and are they members of isis? are they brides of isis? spices Ãbat the crack of the challenge of government figuring out how dangerous they are and what to do for them. >> the response has been really uneven.european countries have been quite reluctant to take women and children back. uk in particular there's a case of the young girl show me my bag and who was one of the three girls who became international story because her citizenship was stripped. russia has taken some women back in the u.s. think from an american perspective taking these women back, monitoring them knowing from simply security perspective. >> you been to the camp and talk to the women. are they remorseful? are they regretful?or defiant. >> both. these are the women who came out of the final stronghold of isis. a lot of them were most fervent believers. women who came out in earlier moments when rucker fell in 2017 there were those who wanted to get out earlier tried to. there's a higher concentration of real hard cries but many couldn't get out. he had to pay smuggle

ran counter isis strategy under presidents obama and trump. >> they never stopped fighting isis, and they did so at great cost. >> reporter: 11,000 kurdish men and women were killed. 24,000 were injured. >> it was very clear for them at the very beginning that this would mean a fight for life or death. >> reporter: delar deriq is a kurd who has researched the long persecution of her people. >> it was a historical battle for survival, for not being wiped out from history. >> reporter: but in the end, the kurds believed it was worth it. they won. isis was defeated. and the kurds started to realize the dream they've had for over a century. they began to establish a permanent homeland in northern syria. a place 2 million kurds here could call their own. they even had a name for it, rojaba, meaning "the land where the sun sets." >> the kurdish people are often referred to as the largest nation without a state. they believe that this is their historic homeland, and it is their his historic homeland. >> reporter: but not everyone welcomed the birth of rojaba. turkey to the north saw a new,

p y d y p g the fight against isis will be successful they need you on the ground to fight isis and be argued to the contrary from the very beginning you cannot fight one terrorist organization with another one you cannot fight isis with the p k k but if the effect is that 6 months down the line isis in a much stronger position what are you going to do just say sorry feel military action we fought against isis in the jobless area with your face to shield operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists very have about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are international setters some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish syrian border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of land you have cleared our border from the isis in fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y p g in the fight against isis we told them look you don't need

p y d y p g the fight against isis will be successful they need p y d y b g on the ground to fight isis and be argued to the contrary from the very beginning you cannot fight one terrorist organization with another one you cannot fight isis with the p k k but if the effect is that 6 months down the line isis in a much stronger position what are you going to do just say sorry feel military action we fought against isis in the jobless area with your face to shield operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists very have about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are international citizens some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish syrian border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from the to the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of land you have cleared our border from the isis in fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y e g in the fight against isis we told them look yo

that release about $800.00 isis terrorists in. prison president from spoke to our president about what turkey is going to be about the crisis prisoners and our president said very clearly on that phone call that we will take care of them that is we will keep them locked up we will not release them we will try them we will try to return them to their countries of origin and this is what we did but it was by b.g.p. why did that release them from prison in and they know this that's on the record evidently foreseeable that that would happen why will they did that and this why did why did why this is the result but why did why p.g. did that 4 of 4 before that you very clearly well what's the answer the answer is that p y d y p g wants to use isis actually as a bargaining chip in the eyes of the west telling them that you know without p y d y p g the fight against isis will be successful they need p y d y p g on the ground to fight isis and be argued to the contrary from the very beginning you cannot fight one terrorist organization wit

operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists the have about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are international citizens some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish syrian border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from the to the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of lent you have cleared our border from the isis and fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y e g in the fight against isis we told them look you don't need p y d to fight against isis we can do this with the national elements in syria be candid with the turkish army ok we don't want. we don't need to have u.s. troops on the ground but you can provide air support ok and you can take care of isis there's an alan let me let me just go back to your justification for this operation to have a right to make your border area safe from terrorism to force militant kurdish groups. out of this so-called terror corri

the euphrates shield operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists v. have about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are international setters some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish syrian border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from to the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of land you have cleared our border from the isis in fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y e g in the fight against isis we told them look you don't need p y d to fight against isis we can do this with the national elements in syria we can do it with the turkish army ok we don't want we don't need to have u.s. troops on the ground but you can provide air support ok and you can take care of isis it is on the ballot let me let me just go back to your justification for this operation do you have a right to make your border area safe from terrorism to force militant kurdi

