guest: it sounds like it is too easy on mike pence. some say it is too hard on mike pence. it is possible. have i been too empathetic? i don't know. it is hard to tell when you're in the thicket and trying to go into his world and trying to report and trying to let the anecdotes say what they say. so that we understand him. thatpeople might interpret differently. some of the book reviews say you do good job of trying to keep it in the middle. it is tough. he is a human. these things are complex. politics devolves into characters. caricatures missed the mark. i think they politically help him. i think those caricatures are good for him and keep that christian right voter base with him. host: next is james in tallahassee florida. caller: good morning. it seems to me that, since you know everything that is going on [indiscernible] nobody wants pence for president. losey will step down -- nancy pelosi will step down. effort it is a concerted . you have to take down pence. i was wondering how long it would take. losey will be in line. she will say she doesn't want it -- nancy pe

when karen pence refuses to kiss mike pence on election night. the first time i heard that i thought it was because she was angry at donald trump, his style, everything. the more i reported this and the more i understood that their joint political career was focused on 2020, it's a gamble. and the gamble that they took when they signed on with trump was that he might win and they lost the gamble and in that moment they went from having these -- at the timeered to trump for four months, being tethered to him for four years, maybe even eight and that's why she refused to kiss him. host: tharls stop, mississippi, republican line. caller: yes, i support mr. pence because people made fun of him because of his faith. 90% of the media is liberal and john sol man -- solomon has been investigated the ukraine and prosecuting two people that were involved with the d.n.c. going and working with the campaign against trump and the democratic party is the party of slavery and abortions and against civil rights of the 1960's. host: jeff on our democrats line. ca

i do know trump never liked pence. trump always thought of pence as kind of a loser. think trumpy -- i had a poster named tony fabrizio who said pence is a good candidate because he is lifting your numbers with evangelical voters and the conservatives. manager --r campaign chairman paul manafort and the former rnc chairman reince priebus also pushed for pence. they had their reasons but the bottom line is it would help trump with the conservatives and evangelicals. that is the only reason pence is there. it makes the ticket look a little more solid, a little more palatable. let me tell you this scandal going on right now with the impeachment and trump mentioning pence being on the phone call, trump will throw pence under the bus in a heartbeat. i can't wait to see that when that happens. that is all i have to say. thank you. host: tom lobianco? guest: to the last point it feels that way about trump throwing pence under the bus. it felt that way with the trump press conference where he talked about releasing the tapes, and some robbins of whether or not his people are

why mike pence is there. how can he stand next to a philanderer like donald trump? here's the answer. one, he is daniel to trump's nebuchadnezzar in the old testament, keeping his people safe, acting as a cipher for god and also trying to keep the broader populace safe. or 2 a similar version, he is joseph to trump's pharaoh and he is placed by god to keep everything on track. this also -- this tracks with the secular version you would hear from people occasionally about the adults in the room in the white house. that is how they view it. does it mean he agrees people should cheat on their wives and pay host money to porn stars? absolutely not but he is trying to do good. >> host: let's go to modesto, california, chris, independent line. >> caller: i am wondering if pence can be sucked into trump's orbit, lies, deception and cheating the government? >> host: you think there is a line in pence's character? this is enough? >> guest: great question. i got the question a couple days ago too was there has to be so

knowing mike pence and just what mike pence knows and what would make sense to mike pence, you would suspect that if he read this transcript that this would be -- >> dangerous. >> exactly. this wouldn't raise a red flag for president trump, but it would for mike pence. >> what's interesting now about the call is it's brazenous. this was set up for months with our secretary of state, and by then zelensky clearly knew corruption equals giving something on biden. so why was trump so blatant and brazen in the call to not speak in any kind of code but just come right out, you know, eight times, investigate, investigate and really draw the lane. >> and we know trump would tell anybody, and he says it 50 times a day, that the bidens should be investigated for corruption in ukraine. you don't think when he canceled pence's visit that he said to pence, you know, i'm cancelling your visit because blank? >> we're sending rick perry. >> because of corruption, because they're not investigating the bidens? i mean, that strains credulity. >> thank you so much. we thank you so much for joining me an

