jonathan allen, rick wilson, ron klein and joyce vance. joyce, counselor, is there a rabbit on the legal side that the democrats can pull out of the hat in the well of the senate, including but not limited to witnesses' tactics that perhaps we haven't thought of or isn't being discussed at this stage? >> you know, the real problem that the republicans have is that the time to come up with that defense is already passed. so when these allegations first surfaced, they should have come forward with the defense, whatever it was. anything that comes up this late in the game looks manufactured. and we've seen that happen along the path as trump began to try and float trial balloons like the fact that he withheld aid because the europeans weren't paying their fair share which, of course, is not true. or the defense that you previewed here, this sort of notion that he withheld aid because he was concerned about corruption, which, of course, flies in the face of the fact that in 2017 and 2018 trump gave aid there was no concern what joe biden did i

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. sorry, everybody. that's all the time we have. thank you for coming. just kidding. you do wonder what other broadcasts are doing since we have all the guests at this hour. we're going to make good use of them. ron klain, i'd like to begin with you with the last thing we just heard from mitch mcconnell. is there anything wrong with the white house counsel and the majority leader in the senate as you heard them, working hand in hand, step by step? is there anything ethically wrong with it that you can see? >> well, it's certainly not what the constitution intends. the constitution gives the congress the house the power to impeach the president. the senate, the specific constitutional duty to try the president. and, you know, you had peter baker on before. he is the expert on the clinton impeachment. i was in the clinton white house then. the democrats and the republicans came together to kind of come up with procedures to make the trial a reasonable and serious process. what we've seen here is a very par

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. sorry, everybody. that's all the time we have. thank you for coming. just kidding. you do wonder what other broadcasts are doing since we have all the guests at this hour. we're going to make good use of them. ron klain, i'd like to begin with you with the last thing we just heard from mitch mcconnell. is there anything wrong with the white house counsel and the majority leader in the senate as you heard them, working hand in hand, step by step? is there anything ethically wrong with it that you can see? >> well, it's certainly not what the constitution intends. the constitution gives the congress the house the power to impeach the president. the senate, the specific constitutional duty to try the president. peter baker is the expert on the clinton impeachment. i was in the clinton white house then. the democrats and the republicans came together to kind of come up with procedures to make the trial a reasonable and serious process. what we've seen here is a very partisan approach by the republicans, an

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. sorry, everybody, that's all the time we have. thank you for coming. [ laughter ] just kidding. you do wonder what other broadcasts are doing since we have all the guests at this hour. we're going to make good use of them. ron klain, i'd like to begin with you with the last thing we just heard from mitch mcconnell. is there anything wrong with the white house counsel and the majority leader in the senate, as you heard him, working hand in hand, step by step? is there anything ethically wrong with it that you can see? >> well, it's certainly not what the constitution intends. the constitution gives the congress, the house, the power to impeach the president, the senate the specific constitutional duty to try the president. and you know, you had peter baker on for. he's the expert in the clinton impeachment. i was in the clinton white house then. and what i'll tell you is that, basically, the democrats and the republicans came together to kind of come up with procedures to make the tria

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vance. joyce, you heard the last question and what the representative was saying. how will this week be written about? how big a deal? it's what we've been tornado warninging about for how long here in the beltway. but for everyday americans, ma will this be written as? >> it feels very much like this is the week where the future of our democracy hangs in the balance. people haven't focused i don't think quite enough yet, richard, on that second article of impeachment which charges that the president in an unprecedented way has refused to comply with legal process, with subpoenas that have asked for documents and for witness testimony in this congressional oversight proceeding. and instead of providing some information and saying well, that's enough, we won't give you anymore, or at least negotiating in good faith, the president issued a blanket refusal to let congress have oversight of the executive branch. if that's the new rules of order going forward, then we are far closer to a society