that release about $800.00 isis. terrorist in prison president from spoke to our president about what he is going to do about the isis prisoners on our president said very clearly on that phone call that we will take care of them that is we will keep them locked up we will not release them we will try them we will try to return them to their countries of origin and this is what we did but it was by p.g.p. why did that release them from prison in and they know this that's on the record eminently foreseeable that that would happen why will they did that and this why did why did why this is the result but why did why p.g. did that 4 of 4 before the q. any connection well what's the answer the answer is that p. y d y p g wants to use isis actually as a bargaining chip in the eyes of the west telling them that you know without p y d y p g the fight against isis will be successful they need p y d y p g on the ground to fight isis and be argued to the contrary from the very beginning you cannot fight one terrorist organizat

shield operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists ve had about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are international setters some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish syrian border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from to the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of land you have cleared our border from the isis in fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y e g in the fight against isis we told them look you don't need p y d to fight against isis we can do this with the national elements in syria we can do it with the turkish army ok i don't want we don't need to have u.s. troops on the ground but you can provide air support ok and you can take care of isis they did on the island let me let me just go back to your justification for this operation do you have a right to make your border area safe from terrorism to force militant kurdish groups p y e y p g out of

and many isis family members, those without isis, want to return to turkey f they make it to turkey, they can make it to europe. i could spend an hour to listening to problems that turkey's attacks created in the area and important to ask why so many -- in this country, turkey calling an ally. >> thanks to this report from northern syria, her eye-opening account really shed light on turkey's operations, conduct in syrian territory, but what about turkey's operation here on u.s. soil? this question sets us up for an exclusive report written, by the ex-chief of turkey's police, how turkey is conducting influence operations to american muslims, the lobbying that we're witnessing. welcome. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> welcome and thank you for attending our panel. i'd like to be very brief. a report released to us last night so i'm going to defer mostly to the report, but i'm going to highlight some important parts of the report and our findings. this has been an ongoing research maybe for the last year, and i tried to base everything in this report on evidence that i was able to

on the ground to fight the isis. these were the promises then when they pulled out all of us out of the news so there could this reaction which was very angry on the also international reaction and american reaction by congress by the media by the think tank so all this pressure is i think convinced that mr asian to. consider the position. some forces may involve protecting the views not to fall into unsafe hound's that's part of the. reason i'm asking this question is because i covered the syrian war extensively from from the ground and in the 1st years of the conflict there was a tacit agreement between the assad government and the many kurdish communities in syria and not chad taki chad that there was a bit of a neutrality in the works and then the kurds decided to abandon that neutrality for the sake of what we now see to be a very short sleeved alliance with the americans in hindsight do you think it was a mistake to for the courage to align themselves with the pentagon that dot time back in 2015 of the moment t

on the ground to fight the isis. these were the promises then when they pulled out all of us knew so there could this reaction which was very angry and also international reaction and american reaction by congress by the media by the think tanks so all this pressure as i think convinced that mr asian to. consider the position. some forces may involve protecting the views not to fall into unsafe hound's that's part of the. reason i'm asking this question is because i covered the syrian war extensively from from the ground and in the 1st years of the conflict there was a tacit agreement between the assad government and the many kurdish communities in syria and not chad taki chad that there was. a bit of a neutrality in the works and then the kurds decided to abandon that neutrality for the sake of what we now see to be a very short sleeved alliance with the americans in hindsight do you think it was a mistake to for the courage to align themselves with the pentagon that the time back in 2015 of the moment they were fac

on the ground to fight the isis. these were the promises then when they pulled out all of us saw the news so there could this reaction which was voted angry young also international reaction and american reaction by congress by the media by the think so all this pressure as i think convinced that mr asian to reconsider their position. reset in some forces of the name of protecting the oil fields not to fall into unsafe hound's that's part of the way the reason i'm asking this question is because i covered the syrian war extensively from from the ground and in the 1st years of the conflict there was a tacit. agreement between the assad government and the many kurdish communities in syria and not chad taki chad that there was. a bit of a neutrality in the works and then the kurds decided to abandon that neutrality for the sake of what we now see to be a very short sleeved alliance with the americans in hindsight do you think it was a mistake to for the courage to align themselves with the pentagon that dot time back in

to the new head of isis. so i think we've got an existing terrorist cells that are conducting attacks mostly in the northern part of sinai. on the second question, unfortunately, i think, globally we're seeing prisons be incubators for radicalization and terrorism. i don't think anyone has broken the code on how you deal with it. we've had individuals in united states prisons who have gotten out who are every bit as radical as they were when they went in. our european partners have this problem in spades. we're looking at -- and because of the length of prison sentences, we're on the cusp of seeing hundreds to thousands of people come out that were very radicalized when they went in or got radicalized when they went in. so i certainly take your point that we got a lot of work to do. but there have been sort of debates about whether you put all these prisoners together, whether you try to break them up. the european partners have gone back and forth on some of this. and all of them have demonstrated challenges