guest: it sounds like it is too easy on mike pence. some say it is too hard on mike pence. it is possible. have i been too empathetic? i don't know. it is hard to tell when you're in the thicket and trying to go into his world and trying to report and trying to let the anecdotes say what they say. so that we understand him. thatpeople might interpret differently. some of the book reviews say you do good job of trying to keep it in the middle. it is tough. he is a human. these things are complex. politics devolves into characters. caricatures missed the mark. i think they politically help him. i think those caricatures are good for him and keep that christian right voter base with him. host: next is james in tallahassee florida. caller: good morning. it seems to me that, since you know everything that is going on [indiscernible] nobody wants pence for president. losey will step down -- nancy pelosi will step down. effort it is a concerted . you have to take down pence. i was wondering how long it would take. losey will be in line. she will say she doesn't want it -- nancy pe

but here's the reporting, donald trump repeatedly involved and used pence to exert pressure, today pence not to attend the inauguration of the new ukrainian president. this is raising a ton of questions not only for pence but as if donald trump was planning ahead to try to spread around the guilt if you look at the story that way. meanwhile secretary of state pompeo denied he knew anything about the collusion call with ukraine but now a different story. >> what do you know about those conversations? >> so you just gave me a report about a whistle-blower complaint, none of which i have seen. >> mr. secretary, do you have any reports you're on the july 25th call with president zelensky? >> as for was i on the phone call, i was on the phone call. the phone call was in the context of now i have been secretary of state for coming on a year and a half. >> three different stories in three days and now this reuters reporting, democrats were contacted by lawmakers and told not to start to their own state department counsel, warning pompeo to, quote, stop intimidating witnesses for trump and any a

tom lobianco is a longtime mike pence reporter. i don't know if that's on your business card -- [laughter] but he has covered mike pence from the statehouse to white house for a host of organizations including the associated press, cnn and the indianapolis star. he's a regular political analyst on national television and radio. and he is not currently employed as a staff writer anywhere because he has been writing this book and now touring the on it for the last six months or so -- [laughter] >> it feels like that. >> but his book is "piety and power: mike pence and the taking of the white house." so i have kind of a similar question for both of you or which is give me an origin story for your subject. so for mike pence or the council for national policy. and it doesn't have to be the whole story, but just give me an origin story that helps explain why we're here talking about them and why they matter. >> sure. so i started covering mike pence when he ran for governor. he launched for governor of indiana in june 2011, and i've cove

tom lobianco is a longtime mike pence reporter. i don't know if that's on your business card -- [laughter] but he has covered mike pence from the statehouse to white house for a host of organizations including the associated press, cnn and the indianapolis star. he's a regular political analyst on national television and radio. and he is not currently employed as a staff writer anywhere because he has been writing this book and now touring the on it for the last six months or so -- [laughter] >> it feels like that. >> but his book is "piety and power: mike pence and the taking of the white house." so i have kind of a similar question for both of you or which is give me an origin story for your subject. so for mike pence or the council for national policy. and it doesn't have to be the whole story, but just give me an origin story that helps explain why we're here talking about them and why they matter. >> sure. so i started covering mike pence when he ran for governor. he launched for governor of indiana in june 2011, and i've cove

pence:? vice pres. pence: let me say rst, we think the elimination of al-baghdadi, thective lead measurable impact on that terrorist organization. let me address your question specifically. the president has made it clear, when our troops went into syrian combination with syrian democratic forces, they went in with the purposee f defeating is caliphate and they accomplished that in march of this year with great sacrifice of syrian kurds and ofur forces, great professionalism and courage on both sides, the last inch of territory controlled by the isis caliphate was captured. with the killing of al-baghdadi, we believe that fight h gone on and will continue. the president's decision to move forces out of the region, in a real sense, it was a reflection of the fact that our troops went into s caliphate, but they had evolved into being troops simply patrolling the border between traditional kurdish syria and turkey. the president said we didn't need to in that mission. he announced we were moving the troops

