the source joining me right now is george papadopoulos former trump campaign aid, author of the book "deep state target." george it is good to have you on the program thanks very much for being here. >> thanks so much for having me maria. maria: i want you to take us back to how this all began because when you were and were talking about what you went through it was actually stunning to me in terms of the level of people that reached out to you. first before we go through this timeline that is really stunning and i want our viewers to focus on this i want to ask you, have you ever been to russia? >> i've never been to russia, no. maria: do you have any colleague s associates that work in russia, or for the russian government? >> absolutely not. in fact, i was working at a conservative think tank for five years leading up to joining both the carson and trump campaign and i was in the energy business so as an american doing those two thins you're not working with the russians at all or promoting their interest. maria: so let's take it back to the end of 2015, and you were working with

george papadopoulos on america getting to the truth and spying on the trump campaign. straig >> sean: as we told you the "new york times" got around to reporting on real spying on the trump campaign. the fbi sent a female government investigator to meet with the trump campaign advisor george papadopoulos to get dirt on trump's connections to russia. dirt we know never existed. joining us with more to tell their story. george papadopoulos. author of the book "deep state target." also we are joined by his wife. two things i will do here. one, i want your reaction to what devin nunes just revealed about the professor. i will read a small passage from your book about the blond bombshell. she wrote to you, let's meet for drinks. you weren't sure if it was a suggestive message. they picked the location. she gave the name asra-tucker. a vision out of central casting. a sexy bottled blonde in her 30s and not shy about showing her curves as anyone could miss them. a fantasy's fantasy. you said she was being beyond suggestive and flirtatious. >> yes. sean, thanks for having both

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remember, george papadopoulos will be joining us. joining us to explain his congressman devin nunes himself. thank you. last minute, we appreciate it. the breaking news. rather than me -- i have the copy of your letter right here but rather than me explaining it, i think it would be best if you did. >> it's great that you remember the story. if you recall, after the mueller report, which i call the mueller dossier, came out, i said we were going to comb through it. one of the first things that we found is they used a news report, a "guardian" news report to claim that the link campus was a place where misfud had worked. what they found to say in it -- failed to say on that same report is that misfud was actually related to italian intelligence services. so you can't -- if you are mueller, you don't get to just report part of what is in the story. you have to put the entire piece before the american people. he didn't do that. we are calling him out. this is not how investigations are supposed to be run. when you look into misfud close

one about george papadopoulos as an individual. and my background dealing with other governments, not russia. and then trump and russia. so it was a very bizarre meeting. and, of course, there was no fruit to bear from this meeting because there was no conspiracy. and i have never even met a russian official in my life so -- >> did she offer you sex? >> they, of course, overtly didn't offer it. but she made it very clear that was on the table if we continued to enjoy each other's company. and as you saw in the -- >> here's what you wrote -- here's what you wrote in your book about azra turk. we'll put it on the screen. azra turk is a vision right out of central casting for a spy flick. she's a sexy bottle blonde in her 30s. she isn't shy about showing her curves as if anyone could miss them. she's a fantasy's fantasy. if this is what academic researcher look like, i've been going to the wrong school, i love to myself. do you know today, george, who is she? >> i have no idea who this person is. and i'm actually very curious to find

the first will be the evidence, that of george papadopoulos and carter page. if they were recorded which we have heard they were by stephan halbert was a spy for the fbi and that the fbi would tell that information from the foreign intelligence surveillance court, that is going to be huge. i will tell you something else. the unmasking, i think one of the biggest pieces of information that will come out here as well is those people that were unmasked, americans that were unmasked, their conversations, telephone conversations with foreigners. samantha powers, there was a big debate and trey gowdy got her to answer some very important questions. she unmasked nearly 300, that is unheard of. when john bolton was at the u.n. he unmasked three people, three people. she unmasked close to 300. i will tell you some of those names will be very important. >> dan: that is what started the case. sidney i will go to you with your legal expertise i would appreciate from a legal framework, if there are recordings made by intelligence asset the united states is using, they proc