attorney joyce vance who spent a quarter century as a federal prosecutor. joyce, john durham, a standing u.s. attorney today commented on an ongoing matter, gave us a status report. is that something you did as a u.s. attorney enjoying the same rank as he has? and is that any better or worse than what comey did with hillary endearing him to so many democrats? >> so brian, that's not something that u.s. attorneys do. we don't comment on ongoing investigations except in very carefully enumerated situations. often we'll comment, for instance, on opening a civil rights matter so the community understands that doj is looking at it. but to make this sort of a comment, qualitative comment on the investigation to say his results are different than the inspector general's results and to talk about the fact that's due to his access to other kinds of witnesses is extremely unusual. it's extremely inappropriate, and i think you're right, we have to look at this sort of obvious comparison that will be drawn between what he did and what jim comey did. if there's one less

joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney. thank you for your time. happy holidays to you. >>> the fact that we have new evidence in the ukraine scandal, these heavily redacted emails between the white house and the pentagon about withholding military aid, and we have gotten it after the president has already been impeached, the drama is heightened by what's playing in the background. the articles of impeachment approved by the house haven't been sent to the senate. today was another day of attacks and recriminations on all sides as house speaker nancy pelosi continued to insist that she would hold onto those articles until the senate announces what kind of trial it has planned. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell called her position absurd, and the president weighed in with a crazy nancy tweet. but given that the impeachment articles do not appear to be leaving the house anytime soon and given that yet more evidence may come out in the weeks ahead, the standoff feels very unpredictable. what should we expect? joining us is congressman raja krish

attorney joyce vance who spent a quarter century as a federal prosecutor. joyce, john durham, a standing u.s. attorney, today commented on an ongoing matter, gave us a status report. is that something you did as a u.s. attorney enjoying the same rank as he has, and is that any better or worse than what comey did with hillary endearing him to so many democrats? >> so, brian, that's not something that u.s. attorneys do. we don't comment onion going investigations except in very carefully enumerated situations. often we'll comment, for instance, on opening a civil rights matter so that the community understands that doj is looking at it. but to make this sort of a comment, qualitative comment on the investigation, to say that his results are different than the inspector general's results and to talk about the fact that that's due to his access to other kinds of witnesses is extremely unusual. it's extremely inappropriate, and i think that you're right. we have to look at this sort of obvious comparison that will be drawn between what he did and what jim comey

joyce vance joins us now along with glenn kirschner. both are msnbc contributors. joyce, i want to start with you. is there still a fairway for this to be a fair trial? >> we all understand as americans in the context of criminal trial what a fair process looks like. it doesn't mean that we do it in every case, but our system works because people believe that in most cases it functions with integrity. the senate takes an enormous risk, particularly these republican senators if they don't agree to fundamental basic processes that conform to americans' expectations of how trials should work including making important relevant fact witnesses available and allowing the evidence to be considered in a way that conforms with our sense of justice. >> glenn, i want to focus on this question of witnesses, there was sound early this morni morning. take a listen. >> every time donald trump refused to have witnesses come before the house, we still were able to find all this information so that we could get to the buoyant point. but all the people that donald trump has said that

attorney and msnbc contributor joyce vance. politico reporter covering the white house daniel litman. yahoo! news political correspondent brittany shepard and former republican congressman from florida and msnbc political analyst david jolly. thank you all for joining us to talk about this. a lot to unpack here. joyce starting with you. these emails about ukraine were just released through the freedom of averages act, kelly talked about. do you see new evidence of a trial here? >> you know, there's a lot of evidence of crimes here, gigi. both involving this email about the delay, the order to the pentagon to stop releasing ukrainian funds, but also about the content of the president's activity and obstruction of congress. we only see this email because a small journalist enterprise file add freedom of information request. these are documents that should have been delivered by the trump white house to congress purchase pursuant to its subpoenas and, of course, they failed to produce anything. here they got this aggressively reda

joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney. thank you for your time. happy holidays to you. >>> the fact that we have new evidence in the ukraine scandal, these heavily redacted emails between the white house and the pentagon about withholding military aid, and we have gotten it after the president has already been impeached, the drama of that is only heightened by what is playing out in the background. the articles of impeachment approved by the house haven't been sent to the senate. today was another day of attacks and recriminations on all sides as house speaker nancy pelosi continued to insist that she would hold on to those articles until the senate announces what kind of trial it has planned. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell called her position absurd, and the president weighed in with a crazy nancy tweet. but given that the impeachment articles do not appear to be leaving the house anytime soon and given that yet more evidence may come out in the weeks ahead, the standoff feels very unpredictable. what should we expect? joining us is con

also back with us former federal prosecutor joyce vance. before i go to new york history i go right to you, joyce, on legality. obviously mr. giuliani is unbowed by this investigation as he continues. do you see legal problems for him here? >> this is incredible for so many reasons. giuliani is not a federal employee. he doesn't operate under any of the federal ethics laws. he's just off freelancing for the president in a foreign country, doing work we would normally expect maybe the justice department to be doing or some other legitimate government agency. so that i think is problematic. the source of giuliani's payment always has remained a mystery. we know from "the new york times" story today that the government didn't disclose any sort of free legal work, and yet he's not paying giuliani. so the question is who is? we know he was working with lev parnas who received at least a $1 million payment from russian sources, so there's a lot of murkiness there. the real question, though, ari, is would this justice department hold giuliani acco

attorney joyce vance. good evening to both of you. joyce, taking the wider view that we get to do sometimes, what strikes you as an investigator at just how quick all of that happened and what it sets up as the judiciary prepares for these future hearings? >> i think that the speed with which this unfolded is one of the most interesting features of this entire process in front of the intelligence committee. you know, typically the president is quick to come up with aacy theory or a reason he should be held accountable. but here the pace of testimony was so quick, the drop of news every day of expanding detail was so fast that the president literally couldn't keep up. and i think that that's one of the smart parts of the process in front of the house intelligence committee, is that speed of process. >> yeah. you mentioned he couldn't keep up. a lot of us in news rooms and those of you who report with us were just amazed, mia, when the president was literally at the un. so we know from what he was doing that day he was too busy to confe

attorney joyce vance who spent a quarter century as a federal prosecutor. joyce, john durham a standing u.s. attorney today commented on an ongoing matter, gave us a status report. is that something you did as a u.s. attorney enjoying the same rank as he has? and is that any better or worse than what comey did with hillary endearing him to so many democrats? >> so brian, that's not something that u.s. attorneys do. we don't comment on ongoing investigations except in very carefully enumerated situations. often we'll comment, for instance, on opening a civil rights matter so the community understands that doj is looking at it. but to make this sort of a comment, equalative comment on the investigation to say his results are different than the inspector general's results and to talk about the fact that's due to his access to other kinds of witnesses is extremely unusual. it's extremely inappropriate, and i think you're right, we have to look at this sort of obvious comparison that will be drawn between what he did and what jim comey did. if there's one lesson

joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of the great state of alabama. joyce, thank you so much for being here to help us sort through this filing. >> glad to be with you, rachel. >> so, originally, prosecutors did not seem bothered by the prospect that lev parnas was going to be on house arrest with an ankle monitor. to those of us that aren't lawyers, that seemed a little crazy, given with the way they arrested him, he was on a jetway on a oplane with a one-way tickt out of the country. now they're saying, oops, we were wrong. and among other things he had money coming in from places like rushy he lied to us about and that means we think he's a flight risk. tell us how unusual this is, if you've seen patterns like this in other cases. >> you know, i think that this is a pretty familiar pattern. initially, the prosecutors in southern district thought that they'd be able to work some sort of cooperation deal with parnas. that, i think, is why we saw those relatively modest conditions of re

i'm also joined by joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in the northern district of alabama. she's also an msnbc contributor. ms. jackson, i'll start with you. let's start with impeachment. it remains very much on the mind of the president apparently on this christmas eve. >> it sure does. you can tell by what he said in this pool spray over mar-a-lago. just down the road, hosted up at west palm beach. you saw the president engaged in cable news, watching fox news it seems, quoting or talking about different segments he heard related to impeachment and also related to the economy. it's clear the president is trying to get a message out that relates to the positive things he's done over the past year and will do over the next year. chief among them, focusing on economic numbers as the president so often does. the specter of impeachment yet hangs over this white house because there is still a holiday hiatus on any negotiations over a senate trial. the president has said today, as he has said all along, that he believes democrats have treated him unfairly. what i thought was int

