this french pilot of escadrille 81. this is an excerpt from an interview talking about dogfights and how crazy it is and all these planes are swirling -- because these guys, they talk about one-on-one aerial duals as the thing they want to do. that's not how most of the fights were. most of them will be eight on eight, a lot much higher. there's some specific battles where there's over 100 planes in the air at any one time. it's more crazy and disorienting and terrifying than anything else. he says it's impossible to speak of silvechivalry in that scenar. arthur davies talks about the same thing, he says all you can think of is pumping lead into any machine you see, just missing each other by a couple feet. that's not knighthood, that's not nobility dueling in the old tradition. that's insanity, that's chaos. it's terrifying chaos happening at over 100 miles per hour with an open cockpit and no parachute. so this causes some issues for several people. psychologically. people discuss the trauma that they have in going do

here's the escadrille. if you don't know who they are, about 250-ish pilots, americans that volunteer long before america enters the war to fly for france. they create the lafayette escadrille. they get a lot of credit. they're the most famous unit. keep in mind about that many more americans volunteered and were spread out among other squadrons. they didn't all have a cool marketable name like that. actually more americans are going to fly with the british than in the lafayette escadrille. they're the famous one you hear the most about. one of their pilots, alan winslow talks about he used to look for german air fight and fly into it hoping he would be seen so an enemy pilot would come up and he could get in a dog fight. that's the aggressiveness we're talking about. these lafayette escadrille pilots, i notice almost every presentation has involved puppies in some way or another. i don't have any puppies for you because these are fighter pilots, they're most aggressive than that. their mascot was two lion

that volunteer long before americans enter the war to fly for france and they create the lafayette escadrille. keep in mind, about that many more americans volunteered and were spread out among squadrons. they all didn't have a cool marketable name like that and actually more americans will fly with the british than in the lafayette, but they are the famous ones you hear most about. one of their pilots talk extensively in his memoirs how he used to look for german anti-fire look to fly into it, so a german would come up and he could get into a dog fight. that's the kind of aggressiveness we're talking about. these lafayette pilots, i noticed that almost every presentation we've heard today has vovld puppies in some way or another, i don't have any puppies for you, because these are fighter pilots, they are more aggressive than that. their mascot was two lion cubs. one was named whiskey and one was named soda because, of course, they were quintin roosevelt was a good example of this aggressiveness. son of teddy roosevelt, of course, he wrote about how he was, and this is a quote, "i'm quite an