state department officials available for questioning. three house chairman are warning to stop intimidating witnesses and informing the deputy that pompeo, coat, appears to have a conflict of interest. >> but despite pompeo's efforts to keep him from talking, two diplomats have agreed starting tomorrow. what is it they want to say and how hard will pompeo fight on this? we could know in just minutes. the secretary of state holds a news conference in italy shortly. we will bring that to you live. house speak will brief on later this morning. language has reached unprecedented levels, he will hold a news conference this afternoon. let's began, though, on capitol hill where this fight is centered at this moment with who and who will not be coming to speak to them soon. cnn's suzanne malveaux there. >> reporter: good morning. secretary pompeo is currently overseas in italy but he and his state department are the focal point for those leading this impeachment inquiry. mia mike pompeo trying to block officials from his department of talking to

and foreign policy more broadly at the state department. we encourage the public to see the great exhibits on the history of diplomacy, and current conversations happening as well. >> you gave me a good idea. we will follow-up more specifically on some of those activities and initiatives. i mentionedthe gec, to the tech demos. we hold them just about every other week at the wew looked near the location white house. if people have an interest in those. >> we have a question? you had your hand up before. >> my name is david jackson, a former director of voice of america, but also have the opportunity to work with the state department after that. one of the things i remember, i was very impressed by the public diplomacy people at state at that time, but i also got the impression p.d. what sort of a second-class citizen in those days. to finally get-- the attention and focus on p.s. that was lacking -- p.d. that was lacking in the past? >> i will start and turn over to my foreign service colleagues. in my year and a half at the state department

state department. it was the pompeo letter to the then after that, and only after that, came the inspector general's urgent request. then the other letter i was reporting on from the three chairmen, that came after the pompeo letter denied the access to the witnesses and the documents. . listen to what he said when he was asked last week. let's listen to the way he reacted to questions about that last week. >> you just gave me a report, none of which i've seen. >> i haven't had a chance to actually read the whistleblower complaint yet. i read the full i'll ultimately get a chance to see it. >> now you know what mike pompeo is like when he's not telling the truth. listen to what he said today when asked about this. >> mr. secretary, do you have any comments on? dwrufr live. >> senator mccaskill, the new technique for mike pompeo is to turn and walk in the other direction. >> his business is not clearly going to be mark .pay o'. if he was doing what trump said to him him to do. ez. by not admitting in th

it's not donald trump's state department. it is our state department. today pompeo pushed back on house democrats demand to interview key state department officials as early as this week calling it an act of intimidation. but his efforts to stone wall the impeachment inquiry are already crumbling. just a few hours ago we learned the former special envoy to ukraine will testify in the impeachment inquiry on thursday two days from now. he resigned his post. he's nout alone. the former ambassador to ukraine, the woman who trump seemed to threaten menacingly in his conversation with the ukrainian president will also testify before the house committees next week. mike pompeo coming out today and telling house democrats the state department will not show up for impeachment hearings because we now know mike pompeo was reportedly on that same ukraine call with president zelensky. but remember this is how he reacted when asked about it exactly a week ago. >> "the wall street journal" is reporting that president trump pressed the president of ukraine eight times

state department as that's been reported to us. they said that the state department wouldn't be able to be present. has your committee contacted the state department employees directly and told them not to contact legal counsel. >> they absolutely have legal counsel and secretary com ppomp had a legal counsel and he was on the ukraine phone call and now he says he was on the call. he's in hot water. >> i don't know that he was denying it. he just gave a sort of strange answer to martha raddatz where he pivoted and talked about something else. i hadn't heard him deny that he was on that phone call. >> well, that's fair. he wasn't forthcoming. he was asked a clear question. he wasn't forthcoming. now he is saying that he was on the phone call. he hasn't given the american people an explanation about why he hasn't taken any action after that phone call, why he didn't try to alert congress and say something was wrong. we have to get back to the basic facts which is that the president tried to get dirt from a political opponent from a f

state department is now going through some things. we're starting to realize she may have been the wrong person to mess with, though, at least the way she comported herself. god forbid you or i ever find ourselves in this kind of circumstance with this kind of pressure on us, with this kind of incredible power, a raid against us and with stakes this high, right? but if it happens to any of us, really the most you could hope for from yourself is that you would have the stones and the dignity to be one-tenth as brave and sort of righteous at marie was in this circumstance today. she still works for the u.s. state department, even though they fired her at the ambassador to ukraine. we learned only today that once again in the dead of night the state department apparently on orders from the white house phoned her up in the middle of the night and told her they wouldn't allow her to testify this morning. she was prohibited from showing up and talking to congress today. well, we also learned that in anticipation of that act from the white h