beginning with mick pence. the chairman of the house intel over sight and foreign affairs committee writing to the vice president asking for ukraine documents by october 15. it doesn't look like pence is ready to play ball. his office releasing a statement saying the request doesn't appear to be a serious request. but just another attempt by the do nothing democrats to call attention to the partisan impeachment. like it or not vice president pence is kaulgt up in the impeachment inquiry. in may, the president instructed vice president pence to cancel his plan travel to ukraine to attend president zelensky inauguration of may 20. president put a freeze on the aid for the ukraine and days later pressured zelensky to investigate the bidens on the phone call. pence was told about that kwaul the very next day. and the transcript of the call was placed in his briefing book. then the president used pence to tell zelensky that aid was still being with held because of corruption. let's discuss now. with matt louis and j

i'm not shocked pence was involved because he does whatever pence tells him, right? trump is homer simpson, right, and he basically picked ned flanders as his v.p. if trump says jump into that volcano, pence would be like oakley dockley, sir, i'll do it. ( laughter ) mike pence doesn't deny he got tough with ukraine. he claims it was all totally innocent. >> questions swirling about what pence knew and when. >> officials close to pepsi say he was unaware the president pressured zelensky for damaging information on i political rival joe biden. >> his aides insist he was in the dark. >> trevor: i won't lie. this is a weird excuse. pence said he was pressuring ukraine but didn't know it had anything to do with joe biden. that doesn't make sense. why was he pressuring him, didn't he why? that would be like a mob enforcer not knowing what he's enforcing. i don't think you understand, tommy, my boss wants me to do the thing. what do you want me to do? i don't know! i just show up and do this with my hands and people do a thing. i don't know what it is! ( laughter ) mike pe

you said trump is not crazy to question pence's loyalty. when you heard the report willing, what hareporting, what was your impression? >> the thing that stood out to me was that the fact that there were officials close to pence quoted assisting that pence did not know anything about the efforts to investigate joe biden. now, that is consistent with behind the scenes dynamic between the president and the vice president. that goes back to 2016. and you mentioned that pence is theatrically loyal to donald trump and that is kind of how he is known. but that hasn't always been the case and there have always been questions in the president 's orbit and including from the president himself, last year reportedly asking people is mike pence loyal, are we sure he is loyal. because in 2016 after the "access hollywood" tape came out, there was a moment when his place on the republican ticket looked to be in peril. and in that 24 hours, mike pence was mia. he stopped campaigning. his aides kind of circulated word that pence was beside himself over the

pence: that is your question. the issue of aid and our efforts with regard to ukraine were from my experience, in no way connected to the very legitimate concern the american people have about corruption that took place, about things that happened in the 2016 election, in ukraine, or about the issue that former vice president biden had his son on the board of a major energy company in ukraine at a time when the vice president was running the united ukraine.forts in the american people have a right to know what was going on. all of my discussions with the leadership in ukraine was entirely focused on president trump's priority of supporting efforts to end corruption. reporter: [indiscernible] reporter: [inaudible] vice pres. pence: right back there. reporter: [inaudible] vice pres. pence: i think that is why president trump is so concerned about foreign interference in our election in ukraine. if you read the transcript, you will see the president said to president zelensky that our country had been through a lot a

all the president's men beginning with mike pence. the chairman of the house intel oversight and foreign affairs committees writing to the vice president asking for ukraine documents by october 15th, but it doesn't look like pence is ready to play ball. his office releasing a statement today saying that the request, quote, does not appear to be a serious request but just another attempt by the do nothing democrats to call attention to their partisan impeachment. but like it or not, vice president pence is caught up in the impeachment inquiry. let's walk you through it. in may the president instructed vice president pence to cancel his planned travel to ukraine to attend president zelensky's inauguration on the 20th of may. then the president put a freeze on aid for aid. pence was told about the call the very next day and the transcript of the call was placed in his briefing book. then the president used pence to tell zelensky that aid was still being withheld because of corruption. let's discuss now with matt lewis and josh green, the