papadopoulos spoke with the fbi, wwe know that carter page was spied -- and george papadopoulos went to jail for a period of time. >> let's declassify those and look at what prompted this investigation, and cause the justice department to spy on americans and find out if they were ever notified by state department and other government against that this entire dossier, was a pile of bunch, an--bunk and should have never n used in fisa application process. kennedy: they should have been much moric bless --ic blessive s about who funded it, part of it and interviewed. trey gowdy said there is a transcript that is a game changer that not yet mate public, i assume it has to to with george papadopoulos recorded, and the transcript of that, what do you know of that recording? >> i can tell you, when you look at what papadopoulos has gone through, and he went over to london, we know he was spid on because he was in process of having a conversation with a myy high ranking government official from australia they later used as pled ca predicate to start ts investigation, they are so concerned w

to go peek in on george papadopoulos. that is not a coincidence that it shows up in the "new york times." it's how they inoculate themselves and try to lessen the blow. >> this is what the president has said about this. this goes back to over a year ago. people said he was crazy. they didn't know what he was talking about. >> president trump: a lot of ar" a lot of bad things happened. there was absolutely spying in my campaign. >> martha: do you think that that "new york times" article vind dates -- i go back to when the president goes back to talk about people wiring trump tower. people said it was unbelievable that he would suggest that. they jumped down his throat over that. now, you know, versions of that appear to be perhaps what we may end up seeing in this report. >> i remember back in the day when that came out, i was the chairman. i con about thed reince priebus -- i contacted reince priebus, who was the chief of staff. i said what in the world is the president talking about? reince priebus didn't have knowledge

you learned two months before the 2016 presidential election, trump campaign adviser george papadopoulos sat down with a woman who was actually an undercover investigator for the fbi. tell us about that. >> so we knew about this meeting that george papadopoulos had with a man named steven halper who was a confidential informant for the fbi. he's a cambridge university professor in england. what we learned is that actually the fbi sent another investigator to work with halper as part thereof operation. there would be someone who could oversee the operation. remember halper is just an informant, not someone who could gather evidence even possibly testify in court. so it clearly shows the level of anxiety inside the fbi during this critical period of time with emails spilling out, questions about russian involvement, and as we said earlier, russia -- papadopoulos had already heard about offers of russian help. so it was clearly tried to be a pretty intricate operation against papadopoulos. >> according to papadopoulos, mark, the woman almost immediately began asking him questions about russ

i could have happened to george papadopoulos? >> i'm sure he has many positive qualities. this focus on him reminds me of the focus of many people on the caravan to the run-up to the election. everybody in the trump world thought that this was a horrible thing and nobody else did which is why the congress flipped. let me tell you what donald trump said about your friend which is that he is a proven liar. this notion of spying -- >> tucker: i want to know what you think. he has worked for the u.s. government for cia as a contract spying, he reached out to this kid who had no knowledge of him at all. he is clearly acting on behalf. the obama administration would dispatch spies on a american citizen is clearly what happened. is that all right? >> 15 friendly countries report to our intelligence agencies that there are reports that they are getting, they credit that the russians are in fact as we now know from our intelligence community, trying to infiltrate the campaign and trying to tip the scales. that troubles me. >> tucker: does it bother you he wasn't a russian spy? he g

the first will be the evidence, that of george papadopoulos and carter page. if they were recorded which we have heard they were by stephan halbert was a spy for the fbi and that the fbi would tell that information from the foreign intelligence surveillance court, that is going to be huge. i will tell you something else. something that people aren't talking about and i that is the unmasking, i think one of the biggest pieces of information that will come out here as well is those people that were unmasked, americans that were unmasked, their conversations, telephoneri conversations with foreigners. and remember, samantha powers, there was a big debate and trey gowdy got her to answer some very important questions. she unmasked nearly 300, that ii unheard of. put it this way, when john bolton was at the u.n. he unmasked three people, three people. she unmasked close to 300. i will tell you some of those names will be very important. >> dan: that is what started when they come out. the case. sidney i will go to you with your legal expertise i would appreciate fr

we had an australian diplomat sitting down with george papadopoulos reporting back george papadopoulos is reporting russia is offering dirt on hillary clinton. what are you going to do? go to congress and risk that being leaked? no. they took the quiet way to prove it. carving out the australian, getting rid of their long-time informant, you don't want him seeing the light of day in court. you insert a counterintelligence investigator who can go under cover, lay eyes on george papadopoulos and ask him point blank. that's how you do it. that's not spying. it's solid investigative work. >> it's all under investigation again. as you said, it's a heavily regulated, if you will, part of law enforcement, but it's also under scrutiny in an ongoing ig report, so if anything is there to be corrected or revealed we'll find out about it in a short order, right? >> bring it on. let's get the guidelines and the rule book. see what the bureau did and let's see if they violated any rules. >> let me ask you, tim o'brien, you've covered trump the longest out of all of us assembled. what does his full p