department of state. my counter part at the fbi's washington's field office arranged for me to come down and meet with him and another agent. they said robert, this is a catalog of russian diplomats coming to visit the state department. >> most of them were diplomats had been in the ministry of foreign affairs but a fraction of the diplomats were spies, intelligence officers serving under diplomatic cover. they are trained in all the trade craft of recruiting people, detecting, evading surveillance, planting bugs. >> he says, they are coming in numbers in frequency. the likes we've never seen before. and to him, that suggested something was a foot. >> you didn't have to be a rocket scientists to see that something was going on. i mean, they were there all the time. they were in and out of the place. >> typically russian diplomats visit the state department to work on common issues like reducing nuclear stockpiles, but the goal of a russian intelligence officer is different. they are not concerned about di

state department. the state department will intervene and try to prevent other documents from going forward, but he did say he would, and he does intend to appear next week because he has been served with a subpoena to appear next week, so perhaps that's one reason why. we were also told this morning that he had yet to get guidance from the state department about whether he can appear despite having that subpoena. we have seen other administration officials, despite facing a subpoena, listen to the white house and not comply with the congressional subpoena. we'll see if that changes in any way. the circumstances of today of yovonavitch's testimony, a bit unclear. while she was a former ambassador, she's a current state employee, and as of early this morning, she had not indicated yet whether or not the department tried to interfere with her testimony in any way. that's something we'll have to clarify in the coming hours, boris. >> manu, we know you'll keep an eyen eye on her testimony. and give us deta

it's not donald trump's state department. it is our state department. today pompeo pushed back on house democrats demand to interview key state department officials as early as this week calling it an act of intimidation. but his efforts to stone wall the impeachment inquiry are already crumbling. just a few hours ago we learned the former special envoy to ukraine will testify in the impeachment inquiry on thursday two days from now. he resigned his post. he's nout alone. the former ambassador to ukraine, the woman who trump seemed to threaten menacingly in his conversation with the ukrainian president will also testify before the house committees next week. mike pompeo coming out today and telling house democrats the state department will not show up for impeachment hearings sh because we now know mike pompeo was reportedly on that same ukraine call with president zelensky. but remember this is how he reacted when asked about it exactly a week ago. >> "the wall street journal" is reporting that president trump pressed the president of ukraine eight tim

there have been efforts by the state department, by secretary of state mike pompeo to block former officials and current officials from the state department from being deposed in this inquiry. volker is going ahead. that may have something to do with the fact he is no longer working at the state department and they, therefore, don't have quite as much learn over him. that's tomorrow. also tomorrow interestingly, ambassador jon huntsman will be returning to utah from his posting in russia. huntsman was the u.s. ambassador to russia under president trump until he submitted his resignation letter in august. that resignation is effective tomorrow. the exact reason why he resigned and the timing of it all remains somewhat of an open and interesting question. i have to tell you, though, i have a beat on a good source. i'm going to be on "the view" tomorrow, his daughter is one of the hosts of the view. do not tell her i want to ask her about that. that's tomorrow at 11:00 eastern time. that does it for us. i'll see you tomorrow. now it's time for the last word is lawrence o'donnell. good evening,

it's news from the state department. late this afternoon, there was an unexpected announcement from a number of committees in congress that they had been alerted by the long-time inspector general from the state department that he believed he needed to come talk to them immediately. the inspector general of the state department. it's a man named steve linick. he's been there for several years, long before the trump administration came into office. he's been a long time in that job. and today, we think without warning, he told a bunch of key committees in both the house and the senate that he needs to come see them immediately, tomorrow, because he needs to show them some documents that they need to see. multiple congressional sources telling nbc news that the inspector general reached out to congress with what the committees describe as a, quote, urgent request to brief the committees about documents related to the state department and ukraine. now, there are of course impeachment proceedings under way against the presid

from the bureau of educational cultural affairs at the state department. with that critical element of the people to people exchanges as the secretary was saying in the increasingly digital world with real-world interaction and people to people interaction and trying to split people apart and then to bring people back together to establishto relationships and to build human networks in the united states and overseas president trumps national security strategy is very clear to create the networks of current political civil society of educational leaders i would like to highlight three elements first they are effective with those alumni around the world and in fact the assistant secretary is in thailand today for a meeting of the young southeast asia initiative program bringing leaders from all over southeast asia to work together and to talk about the future. second, and then adaptable with the new threats and priorities and we are optimizing our resources looking at cost efficient virtual exchanges and how that can assist in other operations with the merge