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. welcome to all of you. beth, let me start with you. that's the president from a little bit more than about two weeks ago we're hearing there. we've been seeing him mainly on twitter the last couple of days, going after nancy pelosi in particular, very aggressive on there. the democrats, nancy pelosi included in declining for now to transmit these articles to the senate. one of the things we've been told is they basically think this can get under donald trump's skin, provoke a reaction in him that might give them leverage. is this the reaction they were looking for at all, or is this just par for the course from donald trump? >> yeah, he's making it very, very personal about nancy pelosi. there's no question about it. of course it is very much under his skin. he's been, you know -- you know, how many tweets? several dozen since the christmas vacation began. you know, specifically about this. it's very much bothering him. on top of that, this is all going to collide with the democrats getting under way really

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. welcome to all of you. beth, let me start with you. we've been seeing him mainly on twitter the last couple of days, going after nancy pelosi in particular, very aggressive on there. the democrats, nancy pelosi included, in declining form now to transmit these articles to the senate. one of the things we've been told is they basically think this can get under donald trump's skin, provoke a reaction in him that might give them leverage. is this the reaction they were looking for at all, or is this just par for the course from donald trump? >> he's making it very, very personal about nancy pelosi, there's no question about i. of course it is very much under his skin. he's been, you know, he's, you know, how many tweets, several dozen since the christmas vacation began, specifically about this. it's very much bothering him. and on top of that, this is all going to collide with the democrats getting under way really in earnest in iowa and new hampshire. we're only about 40 days away from the iowa caucuses and t

. >>> joining me now for more on the legal implications of trump's actions, joyce vance, now an msnbc legal analyst. what are the legal implications here from what you gleaned from that "times" article and what eric and his colleagues revealed? >> well, this story is tremendously important, chris, not for the least of reasons because as you mention in opening the delay appears to be a friend for the democrats. you know, the truth has a habit of coming out. sometimes it takes time, but it appears here that now the truth is coming out maybe in drips, but it's starting to look more like a waterfall. and what jumps out from this story is that this meeting in the oval office between trump and some of the top leaders in government looks a lot more like an intervention than it looks like a meeting. and this is -- you know, this is a meeting that's familiar to any prosecutor who's ever done public corruption cases. you almost always see something like this, whether it's a governor or a mayor, there's a point at which their senior leaders, their senior advisers come and sit down in their offic

. >>> we start this hour with our all-star panel, jonathan lemire from the associated press, joyce vance, u.s. attorney and kimberly atkins from wbrr, all three msnbc contributors. joyce, we know democrats will pursue articles of impeachment focussed on abuse of power and obstruction of congress. we don't yet know what those actual articles will look like. we likely won't know until the committee debates them later in the week. what details are porn for us to pay particular attention to? >> you know, as they say, geoff, the devil is always in the details. that's incredibly true when it comes to a charging document, whether it's an indictment or article of impeachment. the democrats have laid out the broad contours of the charges against the president, both the abuse and the obstruction. when we begin to see the exact language in the articles of impeachment, we'll learn more about the evidence they intend to present in the senate and the contours of the narrative that they'll try to take the american people who are ultimately the jury. it will be the senate that votes, but it's the americ

