession, you have to start pricing in much higher default and reprice the market. if you don't have imminent recession, every backup is a buying opportunity. krishna: absolutely. high yield is a decent buy if you are looking for income. having said that, if you have to decide between equities and high-yield, i would go with equities. jonathan: would you really? krishna: yes. bob: you cannot like

bob is right on that. decent growth, policy rates remain relatively low. 10-year rates remaining relatively low. volatility over all remaining stable. things are going to be ok. i think if there is a new wants to that, the likelihood of a trade deal is probably smaller in my judgment than what the market is expecting. therefore we may have to deal with maybe half a percent haircut to our growth expectations than we are today. that would be the one reason not to go all in. bob: you are a career credit guy. you know the only thing that matters is recession. as soon as you are on the verge a recession, you have to start pricing in much higher default and reprice the market. if you don't have imminent recession, every backup is a buying opportunity. krishna: absolutely. high yield is a decent by if you are looking for income. having said that, if you have to decide between equities and high-yield, i would go with equities. like the bottom of the capital structure unless you look at top of the capital structure

bob: how so? pete: because there's a lot -- >> [applause] pete: when i was deployed, i could feel a full spectrum of american power keeping me safe. and yes, that was the armor on my vehicle. yes it was the armor on my body. but it was also the armor of some level of american moral authority. as complex as it is, as much as it's had its ups and downs, the basic idea that most people believed that -- including our enemies, believed that the flag on my shoulder represented a country that kept its word. if we lose that, then we lose the fact that as i was driving my vehicle through the city of kabul, looking through the windshield trying to spot the people who might present a threat to my life and that of he people in my vehicle, knowing that for every person i could see through the windshield, who really would kill us if he had the chance, there were a lot more people who had respect for our country. if we lose that, nothing will keep us safe. bob: you come here from the campaign trail, i was on the

bob is right on that. decent growth, policy rates remain relatively low. 10-year rates remaining relatively low. equity markets stable, volatility over all remaining stable. things are going to be ok. but i think if there is a new -- is a nuance to that, the likelihood of a trade deal is probably smaller in my judgment than what the market is expecting. therefore we may have to deal with maybe half a percent haircut to our growth expectations than we are today. that would be the one reason not to go all in. bob: you are a career credit guy. you know the only thing that matters is recession. as soon as you are on the verge of recession, you have to start pricing in much higher default and reprice the market. if you don't have imminent recession, every backup is a buying opportunity. krishna: absolutely. high yield is a decent buy if you are looking for income. having said that, if you have to decide between equities and high-yield, i would go with equities. jonathan: would you really? krishna: yes. bob: you

, bob loves you, and you're one of bob's favourites and stuff like that and it's almost like, that is what you wanted to hear. 1984 saw southhampton fans enjoying one of their team's most successful seasons ever. semifinalists in the fa cup second in the league, there is no suggestion that bob higgins abused danny wallace or steve williams or alan sheera or matt letizia, who came later, but their success and the fact that they responded and the fact that they were spotted and coached by higgins helped secure his growing reputation to star maker. at the front of this parade is bob higgins. it is 1986 now and in many youth world cup he helped create has become a huge annual event. we had a conference of programme that takes place in the mornings, we have the competition in the afternoon. knowing what we know now, these pictures are chilling. that is the banner of crew alexandra coming through, with them, the prolific and predatory the prolific and predatory paedophile barry, the first coach to be convicted after allegations of sex abuse and football surfaced in 2016. in football surface

we know what bob mueller said. he said it in his report. >> sandra: leslie. >> i find it interesting that when the inspector general comes out and says look, republicans looking into spying if you will prior with regard to trump and his campaign, that report wasn't sufficient, right? we want more investigation. when the democrats say look we have some questions regarding this report, we have some questions regarding the redaction and when you have the house who have a majority democrats who are tasked constitutionally with oversight of the executive branch in a sense they're doing their job and they're saying look -- >> sandra: to be fair i don't think democrats are just saying they have questions. nancy pelosi publicly claimed that the president is engaged in a crime, a cover-up last week before meeting with the president. >> speaker pelosi with regard to what she said about the president is not necessarily the q and a that left or right would have for robert mueller. it is not just democrats disappointed he won't