how could pence have known about that? well, quote, perhaps most significantly, one of pence's top advisors was on the july 25th call between president trump and president zelenskiy when trump made that specific ask about joe biden. also quote, the vice president would have had access to the transcript of that call within hours of it taking place. and now here's where we get the anonymous white house officials throwing vice president mike pence under the bus. quote, white house officials say pence likely would have received detailed notes of the president's call with zelenskiy in his daily briefing book on july 26th just one day after the call took place. those same officials also telling t"the washington post" tonight that that detailed record of the president's call with zelenskiy, which we have all seen now, which shows president trump plainly pressuring zelenskiy to give him dirt on biden, that five-page document should also have been part of the briefing materials that pence was given to take with him to warsaw to pre

how could pence have known about that? well, quote, perhaps most significantly, one of pence's top advisors was on the july 25th call between president trump and president zelensky when trump made that specific ask about joe biden. also quote, the vice president would have had access to the transcript of that call within hours of it taking place. and now here's where we get the anonymous white house officials throwing vice president pence under the bus. quote, white house officials say pence likely would have received detailed notes of the president's call with zelensky in his daily briefing book on july 26th just one day after the call took place. those same officials also telling "the washington post" tonight that that detailed record of the president's call with zelensky, which we've all seen now, which shows president trump plainly pressuring zell lien ski to give him dirt on biden, that five-page document should also have been part of the briefing materials pence was given to take with him to warsaw to prepare for his

to pull pence into this thing. well, of course he had the transcript of the phone call. >> that's right. so it's fascinating because pence is -- there's a double game going on here. the pence advisor and then aides who talked to "the post" told a story basically of a mike pence who was innocent, doesn't know-nothing about no extortion, that he's completely innocent of all this. at the same time pence's offense issuing an official statement saying of course there's no daylight between the president and vice president. when in fact if you believe "the post" reporting and i certainly do believe "the post" reporting because they're great reporters, there is an increasing amount of daylight. mike pence has been very good at sort of playing this game of publicly being with trump but having his own little fiefdom and kind of insulated from what's going on. >> norm, given that we have a history of impeachment from nixon and now to tonight. i've been trying to find the historical markers as they happen, and so that was a bi

before and pence now, yeah. he essentially is saying at this point that he feels like congress, which he used to be a member of, is bullying state department officials and he is there to protect them from these big bullies in congress, like adam schiff and all these other folks who are looking for documents and looking to piece together the mosaic of what happened with ukraine. yeah. this is what we've seen time and time again, all these republicans who said something before when they were going after hillary clinton, going after barack obama, going after any number of republicans. now they're doing everything they can. >> you can find democratic sound bites from the impeachment inquiry of clinton that sounds now like republicans. >> absolutely. >> which is the point you are making, when you take norms that are supposed to be in place and twist them for your partisan gain, it will come back to bite you. >> one difference is you did have democrats back in 1999. >> vote for impeachment. >> yes. >> russ finegold vo

trump repeatedly involved pence in efforts to exert pressure on the leader of ukraine and used pence to tell zelensky the u.s. aid was still being withheld while demanding more aggressive action on corruption. plus according "the post" one of the president's top advisers was on the july 25th call with the ukrainian president. i'm joined by the staff writer of the atlantic written extensively including the profile god's plan for mike pence which is maybe what we're seeing coming to fruit here. what are people on capitol hill and republican circles and vp circles saying about donald trump absolutely doing his best to pull mike pence into this whole scandal? >> well, it's interesting. i spoke to a senior republican senate aid this week who said, you know, it has always been the case for the vast majority of republican senators that if they could magically snap their fingers and mike vice president mike pence president mike pence and get rid of donald trump, they would do it, right? of course that option has not been available to them and there would be certain political realities they'd

vice president pence: maybe add an addendum to that. one thing i know the president and the american people are most proud of is the investment of hundreds of millions of dollars to help rebuild a christian, yazidi, and other religious communities after the horrifying violence in syria and northern iraq. we'll continue to flow those resources to support those communities. but, as you'll see from this agreement, it is a specific undertaking by turkey and by the united states to ensure, to protect religious minorities in the affected region. reporter: thank you, mr. vice president. you mentioned that there's an organized withdrawal from y.p.g. fighters. can you explain that a little bit more, where they're going to withdraw to, what the future is for them? many in washington say they led part of the fight against the islamic state group, against isis. what do you see for the future of northern syria? do you see any future for the syrian kurds, politically, there? vice president pence: well, our commitment with turkey is that we will work