he was the founder of isis. the father, if you want to call him that, of isis. i think he was not so happy a few weeks ago when he saw those 67 men, in that case, pouring down on to where he was staying. we have a new national hero. -- conan is our new great hero. conan was at the white house the other day. noticed al-baghdadi, the founder, the leader of isis, the man who was trying to reinstitute isis -- because we have 100% of the isis caliphate in syria is now ours. he is dead this second is dead. the third, we have our sites on the third. the third, i don't think he wants the job. the third, you know what, maybe i will go work in a store or something. baghdadi was a monster who raped, murdered, and tortured the innocent, including many americans. folks, thosethose great people in the orange jumpsuits, often times standing on a beach with a thug behind them and a big knife, that was all al-baghdadi but he is gone. the american warriors executed a masterful raid and punched his ticket to hell. [cheering] pres. trump: shortly after we someaghdadi, we focused on

on the ground to fight the isis. these were the promises then when they pulled out all of us knew so there could this reaction which was very angry young also international reaction and american reaction by congress by the media by the think tank so all this pressure is i think convinced that mr asian to . consider the position. some forces may involve protecting the our views not to fall into unsafe hound's that's part of the. reason i'm asking this question is because i covered the syrian war extensively from from the ground and in the 1st years of the conflict there was a tacit agreement between the assad government and the many kurdish communities in syria and not chad taki chad that there was. a bit of a neutrality in the works and then the kurds decided to abandon that neutrality for the sake of what we now see to be a very short sleeved alliance with the americans in hindsight do you think it was a mistake to for the courage to align themselves with the pentagon that dot time back in 2015 of the moment they we

no, isis is different. isis is actually ideology and very strong ideology and they managed to create a precedent in the middle east and the islamic world, to create first a state with a population of more than 7 million. the size of the state is bigger than britain. it used to have about $1 million income from the oil and gas of syria, so they still have branches in afghanistan and north africa, iraq and syria. the most dangerous thing, isis is still there — the corruption, the lack of good governance and the sectarianism, the anarchy. if you see, there is uprising in iraq and lebanon. we will come back to all of that because there is a lot to unpack there. butjust on this individual, the us president says he knows everything about the successor to al—baghdadi. what do you think about the role that he has played here? if we ask ourselves the question of where does this leave isis and its affiliates, the question of almost equal importance, is where does this leave mr trump, who managed, by the way in wh

able to confront isis in iraq. they had to fly all the way across northern syria to get to abu bakr al-baghdadi's compound. there is concern about whether we have continuing capacity given the decision to suddenly pull out all the troops and the syrian kurds were instrumental in giving us the intelligence we needed to get abu bakr al-baghdadi. shannon: how do we balance those concerns, those competing interests? >> in life and politics and national security you have to have priorities. what should america's 40 be? we spent 20 years preoccupied with the middle east, ignored the real strategic threat which is a rising and aggressive china and i do think we need to reorient our priorities to china, to maintain a technological edge we traditionally enjoyed. affidavit's point about the middle east he have a case. the kurds arboreal allies and it was a mistake to walk away and see them slaughtered. i personally am nutty enough to think we might want to encourage a new state of curdisstand, the only people in the middle e

what does this say about isis? >> isis continues to be very media-savvy. there's a couple excavations for this. one is that they saw this attack taking place and they had some media-ready scenes already filmed of these recruits, as gillian turner noted, pledging allegiance to isis. they thought now might be the right time to show it for maximum effect. it's also possible that this lone wolf terrorist, who launched today's attack, i have been radicalized online. might have been contacted, might have been in contact with isis before, and that isis may have some foreknowledge of today's attack and thought to gain maximum benefit for it. >> julie: isn't it likely, though, that any time there is linked to any kind of terror attack that it's the cowards? the isis terrorists that are not actually related to this attack, coming forward and taking responsibility for trying to, i guess, get notoriety? so this is that moment where they can say, "wow, isis is not weakening. in fact, isis is still strong and they still have numbers on the streets, nobody's safe." this