. >>> joining me now for more on the legal implications of trump's actions, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, now an msnbc legal analyst. what are the legal implications here from what you gleaned from that "times" article and what eric and his colleagues revealed? >> well, this story is tremendously important, chris, not for the least of reasons because as you mention in opening the delay appears to be a friend for the democrats. you know, the truth has a habit of coming out. sometimes it takes time, but it appears here that now the truth is coming out maybe in drips, but it's starting to look more like a waterfall. and what jumps out from this story is that this meeting in the oval office between trump and some of the top leaders in government looks a lot more like an intervention than it looks like a meeting. and this is -- you know, this is a meeting that's familiar to any prosecutor who's ever done public corruption cases. you almost always see something like this, whether it's a governor or a mayor, there's a point at which their senior lea

former chief of staff to nancy pelosi the speaker, joyce vance is former u.s. attorney and jeff bennett is nbc news correspondent. jeff, you've been carrying us and taking us all this way. take us now to the finish line. we assume tomorrow night in terms of the committee's work in actually writing these articles. >> well, the committee right now, chris, is opening a markup of these two tightly focused articles of impeachment. and so a markup for people who aren't familiar with it is a process by which a congressional committee debates or amends measures or legislation. so tonight there'll be a lot of debate. so each member gets his or her five minutes to make an opening statement. democrats i'm told are not planning to offer any amendments. they're not planning to make any change tuesday the two articles that have already gotten the blessing of the house speaker and house leadership. republicans certainly will try to do that but democrats will likely shut that down. here is chairman nadler. >> today we need to gens articles of impeachment against president dona

attorney joyce vance. good evening to you. what do you think of obstructing congress as the second article and the choice not to get into something that our viewers know about that you testified to congress about, alleged obstruction in the mueller probe? >> so, i think that this is a very clever strategic move by the house. this second article of impeachment is drafted in a very narrow way. it applies only to the president's flat-out refusal to comply with subpoenas in the ukraine investigation. the facts are incontrovertible. republicans have not made any effort to say the president hasn't done this. so the question that republicans will have to face is, is this okay? is it okay for a president to refuse to let congress do its job? i think it puts them in a box in a very nice way. >> i want to read the only reference we could find -- i'm curious what you found -- that goes to something that came up from some of our experts in tonight's broad cast. when do you use a scheme or pattern to suggest things? the senate trial ultima

attorney joyce vance at the table. and nbc and nbc john heilemann. john heilemann, you were there. this seems more like a symbolic prospect than a vote-counting one. you've got to get to 20 republican senators to convict him. nobody thinks that's a possibility based on the politics as they are right now as we sit. but even one or two would symbolically sort of swipe at this white house on substance and on politics. >> i think, look, the reality is that that the white house is very focused on the number of republicans who vote for impeachment in the house and they're really focused on the number of republicans who would vote for convict trump in the senate. and anything that makes it not a party-line vote makes it harder for president trump to say it's a partisan witch hunt, it's all the democrats. and you remember republicans that break and the bigger the number on both sides, the worse it is for trump. they are going to spend a lot of time, effort, and energy over the next two months trying to keep those numbers as small as possible. it's possible now with the will hurd news from

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. >> joining me now is januarys nichols and joyce vance. to the point that this has confused the process, americans are not that concerned with the process of impeachment and the trial, so they would assume that because they take a particular oath to be impartial, they think that should be the case, but that is not the case because mitch mcconnell is going hand in glove. they don't need witnesses or witnesses and it will not result in the removal of the president. >> the initial deference from the white hou -- defense on this is that they were talking about the calendar, they were talking about scheduling. and then he went a little further. we'll see to what extent this is lisa murkowski just signaling she is upset, or if she plans to defy her party leader and defect or vote for or put pressure on mcconnell to have witnesses. there are a lot of ways she can exert influence on this process. and ultimately whether or not she would vote to acquit the president or vote to convict the president. one thing we know about president trump is he like