of course pence knew about it. you think trump kept this a secret the guy can't keep his mouth shut about anything. he probably ran over to pence's office immediately to tell him about it just like a kid who figured out how to type "boobs" on a calculator. [ laughter and applause "mike, mike, look. do you see, mike mike mike mike mike [ laughter ] do you see?" [ laughter ] so, obviously, pence knew what was going on just like trump's secretary of state mike pompeo, who was on this call and his attorney, general bill barr, who was named repeatedly during the call so now, because they're all implicated and because they have no defense, they're just threatening to block the impeachment inquiry altogether trump's calling it a treasonous coup, and rudy giuliani is actually threatening to sue congress for following the impeachment procedure laid out by the founders in the constitution and if you're wondering just how serious this lawsuit is, here's a real text message exchange rudy had with a reporter for "the atlantic,"

vice president pence: i may have an addendum to that. one thing i no ethis president and the american people are most proud of is the investment of hundreds of millions of dollars to help rebuild a christian -- to help rebuild christian, yazidi, and other religious communities after the violence in syria and northern iraq. we'll continue to flow those resources to support those communities. as you'll see from this agreement, it is a specific undertaking by turkey and by the united states to ensure, to protect religious minorities in the affected region. reporter: thank you, mr. vice president. you mentioned there's an organized withdrawal from y.p.g. fighters. can you explain more, where they're going to withdraw to, what the future is for them? many in washington say they led part of the fight against the islamic state group, against isis. what do you see for the future of northern syria? do you see any future for the syrian kurds politically? vice president pence chk our commitment with turkey is that we will work with y.p.g. members k

if mike pence were to become head of state, mike pence is as deeply involved as donald trump is, so you really don't change anything if mike pence is in place and if all of the other people that were involved, all of the conspirators remain in place, and you still particularly have william barr, who is somebody who is completely now out of the realm of being the public's lawyer and just acting as -- we just heard elizabeth holtzman say, to deep six investigations against trump, and to raise investigations against his enemies. how does anything change if donald trump is no longer at the top of this sort of, you know, web of corruption, but pence is then at the top of it? >> well, i think a couple things happen. one, the american voters will actually see, and i remain sort of a pollyanna that i believe facts ultimately matter and that, in fact, even 20 republican senators might come to their senses and say, the country is at risk if i don't vote this way, and the facts are clear. and i think in this case, we have very clear facts. there is -- and liz and i talked about this before the sho

and, gene, in the reporting tonight, you can see the unnamed pence defenders, people close to pence, as they're identified, and then the trump unnamed sources who are trying to pull pence into this saying, well, of course he had the transcript of the phone call. >> that's right. so, it's fascinating, because pence is -- there's a double game going on here. the pence advisers and aides who talk to "the post" told a story basically of mike pence who was innocent, doesn't know nothing about no extortion. you know, he's completely innocent of all of this at the same time, pence's office is issuing an official statement saying the post is totally crazy and, of course, there's no daylight between the president and the vice president. when, in fact, if you believe "the post" reporting, and i certainly do believe "the post" reporting, great reporters, there's an increasing amount of daylight. mike pence has been very good at sort of playing this game of publicly being with trump but having his own little kind of insulated from what's going on. >> given that we have history of impeachment thr

pence's opinion? go for it. >> when you hold the second highest office in the land, it comes with unique responsibilities, not just to be above impropriety but to be above the appearance of impropriety. clearly in this case there are legitimate questions that ought to be asked. >> hmm. when vice president pence said legitimate questions that ought to be asked, he was essentially parroting and defending the president's unfounded and debunked conspiracy theories about joe biden, even as the vice president has become the latest high profile administration figure to become embroiled in the scandal. "the washington post" reported last night that pence was involved in trump's alleged efforts to pressure ukraine. aides to pence said he had either not known or not understood what the president was allegedly doing when he asked the president of ukraine for a favor. but there he was today, in arizona, telling reporters that the president did nothing wrong in that call. as this scandal continues to hang over the