there have been efforts by the state department, by secretary of state mike pompeo to block former officials and current officials from the state department from being deposed in this inquiry. volker is going ahead. that may have something to do with the fact he is no longer working at the state department and they, therefore, don't have quite as much leverage over him. that's tomorrow. also tomorrow interestingly, ambassador jon huntsman will be returning to utah from his posting in russia. huntsman was the u.s. ambassador to russia under president trump until he submitted his to russia under president trump until he submitted his resignation letter in august. that resignation is effective tomorrow. the exact reason why he resigned and the timing of it all remains somewhat of an open and interesting question. i have to tell you, though, i have a beat on a good source. i'm going to be on "the view" tomorrow, his daughter is one of the hosts of the view. do not tell her i want to ask her about that. that's tomorrow at 11:00 eastern time. that does it for us. i'll see you tomorrow. now it's ti

the state department. sondland was set to answer questions over his role in president trump's dealings with ukraine, including trading a white house visit for an investigation into the bidens. >> we'll hear from congressional democrats in just a few minutes on this as we wait for that, let's go to capitol hill. our cnn national correspondent suzanne malveaux joins us. the question becomes, once again, blocked for information by this white house, what are democrats going to do? will they move to hold the administration members in contempt? >> and they certainly could. that's a very good point. right now they're just trying to get over the stunning impact of all of this. quite a surprise with less than an hour, you had staffers, members who had already been gathering, preparing for weeks, negotiations for this all day affair, this closed door session. this coming from the attorney robert luskin saying ambassador sondland is profoundly disappointed he'll not be able to testify today. ambassador sondland trave

the state department has requested 5 total former or current state department employees testify. volker is the only one left in the state department left. maria works for the state department so it's unclear what the state department is going to tell her whether she can appear and if she will comply with that. shepard. >> rich live at state. now to john roberts reporting live at the white house. >> shep we are learning more about that text message exchange between sondlin. this was an encrypted end to end text message stream given to the house intelligence committee. in that exchange on september 9th bill >> a source familiar with the conversation tells fox news in that 4 and a half hour gap sondlin called president trump to speak with him about aid to the ukraine. when told the aid was being withheld for political reasons sondlin became concerned but was not aware of connections with rudy giuliani and ukranian officials. the source says president trump responded said he didn't want anything in return that there was no quit quid pro quo n. that text message sent after the convers

department and state department, the secretary of state, the inspector general, the general counsel all spending time on this -- >> well, also the -- >> if it's frivolous information, that shows that the institution of the state department is being manipulated for political purposes. >> it's quite clear also that the secretary of state is not an institutionalist and not aligned with the personnel of the state department in terms of protecting them, though he said he's trying to protect them from bullies in congress. he certainly has not been protecting the u.s. ambassador to ukraine. elliot, i think giuliani was on lou dobbs earlier tonight, and i'm told he referred to himself and attorney general barr in tandem saying, quote, they're going after both of his attorneys, meaning the president's attorneys. they're going after barr, who is his government attorney, and they're going after me, who is his private attorney. barr is not the president's attorney. he's not supposed to be. >> and the problem here is as much with how the president regards the role of attorney general and who all

department employees and as you know the white house and state department has taken steps to deny access and testimony to what they view is invalid impeachment inquirienquiries. a lot of questions what she's saying behind closed doors but we sgect to continue at least several more hours. >> thank you, manu. keep your ear to that door and meantime let's discuss. cnn legal analyst and former new jersey attorney general and an investigative reporter for "times" and a cnn national security reporter. kylie, begin with you over at the state department, because state is really getting this one-two punch today because you have yovanovitch, we ran how she's hitting back hard at this president while you also have senior adviser to state department secretary mike pompeo quitting because he felt the secretary did not express enough public support for state officials caught up in all of these ukraine investigations. i have to ask you, what is the mood like over at the state department today? >> folks are clearly angry and frustrated but the thing here, brooke is that they're no longer staying at the

department employees. >> as a result of that, state department official tells us there's a state department negotiating team on capitol hill today to discuss this. two officials scheduled to appear over the next week and a half, and faster kurt volker, he was the ambassador to ukraine. he was the one rudy giuliani waived the text on tv and tweeted them out. he resigned friday. the other is former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. she was dismissed earlier. she still an employee of the department. >> shepard: rich edson, thank you. congress technically on a two-week break but as you can see there's plenty of action on capitol hill with meetings, news conferences, a whole lot behind the scenes. mike emanuel. we heard from the house speaker nancy pelosi and the house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff, new nicknames. >> that's right. speaker nancy pelosi emphasized her belief that president trump is not obeying the constitution. >> they put guardrails in the constitution because they knew there might be someone who would overplay his or her power. they never thought we would have a presiden