bob mueller has spoken through indictments, through the occasional statement but we have not heard bob mueller's voice about this, save that no comment on april 21st when approached by a reporter on the street. all of that changes roughly five minutes from now. ari melber our chief legal correspondent is going to stand by. also want to bring in reporter julia ainsley, she's at the justice department for us. analyst former chief spokesman for the justice department, matt miller also with me. matt, let's not speculation for five minutes here because five minutes from now we'll know what bob mueller has on his mind. but what would you surmise based on what you're hearing, reading about the possibility this could be a lengthy statement he's not going to be taking questions we're told. also word that bill barr, the attorney general, is going to sit for his first f network news interview here in the next couple of days. matt, 30 minutes from now, if you had to guess, what would you guess we're talking about? >> my guess is we're going to hear -- obviously it could be a wide number of things.

>> i thought bob mueller is doing exactly what bob mueller does best. he is a subtle communicator around the fact that there is no exoneration on obstruction of justice in this context with volume two of the report. you know, even in terms of volume one when it comes to that trump tower meeting on june 9th. he says in his report that one of the reasons they can't charge a campaign finance conspiracy is because of obstruction. so you also have to read the two volumes together and i think what he's saying is exactly as john said, it's like the evidence is there. i gave it to you. do something with it. do something and read it. >> gene, he was imploring the public to perhaps do more than many of our leaders ask, than certainly people often feel like the level of discourse. and here was a man who obviously feels that he's worked hard. he served his country. does he not want to be drawn into political sniping. he doesn't see the role as political. but he is asking us to do something. take a look at his request. >> beyond these few remarks it is important tha

bob: let's pause there. improper surveillance. that's your term. the attorney general, william barr, said spy. used the term spying. where is the evidence for spying? it's normal for the department of justice to use surveillance to investigate foreign powers. where does this charge term of spying come from? mr. meadows: so, at what point do we start to look -- let's look at the fisa application. you can say, well, we've investigated carter page, we surveiled him. and somebody can look at that. but we also know that there was other surveillance that was going on. and the question is -- bob: what do you mean by that? mr. meadows: was it properly predicated? how do we know that general flynn lied? how would you know? bob: he admitted to lying. [laughter] [applause] mr. meadows: but prior to that, how would you know? i mean, how did the f.b.i. know? how did the f.b.i. know? so let's -- what was the source? they actually had his conversation with a russian. how would they get that conversation with the russians?

the american people deserve to know all of what bob mueller found. this report is an indictment in all but name. it is an absolutely chilling portrait of wrongdoing and criminality at the highest level of our government. bob mueller, far from exonerating the president of the united states, said he couldn't. and he depended on this office of legal memorandum, merely 20 years old, that says a sitting president can't be indicted. that was the reason that donald trump, in fact, was not charged with criminal wrongdoing, because there's extensive evidence of it, in the mueller report. the american people deserve the full picture. >> but if graham is the chairman, the chairman of the committee, there's no way that you're going to get mueller or mcgan for that matter to testify before your committee. they could testify before other committees, especially in the house of representatives, wra there's a democratic majority, but you're not going to get them in the senate? >> i'm going to be talking to chairman graham. and he's a respected litigator himself. i th

bob mueller didn't contact me about my conclusions. bob mueller contacted me about my memo and how i was describing his report and those are two different things. again, i get it's not as transparent as it could have been, but would that not be an argument he could make? >> i don't think that begins to cut mustard. i'm just reading from the mueller letter where he speaks about the barr memo. and he says it does not fully capture the substance of mueller's conclusions. what are the conclusions that mueller reached. they were on two counts. one was the so-called collusion issue. the other was obstruction of justice. those were the conclusions that were laid out in the memo and those were the conclusions that barr was talking about. and so, when barr told me, in response to a direct question, that he did not know whether mueller had concerns with his conclusions, it flatly contradicts the letter that mueller sent him. >> so, your democratic colleagues and 2020 presidential candidates, former hud secretary, julian castro, senator elizabeth