mission -- a counter isis mission. i think that's very important. from an intel perspective, the foreign fighter problem and the isis prisoners in that part of syria have been a source of much attention for us over the last couple of years and we have obviously been pushing very hard as a country to get our partners to repatriate foreign fighters and that has not gone well and there are tremendous issues associated with judicial systems as many of the european partner countries. as a result, as i mentioned we've gotten fatalistic about this. we've been concerned that there is a growing likelihood that we can see many of these foreign fighters again when they've broken out of prison and released from prison and by bionmetrically important, and i'm quite pleased with that. similarly, the sdf have been fabulous partners over the years. they've borne tremendous cover thes in northern syria. in the way that they are focusing on prisons, though they drew down substantially when they were responding to the turkish incursion,

isis is different. isis is about the ideology and very strong ideology and they managed to create a precedent in the middle east and the islamic world to create first a state with a population of more than 7 million. the size of the state is bigger than britain. it used to have about $1 billion income from the oil and gas of syria, so they still have branches in afghanistan and north africa. —— £1 million. the most dangerous thing is that the incubator, that supported it, it is still there. isis is still there. the corruption, the lack of good governance and the sectarianism, the anarchy. if you see that there is an uprising in iraq and lebanon. we will come back to all of that because there is a lot to unpack there. just on this individual, the us president says he knows everything about the successor to al—baghdadi. what do you think about the role that he has played here? if we ask ourselves the question of where does this leave isis and its affiliates, the question of almost equal importance

they are concerned about isis. it is far less. isis attacks in turkey. this is why we come back to the issues of prisons. how concerned the turks will be. i do think that they would not be interested in holding a ton of european foreign fighters. they would want to get back to european countries. this sort of focus and emphasis that we have had for a very long time is going to, that will challenge the turkish incursion. >> more on the back. >> hi. thank you. you kind of touched on turkey a little bit. sending home foreign fighters. what does that mean? we touched a bit on european. what are we doing? >> i don't know the answer to the question. what we have seen from our european partners, some concern here. how this will shake out. >> yes, sir. in the back. >> thank you. concentrating in the middle east we have massive riots and whatnot. a connection between the iranian affairs. are we doing anything about that seeing any connection there? is that of any interest or we'll just wait and see what happens? >> that is being done much more by the regional bur

he was the founder of isis. he the father, if you want to call him that, of isis. i think he was not so happy a few weeks ago when he saw those incredible 67 men, in that case, just calm pouring down on to where he was staying. that didn't work out too good. and we have a new national hero. you know who that is, right? conan is our new great hero. and conan was at the white house the other day. you might have seen him. it was something, but the animal noticed al-baghdadi, the founder, the leader of isis, the the man that was trying to reinstitute isis -- because we defeated, we have 100% of the isis caliphate in syria is now ours. he is dead. his second is dead. the third, we have our sights on the third. the third, i don't think he wants the job. [laughter] president trump: the third, you know what, maybe i will go work in a store or something. [laughter] president trump: but that ghdadi was a monster who raped, murdered, and tortured the innocent, including many americans. when you saw those folks, those great people in the orange jumpsuits, often times standing

on the ground to fight the isis. these were the promises then when they pulled out all of us saw the news so there could this reaction which was voted angry young also international reaction and american reaction by congress by the media by the think so all this pressure as i think convinced that mr asian to reconsider the position . reset in some forces may involve protecting the views not to fall into unsafe hounds that's part of the way the reason i'm asking this question is because i covered the syrian war extensively from from the ground and in the 1st years of the conflict there was a tacit agreement between the assad government and the many kurdish communities in syria and. tackett shot that there was. a bit of a neutrality in the works and then the kurds decided to abandon that neutrality for the sake of what we now see to be a very short sleeved alliance with the americans in hindsight do you think it was a mistake to for the courage to align themselves with the pentagon at the time back in 2015 of the momen

it is a deliberate move from the remnants of isis. they would like to say baghdadi is gone, we have another baghdadi, so that they have more legitimacy, islamic legitimacy in particular. isis is not al-qaeda. it is not a one—man show like al-qaeda where osama bin laden was everything. when he disappeared, they weakened completely. isis is about the ideology and very strong ideology, and they managed actually to create a precedent in the middle east and the islamic world, to create first a state with a population of more than 7 million. the size of this state is bigger than britain. it used to have about $1 million income from the oil and gas of syria, so they still have branches in afghanistan and north africa. isis is still there — the corruption, the lack of good governance, the sectarianism, the anarchy. now, if you see, there is an uprising in iraq and lebanon. we'll come back to all of that, because there's a lot to unpack there. butjust on this individual, john, the us president says he knows everything about the successor t