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state department officials. this is deeply unfair to the officers that serve under me. it's wrong. i can't comment on what they're saying because i have not been permitted to either have a lawyer present or to see the recorded transcripts or the translations of what was said. i can't comment on what people may or may not be saying in that room frankly, you can't either. you weren't there either, george. >> i've read the reports and we've seen the testimony. >> you've seen leaked reporting from democrats. that's right, george. >> some of the testimony has been released by the witnesses themselves and of course the state department is not complying with some of the subpoenas for documents as well. and we do know that so much -- and this is by his own admission -- that so much of this activity was being carried out by the president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. was he acting with your blessing and supervision? >> george, i've had one consistent policy as the secretary of state to not talk about internal deliber

but the state department has thus far refused. and were it not for the fact that at least some witnesses have given us documents we would not know that there is a paper record of efforts to condition this meeting and perhaps condition military support itself on these political investigations donald trump wanted. those documents would have been completely bottled up by the state department. we know from the witnesses who have come forward that there are additional documents that they have provided the state department that have not been given to congress. and so the evidence of obstruction of congress continues to mount. today was the deadline for the office of management and budget. and the deadline for the pentagon to provide us documents. the secretary of defense on sunday stated that he would comply with the congressional subpoenas. well, apparently his willingness to comply has now been countermanded by a higher authority. we must presume that the president of the united states has instructed the defense department not to comp

and bullying state department officials. he said his officials would not have time to prepare that all of this related to the whistle-blower complaint accusing the president of pressing ukraine's president over joe biden or his son. there's no evidence of wrongdoing by joe or his son. kylie atwood has more on these latest developments. >> good morning, christine and dave. they will be meeting with them today. we don't know many specifics of what they're going discuss but the inspector general according to an aide on the hill said they were coming because they had received documents from the legal adviser at the state department. now, we should note that the congressional aide also described this request to me as highly unusual, really not laying out many details of what the inspector general wanted to talk to congress about. but it came just an hour after secretary pompeo called out house democrats for what he said was bullying state department officials. he said that they weren't following procedure that would be traditiona

counsel from the state department. so pompeo there frustrated that congress is trying to cut out the executive branch of their conversations with current state department officials. >> it's also a little rich that secretary of state mike pompeo is accusing those investigating the whistle-blower dplacomplains bullies and intimidating when it's the president of the united states who was bullying and saying terrible things about the ambassador to -- the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, a career foreign service officer, who secretary of state pompeo -- i mean he has not defended the career foreign service officers in the state department really much at all. >> no, he hasn't. i mean he has not taken any opportunity to defend that ambassador who you just referenced. that's the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, who was recalled early. she wasn't supposed to come back and folks on the hill called it a political hit job, said that the trump administration was trying to get her out. pompeo didn't come to her defense. she is a career

an article from politico recently stated that, "john sullivan is winning over state department employees. so far, sullivan has shown a fluency with -- a fluency with diplomacy. " crucial ingredients to leading the mission to russia. in a wall street journal op-ed by ambassador thomas pickering, he said of secretary sullivan, i have come to respect john sullivan's judgment, his balance, his good sense, his open-minded approach to how to deal with foreign relations problems we may have. you may have seen a letter of former diplomats, security officials, secretaries of defense, and other positions were all endorsing secretary sullivan's ambassadorship to russia. to the newes position he has been nominated, twourrently leads the only dialogues on strategic security. he has played a key role relating to the u.s.-russia relation ship over the past two years. at a time when u.s.-russian relations are more complex and strained than ever, it is important to find some like john as america's top diplomat. i had the honor of introducing the ambassador to saudi arabia to this committee. while there i

state department's requests. and the european council president has warned the british prime minister not to play a stupid blame game over there are reports of british media that germany's leader had told boris johnson a deal is unlikely. brazil's president says an oil spill polluting northeastern beaches for more than a month is not of brazilian origin gyroball sonera says it could be the result of criminal activity or a shipwreck in an indication of the extent of the damage. it's collected a $133.00 tons of oil from the beaches several more. this is what an oil spill last month has done to this once pristine coastline along brazil's northeastern region 1500 kilometers of fix sticky mess that's damaging the environment at least 42 coastal cities have been affected president diable scenario says an investigation to find out the cause is still underway by the state run oil company petro brass bazzi stop short of naming a country he believes is responsible for the spill instead indicating it could be the result of

