max rose of new york, anthony brindisi of new york, kendra horn, matt cartwright, joe cunningham, ben mcadams, abigail spanberger of virginia. thomas from ohio, next, democrats line. caller: hi. democratink the think they were ahead of themselves. instead of impeachment, they should have explored the 25th amendment, the president's mental capacity. host: why go that route versus impeachment? what makes you think there is enough support to go that route? caller: i know there is no support within the republican party. that is why i am a democrat.

congresswoman kendra horn is one of 31 democrats who represent districts president trump won in 2016. cnn's polo sandoval joins us from the city where she is getting ready to hold a town hall, so how do her constituents feel about this impeachment push? >> reporter: fred, that's really what it's all about, right? you have these congressmen and women who are coming from red regions here. however, the big question here, do they essentially please their fellow democrats in their ongoing efforts to impeach president trump, but at the same time they still have to come back to their bright red districts, these democratic lawmakers. kendra horn, one of them, we expect to hear from her in the coming hours in her town hall, so while we wait we wanted to take the temperature of members of the constituency. so why not go to the horseman's reigning championship. this is their kentucky derby when horsemen and women come together to show their horses. we have people in the audience making observations of their own, and kendra horn, not only what she's saying when it comes to impeachment, and also h

on the minds of these horse men and women, congresswoman kendra horn's political i ddilemma. a democrat who represents a district who voted for president trump. now horn says she will wait and see the evidence before she decides if she will vote to impeach. >> don't worry whether you're going to get elected or not. it's against the law or not and move on. we're getting nothing in the middle of this and that's what bugs us the most. >> reporter: back at the stables, doug says it could carry political consequences. >> if they could back away, they could get re-elected. if they don't and vote to impeach trump, i think it'll backfire and they'll lose the majority in the house. >> reporter: we heard the same down the highway at representative horn's weekend town hall where some constituents say they don't feel represents by their lawmaker. >> there's not one county in oklahoma that voted for hillary. and yet we don't have a voice. >> the reason that i voted for the inquiry is because when it went into the public forum, there's the ability for both the majority and the minority to

i'm not saying that's the right thing to do, but that's what they're all doing. >> kendra horn is, in fact, v e voting yes on impeachment. sean, there are some republicans -- life-long republicans who have worked to re-elect republicans as president. talking about steve schmidt, george conaway, rick wilson getting together to form this political operation to try to defeat the president. and to defeat republicans who are supporting the president. i want to read you what they wrote overnight. national republicans have done far worse than simply march along to mr. trump's beat. their defense of him is imbued with an ugliness, a meanness, and a willingness to attack and slander those who have shed blood for our country, who have dedicated their lives and careers to its defense and its security. they basically say there are those enabling the president's behavior. how do you feel about that? >> listen. there is a very, very small sliver of the republican party that are never trumpers and they still exist out there. you named a few of them. but if you look at the republican party and their

i want to vote again in 2020 for the person i want to be president. >> kendra horn who was elected in oklahoma. the third woman elected in oklahoma in the history of that state. she won by 1 percentage point. she understands what's at stake. 66 million people voted against donald trump or voted for hillary clinton. 63 million voted for donald trump against hillary clinton. and so whether you were for hillary clinton, for donald trump, or against either one of them, it's important that tomorrow's deliberations, what we are going to hear on the house floor it is a statement about who we are as a country. i know there are people tonight who are looking at me saying well, she is just another democrat. no, i'm just another american who cares very deeply about the future of our country. >> martha: donna brazile, thank you, donna. good to see you tonight. thank you for being here. >> always. >> martha: coming up story exclusive with ambassador ric grenell next. ♪ man: sneezes skip to the good part with alka-seltzer plus. now with 25% more concentrated power. nothing works faster for powerf