. >> all right, thank you, now we know what is going on, let's dig into why you need to care, joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney, deputy assistant secretary of state, and cohost of unredacted. joyce, to you first, those e-mails legally speaking, do they connect any additional dots? >> you know they do connect dots, and one of the most interesting things is why we have this e-mail. it's because of a small nonpr non-profit news room set a question for the freedom of information act asking that they be turned over and they weren't provided until the very last minute that the court order would have permitted. so i think we need to have that context in mine as we look at the big blocks of black in the load of information that was provided, but we see this very clear notice that the final decision to withhold aide was not communicated to the pentagon for 91 minutes. maybe it is coincidence, but at a bare minimum it means they must tough. it is a shame process if we don't hear from them in the senate. >> the president was just using executive privilege, congress was wrong for impeaching him to

. >> now matt miller, the former chief spokesperson, joyce vance, and brett stevens, i know you believe that what he is asking for is reasonable, but reasonable and real are two things. does mitch mcconnell care? >> no, he doesn't care. >> that is a few different ways that the senate can come up with an agreement for how they would conduct this tripe. that is clearly not can happening they are, the second way is for mcconnell to ram things through the e e members of the caucus are united. they are making the argument that the president should provide a fair trial. so you get guys saying we cannot defend to the voters we have to face in november zif giving them a rubber stamp. the statement that mcconnell made it not one that i can defend. so they demanded a more open trial where the house managers are able to call witnesses. that is clearly what shumer is trying to do. >> what do you make of the argument that if you want mick m mulvaney than we want hunter biden. they are supporting the witnesses that have knowledge that directly bears on the facts be e.g. discussed in the house. that w

attorney joyce vance, who spent a quarter century as a federal prosecutor. joyce, do you draw any inference from ivanka's answer that may shed light on the tonnage of legal jeopardy rudy may be looking at? >> so i thought it was a very interesting answer because it wasn't an answer at all. and here we have the president's daughter. we should always stop and pause and sort of take a moment to appreciate the fact that this is the best advice that the president of the united states gets, not from a career professional but from a woman who is completely unqualified to be working in the white house, and that she's talking about what appears to be the president's equally unqualified lawyer, someone who, if anything, has dragged him into impeachment rather than protecting him. but i was struck by the fact that she would neither disavow rudy as her father's lawyer or do anything to encourage that assumption that he was working for him. it was remarkable for its studied failure to answer the question. >> i want to show you something from "the new york times" that tal

attorney joyce vance who spent a quarter industry as a federal prosecutor. joyce, do you draw any inference from ivanka's answer that may shed light on the tonnage of legal jeopardy rudy may be looking at? >> so i thought it was a very interesting answer, because it wasn't an answer at all. and here we have the president's daughter, we should always stop and pause and sort of take a moment to appreciate the fact that this is the best advice that the president of the united states gets, not from a career professional, but from a woman who is completely unqualified to be working in the white house, and that she's talking about what appears to be the president's equally unqualified lawyer, someone who if anything has dragged him into impeachment rather than protecting him. but i was struck by the fact that she would neither disavow rudy as her father's lawyer or do anything to encourage that assumption that he was working for him. it was remarkable for its studied failure to answer the question. >> you are familiar with this legal arrangement, less so we civili

i want to bring in joyce vance. matt miller serves as chief spokes person, natasha bergland. what do you make of their case for not participating? >> i think it is entirely predictable. the only defense that he is pointing at this point is that the process is broken, property access is unfair. i'm sure that we will hear that it is a witch hunt, and you can't demonize the process when you participate in it. as we get into the fact witnesses on wednesday, as they try to educate the public on the legal parameters, trump will stand aside to criticize the process it wa process itself. >> they are saying it is wildly unfair. republicans only get to call one, they're saying it is totally unfair when they don't even know who the witnesses are going to be, and of course i just mentioned they're compla complaining that it is happening white house the president is out of the country. does the president have any ground to stand on here? >> not at all, majority and the democrats in the majority right now get to pick more witnesses. that is the way the process always works. i think the pre