it's news from the state department. late this afternoon, there was an unexpected announcement from a number of committees in congress that they had been alerted by the long time inspector general from the state department that he believed he needed to come talk to them immediately. the inspector general of the state department. it's a man named steve linnick. he's been there several years, long before the trump administration came into office. today, we think without warning, he told a bunch of key committees in both the house and the senate that he needs to come see them immediately, tomorrow, because he needs to show them some documents that they need to see. multiple congressional sources telling nbc news that the inspector general reached out to congress with what the committees describe as a, quote, urgent request to brief the committees about documents related to the state department and ukraine. now, there are of course impeachment proceedings under way against the president right now having to do with his own in

kelly ayotte joins us, any more intel from the state department itself? >> yeah, the state department has remained largely silent this morning and throughout the last few weeks. i think it's important to note that this news came to us from ambassador sondland's personal lawyer. i just want to read the news that broke that he was being prevented from going forth from his deposition on the hill. it said from his attorney, ambassador sondland is profoundly disappointed that he will not be able to testify today. ambassador sondland traveled to washington from brussels, in order to prepare for this testimony, and to be available to answer the committee's questions. arrangements had already been made regarding the logistics of his testimony. ambassador sondland believes strongly that he acted at all times in the best interests of the united states, and he stands ready to answer the committee's questions fully and truthfully. so, poppy, we can receive some sort of indication last week from secretary pompeo that this be coming. he wrote a letter to the hill sayin

he has taken the state department and turned it into the plumbers with the american state department with the american foreign officials who have behind them the american of the state and all its power. >> the state department hasn't been entirely gutted. there is an entire building of people. >> and i don't want to cast aspir aspersi aspersions, and we see it in mar yovanovitch because she did. >> she got booted because she was doing her job and acting within the confines of the law. >> right >> we don't actually see enormous -- people think about deep state hashtag resistance coming out of the state department. we see people being pushed out for doing their jobs and the normal order of things and the law. >> then today china. i just want to go to this, quickly. he does it in front of us and with china. we know the trade talks are coming, we know the trade war hangs over this. so we know two things. during a phone call on the 18th, trump has already raised biden's political prospects as well as those centered on elizabeth warren who started to rise in the polls and that the call is

department, although we have requested those from the ambassador and the state department is withholding those messages as well. deeplyessages are also relevant to this investigation and the impeachment inquiry. just explained for the public, the significance of this witness and the significance of the decision by the secretary of state and president or president or bolt to withhold this key witnesses testimony today. we know from the text messages that the ambassador was in discussion with ukraine counterparts, with fellow diplomatic personnel, and the president, as well as at least one u.s. senator about the course of events we are investigating. we know from those messages it raised a concern with him that military assistance was being withheld. to secure help from ukraine and the president's reelection campaign. why military assistance was being withheld. we know he was a key player in efforts to obtain commitments aom ukraine to investigate bogus conspiracy theory about the 2016 election as well as joe biden and his son. that the ambassador has relevant evidence on whether the meeti

he was trying to get as close to state department as possible. so i started shopping that 30-minute video of gusev asking for help. i said, hey, i have a guy on a park bench who looks like he's doing something technical. i think there might be radio frequencies involved. and do we have equipment that's portable to just do basically a survey of what radio frequencies are there when he's there? and then what's there when he's not there? do the overlay and eliminate the common frequencies and only be left with ones that are there only when he's there. and that would be him. i get a call from my headquarters program manager. hires' the name and number of a guy that you need. >> who was the guy? >> it was somebody within the intelligence community, but i'm not at liberty to say. and after a week, the guy who gave me the equipment, he identified one specific frequency, an unauthorized signal that came on and then went off with gusev's coming and going. it appeared to be gusev's rogue frequency. at this point we need to know where it's coming from, if t