>> i have a little more confidence in "the new york times" story than i do for george papadopoulos. let's see what plays out in terms of who actually is in the source who comes in there. but i think the important thing is there was a placement put in there. they were trying to figure out in terms of this counterintelligence investigation, it's a defensive counterintelligence investigation, they're trying to find out did the russian government actually penetrate into a presidential campaign? they need to make sure that is not happening, so you're going to take this maneuver for sure. >> michael, people want to know what the trump campaign was like. we read from the mueller report. papadopoulos contacted trump campaign manager corey lewandowski via linkedin, as one does and emailed campaign official michael glassener about his interest in joining the trump campaign. on march 2 of 2016 papadopoulos sent another message to glassener speaking of his interest. notified papadopoulos by email that she had been told by glassener to introduce papadopoulos to sam clovis of iowa, the trump camp

>> i have a little more confidence in "the new york times" story than i do for george papadopoulos. let's see what plays out in terms of who actually is in the source who comes in there. but i think the important thing is there was a placement put in there. they were trying to figure out in terms of this counterintelligence investigation, it's a defensive counterintelligence investigation, they're trying to find out did the russian government actually penetrate into a presidential campaign? they need to make sure that is not happening, so you're going to take this maneuver for sure. >> michael, people want to know what the trump campaign was like. we read from the mueller report. papadopoulos contacted trump campaign manager corey lewandowski via linkedin, as one does and emailed campaign official michael glassner about his interest in joining the trump campaign. on march 2 of 2016 papadopoulos sent another message to glassner reiterating his interest. glassner notified papadopoulos by email that she had been told by glassner to introduce papadopoulos to sam clovis of iowa, the trum

papadopoulos said, this is no research assistant, she is up to something. they've admitted tonight she was indeed a government agent. >> absolutely appeared at democrats were apoplectic when attorney general barr said there was spying taking place. it turns out, it is 100% correct. at what is fascinating about "the new york times" story, she asks him the question, was the trump campaign working with the russians? pretty direct question and now two and a half years, $25 million later, we finally have the answer. no, they were not working with the russians, so now we need to get to the bottom of how did we spend two and half years and $25 million chasing a conspiracy theory down a rabbit hole? because they weren't working with the russians. that is a question of the american people deserve an answer to now that we have a definitive response about the conspiracy, and one of the reasons, perhaps, that the democrats are going after barr so far is because in his testimony the other day and a few weeks ago, he said he is going to get to the bottom of that. they wa

kellyanne conway, george papadopoulos, ed rendell. dan patrick. e first, america for whom? that's the focus of tonight's angle. if you somehow thought that donald trump would shy away from tackling big issues after republicans lost the house last november, you would be wrong. from china trade to infrastructure and now immigration he's shown fans that he's not just marking time, he's pursuing what he believes will make america great american. lifting up the american worker the american family, and the american tradition. >> president trump: our proposal is pro american, pro immigrant and pro worker. it's just common sense. it will help all of our people including millions of devoted immigrants to achieve the american dream.f >> laura: his plan would basically end the current legal immigration dynamic under which 1.1 million people are given green cards to live and work ino the united states, they don't reduce the number but the frame work changes. 66% of all legal immigrants cana come through chain migration. sometimes they will describe it as distant family migration. now,

they describe that a woman set up a meeting with then-campaign adviser george papadopoulos in london. she was posing as a research investigator. at that time, the fbi eventually ended up having four people in trump orbit under investigation, based on shady, suspicious ties to the kremlin. one thing i will take exception that i push back a little on this reporting, is they describe it as signaling or explaining this state of alarm inside the fbi, which i disrespectfully disagree with. this is investigation 101. inform informants, undercover agents, investigative tools, they take you places that fbi agents can't go. they can't announce themselves and start asking questions. the president is going to call this spying. this notion that the obama administration was directing this is pure politics. this is investigation 101. if the fbi is trying to investigate a string of bank robbers or a terrorist group, or a campaign, this is the tool you would use. >> the trump team is claiming this is calling this spying. you say that is not accurate. why do you say that? >> the problem with the term s