so bob mueller's job was over. i thought it was inappropriate, candidly, for bob mueller to write a letter to bill barr because bill barr has total discretion as to what -- and you know that is a fact. he has -- let me finish. he has total discretion as to whether to print a summary, to send out pieces of the report, or to send out the entire report. and for him to do that, to me, was grandstanding because he knew this letter would eventually -- >> okay. let him answer. >> this idea that somehow bill barr is doing us a favor by acting in the matter of transparency on a matter of fundamental importance -- >> it's not required by the law. >> lots of things aren't required by the law. but a matter of importance to the american people. it was very important that -- the whole point of mueller's mandate here was ensuring public faith in our investigative system. that's what he was trying to do. that was undermined by a number of the steps the attorney general took. >> okay. let me bring in garrett because if only we had

bob mueller was determined to do something about it. then, as we know after a few days on the job as fbi director, bob was confronted with the horror of 9/11. i know from experience how hard it is to reorient the mission and transform the culture of large-crowd, historically-successful institutions. e would have predicted that america would go more than a on september 12, 2001, no one would have predicted america would go more than a decade without another major terrorist attack. it is enormous credit to bob mueller, and the men and women he leads at the fbi. director mueller's life has been one of truly splendid service. william and mary's is honored to have him as a 2013 commencement speaker. ladies and gentlemen, the honorable robert mueller. [applause] [applause] director mueller: well, thank you for that very kind introduction, lady gaga. he had not heard the last of that. it's a pleasure for me to be here and be given the opportunity to recruit for the f.b.i. will i say it is a tremendous honor to join the graduates today as they

that's clearly what bob mueller is trying to do. thanks to our prosecutors and julia ainsley who were all part of this unpredictable block. we have new reporting on the russia side. i will show you more context on what is a brand-new post mueller press conference statement from his office and then later why mueller says today that this report is his testimony. we're going to show you those key parts in the mueller report that everyone is going to be talking about now that he has stepped on the national stage, when we come back. >> when a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government's effort to find the truth and hold wrong doers accountable. if you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain

i arrived in bob this office and this will foreshadow bob mueller and was appointed by the attorney general as it special counsel. had a different title. titles have switched, but he was an appointee of the attorney general janet reno and so i'm sitting in his office and i knew bob, good lawyer. i had actually worked with him and talked about even practicing together. bob said, i described this in the book that we will talk about candy, move your family to little rock. you are going to be a long time. [laughter] he had found more than a failed land deal in arkansas. >> could you take us into your operational and it? how big is your team? who was working there, lawyers, fbi agents, who were some of the key actors on your team? >> that team expanded or contracted depending on the circumstances. we assigned lawyers to specific matters, the death of vincent foster junior for instance, the fraudulent billing of hubbell, a game from the past but who is associate attorney general of the united states and his law partner at the rose law firm. they entered a guilty plea for defrauding clients, law f

so i know bob mueller doesn't want to testify. let's me use betsy's vehicle of the movie and screen play. bob mueller wrote the screen play. it is right there. and now we need the actors. we don't need bob mueller to say by the way, don mcgahn told us that the president told him to fire special counsel. and then told him to lie about it. we need don mcgahn to say the president told me to lie. we need the movie, not the screen writer. >> bets ciy, how hard is to gete movie made if we continue with the analogy? one of the perhaps unintended consequences, their message is pretty muddy. the stories where all over the place. >> i'm going to torture the analogy here. this movie is not an ad for a used car lot. this movie is lord of the rings. it could take a long time too to force all the relation haven't people to come in. and that is a huge problem for democrats. don mcgahn says he won't go in. judges don't like rearranging their dockets because of political pressure. so the judiciary will say we don't want to make our decisions about

he was completely dismissive of bob mueller's legal theory and that is why bob mueller, in his letter, said that because there is now public confusion about their work that it undermines the special counsel, which is supposed to assure full public -- >> hold on a minute. chairman of the committee, lindsey graham, is speaking. >> the attorney general will be testifying here in a bit about the mueller report. i want to thank him for coming to the committee and giving us an explanation as to the alcohoalcohol actions he took and here is the good news. here is the mueller report. you can read it for yourself. it's about 400 and something pages. can't say i've read it all but i've read most of it. there's an unredacted version over in the classified section of the senate, a room where you can go look at the unredacted version. i did that and found it not to change anything in terms of an outcome, but a bit about the mueller report. who is mueller? for those of you who may not know -- i don't know where you have been but bob mueller has a reputation in this town and throughout the country a