the state department. it's not as if the inspector general is operating on its own here. it had interactions with the state department before in request went forth. and it's also noteworthy that it came to congress an hour after secretary pompeo sent a letter to congress alleging that these depositions leading up to the requests for depositions of five current and former state department officials amounted to bullying and intimidating state department officials. we'll have to see how it plays out and how this new information impacts the impeachment inquiry. >> and secretary pompeo essentially seems to be playing for time or making the argument this is happening too fast, that they need more time in order to figure out how to comply or not. >> yeah, that's what he said. but he didn't actually say that we're just going to pick new dates and this is going to happen. he said that they want to review some of the legal and procedural questions that he had. i also think it's highly important, some of the question

department and one who is still a state department career foreign service officer, a career diplomat? >> i have no idea. all we want to hear from them is the truth as they see it. we don't tell them what to say or hint at what to say. that's what's so disturbing about this administration, they're afraid to let people come in and speak the truth. they're afraid to come and just speak the truth. they're afraid to do what's necessary in this great democracy of ours. instead the president levels personal insults at members of congress and other people. that's not the america we all know and love, and i think it's a sgldisgrace. >> mr. chairman, thanks so much for coming in. >> thank you, wolf. >>> the breaking news continues next with more on president trump's furious attacks on the man driving the impeachment inquiry, congressman adam schiff, including the president's unfounded accusation that schiff wrote the whistle-blower report. n't it nip things simple? well, now you can get the samsung galaxy s10 for $0 a month at sprint. see what i mean? simple. for people with hearing loss, visi

from senator clinton and to release a report from the state department to finalize their administrative review with those hundreds of security violations. that review found five things first 91 invalid securityif violations with those 38 individuals. that means 30 individuals mishandled classifiedun information and were punished and that included suspension and revocation of security clearance and suspension without pay or termination among other forms of punishment. an additional 497 violations wereif identified and the state department was unable to determine who was culpable. the state department identify the culpability and all because secretary clinton kept her server secret from governmental officials so it was impossible to monitor security protocol in real time. with a five and nine year gap from the state department tenure and when she finally turns over the e-mails which she refused to do. and it makes it very challenging for every violation of regulation in law and from classification. in total secretary clinton's use ofgo nongovernment server for government business cause 58

state department's request not to testify text messages provided to congress last week showed some lund is a central figure in allegations trump tried to pressure ukraine to investigate his democratic rival house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff says the state department is withholding important information provided by some band. we are also aware that the investor has text messages or e-mails on a personal device which have been provided to the state of our apartment although we have requested those from the vaster and the state department is withholding those messages as well. those messages are also deeply relevant to this investigation and the impeachment inquiry what kind of joins us live from washington d.c. mike explain to us how this can happen how can someone be blocked from testifying well that had been discussed between the congregational committee and state department about his appearance and according to the chair of the intelligence committee there had been disagreement but it had all been resolved they thought 'd that state department had given the go ahead the

department, reducing the -- trying to reduce the budget of the state department. as you know, just in the last 24 hours we've learned that 150 currently serving state department and retired officers are now being said that they were involved in security violations on the clinton e-mail problem going back to 2011, '12 and '13. if you're in the state department and you have all this incoming barrage from the president and the white house, i think you'd feel paranoid, too, that the commander in chief is not leading the men and women of the state department. that's what mike pompeo has to stand up against. >> ambassador nicholas burns, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> just ahead, well tell you what one said about bill clinton and what they said about president trump. . when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong. (gasps ai got in!s) yes! woah! oh yes yes yes yes! to start a college savings plan, find an advisor at massmutual.com ♪ did you know you can save money by using dish soap to clean grease on more than dishes? try dawn ultra. dawn is for mo

here's what a source is telling cnn, that the state department realizes that since volker resigned last week, they can't block him from testifying. but the news of tomorrow's briefing, which was described as highly unusual and cryptically worded, comes as the battle is raging between the secretary of state mike pompeo and house democrats. the chair of the house intel, foreign affairs, and oversight telling pompeo tonight that any effort to prevent five state department officials from speaking to them is, quote, illegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry. that in response to pompeo accusing democrats of attempting to bully and intimidate those officials. and tonight congress is letting secretary pompeo know exactly what they think of that. pompeo just one of all the president's men caught up in ukraine and the impeachment inquiry. remember he was actually listening in on the president's infamous ukraine call and then dodged questions about the whistle-blower's complaint when he, himself, was a witness to the call in realtime. >> what do you know about