george papadopoulos is telling fox news the young female in form and try to seduce them. you're watching speech 25, and harris faulkner. melissa francis, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, fox news contributor rachel campos-duffy, and in the center seat, fox news chief national correspond, ed henry. >> ed: good to see you. dana perino got me this time pocket square. from a company called ring neck. she said, "i want you to have it." i decided to debut it now. very sweet of her. >> harris: we are giving each other things. a lot of love here at fox news. [laughter] i want the people to feel it. welcome. "the new york times" is reporting the fbi sent a woman to meet george papadopoulos at a london bar where she asked him if the term campaign was working with russia. he told tucker carlson last night how he felt. that it was some sort of set up from the get-go. >> i readily understood this wasn't a cambridge assistant, and she barely spoke english, she was very flirty and was trying to do two things. one, to extract information about my professional connections in the middl

george papadopoulos, what are you doing with the russians. this is simple >> the attorney general of the united states sees it in a different category. here's what he said to congress in april. >> i think there was spying that did occur, yes. i think spying did occur. >> let me -- >> the question is whether it was adequately predicated. i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated, but i would need to explore that. i think it is my obligation. >> was surveillance on george papadopoulos adequately predicated? >> boy, i think this is going to go ugly early. any time you investigate a complicated case like this you look at the volume of information files, et cetera that the mueller team acquired. that's a lot of court orders, interviews by witnesses who may be intimidated, a lot of informants. when you have the inspector general look in this case at a very unique in some ways investigation, the likelihood in the next, say, 30 to 60 days, the inspector general of the fbi or the department of justice doesn't come out with a report saying the

george papadopoulos has a new book out called "deep. target: how i got caught in the cross hairs to bring down president trump." probably the most accurate title of a book and a long time. thank you for coming on. briefly describe your experience with the women you believe was sent to spy on the trump campaign by the obama administration. >> that is a great question. i received an unsolicited email in september of 2016 from a man name stefan halper who was suggesting that he wanted to pay me $3,000 to write a report on energy security questions, and i was a recognized expert on that, israel, turkey, and cyprus. i looked him up, i'd never heard of him. i saw that he had worked in four u.s. administrations and he was a professor at cambridge so i accepted his offer and he flew me to london, where he paid for my five star hotel, and he said before i meet with you i want you to meet my assistant. he put this assistant in an email chain along with me and i saw her name, i recognized it as turkish, which was suspicious right away because my p

how much of it was george papadopoulos and what else was there? >> at least the way i thought about it, it's not just like papadopoulos drops in out of nowhere. you have all the stuff going on in the summer before the papadopoulos information, you have all the information about what the russians are doing with the hacking and the dumping of e-mails. clearly intended to have an impact on our political system. then we get the papadopoulos information. you can think of it like an actor on a stage. george papadopoulos walks across the stage. we see the set in front of him, the backdrop. we see what he's saying to us or what we heard indirectly. >> how big of an actor on that stage was the steele dossier? >> to my recollection it comes later. after we have already started the investigation. yeah, it comes in later. we have to look at it. we felt an obligation to look at it. it's coming in from what we thought was a reliable source or a source that was reliable in the past. we had a duty to try to deal with it. we didn't swallow that thing hook, line an

caller has done excellent work in this person in particular, george papadopoulos has written about her. the new york times doesn't like to use the word spying but reporting, some of the ways we have learned about how extensive spying has been. we learned last year, almost a year ago that there were national security letters, human informants, there was government operative, who she is, whether she works for the fbi or not, think bring on someone, george papadopoulos wrote about how he's flirtacious. >> bigger than xeart gate. >> in reverse. >> the question of spying is spying for political reasons or spying because the fbi had concerns. >> it is important that "the new york times" did not use spying and they did focus on the counterintelligence that it was president trump that chose to shape it in that way and all of a sudden the failing new york times is not failing so much because he's now extrapolating from that. >> this comes in the week of facebook banning several people including alex jones on the right, twitter also and the president has been complaining repeatedly about unfair