that should not be on bob mueller. that should be squarely on the president of the united states who could have answered questions like every other president in that situation has. >> mueller isn't the only one he pushes back on. in that exchange where he defends the president. he does something that really only sarah huckabee sanders does. i don't think she's done in about 70 days. what he does, what he did was to impugn the credibility of people who have been subpoenaed. he impugned the credibility of don mcgahn. mueller takes the steps of explaining why he found mcgahn credible. he explains how mcgahn didn't come in willingly. we know from press accounts that mcgahn advocate ed not cooperating. because he refused the fire mueller, the president who is petty all the time sided with ty cobb and john dowd. this whole thing is this toxic, dysfunctional mess. what barr did call into question of testimony of don mcgahn who has been subpoenaed who is deciding whether to go testify or be held in contempt. his lawyers said e

again, bob mueller has been the same bob mueller for more than seven decades now. he's not going to change dramatically. he's careful, he's cautious, he's smart, and he's a man of tremendous integrity. whether it's department of justice employee bob mueller or private citizen bob mueller he'll stick to what he wrote and adhere closely to the rules that govern his testimony. >> thank you both very much. appreciate it. >>> more breaking news. this time on wall street. markets down more than 200 points. looks like 231. comes, of course, as president trump's latest threat to hike tariffs on goods imported from china. joining me now, msnbc host stephanie ruhle on all this. steph, wall street has been mostly non-reactive to the president's tweet so far. we saw a lot around christmastime. seems now markets are reacting more. r why? >> over the weekend we saw a markedly different tone from the president with regard to china and the trade talks. truth is, it sort of confirmed the gut feeling investors have had for quite some time. that negotiations with china were not actua

bob mueller produced this 400-page report that is with facts and so on. the politics have clearly squelched it. you saw that in the questioning. republicans are from mars, democrats are from venus. republican questions barely raised bob mueller's clear objections to the way barr summarized the report. democrats were asking the key questions. mueller realized that this was going to be a political decision and makes clear he wants congress to decide. ultimately, it is a political decision by congress and will end up in political hands here. even the facts of barr's report, you have barr contradicting stuff that we can read for ourselves here. the d.o.j. guidelines factors into his decision newt indict because he said it repeatedly. barr made a claim that mueller never pushed it on getting the president to testify. they were pushing and negotiating for months to do that. the president refused. even the facts are in question here. ultimately, it is a political decision riven with politics. >> think back to the very beginning of this. what you have here is pro

bob: how so? pete: because there's a lot -- [applause] pete: when i was deployed, i could feel a full spectrum of american power keeping me safe. and yes, that was the armor on my vehicle. yes it was the armor on my body. but it was also the armor of some level of american moral authority. as complex as it is, as much as it's had its ups and downs, the basic idea that most people believed that -- including our enemies, believed that the flagen my shoulder represented a country that kept its word. if we lose that, then we lose the fact that as i was driving my vehicle through the city of kabul, looking through the windshield trying to spot the people who might present a threat to my life and that of he people in my vehicle, knowing that for every person i could see through the windshield, who really would kill us if he had the chance, there were a lot more people who had respect for our country. if we lose that, nothing will keep us safe. bob: you come here from the campaign trail, i was on the tra

. >> barr also hitting bob mueller. bob mueller for declining to make a decision on obstruction. >> i think if he felt he should not go down the path of making a traditional prosecutive decision, he shouldn't have investigated. that was the time to pull up. >> but mueller was very clear in his report. he did not make a finding on obstruction because he thought it should be up to congress to do just that. barr today repeating over and over, he did not think that was mueller's decision to make. >> bob mueller is the equivalent of a u.s. attorney. he is part of the department of justice. his work concluded when he sent his report to the attorney general. at that point, it was my baby. and it was my decision how and when to make it public. not bob mueller. >> joining us now, new jersey, my home state senator corey booker who questioned bill barr today. senator, i want to start by playing part of your questions earlier. >> i fear that you are adding normalcy to a point where we should be sounding alarms as opposed to saying