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joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of the great state of alabama. thank you for being with us to help us sort through this filing. >> glad to be with you, rachel. >> so originally prosecutors did not seem bothered by the prospect that lev parnas was going to be on house arrest with an ankle monitor. to those of us who aren't lawyers that seemed a little crazy with the way they were arresting him getting on a jetway on a one way plane with a ticket out of the country. now they're saying oops, we were wrong. and among other things he had money coming in from places like rushy he lied to us about and that means we think he's a flight risk. tell us if you've seen patterns like this in other cases. >> you know, this is pretty familiar pattern. initially the prosecutors in the southern district that they'd be able to work some sort of cooperation agreement with parnas. that is why i think we saw those relative modest conditions of release given the fact as you say he say standing almost on

attorney joyce vance, mother jones david korn and emily bazzalon. david, is this a damning report? what does it do for the growing case for impeachment? >> what is foremost important about this report is that it is a wonderful synthesis of the information that's come out the past few months, out of the hearings, out of reporting. and i find it really hard to believe that anybody who manages to read the report, even the executive summary, which is 10, 20 pages and lays out the chronology, cannot escape the conclusion that there was a quid pro quo. it wasn't just because ambassador sondland said there was when he testified but you see it again and again and again being forced on the ukrainians. >> to break out your point in pieces, quid pro quo, and the report makes that allegation, it's a type of bribery, which is an impeachable defense. >> that is a question that people out there can argue about, but it makes it clear that the fact pattern here is that there was conditionality. ukrainians want favorable action from the white house, a meeting, phone call or military aid, they have t

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joyce vance, you too, making points that i had not considered. thank you for what has been an illuminating conversation. we will keep an eye on that. >>> next, while the president's allies are keeping their distance from rudy giuliani. i wonder why. stay with us. i wonder why stay with us can my side be firm? and mine super soft? yes! with the sleep number 360 smart bed, on sale now, you can both adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and snoring? no problem. ...and done. so, you can really promise better sleep? not promise... prove. and now, during our new year's special queen sleep number c4 smart bed is only $1299, save $400, plus 0% interest for 24 months on all beds. ends new year's day. the good news? our comfort lasts all day. the bad news? so does his energy. depend® fit-flex underwear offers your best comfort and protection guaranteed. because, perfect or not, life's better when you're in it

jeff mason and joyce vance join me. jeff, you were in the oval office during the press opportunity today. let's office today. >> well, that was on my list of questions and i tried to get it in. the president did not take too many questions today. i would say just looking at his mood, he did not seem super angry. it was interesting he emphasized a couple of different things during the remarks with us. it is bad for the country, impeachment but appears to be good for him politically. that shows some confidence on his part that he believes his polls number are going up and his fund raising have gone up dramatically for his campaign. he wanted to show he was working on other business when that vote happen happened. he said he was wrapping up the china trade deal during that vote. that was another part of his strategy to show while democrats are working on something he considers a sham, he's trying to show the country he's doing more important things. >> and joy vance, there is parnas that rudy was seen together with the pre

i'm also joined by joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in the northern district of alabama. she's also an msnbc contributor. ms. jackson, i'll start with you. let's start with impeachment. it remains very much on the mind of the president apparently on this christmas eve. >> it sure does. you can tell by what he said in this pool spray over mar-a-lago. just down the road, hosted up at west palm beach. you saw the president engaged in cable news, watching fox news it seems, quoting or talking about different segments he heard related to impeachment and also related to the economy. it's clear the president is

joining our conversation now, joyce vance. the day that the mueller report was first -- that the result was first made known, that there would be essentially mueller didn't find a criminal conspiracy behind -- conspiring with russia and on obstruction they weren't recommending charge, a close trump ally said to me give donald trump time, we'll do it again. and if you follow all the news events, even since the house intel committee has finished -- or seemed to have completed its first round of interviewing witnesses, the fact pattern only gets clearer and clearer of donald trump using rudy giuliani to extort a foreign government. >> i think that that is absolutely right and that is perhaps the most compelling argument that chairman schiff made in his report. he responds to the concerns that professor turley expressed today about this rush to impeachment by saying we have to move now because we know that this president with just barely a day of space between him and the mueller report continued on this course of conduct in ukrai