george papadopoulos, thank you, george. good to see you tonight. >> thank you very much, martha. you too, thank you. >> martha: coming up next, the 2020 candidates seeking a bit of a media do-over, trying to win back some of the momentum that has been gobbled up by joe biden. and they are doing it in some fascinating ways. that's coming up next. our political panel on that. also lara trump from the trump campaign weighs in from her side of the story. live in new york. >> i got buttigieg, i got beto. beto, beto is falling fast. what the hell happened? i don't know what the hell happened to biden? what happened to him? and bernie, you know, bernie is crazy. [laughter] the stats regarding my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. like how humira has been prescribed to over 300,000 patients. and how many patients saw clear or almost clear skin in just 4 months - the kind of clearance that can last. humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. numbers are great. and seeing clearer skin is pretty awesome, too. that's what i call a body of proo

he is energy pert. >> george papadopoulos. send him an email. offer him $3,000. get a hotel invite him to london and ask him do you know about russia and trump colluding? steve: had a couple. brian: astra tucker comes in and flirtation and barely speaks english: you are not helping out. carter page, so there was spying going on in the fbi in this story is trying to rationalize why they are doing this thing called spying which everyone thought was made the president seem out to lunch. steve: ezra turk is an fbi investigator. halper is an fbi informant. he has been talking to the fbi for years. they sent her in so that they could have a meeting and she came right out and said was the trump camp working with russia? they did not get any fruitful information. she returned to the united states. the fbi has declined to comment regarding this question. but the big question goes like this, how high does this go? was it james comey who said hey, i think there could be spying going on or we should spy on the trump campaign because we think they are somehow tied up with the

flirting with george papadopoulos. they not only spied on carter page, the door into all things trump. trump campaign, and transition, trump presidency. correct? >> correct. doesn't understand how a fisa warrant works and why we need to monitor a fit once you get access to this, you get access to phone records, able to insert people like informants posing and also people, agents that might pretend they are a turkish college assistant, as in the case of george papadopoulos, to extract or trick you into giving up information. it's a very powerful tool. listen, fighting spies, capturing terrorists, is hard work. we don't want to take that from the fbi. but in this case, we now know the evidence that was used was highly flawed. it is not a normal counterintelligence investigation. >> sean: james comey said recently he signed the first fisa application. he says no, the fbi doesn't spine. was signing the fisa application, was that spying? did the fbi approve the blonde bombshell and stuff and stefan halper? is that spying? >

george papadopoulos, thank you for that. >> it's incredible. thank you. >> tucker: it is a credible. facebook is one of the world's most powerful companies. now it's using its power to police what you would die and the rest of us say online. how should we respond to that? that's next. also we have no information about nearly a decade of donald trump's tax transcripts. if we are assessing that and we will have more for you after the break. ♪ ♪ go to vettix.org. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. as we just told you, t >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. as we just told you "the new york times" released new information on a decade of the president's taxes. trace gallagher has been taking a close look at what they putk out there and joins us with an update on it. trace. >> we are scanning the article. it's important to note off the top the tax records do not include information or taxes at the center of the president's escalating battle with a congre. there are no allegations of crimes or financial misdeeds. instead, the records go back

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papadopoulos and george carter at the height of the 2016 election. papadopoulos will be here in a moment to preview this major development. he used exculpatory language and we have the tapes and transcripts. and according to the sources this is groundbreaking information fwild copious amounts of exculpatory evidence. obama's d.o.j., comey's fbi had mountains of information proving that trump-russia collusion was always a hoax. they knew on it five different levels. massive red flags were limitered all over the place. but instead of putting the breaks on the witch hunt they kept digging and digging and digging blinded by rage and hatred, desperate to take down the president, donald trump, they never understood why he won. they didn't think of it. by the way, their guiding light the entire time, hillary clinton's russian bought and paid for unverifiable dirty dossier full of lies. a clear example of what is premeditated fraud, conspiracy, against trump, members of his campaign, and guess what, on fisa courts. all must be held accountable. thankfully, t