. >> did bob mueller support your conclusion? >> i don't know whether bob mueller supported my conclusion. >> all right. attorney attorney william barr in testimony to the house and senate last month, saying he was unaware of any objections from special counsel robert mueller. we found out late yesterday he was well aware of mueller's concerns. attorney general barr is scheduled to testify before the republican-controlled senate judiciary committee this morning. >> a lot has been going on. >> yeah. >> certainly since right after 7:00 p.m., when the news broke that robert mueller had sent a letter to attorney general barr a month ago, talking about how he did believe that the report had been mischaracterized and released in such a way, the letter, that it undermined -- and these are mueller's words -- it undermined one of the central purposes of the justice department appointing a special counsel. >> which would make those comments basically a lie. >> certainly would make his testimony to charlie crist a lie. if done under oath, p

so by and large, tributes here in australia have remembered bob hawke as fondly asa have remembered bob hawke as fondly as a larrikin and a political reformer. you are watching newsday on the bbc. still to come on the programme: allies of controversial philippine president rodrigo duterte come out on top in the country's senate elections. also on the programme: the story of liberty. a museum devoted to one of new york's most famous landmarks opens its doors. the pope was shot, the pope will live. that was the essence of the appalling news from rome this afternoon, that, as an italian television commentator put it, terrorism has come to the vatican. the man they called the butcher of lyon, klaus barbie, went on trial today in the french town where he was the gestapo chief in the second world war. winnie mandela never looked like a woman just sentenced to six years injail. the judge told mrs mandela there was no indication she felt even the slightest remorse. the chinese government has called for an all—out effort to help the victims of a powerful earthquake, the worst to hit the countr

on march 5th, i met with bob at the suggestion of the deputy and the principle associate deputy, bob mueller. i met with bob mueller to get a readout on what his conclusions would be. on march 25th -- and at that meeting, i asked -- i reiterated to special counsel mueller that in order to have the shortest possible time before i was in a position to release the report, i asked that they identify 6e material. when i received the report on march 22nd, and we were hoping to have that easily identified, the 6e material, unfortunately, it did not come in that form. and it quickly became apparent that it would take about three or four weeks to identify that material and other material that had to be redacted. so there was necessarily going to be a gap between the receipt of the report and getting the full report out publicly. the deputy and i identified four categories of information that we believe required redaction. and i think you will all know of them. but they were the grand jury material, the 6e material, information that the intelligence community advised would reveal sensitive sou

>> have i heard from bob mueller? >> yes. >> no. nor do i expect to. >> i know you have a vast fan base that exceeds ours. >> as a member of the media now, i'm probably persona non grata. >> mike schmidt you have talked a lot and reported on what the special counsel investigation was sort of before barr and what it became the moment barr issued his four page summary of the ultimate conclusions or whatever they want to call it. they debate what a summary is. but you talked about the taint it got the moment it was characterized by barr, the moment that always softened the mueller report were sentence fragments, not even a complete sentence. that seems to have only deteriorated from the time you first reported flashing yellow lights around that. where does it stand right now? >> i think the most important thing we have to remember about what barr did is that it really set the narrative. it was the sequencing. it was the sequencing of the report not being there for four weeks and allowing the president to go out and say he was exonerate

quote, bob mueller should not testify. president trump said that in a tweet 48 hours after saying this in the oval office. >> mr. president, should mueller testify? >> i don't know. that's up to our attorney general. >> when the president made that comment, bill barr had already said publicly on multiple occasions that she does not have a problem with mueller testifying. the president's shift in tone comes as a house judiciary source tells nbc news so date is set for mueller to testify before the committee but that talks are ongoing. the senate side, chairman graham has already sent a letter to mueller offering him the opportunity to testify about, quote, any misrepresentation by the attorney general of the substance of a phone call that mueller had with barr about barr's four-page summary of the mueller report. here is barr's description of that phone call. >> i said, bob, what's with the letter? you know? why don't you just pick up the phone and call me if there's an issue? and he said that they were concerned about the