. >> joyce vance, thank you. michael steele, making the best case. >>> president trump's visit to london comes ten days before the big election over there. prime minister boris johnson is reportedly doing everything he can to keep trump from inserting himself in the election. this is a crucial pre-brexit election. you're watching "hardball." g "h. oh no,... ...a cougher. welcome to flu season, karen. is a regular flu shot strong enough... ...to help prevent flu in someone your age? there are standard-dose flu shots. and then there's the superior flu protection... ...of fluzone high-dose. it's the only 65 plus flu shot... ...with 4 times the standard dose. and it's free with medicare part b. fluzone high-dose is not for those who've had a severe allergic reaction... ...to any vaccine component, including... ...eggs, egg products,... or after a previous dose of flu vaccine. tell your healthcare professional if you've ever experienced severe muscle weakness... ...after receiving a flu shot. if you notice ...other pr

joyce vance, our contributor here, called it throwing spaghetti against the wall. i wonder if you feel like any of those attacks landed. did they make any arguments yesterday that give you any concern or pause that they may actually make the public skeptical of this process? >> i really think if anybody in the public, and i would say to all of your viewers right now, look at the facts and look at the transcripts. do not get distracted by the noise and the obstruction that the republicans are throwing up because the reason we returned to fact after fact after fact for everything that they put out there is because they really do not have the facts on their side. that's why they tried to distract. but, you know, in spite of the president's obstruction, one of the things that has really, you know, been so amazing about this very difficult and sober process is that these patriots in the state department, some of whom president trump himself had appointed, john bolton didn't testify but some of the words that were reported by fiona hill, his -- you know, the person that

also joyce vance from the university school of law and daniel moody-mills. co-host of the democracy-ish podcast. what she said when asked if she would back impeachment of president trum. she said he's just not worth it. she since change herd tune and calling for democrats to draft articles of impeachment against the president. a look at what comes next and what wl we can see a vote on impeachment before the end of 2019. vote on impeachment before thend e of 2019 cologuard: colon cancer screening for people 50 plus at average risk. some things are harder than you thought. and others are easier. like screening for colon cancer with me, cologuard. i'm noninvasive and you use me at home. i'm also effective. i find 92% of colon cancers using dna in your stool. so why wait? cologuard is not for those at high risk for colon cancer. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your healthcare provider if cologuard is right for you. most insured patients pay $0. thenot actors, people, who've got their eczema under control. with less eczema, you can show more sk

joining me now, joyce vance. thank you for being here. would it benefit the president's case to present a defense at all? >> you know, maybe not a defense so much as participation in the process. so that he could observe the rules and the reasons ultimately trump always seems to make his defense directly to the people through twitter and other mechanisms. and that seems frankly to work well for him. >> do we get any indication that the president or the white house counsel will actually participate in the process? >> realistically, i think it's unlikely. one of the last defenses they're left with in these proceedings is to complain that the process has been unfair. and it's very difficult to complain about the process when you're involved in it by rejecting the invitation of chairman nadler to participate. perhaps they'll say the parameters that he set for participation were unfair and that permits them to continue to take their case to the public. that the entire impeachment proceeding is not fair, that they won't participate in a witch h

joining us, joyce vance and maya wiley, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, all msnbc contributors. very quickly, and i'll start with you first on this, barbara. these people that giuliani met with, yuri lit senko met with giuliani in new york where he made comments about burisma. viktor shokin claims biden stopped him from investigating burisma and constantin kulik has compiled a 17-page dossier in english pushing the conspiracy theory. he's going to interview them. what do you make of that? >> yeah, i saw someone on twitter calling this the crime that keeps on criming. [ laughter ] you know, as my husband says to our children, when you find yourself in a hole, don't keep digging. >> yeah. >> it seems to me that he's just making things worse by continuing to associate with the very people who has gotten him into trouble. you know, there are allegations that he may have violated the foreign agents registration act. and if he continues to work with these people, you know, still looking for dirt on biden, and he's also tweeted that this is all about h