george papadopoulos's response to the new york times story that it was the cia intel operation, with turkish intel and it wasn't fbi, we don't have all the answers. >> the fbi did brief trump directly before the election and he publicly denied anything about russia's involvement in the pop lost -- the papadopoulos tip came in later. shannon: there are contentious things about what triggered this. you want to address that? >> they talked about the defensive briefing in the house intelligence committee's report. in march 2016 attorney general lynch, director comey and deputy director mccabe talked about doing a defensive brief to the campaign where you going until the campaign you have a problem with russia. the briefing josh is talking about is the standard briefing they give to the candidates, that happened in august. that is not what we are talking about. the defensive briefing they could have done at the beginning of this investigation. shannon: we are going to leave it there. will you will dig it up and let viewers decide but we will try to get information on the timeline as well.

george papadopoulos and donald trump had him on that staff and chose to do that. they ran the investigation based on what they saw the beginning. we thought over 108 pages of the mueller report, had nothing to do with the steel dossier despite all the claims about that. it had to do with basic standard fbi surveillance and investigative techniques when they saw what was going on. shannon: the fbi talking to the new york times, even if they were comfortable with everything they do they are talking about information like maybe there were people we sent in to talk to people, tried to pull some information and embed themselves in to these conversations so even though we haven't heard of that until now they are trying to get ahead of these investigations. >> sure and i would almost say that is standard. you will see that regardless of ideological affiliation or whatever parties in power there is always going to be a preemptive attempt to spin things but what did you see from those leaks? they had the initial part of george papadopoulos talking and they sent in someone

so instead, they pivoted and said they had all these legitimate concerns about george papadopoulos. here's what we are going to verify, the source that papadopoulos might've been talking to russians. there was western intelligence set to spy on papadopoulos and there's a recording and transcriptul of the conversatio. papadopoulos denies any illegal conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia. they had evidence presumablysu that was against papadopoulos and for him. what they will ever be able to defend is that they never presented that evidence to the fisa court. >> sean: they were warned by bruce ohr, august 2016. they were warned by this woman at the state department ten days prior to the signing of the first fisa application. now we know on this whole new level you're describing, though they are withholding exculpatory information from the fisa court despite on an opposition party campaign? >> absolutely. this is what attorney general barr means when he talks about them putting their thumb on the scale. the government has no obligation before a secret court with no defense a

similar to george papadopoulos. who was being probed by stefan halper who was a former british professor who was gathering information for the fbi and spying on the trump campaign. the most interesting fact i think, and i will leave you with this, sean, is that tricia anderson basically tries to downplay bruce ohr's involvement when they question about being the back channel for christopher steele after the fbi fired him. they question her over and over again. if the fbi actually had enough evidence, enough evidence to go after a fisa with what they found in the dossier. tricia anderson refuses to answer on multiple occasions. it's going to be very interesting to see what comes out next. it's going to be very interesting to see what the department of justice, william barr, attorney general william barr, will have as far as information on, you know, on the investigation and how it coincides with these transcripts. i think people have a lot of answering to do. >> sean: a lot of spying. he forgot the bond movie blonde

kellyanne conway, george papadopoulos, ed rendell. first, america for whom? that's the focus of tonight's angle. if you somehow thought that donald twrump would shy away from trackling big issues after republicans lost the house last november, you would be wrong. from china trade to fruk and now immigration he's shown fans that he's not just marking time, he's pursuing what he believes will make america great american. lifting up the american worker, the american family, and the american tradition. >> president trump: our proposal is pro american, pro immigrant, and pro worker. it's just common sense. it will help all of our people, including millions of devoted immigrants to achieve the american dream. >> laura: his plan would basically end the current legal immigration dynamic under which 1.1 million people are given green cards to live and work in the united states, they don't reduce the number but the frame work changes. 66% of all legal immigrants can come through chain migration. sometimes they will describe it as distant family migration. now, all of t

papadopoulos, so you can see these coming together. >> shannon: you also talk to him about the man who is the front runner for the democrats, questions about ukraine. >> it's a complicated story with the former vice president and the ukraine, but in a nutshell, the allegations are that he put pressure on the ukraine to get a prosecutor fired who was looking at a russian oligarch's business, where joe biden's son sat on the board, so there was a conflict of interest. but we began the section by asking first about the upcoming election and whether the president had asked vladimir putin to back off in 2020. >> president trump: i don't think i've spoken with him about the 2020, but i've certainly told him, you can't do what you are doing, and i don't believe they will be. i don't believe they will be. >> you been firm with the russian president? >> president trump: i think so. i think nobody has done more about russia than i have. president obama in september, before the november election, my november election, if you look, he was told by the fbi and others about russia. he did nothing abo