>> tom bossert worked for pence too. so he revealed to the in a sunday show that he spent his tenure there trying to disavow donald trump in his belief in some whacky ukrainian server in crowd strike. but you have to believe that not only did pence's national security adviser cover up what he heard on the call from pence thinking maybe he will be president in six weeks, but he also was immune to all the efforts that came before that call from bossert and others to disavow donald trump. >> since we're all speculating i will speculate too. i assume that pence is trying to carve out some plausible deniability that i'm not going to talk to zelensky about the bidens so he can leak this story saying that he didn't know it. and i have another explanation for everybody being on the call. and mike knows ten times more about this than i do, and it's another organized crime reference. it's like the mafia don that wants to get everybody dirty and in on the call at the same time. it's like i want you to know about this, i want you to

go ahead, take advantage. . >>> david jolly on being mike pence. >> mike pence is guilty without question. mike pence was told by trump to skip zelensky's inauguration in may. certainly he would have been told why. the phone call happened on july 25th, the text messages occurred throughout august, and on september 1, donald trump sends mike pence to meet with ukraine president zelensky in warsaw, poland for pence to deliver the message that, mr. president, you are not receiving your aid. there is no way vice president mike pence would have gone into that meeting without a full brief of the white house's posture towards ukraine. he simply would not have. it would have been too dangerous of a national security moment to do so. the question becomes, then, nikoan nicolle, if it was an impeachment for congress to do this, wasn't it also an opportunity for mike pence to further the behavior? the white house won't go that far out of prudence and time, but they can certainly censure him. he's looking like a weak man. for a man who likes to profess to honesty to his religious convictions, he is a

vice president pence: right. thank you, mr. vice president. while you were here negotiating -- several hours >> do you think the sanctions k,ail?ack m mail. didn'tesident pence: he not agree with that and he did post -- pose -- impose sanctions. president trump made it clear that would be additional sanctions to bring an end to the violence and loss of innocent lives in this border conflict. that being said, i really 's cease-fire is a credit to president trump enter president erdogan and a credit to the strong relationship between the united states and turkey. it is also a credit to the strong relationship between our two leaders. where there are differences between friends, it is important that friends let their feelings be known. president trump did that in this case. it facilitated us being able to reach an agreement that has now weulted in a cease-fire and believe will set the stage for creating a peaceful and stable safe zone and the united states is committed to achieve that for all of the people in this region. >> can i finish the ques

we look at the role mike pence plays in the turbulent trump administration. laur scotland has become the first nation in theak u.k. to it a criminal offense for rents to smack their children. across the rest of the u.k., parents are still allowed to use what is called reasonable physical force. smacking has been outlawed in many cntries around the world, but it remains a controversial issue even in scotland, with criticsic arguing that the rules risk criminaling good and strict parenting. our correspondent has o more for the story. reportrt: at the moment parents and carers are led to use reasonable physical force to discipne their children. this bill will m mn that smacking a child will become illegal in scotland no matter what the circumstances. it will give childreneche same proton as adults. in 2002, an attempt to ban smacking in scotland proved so controversial it had to be abandoned. not this time around, though. campaigners belie it will make a real difference in protecting children. what this law does is make it clear that physical punishment is not a

of course pence knew about it. you think trump kept this a secret the guy can't keep his mouth shut about anything. he probably ran over to pence's office immediately to tell him about it, just like a kid who figured out how to type "boobs" on a calculator. [ laughter and applause "mike, mike, look. do you see, mike mike mike mike mike [ laughter ] do you see?" [ laughter ] so, obviously, pence knew what was going on just like trump's secretary of state mike pompeo, who was on this call and his attorney general bill barr, who was named repeatedly during the call so now, because they're all implicated and because they have no defense, they're just threatening to block the impeachment inquiry altogether trump's calling it a treasonous coup, and rudy giuliani is actually threatening to sue congress for following the impeachment procedure laid out by the founders in the constitution and if you're wondering just how serious this lawsuit is, here's a real text message exchange rudy had with a reporter for "the atlantic,"