isis -- because we have 100% of the isis caliphate in syria is now ours. he is dead, his second is dead. the third, we have our sights on the third. the third, i don't think he wants the job. the third, you know what, maybe i will go work in a store or something. baghdadi was a monster who raped, murdered, and tortured the innocent, including many americans. when you saw those folks, those great people in the orange jumpsuits, often times standing on a beach with a thug behind them and a big knife, that was all al-baghdadi but he is gone. the american warriors executed a masterful raid and punched his ticket to hell. [cheering] pres. trump: shortly after we got baghdadi, we focused on some other elements in the area and we focused on leaving the area. we kept the oil. makes sense, right? i have been saying for a long time, keep the oil. i used to say it with a place called iraq too. they didn't listen to me. now they have to listen. we kept it. now we can help the kurds, help our partners. it is where they got their wealth and their money. we kept it. we w

he was the founder of isis. he was the father, if you want to call him that, of isis. i think he was not so happy a few weeks ago when he saw those incredible 67 men, in that case, just calm pouring down on to -- come pouring down on to where he was staying. and that didn't work out too good. and we have a new national hero. you know who that is, right? conan is our new great hero. and conan was at the white house the other day. you might have seen him. it was something, but the animal noticed al-baghdadi, the founder, the leader of isis, the the man that was trying to reinstitute isis -- because we defeated, we have 100% of the isis caliphate in syria is now ours. he is dead. his second is dead. the third, we have our sights on the third. the third, i don't think he wants the job. [laughter] president trump: the third, you know what, maybe i will go work in a store or something. [laughter] president trump: but that -- but baghdadi was a monster who raped, murdered, and tortured the innocent, including many americans. when you saw those folks, those great people in the

that is the best environment for isis. this is the best environment for terrorism to actually start again, so it is actually start again, so it is actually true that political islam is receding a bet, it is true that maybe we do not have the same wave of political islam as ten years ago, but i believe this kind of anarchy and dissatisfaction and, as i said, the same problems out there. and maybe getting worse. unemployment, and equality, sectarianism, frustration. corruption. corruption. the polite of these powers from the region has increased the destabilisation. we have a responsibility and the fact that the british government has refused to acce pt british government has refused to accept any of the women and children back from these clamps is a sign that we are abdicating —— the country is pulling out of this region. european governments and particularly the british government have a responsibility here, which they have not lived up to. but also trump, ina they have not lived up to. but also trump, in a few seconds

isis. behind that there was another house of isis and diane in the middle of all of this, reporting against isis. from the beginning, i decided that i would only write fax. by decided that i would only write fax. by knowing the source were witnessing the event myself. religious police controlled everything. shaping, smoking were all considered immoral and the punishment anything from public lashing5 to execution. punishment anything from public lashings to execution. the public executions were a system that isis imposed on the city. they were enjoying this. they were feeling the pleasure of terrorising the people. isis wanted to make it like a show. as that they were shooting a felon for hollywood. a horror movie. sometimes beheading or damage a brother should his brother. —— they made a brother. what made mosul eye at that time were powerful, is that it's message reached out to the international media and they made it public everywhere. newsnight has spoken to the writer of a blog, a b

it couldn't carry out the attacks that it used to and the difference the main difference between isis and the organizations like al qaeda was that isis controlled a swath of territory for you know a few good years so in that sense i think. is a setback for isis in general but the ideology is there or the conditions at which people choose to join the ices and choose to fight against what they claim to be threats against islam and the rest are going to be there and it's not going to go anywhere because the forces the conditions that create isis remains the same in the in the end of the day christiane you have been noting yes i completely agree with that and you know the ground for extremist organization is very felt all over the region you know with respect to the economic perspectives but the sense of. humiliation you know not the opt in for political participation this is all conditions that create a filter high ground for any kind of extremist organization and isis has not disappeared even in syria we have almost on a daily level we have in the northeast we had attacks car bombs what

his death does not end the isis threat to our homeland. isis is not the only threat that we face. i look forward to hearing more about how we are countering the threat from isis, al qaeda and others who seek to harm us. mr. chairman, i do need to address the subpoena issue before i yield back. i'm very frustrated at how the events of last week unfolded. i'm frustrated you'd were put in the position where you thought issuing subpoenas was necessary. if someone gives you their word, they should keep it. i would like the same respect. we have a committee rule that needs to be followed. you gave me your word in a colloquy we would work together on subpoenas. none of that happened this time around. just two months ago, we jointly issued a subpoena for jim watkins. i've been willing to engage with you in the subpoena process. i've been with you every step of the way to defend this committee's mission and oversight responsibilities. the rules exist to protect the minority in this body. rule 12 in our agreement that requires us to speak beforehand, we set in these same chairs for a markup