working alongside a cambridge professor that met with george papadopoulos and carter page. we have known about stefan harper since may. we knew about this. we knew that george papadopoulos bragged about information the russians had to the australians who told the americans who then looked into it to see if there was something untoward happening. we knew about harper. when trump seizes on this and says it is worse than watergate, a huge development that there's a woman working alongside harper, does that change the story or develop it now that there's an additional person working as an informant? >> erin, it really doesn't. it again confirms, reporting suggests and confirms in my mind that if accurate, this is yet another classic example of how the fbi does counter intelligence investigations. you're right, there's not a lot new from previously reported but all seems to be standard operating procedure for the fbi. >> attorney general bill barr confirmed something in his hearing which is the trump campaign received a briefing in august of 2016 about russian threats specifical

it was the george papadopoulos information. it was the george papadopoulos. we spent resources on it, but it was not the center piece of everything. >> you bring up george papadopoulos and that being the start and you had a few fbi informants, i believe you had somebody working for the fbi and also an informant in stephon. but this gentleman ended up in the white house for a white house meeting as an fbi informant. at some point, did you think, what have we -- that was alarming to me to read that an fbi informant was still sort of actively helping your investigation but also pretending to be a trump ally. do you see why -- under that circumstance perhaps why the president is so paranoid? >> i understand why people are concerned about the power of the fbi and some of the investigate techniques that we use. without confirming or denying the specifics. what were we trying to do? again, i'm saying it again, we were focused on what the russians were up to, what they were doing. we weren't trying to gather information about politics or protected first amendment act

george papadopoulos, the response to "the new york times" story is that actually it was a cia intel operation with turkish intel, and it wasn't fbi. we actually don't have all the answers about this. >> the fbi did brief trump directly before the election, and he publicly denied anything about russia's involvement. the papadopoulos tip came in before the dossier was in the fbi's hands. >> shannon: and he is saying no, because there are contentious things about exactly what triggered what and when the dossier versus papadopoulos. andy, looks like you want to address that. >> they were talking about doing a defensive briefing, in the house intelligence committee's report in march of 2016, attorney general lynch, director called me, and deputy director mccabe talked about doing a defensive briefing for the campaign, where you go in and tell the campaign, we think you have a problem with russia. the briefing that i think josh is talking about is the standard briefing that they give to the candidates, the two candidates for president. that happened in august, six months later. that is not what we

investigator tar g*eted trump campaign aid george papadopoulos. the president said he believes former f.b.i. director james comey was one of the people or probably one of the people who led the so-called spying effort and the president said this will be known, an apparent reference to the inspector general's report anticipated this month or next. >> president trump: i think that he did a terrible job. i would say he probably led some kind of an effort, the words spying has been used. he probably was one of the people leading the effort on spying, >> a very serious charge to make. >> president trump: we'll find out whether or not it was true. i think it could very well be true. we'll find out pretty soon. >> remember just about six or eight months ago the president announced he would declassify the russia records that relate to a surveillance for an application for a trump campaign aide carter page and then he put it on pause. what we learned in the interview yesterday is that the president is now pushing ahead and when it comes to timing and when

this incident, the george papadopoulos information is what triggered us going down this path. it's against the backdrop of a dump of emails over the summer that were attributed by various entities to the russians in one way or another, and then -- and other things going on that summer and this thing lands in the middle of that. that's what then focuses us and triggers this course of investigation. >> frank it seems like we can never share enough original source information about the truth of the russia investigation. your thoughts about jim baker speaking out and what he had to say? >> i applaud him speaking out. again, the fbi is particularly in counterintelligence, is a culture of secrecy but this time in history calls for us to set the record straight and i think that's what baker is trying to do. in that regard, our attorney general is doing the opposite. he's put out this informationno looking into the predication of the russia investigation. well, get it out. the more he takes time the more the public will think there's something wrong with it. i predict we'll never come