bob mueller said there was sufficient evidence. that's exactly what bob mueller said. the only reason i could not bring charges is because i could not under policy under the way we operate and the constitution requires that the house now act. >> how should they about their source and methods and david's report on saturday in the new york times. what is known publicly about a key russian source close to putin that helped lead to that original assessment that putin ordered this attack on our election. >> it's not over stating it to note that lives are at stake. when people risk their lives and the lives of their family to provide information on what an adversary nation is doing to the united states, we have to do everything we can to protect them. the gathering capabilities, that's putting lives at stake just for a political purpose. >> frank, this used to be your job full time as counter intelligence. what about getting future cooperation from our allies, from the brits and australians and others about russia and other poimportant sources. >> there's a fallout. when you

on march 5th, i met with bob with the principle associate deputy bob mueller. i met with bob mueller. to get a read out on what his conclusions would be. on march 25th, and at that meeting i asked, i reiterated to special counsel mueller that in order to have the shortest possible time before i was in a position to release the report, i asked that they identify 6e material. and when i received the report on march 22nd and we were hoping to have that easily identify the 6e material, unfortunately, it did not come in that form. and it quickly became apparent that it would take three or four weeks to identify that material and other material that had to be redacted. so, there was necessarily going to be a gap between the receipt of the report and getting the full report out publicly. the deputy and i identified four categories of information that we believe required redaction. and i think you will all know of them, but they were the grand jury material, the 6e material. information that the intelligence community advised would reveal sources and methods and inform

bob you have a great read of the white house. what is your sense of the fear right now about the prospect of impeachment? there is the argument they invite a conversation about impeachment because they know it doesn't go anywhere in the united states senate. >> not only that. but by focuses on this re-examination of what mueller has done you expend a lot of political energy and a lot of time. and i'm fascinated with this notion of the president saying case closed. it's probably not closed. again, i think it is not going to be definitive in terms of defining the trump presidency. but what is not closed and should not be closed is an examination of what trump is doing as president. and i keep saying there is a governing crisis. and i have five top things i think we really need to look at. relations with china. what's the policy? how has that gone down with north korea, with saudi arabia, all the budget issues and the tax issues and the immigration if that is really what's going to have a direct impact on people's lives. and if we'r

bob doesn't do snitty. bob does serious and measured and bob reaches conclusions based on the facts, based on the evidence, based on the law. sans political considerations. that's who bob mueller is. and i'll tell you, he is really the king of circumstance up specs. he did not, he was unable to indict a sitting president. and because of that, he wouldn't say even though i can't indict him, guess what, american people, guess what, congress, he committed lots of offenses. why? because as he said in volume ii, it is unfair. if a man can't have his day in trial, in court, and if a man cannot defend himself and clear his good name, then we prosecutors don't stand up and announce to the world, he committed crimes. he doesn't have a vehicle to defend against it. so he is the consummate rule follower on the one hand. on the other hand, he is completely driven by the truth. and by doing what's right. and right now, i think the reason we saw that letter that he fired back at barr, which said, listen. i'm going to rea

it was bob mueller's job. why bob mueller did not bite the bullet and come to that decision remains a bit of a mystery. we have a very elaborate explanation. but he was charged with making that decision. so what we have is this incredibly elaborate analysis in book two with respect to obstructive acts. i don't think it serves the country well. didn't serve the justice department well. but that's now history. all we're doing now is looking back on the process as to how the decision was made. the decision has been made, there was no crime of obstruction. now if the house of representatives wants to go forward with this that's their business. one of the things that i think is very important in terms of what bill barr has been doing under these very difficult circumstances, under these regulations, all he was required to do was to notify congress and to provide an explanation. bob mueller's job was to provide the attorney general with a confidential report. toward the end of these hearings or this session bill bar