pence's opinion? go for it. >> when you hold the second highest office in the land, it comes with unique responsibilities, not just to be above impropriety but to be above the appearance of impropriety. clearly in this case there are legitimate questions that ought to be asked. >> hmm. when vice president pence said legitimate questions that ought to be asked, he was essentially parroting and defending the president's unfounded and debunked conspiracy theories about joe biden, even as the vice president has become the latest high-profile administration figure to become embroiled in the scandal. "the washington post" reported last night that pence was involved in trump's alleged efforts to pressure ukraine. aides to pence said he had either not known or not understood what the president was allegedly doing when he asked the president of ukraine for a favor. but there he was today, in arizona, telling reporters that the president did nothing wrong in that call. as this scandal continues to hang over the

k we looat thee rke pence plays in the turbulent trump administration. laura: scotland has become the first nation in the u.k. to ml e it a crimifense for parents to smack their children. across the rest of theac u.k., parents are still allowed to use what is called reasonable physical force. smacking has been outlawed in many countries around the world, but it remains a controversial issue even in scotland, with critics arguing that the rules risk criminalizing good and strict parenting. our correspondent has more for uspon the story. er: at the moment parents and carers are led to use reasonablehysical force to discipline their children. this bill will mean that smacking a child will become illegal in scotland no matter what the circumstances. it will give children the same protec protin 2002, an attempt to ban smacking in stland proved so controversial it had to be abandoned. e t this time around, though. campaigners beli will make a reale difference in protectig children. >> what this law does is make it clear that physical punishment is not acceptab

tom malenko is the author of "piety & power: mike pence." knowing mike pence the way you do, how involved do you think he is or how much does he know between what may have transpired between the president and ukraine? >> i think the vice president is in a fundamentally different place here than he was during the trump russia investigation and the mueller probe. the first hint you got of that was a week and a half ago when trump said, at the u.n. press conference, maybe we ought to hear mike pence's tapes. that only escalated this last week when the "washington post" revealed even more of how he's exposed if all this. there are a lot of questions still out there. obviously that's why the house democrats issued that subpoena just a few days away. how exposed is he here? that is the key question and we're still waiting to find out. >> you sent out a tweet earlier saying to people, don't underestimate mike pence. tweeting this, if you didn't read the july 25th call readout, possibly it was because he knew it could contain trouble. again, one key

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, mike pence is involved in the same cabal which is using u.s. foreign policies to get dirt on rivals. this one particular incident in fact involving the president of ukraine. that's a little odd to inaugurate swearing in a president. >> and remember secretary of state mike pompeo, what is he fifth in the line of secession, so the question is can donald trump go down without taking everyone around him down? >> well, they will go with him. they'd go with him. >> a sinking ship creates this gigantic whirl pool -- >> are they all like minded? i used to think enablers but i get the feeling it seems like these people are not in a sidecar but they're riding with him. you know, they're riding with him in common thought and purpose. pompeo seems to be a trumpian, so does barr, seems to be a trumpian. the vice president i thought was keeping his distance, but he's been pulled in. are they like seeking gentlemen or basically people kissing up to get what they want to get politically? >> based on my reporting, chris, they're not in ideological lock step wit

he's obviously been saying as well the pence as we're. also something that requires merit but at the end of the day to follow really what president trump has been saying about the kurds in recent days their long term allies of the united states has been very difficult on the one hand he's being sort of saying that you know they're essentially in the same kind of terrorists and let's not forget that the importance of the kurds for the united states up until the past few days so once again there has been a lot of criticism coming from all sides here in the united states for president because it's been essentially very hard to follow what his thoughts are really on the whole situation i think it's an understatement it's also in washington. is to belgium and thank you. well here in europe britain and the european union have reached a new deal on the u.k.'s withdrawal from the european union leaders e.u. leaders unanimously backed the agreement today european council president double tusk says that it will avoid chaos in conflict now the agree