the senate foreign relations committee has jurisdiction over the state department. senator chris murphy is a member of that committee. senator murphy will join us with his reaction to mike pompeo's sudden admission about the phone call after mike pompeo publicly pretended for a week that he knew nothing about it. senator murphy will be a juror in the impeachment trial of donald j. trump in the united states senate if the house impeaches the president. senator murphy also might be a witness because senator murphy had his own conversation with the president of ukraine and other ukrainian officials about the pressure that donald trump put on ukraine. and as donald trump fights for his life, he doesn't seem to have the energy or the focus or possibly even the awareness to fight the republicans. yes, the republicans in congress who are doing and saying things that donald trump does not like. donald trump appeared not to know today that republican senator chuck grassley came out yesterday in defense of the whistle-blower, a strong defense, and specifically criticized what

is there another whistleblower inside the state department? but what's very clear is this inspector general is taking his independence very seriously, and he's bringing forward things that we may not have heard of before into this conversation. >> and evelyn, this inspector general to fill out his bio that senator mccaskill began, he was appointed by president obama, so that will provoke trump world into thinking oh, he's biased. he is the inspector general who supervised the report on hillary clinton's email that actually was highly critical of hillary clinton's use of email at the state department, said that she in fact did not comply with the federal records act, found that violation very, very clearly in his report about her email. so, that's the last big moment that we heard from this inspector general in 2016. >> right. and lawrence, i think it's interesting because whatever he's bringing forward, i think it's not only different but it probably pertains to the secretary of state if not the president himself. why do i say this? because i

department and state department the secretary of state, the inspector general, the general counsel all spending time on this if it's frivolous information, that shows that the institution of the state department is being manipulated for political purposes. >> it's clear also that the secretary of state is not an institutionalist and not aligned with the personnel of the state department in terms of protecting them. he said he is trying to protect them from bullies in congress. he has not been protecting the u.s. am bbassador to ukraine. i think ghouliuliani was on lou dobbs on tonight. he said, quote, they are going after both of his attorneys, the president's attorneys, they are going after barr, his government attorney and me, who is his private attorney. barr is not the president's attorney. he is not supposed to be. >> the problem is as much with how the president regards the role of attorney general and who all these people are who happen to have law degrees but are serving the president. barr is not the president's attorney. i think that's a big misunderstanding as to how the rol

department employees, he was ordered to not testify by the state department. he was then subpoenaed. he did it. he is also the current chief of mission appointed by the trump administration to runte the embassy in kiev at this moment evenv as the white house puts t a statement calling him a radical bureaucrat. >> that's kwun of tone of the r things. some of these witnesses are serving in the role they're testifying about over the objection of thebo secretary of state and the existence of this cable that we've talked about points to the fact that the state department itself has actually blocked a lot of documents and primary source evidence from the committee, from the impeachment investigators that these witnesses actually want. gordon sondland himself wants some of his notes and documents to gette to congress and he can get them there. so it shows you the sort of split that's happening in real-time within the state department. >> that's a good point. thank you both very much. >>>an next, a requium, no quid o quo has justiu been decimated. the massive politica

second, an additional 497 valid violations were identified, however, the state department was unable to determine who was culpable. state department was unable to identify culpability because some former department employees didn't sit for interviews or because secretary clinton kept her server secret from government officials so it was impossible for the department to monitor security protocol in real-time. the review also noted that there was a five to nine-year gap between beginning of secretary clinton's state department tenure when the security incidents began and when she finally turned over the e-mails, which she initially refused to do. this many year's long gap made it very challenging to determine who was culpable for every violation of regulation and law covering national security issues and the need for classification. in total, secretary clinton's use of non-government server for government business caused 588 security violations for mishandling classified information. some of that classified information was classified at the very highest levels, including top secret, sp

we are not allowed to have state department lawyers in the room, that is deeply troubling. my understanding is every individual had the same ukrainian policy that president trump had. this is ukraine policy that wanted to provide weapon systems, we did that. this is ukraine policy that wanted to ensure mr. zelensky had resources to push back against corruption we know existed in ukraine. i think the policy every one of my officials was trying to achieve is same one president trump and i were trying to get the outcome on. >> martha: you were on the call, was there anything that was on the call that pointed to a quid quo pro? >> sec. of state pompeo: the call was consistent with what i long said conversation with president trump on our policy for awfully long time. part of this administration from the beginning, the ci director and now secretary of state. our policy has been very clear all along with respect to ukraine. the president had real concerns the europeans weren't doing enough, we were -- >> martha: that part is understandable. the question about joe biden and invest