stefan halper, who went after carter page, george papadopoulos, sam clovis, and now we have a blonde bombshell flirting with papadopoulos. they not only spied on carter page, it gave them the door into all things trump world. trump campaign, and transition, trump presidency. correct? >>p yes. anyone who says it was targeted narrowly at carter page doesn't understand how a fisa warrant works and why we need to monitor a fit once you get access to this, you get access to historical phone records, able to insert people like informants posing as other people, agents that might pretend they are a turkish college assistant, as in the case of george papadopoulos, to extract or trick you into giving up information. it's a very powerful tool. listen, fighting spies, capturing terrorists, is hard work. we don't want to take that from the fbi. but in this case, we now know the evidence that was used was highly flawed. it is not a normal counterintelligence investigation. >> sean: james comey said f recently he signed that first fisa application. he says, oh, no, the fbi doesn't spy. was signing

george papadopoulos made early contact with a professor who had connections to russia. immediately upon his return to london he told papadopoulos that the russian government had dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails. one week later in the first week of may 2016, papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the trump campaign had received indications from the russian government that it could assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to candidate clinton. throughout that period of time and for several months thereafter, papadopoulos worked with two russian nationals to arrange a meeting between the campaign and the russian government. no meeting took place. summer 2016. russian outreach to the trump campaign continued into the summer of 2016 as candidate trump was becoming the republican nominee for president. on june 9, 2016, for example, a russian lawyer met with senior trump campaign officials donald trump jr., jared kushner and campaign chairman paul manafort to deliver what the e-mail ha

papadopoulos pled guilty to lying about russian contacts. >> ...former trump aide george papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to making false statements . >> narrator: trump's campaign chairman, paul manafort, and his deputy, rick gates, were indicted on numerous charges ranging from conspiracy to money laundering. >> ...manafort and his former business associate rick gates were told to surrender to federal authorities this morning. >> narrator: michael flynn pled guilty to that charge of lying t tohe fbi. >> white house national curity adviser michael flynn has pleaded guilty to lying... >> narrator: and then the fbi dramatically escalated the showdown. >> breaking news tonight, and it's a bombshell. the fbi raids the office of president trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen. >> narrator: the president, as he watched the raid on television, was furious. >> trump erupted-- he was very upset. he was consumed by this news all day. uh, it was very troubling for him and scary for him. >> ...fbi raiding his office, his home, and a hotel room...dv >> white houseers are saying, "can we turn off

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and they did it to get a larger sense of information about the trump fisa warrant mentioned george papadopoulos, what was that about? so we need to find out more of what went on and if there is any problem with the intelligence community, it's with overclassification of information. and this could help fix that. >> martha: byron, thank you. good to see you tonight. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: this is not good as we saw in dramatic fashion this week the feud between house speaker nancy pelosi and the president reached fevered pitch. the president weighed in today. >> can i work with the speaker. sure can i work with the speaker. did you hear with me long before i went after her? did you hear? she made horrible statements. she knows they are not true. she said terrible things. so i just responded in kind. i want to do what's good for the country. i think nancy pelosi is not helping this country. >> martha: all right. let's bring in chris stirewalt with his thoughts on all of this. [laughter] >> martha: is he crazy. she is sick. he is crazy. i can't remember which. everybody needs to see a do

papadopoulos pled guilty to lying about russian contacts. >> ...former trump aide george papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to making lse statements... >> narrator: trump's campaign chairman, paul manafort, and his deputy, rick gates, were indicted on numerous charges ranging from conspiracy to money laundering. >> ...manafort and his former business associate rick gate were told to surrender to federal authorities this morning. m >> narratohael flynn pled guilty to that charge of lying to the fbi. >> white house national security adviser michael flynn has pleaded guilty to lying... >> narrator: and then the fbi dramatically escalated the showdown. >> breaking news tonight, and 's a bombshell. the fbi raids the office of president trump's personal wyer, michael cohen. >> narrator: the president, as he watched the raid on television, was furious. >> trump erupt-- he was very upset. he was consumed by this news all da uh, it was very troubling for him and scary for him. >> ...fbi raiding his office, his home, and a hotel room... white house advisers are saying, "can we turn off the televis