they had assets giving them communications at isis leader's. they were arming isis' enemies. they were trying to rake up other groups to fight against isis. it shows a picture of professionalism and ruthlessness of irradiance spies who while the u.s. was bombing isis in the air, they were working behind the lines to undermine the groups inside. amy: together? folks they were not coordinating. while they viewed the american presence with wariness, there were also upset that the americans and other powers were not coordinating their efforts more effectively to fight isis together. they were concerned about arends isolation in the world, which did come to greater prominence was the war ended. amy: and you h have in that article iran shadow war in isis, tehran funneling arms to the kurdish and penetrating the inner circle, as you said, the isis leadership. >> the iranian relationship with the iraqi kurds in some ways mimics the american relationship with her kurds in syria, and that they armed them to fight isis, supported them, but then later had a falling out over political dif

that is a top priority for the administration, the prevention of the resurgence of isis to isis 2.0. the administration continues to work with our stf partners on the ground in syria. we have troops embedded with units and we continue to fight isis there. that will be a key point of our presence going forward, whether outside that area so i anticipate that mission will remain a high priority for the indefinite future. this, as congressman tengion for said congressman ken said. >> mr. keating, you are recognized. >> following up, on iraq, great concern. please seen the demonstrations, we know the situation in detail. there was a mortar for nonemergency personnel to leave. that will run out next month. it seems from the budget there has been a cut in security funds to represent what the future is there. it is such a critical area along with so many other areas but without a presence there, it will be that much more difficult. could you comment on what process prospects look like in this critical area right now that gets often overlooked? >> i share your concern. the safety and well-bei

couldn't carry out the attacks that it used to and the difference the main difference between isis or and the organizations like al qaeda was that isis controlled a swath of territory for you know a few good years so in that sense i think. is a setback for isis in general but the ideology is there or the conditions at which people choose to join the ices and choose to fight against what they claim to be threats against islam and the rest are going to be there and it's not going to go anywhere because the forces the conditions that create isis remains the same in the in the end of the day christiane you have been noting yes i completely agree with that you know the ground for extremist organization is very felt all over the region you know with respect to the economic perspectives but the sense of. humiliation you know not the opt in for political participation this is all conditions that create a filter high ground for any kind of extremist organization and isis has not disappeared even in syria we have almost on a daily level we have in the northeast we had attacks car bombs whatever

it couldn't carry out the attacks that it used to and the difference the main difference between isis or and the organizations like al qaeda was that isis controlled a swath of territory for you know a few good years so in that sense i think. it's a setback for isis in general but the ideology is there or the conditions at which people choose to join the ices and choose to fight against what they claim to be threats against islam and the rest are going to be there and it's not going to go anywhere because the forces the conditions that create isis remains the same in the in the on the today christian you have been noting yes i completely agree with that you know the ground for extremist organization is very felt all over the region you know with perspective the economic perspective but the sense of. humiliation you know not the opting for political participation this is these are all conditions that create a filter highground for any kind of extremist organization and isis has not disappeared even in syria we have almost on a daily level we have in the northeast we had attacks car bom

you bears responsibility for thousands of deaths torture and slave men attacks by isis the world over. us president donald trump was unabashedly triumphant when he announced albert doubt he's killing he died like a dog he died like a coward the world is now a much safer place. and security analysts have little doubt that isis has enough financial means and fighters to pose a continuing threat. as al baghdadi is death really made the world a safer place. to me what's your answer to that question donald trump says the world is a safer place is it while in the short term it might appear to be so because isis has been already disorganized for the last few good months and. it couldn't carry out the attacks that it used to and the difference the main difference between isis and the organizations like al qaeda was that isis controlled a swath of territory for you know a few good years so in that sense i think. it's a setback for isis in general but the ideology is there or the conditions at which people choose to join the ices and choose to fight against what they claim to be threats against

she is known as the isis bride. she has married three isis fighters, two of whom were killed and the other she divorced. her father was a yemeni diplomat, but she burned her u.s. passport in 2014 when she declared herself part of the caliphate. she turned herself into coalition forces in january and asked to be returned to the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo has called her a terrorist. a cease-fire between israel and gaza's islamic jihad military group is barely holding together tonight and may be falling apart. in fact, the associated press just reporting new israeli attacks on terror targets in gaza right now. we have someone on the ground. correspondent trey yingst is in gaza city again tonight. >> this crater is all that's left to the house of a senior islamic jihad commander targeted overnight in a series of air strikes by the israeli military. eight people were killed in the assault, five of them children. as the bodies of those killed in the strike were marched through the streets of the gaza strip, a rar