department is doing, mike pompeo saying that folks who want documents from the state department are bullying state department officials and he's going to be sort of the bodyguard in making -- sort of protect those people. so yeah, we've heard this from the president before. if you remember back to the mueller investigation, he would occasionally say oh, sure, i'll sit down but the lawyers don't want me to sit down. so i think this is probably what he's going to perhaps keep saying. that he's cooperate while also really tearing down schiff and the whistle-blower and tearing down democrats. >> bianna, the president said he respected whistle-blowers but they have to be, in his word, legitimate. what is your analysis of that. >> i don't know how to interpret that. we know his line is that the whistle-blower is not legitimate when the icig said the whistle-blower complaint was legitimate and the acting dni said the whistle-blower complaint was legitimate and members of intelligence committee that have just dissected the whistle-blower's complaint and said this is clearly somebody who is

here's what a source is telling cnn, that the state department realizes that since volker resigned last week, they can't block him from testifying. but the news of tomorrow's briefing, which was described as highly unusual and cryptically worded, comes as the battle is raging between the secretary of state mike pompeo and house democrats. the chair of the house intel, foreign affairs, and oversight telling pompeo tonight that any effort to prevent five state department officials from speaking to them is, quote, illegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry. that in response to pompeo accusing democrats of attempting to bully and intimidate those officials. and tonight congress is letting secretary pompeo know exactly what they think of that. pompeo just one of all the president's men caught up in ukraine and the impeachment inquiry. remember he was actually listening in on the president's infamous ukraine call and then dodged questions about the whistle-blower's complaint when he himself was a witness to the call in realtime. >> what do you know about th

from the state department from testifying. democrats warn, that would be obstruction. and here's abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. >> reporter: secretary of state mike pompeo, traveling in italy, dodged questions today about whether he was on the call that triggered an impeachment inquiry. >> mr. secretary, do you have any comment on reports you're on the july 25th call with president zelensky? >> reporter: in that call, president trump asked president zelensky of ukraine to, quote, "do us a favor" and investigate a debunked csponiry actheo about democrats. he also asked zelensky to investigate joe biden and his son, hunter.s withholding nearly $400 million in military aid to ukraine. the call was the focus of the whistle-blower complaint alleging abuse of power by the president. interview with abc news, secretary pompeo was evasive when asked about the call. >> what do you know about those conversations? >> so, you just gave me a report about a whistle-blower complaint, none of which i've seen. >> reporter:

department employees he was ordered plot to testify pie the state department, he was subpoenaed, he did it. he was also the chief mission appointed pie the trump administration to run the mission in kiev. >> some of these witnesses are actively serving in the roles they're testifying about over the objections of the secretary of state, and actually the existence of this cable that we talked about points to the fact that the state department itself has actually blocked a lot of of documents and primary sourced evidence from the committee, from the impeachment investigators that these witnesses actually want -- gordon sondland himself want these notes and documents to congress and he can't get them there. it shows you the split happening in realtime in the state department. >> thank you both very much. next, a rekuime for a talking point. the massive political in just two minutes. e massive political two minutes. ...colon cancer,to be exact. and i find it noninvasively... no need for time off or special prep. it all starts here... you collect your sample, and cologuard uses the dna in

the state department. house intelligence chair adam schiff is scheduled to respond to this move in just minutes. you're looking at live pictures. in the meantime, joining me is republican congressman adam kinzinger, a member of the house foreign affairs committee. the founder and co-chair of the house syria caucus. we've got a lot to talk about today. just so our audience is clear, you have criticized what the president said on the phone to the leader of ukraine. i want to get that out there. but the president and his defenders call the phone call perfect and say he has the absolute right to request an investigation of the bidens. if that's the case, why then block ambassador sondland's testimony? >> yeah, this is, obviously, all just happening so i don't have any rationale or reasoning. i typically believe whether it was president obama or president trump that you should do in front of congress what congress asks, unless there's a legitimate reason not to. that said, i think, look, the call was inappropri

in the possible depositions of state department employees. it is not totally normal for the secretary of state to want to, for example, influence the testimony of state department employees on a matter that the secretary of state, we now learn, is on the call between the president and the president of ukraine. and so, you know, there's, on the one hand, there's kind of a healthy tension here between congress that wants to get information from an agency and an agency that has legitimate prerogatives and equities in protecting its employees from sort of, you know, committees that may be very aggressive, as well as protecting its own information. that's the normal situation. we're not dealing with the normal situation now. we're dealing with a situation in which people may want to cooperate with these committees and the state department processes and bureaucracy and legal apparatus may be being deployed to prevent them from doing so. >> this is complicated. jeremy, politico's playbook this morning, which is especially juicy, says republicans wor