bob higgins is a predatory paedophile. he thrived on controlling and manipulating the situation he found himself in. he held the career prospects of those young men in his hands, and he exploited that in the most disgraceful way. yes, bob higgins, once a leading football coach at clubs like southampton, has been found guilty of abusing 23 young men over a 25 year period. we'll have the latest from our correspondent at bournemouth crown court. the other main stories on bbc news at 5. under growing pressure, the government delays publication of theresa may's revised brexit plans, amid a backlash in her own cabinet. indian prime minister, narendra modi, secures another five—year term after winning a landslide general election victory. the authorjudith kerr, who delighted millions of children with her bestseller the tiger who came to tea, has died aged 95. and coming up later in the hour, we talk to david linsey, whose brother and sister were killed in the sri lanka terror attacks. it's 5 o'clock. our main story is that bob

director, bob was confronted with the horror of 9/11. i know from experience how hard it is to reorient the mission and transform the culture of large, proud, historically successful institutions. on september 12, 2001, no one would have predicted that america would go more than a decade without another major terrorist attack. that we did is of enormous credit to bob mueller and as he would be the first to say, the men and women he leads at the f.b.i. director mueller's life has been one of truly splendid service, and william and mary is honored to have him as our 2013 commencement speaker. ladies and gentlemen, the honorable robert mueller. [applause] director mueller: well, thank you for that very kind introduction, lady gaga. he had not heard the last of that. it's a pleasure for me to be here and be given the opportunity to recruit for the f.b.i. will i say it is a tremendous honor to join the graduates today as they move on in their lives. and as i look out at you, i am reminded of my youngest daughter's graduation from college, a n

. >> and the answer is no, according to bob mueller? >> that's right. >> that is just not what the mueller report says. number two, mueller laid out evidence that the president directed his white house counsel to have mueller fired. that's the word mueller uses. the president claims he did no such thing, and now this is what barr is claiming. >> the president never directed him to fire. and there is a distinction between saying to someone go fire him, go fire mueller, and saying have him removed based on conflict. >> three, mueller laid out evidence indicating that the president tried to remove the special counsel with the corrupt intent of curtailing the investigation. the president has suggested he could have fired mueller because he thought it was a witch hunt. and now so does barr. >> if the president is being falsely accused and he felt that this investigation was unfair, propelled by his political opponents and was hampering his ability to govern, that is not a corrupt motive for replacing an independent counsel. >> four, mueller

>> yes. >> and the answer is no according to bob mueller? >> that's right. >> he could not decide about ob instruction and you did, is that right? >> yes. >> do you feel good about your decision? >> absolutely. >> thank you very much. >> chairman, mr. attorney general, the special counselcou report describes how the president directs don mcgahn to fire special council mueller and later told mcgahn to write a letter for our record stating that the president had not ordered him to fire mueller. it also recounts how the president made repeated efforts to get mcgahn to change his story. knowing that the president believes mcgahn's recollection of the results were false, that the president tried to change mcgahn's account to prevent further scrutiny of the president forward the investigation. special counsel also found that mcgahn is an incredible witness that can lie and exaggerate given the position he had in the white house. does existing law prohibit efforts to get a witness to lie, to say something the witness believes is false? >> yes. lie

>> i said bob, what's with the letter. why don't you just pick up the phone and call me if there's an issue? he said that they were concerned about the way the media was playing this and felt that it was important to get out the summaries, which they felt would put their work in proper context and avoid some of the confusion that was emerging. i asked him if he felt that my letter was misleading or inaccurate. he said no. the press -- he felt the press coverage was -- and it was completer, a more complete picture of his thoughts and the context and so forth would deal with that. i suggested i would rather get the whole report out than just putting out stuff piecemeal. i said i would think about it some more. the next day i put out a letter that made it clear that no one should read the march 24th letter as a summary of the overall report and that a full account of bob mueller's thi thinking would be in the report and every one would have access. >> there's nothing in his letter to you about -- it is about your characteriza