we will remember that al qaeda abhorred the tactics of isis and separated itself from isis when they started committing these heinous, atrocious acts of violence. do i hear what you're saying? >> that's right -- >> go ahead. >> that's right. that is one of the big differences, is that isis was even more radical than al qaeda. now, some people may say, how could you be more radical than al qaeda? al qaeda committed the 9/11 attack. that is true, but what happened to al qaeda is over time, the leadership learned that restraint -- initially, bin laden did not understand that, but what happened was that the affiliate in iraq, al qaeda in iraq, began using violence very indiscriminately, basically blowing up anything that moved. and bin laden was a student of militancy. and what he understood was that this indiscriminate violence against civilian targets was counterproductive. so, increasingly towards the end of his life, he began telling -- operatives, no, use violence more selectively. only strike against government and military targets, et cetera. now, it will be interesting to see whe

isis is a learning organization. it is very bureaucratic. in my own mind i wonder if they would be content with conducting sort of a prolonged insurgency and staying underground. .. the ground to avoid the pressure they absorbed from the coalition the last couple years but nobody knows. that the more we drive down that we siphon those resources off in the greater the likelihood is if we don't understand that that's probably the biggest concern. >> okay. one last question for charles. >> what is the impact of the kind of the concept of terrorism that we see in different contexts context in countries? was impact of this on yoursm wo? how does it affect the information you process and the kind of working relationship you can have with partners when they use the concept according to other national interests? >> it gets into a real wonky answer, but things like the houthis -- is that a terrorist organization? is it an insurgent organization? it's an areata state support. what we find it within our community is that the counterterrorism effort was

this also comes back to the the isis question if he was working under the isis. influence where when was he recruited where was was he recruited was it while he was in prison was in the last 12 months that he's been on supervised tagg release if that's the case then there's a serious problem in the system as well so there's there's a number of questions that sort of emerge out of this the other the other political issues that are going to come out of this is this this argument over early release the home secretary pretty patel's already blaming the previous labor government under gordon brown for the 2008 criminal justice and immigration act whereby they had automatically releasing people on half the time of their sentence and saying that he was sentenced during that time the tory liberal democrat coalition change that in 2012 but he was grandfathered under the old labor labor provisions on that so then it becomes an argument over you know who's responsible for keeping him you know letting him out of prison who didn't keep him in long enough and this this really

this seems to be the work of isis or isis-linked cells, we don't know that but it certainly suggests it. if you look at other attacks in europe like the bataclan attack in paris or the attacks in belgium, it seems obvious if this is isis or an isis-like individual, this is almost certainly not someone on the ground in syria who received advance training. this was someone who was indoctrinated online. there have been a number of incidents recently that would possibly push someone like that to carry out this kind of attack. number one, obviously there was the death of abu bakr al baghdadi, the leader of isis. there have been any number of terrorist plots in the last few weeks that were thwarted in europe and turkey and elsewhere, perceived to be vengeance plots, perceived to be an attempt to get isis' name out there to say "we're still here," right? in the last week and a half, there has been a major operation online to remove isis' presence online, crash all their chat channels. a lot of these kind of peripheral actors have suddenly been unmoored, disconnected from the organization, t

no evidence of an isis contact. it is worth noting that people with german passports do have a right of return but if they are known t to have fought for foren terrorist organizations, the german government can strip them of the german passport. that clearly did not happen here. what we also know is this family did have connections to the traditional group that is a rapidly expanding islamic sect here in germany. some of whose members but not a majority have espoused jihadist aims. >> what will happen to these german nationals noted they are coming home? >> this particular family was met at the door of the plane by police. and taken away for questioning by security services. we are told there is no arrest warrant at the time for any member of the family but the father may he charged on another criminal offense that has nothing to do with terrorism. we were also told that the family will remain under surveillance for some time. >> what are german authorities saying about how these returnees are impacting the security