the vice president of the united states, pence, is talking about the whistle-blower complaint. >> security, prosperity, infrastructure, the usmca, lowering drug prices, and whatever they want to fight about in washington, d.c. i promise you, we will keep fighting for the issues that matter most of the mega people. report and do you have a take away from this today's meeting? >> i think it's how proud the hispanic-american community is. here in arizona, in this country. when you look at the growth and the prosperity that has happened since 2016, in the state of arizona, and you understand the role that hispanic-americans displayed in that, it was a real cause for celebration today. we are going to take this whole month, hispanic heritage month, to talk about the incredible cultural contributions, community contributions, and economic contributions that hispanic-americans make every day. my big message was, as we see an economy that has created 6.3 million new jobs, it's been hispanic-americans, hispanic small businesses, hispanic entrepreneurs, driving that economic renaissance. there is a

shannon: there has been talk about how much did mike pence know about this? they say he was unaware of any attempt to leverage anything involving the bidens with his name is thrown into the mix. >> certainly. it will be bandied about, there will be questions from the press and congress. charlie is right that mike pence has been a huge supporter of donald trump and i don't think he's going to change that in the course of this investigation. shannon: you will love this story, stick around. they were barreling down a dark highway at 4:30 a.m. when a deputy pulled them over to find out this couple was about to have a baby. people tell stories like this, then he saw the baby entering the world, the deputy called for an audience, grab gloves, delivered a baby girl just minutes later. to the new parents that fast acting deputy, you are our midnight hero and the question is going to be was there any ticket? we saw the paperwork, he gave extenuating circumstances and how this ended up there was no ticket issued. mom and baby doing well, healthy and safe. for bringing

vice president pence he's due to arrive today. well vice president pence is facing a very tough sell the president has been very clear that there will be no stepping back in this operation and that's why because one says his operation is all about guaranteeing the safety and ultimately the future of turkey and in many ways president one has put his reputation on the line in this operation at a time when he's very politically vulnerable maybe the most vulnerable he has been in more than 15 years in power because there is mounting discontent in the country over the presence of over 3 and a half 1000000 syrian refugees and a key part of this operation is to ultimately return between one and 2000000 refugees that's why turkey nice expand this operation create this 500 kilometer long 30 kilometer deep safe zone as to allow the return of these refugees now mike pence how have to some way address turkish concerns before taking even consider any kind of cease fire or any of the operation. what kind of leverage does my pans have does he. h

pence: mr. president, secretary esper, secretary pompeo, members of the cabinet, general dunford, distinguished guests, especially the men and women of the armed forces of the united states, it is an honor to be here at america's post, the home of the oldest active-duty infantry unit in the army, the old guard. joint base meyer henderson hall. as we install the 20th chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark a. milley. [applause] today as weence: mark the beginning of general , we do well to pay a debt of gratitude to a man who has served this nation with distinction for 42 years. he led troops in battle during operation iraqi freedom, served as commandant of the marine corps, and over the past five years, i can personally attest, during her tenure, i have witnessed his strong leadership and sound counsel at the highest levels of our military and our government. today, we pay a debt of gratitude to general joseph dunford. thank you for your service. thank you for being always faithful.

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vice president pence and secretaries take pompeo that the u.s. and turkey have agreed to a cease-fire. joining me is donna brazile. stephen, the senate leadership fund. harris faulkner had a first hour of breaking news. the vice president and secretary of state left last night. they went there to tell erdogan the president is serious and if we can't figure out out a way to do a cease-fire. they have 120 hours to get people out of harm's way hopefully. >> it's a good move because this was an unmitigated disaster,

vice president mike pence has been meeting turkey's president in an attempt to hope that offensive the united states has had had announced that ankara would face additional economic sanctions if it didn't refrain from its attack on kurdish forces it was a big draw all of us troops are from the region that opened the way for turkish incursion in the 1st place president trump has been accused of abandoning the kurdish fighters who were washington's allies in the campaign against the so-called islamic state. 3. so i see where we are then in turkey and the us that the doubly correspondent story and jones and alexandra from naaman join us from istanbul and washington welcome both and start with you in istanbul dorrit any news from the meeting. well the meeting between vice president mike pence and turkish president reject type one has concluded it lasted for over an hour but reporters invited in after the meeting of the company my pence he refused to take questions particularly has to touch president agree to these calls for a cease fire so it does suggest that there doesn't appear to be re

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