bob and bob told me that he did not have objections to the accuracy attorneys don't put things in writing unless they're pretty serious about them there's an old rule in politics a good politician doesn't write a letter and doesn't throw want to weigh affairs are going to ask if he puts it in writing of his concerns or your representations on march twenty fourth you couldn't recall that when congressman chris asked you that question a few days later no i'm saying that this was the. the march twenty fourth letter stated that bob mueller did not reach a conclusion on obstruction and it had the language in there about not exonerating the president. my view of events was that there was a lot of criticism of the special counsel for the ensuing few days and on thursday i got i got this letter. and when i talked to the special counsel about the letter my understanding was his concern was not the accuracy of the statement of the findings in my letter but that he wanted more out there to provide additional context to explain his reasoning and why he didn't reach a decision on obstruction. i'll jus

bob hawke loved australia and australia love bob hawke. there have also been tributes from paul keating, his long—term political rival, who said the pair enjoyed a great partnership and the country is much poorerfor his passing. former prime minister ‘s such asjulia gillard said without question, bob was the greatest peacetime leader australia has ever had. the tribute of one former leader, tony abbott, has been condemned by many on twitter as political points scoring. he described bob hawke as having a labor heart but a liberal head. former labour pm kevin rudd called bob hawke a giant of australian politics. he is survived by his wife and biographer blanche d'alpuget and his three children, susan, stephen and rosalind. for more than 130 years, the statue of liberty in new york harbor has welcomed immigrants to america's shores. her torch became a symbol of hope and a new life for millions. now a new museum has opened in lady liberty's shadow, telling her story. the bbc‘s nada tawfik paid a visit. towering over new york's harbour, f

bob higgins is a predaory paedophile. he thrived on controlling and manipulating the situation he found himself in. he held the careers and prospects of those young men in his hands, and he exploited that in the most disgraceful way. under growing pressure, the government delays publication of theresa may's revised brexit plans amid a backlash in her own cabinet. indian prime minister narendra modi secures another five—year term after winning a landslide general election victory. the authorjudith kerr, who delighted millions of children with her bestseller the tiger who came to tea, has died aged 95.

bob mueller, i would say this about bob mueller. he's been a career doj employee, very great investigator. a lot of prosecution experience as a former us attorney . when i evaluate people or when i talk about issues or people, i don't like to talk about what i'm against. i like to talk about what i'm four and i think this is a lesson for those of you thinking about running for politics . i think being positive is more effective, it resonates with the american people so don't talk about what you're against, talk about what your four. in that vein i wouldsay on for bob mueller. i know bob , i trust his judgment and if he said something , i believe it. so for what it's worth, i'm for bob mueller. >> a lot of the american publicwould agree with you as well . you mind giving us by the curtain of the department of justice quickly? if a report like that comes in, was the attorney general doing, who's he working with, listening to. was he reviewing? usually don't have a fax what attorney general barr has done but generally speaking, what do

so bob mueller's job was over. i thought it was inappropriate, candidly, for bob mueller to write a letter to bill barr because bill barr has total discretion as to what -- and you know that is a fact. he has -- let me finish. he has total discretion as to whether to print a summary, to send out pieces of the report, or to send out the entire report. and for him to do that, to me, was grandstanding because he knew this letter would eventually -- >> okay. let him answer. >> this idea that somehow bill barr is doing us a favor by acting in 9 matter of transparency on a matter of fundamental -- >> it's not required by the law. >> lots of things aren't required by the law. but a matter of importance to the american people. the whole point of mueller's mandate here was ensuring public faith in our investigative system. that's what he was trying to do. that was beyond mined by a number of the steps the attorney general took. >> okay. let me bring in garrett because if only we had an expert on robert mueller, and we have

all those republicans know bob mueller. he was the fbi director after 9/11 and robert mueller publicly and privately and ernst probably wasn't there but most were there and are very familiar and if they inject truth serum could admit what we were talking bout for the last half hour. it is extraordinary for robert mueller to write a note to the file. >> to joyce's point earlier and i think it's really important and worth reiterating. you don't have to decide whether barr lied or misled. first of all, we're probably not equipped to do that sitting here. at least not perfectly. secondly, as joyce said, it doesn't matter. you don't get to do either if you're the attorney general of the united states. you could say nothing. that's fine. once you decide to talk, there is only one thing that comes out of your mouth and it's the truth. misleading is not okay. it's just not. not in this context and i would say almost not ever. i can think of hypotheticals where a government would mislead because of some other sense that national sec