it couldn't carry out the attacks that it used to and the difference the main difference between isis and the organizations like al qaida was that controlled a swath of territory for you know a few good years so in that sense i think. is a setback for isis in general but the ideology is there or the conditions at which people choose to join the ices and choose to fight against what they claim to be threats against islam and the rest are going to be there and it's not going to go anywhere because the forces the conditions that create isis remains the same in the in the end of the day christiane you have been noting yes i completely agree with that you know the ground for extremist organizations there if all over the region you know with respect to the economic perspectives that the sense of. humiliation you know not the opt in for political participation this is these are all conditions that create a filter high ground for any kind of extremist organization and isis has not disappeared even in syria we have almost on a daily level we have in the northeast we had attacks car bombs whate

now, isis has been dealt, you know, a catastrophic blow with the death of al baghdadi, but isis is still a dangerous and lethal terrorist network. isis still has global ambitions. now, they lack some of the capabilities they had before. in fact, many of the capabilities they had before, but they're still a dangerous terrorist network. so we should take that threat seriously. arthel: if you were to surmise and based on your expertise, what or who is the likely target? >> what they would like is to target i'm sure the west and america. but their capabilities are more likely going to be regional. since they are no longer the territory -- territorial and geographic caliphate that they used to be, they're probably only capable of doing hit-and-run drill activities, car bombings, and assassination attempts. but they still have the capability of radicalizing individuals in different countries. so i guess my advice to us here in america would be to be aware and prepared. arthel: uh-huh. i want to circle back to that. saying they are not as organized as they used to be, could they join forces, sa

isis is a learning organization. it is very bureaucratic in my own mind i wonder if they are content with conducting a prolonged insurgency and stay underground to avoid the pressure that they absorb from the coalition the last couple years. but nobody knows. but the more we draw down and put the other threats the greater the likelihood we will not understand that dynamic going forward and that is a concern. >> okay. >> what is the impact that we have seen the different context of countries? how does it affect the information that you process with that working relationship when they use that concept with other national interest quick. >> that gets into a wonky answer but it seems like the who the - - houthis it is a state support we are finding within our community that the counterterrorism effort was stitched together for many years over time some of these efforts have moved from counterterrorism to regional bureaus and that complicates the coordination and effort of departments and agencies to make sure you know al

there is a warning from isis that there will be revenged. and there is concern from our allies about their capitals. >> reporter: that's right. in that audio message you mentioned earlier that announced the new leader of isis, the replacement for baghdadi, they did tell their followers to continue to seek revenge and they warned the united states, you know, don't be gleeful and don't be arroganrogant about th because we are not giving up on our jihad. >> courtney kube in baghdad, thank you, stay safe. joining me now, senator chris van hollen, a democrat on the foreign relations committee. senator, so much has happened on the ground in syria and diplomatically, the whole region has been turned upside down in the last two and a half, three weeks. what do you assess are the biggest concerns for you and fellow democrats on the foreign relations committee? >> andrea, as was stated, the good news is that we were able to kill baghdadi, despite the fact that president trump's green light to ergd odogan to g after our kurdish allies could have disrup

k and other isis affiliates of isis want to strike the u.s. homeland. please tell us about their ability and what we are doing to mitigate the threat. >> thanks for the question. of all the branches and networks of isis, isis k is the one of most concern. probably in the neighborhood of 4000 or so. we share the concerns of u.s. military and the embassy. they have attempted to certainly inspire attacks outside of afghanistan. toy attempted last year conduct a suicide attack in india. it failed. they tried a couple years ago to a tack -- inspire an attack in new york. there was an attack in stockholm in 2017 i believe that killed five people, so they certainly have got a desire and propaganda would indicate they want to attack outside of afghanistan. thus far, relatively limited. i would say we saw attack claims by isis k ramping up, although now we are looking at about an attack a day. interestingly, about an hour and a half ago they were the latest branch to declare allegiance to the new head of isis. >> thank you for that. i want to thank your team in

line because isis doesn't have bases, but the commanders they tell me they can still see isis fighters recruiting people, trying to take talents and engage in training. it is still a threat. we have a new leader announced today on the isis media website. sometimes, a new leader can invigorate an organization. i agree with you and with kt that president trump deserves credit for taking out al-baghdadi, no one cause more pain and suffering than al-baghdadi, and he deserved to go out the way he did get our special operators also deserve credit. but president trump also did make a mistake by pulling our troops out of syria. that made it harder for us to do the operation pure thank out the operation to get al-baghdadi was successful, but now i have to b, do have enough troops and capacity in syria to confront isis? thank god we still do have the troops in iraq and were able to confront isis in iraq, and remember, the reports came out of iraq, they had to fly all the way across northern syria in order to get to al-baghdadi's compound, so there are some concern about whether we have continuin