that includes kendra horn of oklahoma in a district the president carried by 13 points. as we've seen in every hearing leading up to this point in today's rules committee hearing, democrats again tried to underscore the basic actual severity of what the president did. >> we've listened to the hearings. we've read the transcripts, and it's clear that this president acted in a way that not only violates the public trust, he jeopardized our national security and he undermined our democracy. this is about president trump using his office to try and rig the next election. >> the president's aggressive and unprecedented resistance to congressional subpoenas for witnesses and documents is blatantly and dangerously unconstitutional. if accepted and normalized now it will undermine perhaps for all time the congressional impeachment power itself, which is the people's last instrument of constitutional self-defense against a sitting president who behaves like a king and tramples the rule of law. >> the rules committee is still in session at this hour. right now they're on a break a

horn, democrat in oklahoma, meant to dunk on her but also showed in a ruby red district, 45% of theup peoplerted impeachment. if you extrapolate that to competitivewing districts and states, i'm not sure the politics of this play well for the president inm the long t and especially for the republicans down the ballot who have given themselves no daylight with this president on this question. robert: as democrats calculate, they're movingorward, taking steps. the speaker's requested articles of impeachment to be drafted. what do we a knowut wha those articles will be? what's in them? will they include obstruction of justice when it c to the mueller investigation? or will it just b about ukraine? kimberly: there's definitely appetite among some democrats that they want something from the mueller report, obstruction of justice would probably be the easiest. there were 10 points that robert mueller laid out as potential obstruction of justice articles. but on the other handhere are some conservative democrats that are really nervous and they don't think the mueller report landed well. the

horn, democrat in oklahoma, meant to dunk on her but also showed in a rubyed district, 45% of the people supported impeachment. if you extrapolate that to competitive swing districts and states, i'm not sure the politics of this play well fode the pre in the long term and especially for the republicans down the ballot who ves noiven thems daylight with this president on this question. robert: as democrats calculate, theye moving forward, taking steps. the speaker's requested articles of impeachme to be drafted. what doe know about what those articles will be? what's in them?wi they include obstruction of justice when it comes to thega mueller inveson? or will it just be about ukraine? kimberly: there's definitely democratsmong som that they want something from the mueller report, obstruction of justice would probably b the easiest. there were 10 points that robert mueller laid out as pottial obstruction of justice articlesr but on the oand there are some conservative democrats that are really nervous and they don't think the mueller report landed well. they want this to be as narrow as p

significantly kendra horn, a democrat from a.o.c. city, oklay one of the two of three democrats in the house of representatives she announced she would vote yes. this goes onto the senate. that's why the big debate right now is what will an impeachment debate look like. and senator mcconnell and senator schumer, the leaders nut senate get an agreement. and something, you know, that could happen, i should point this out, that after the vote on the articles of impeachment tomorrow, they have to send over a separate resolution. in that resolution it basically tells the senate what they have done in the house of representatives. here's the article have at it. it also tells you who the impeachment managers are. these are the prosecutors who present the case to the house of representatives. and regardless of whether schumer and mcconnell can ever come to an agreement, the only thing that has to happen in a senate trial is they receive the articles of impeachment. they actually read them aloud in the senate, and then you receive the manager

kendra horn of oklahoma city, that was one of the biggest districts in 2018. president trump carried that by 13 points. shee's a yes. several others. abby if anythingenhaur from iowa. they'll lose three or four total democrats in this vote tomorrow. and then it's up to the senate. the end result is what does the senate trial look like? it appears that mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer, the majority/minority leaders are at lauger heads on how to work out details of a senate trial back to you. >> neil: likely no republican votes in the house. and they're lock step so far in the senate. right? >> right. but, again, we have to see what democrats try to do. do they try to wrap this up early or try to put some of the other republican senators in the tough spot with the procedural vote. >> neil: you remain wicked smart. always good having you. no one knows capitol hill better. that's going to be the dramatic scene tomorrow. here comes "the five" now. >> jesse: hello. i'm jessie along with katie, juan williams, dana perino, and greg. it's 5:00 here in new york city an

among those are some of the most vulnerable democrats including kendra horn who won her seat by a point last year. she flipped oklahoma's district which trump won by 13 points. she announced with a heavy heart, the oath i took to defend the constitution requires an oath for impeachment. a "yes" vote could be more politically risky for anthony brindisi, the freshman congressman from upstate new york who turned his district blue by single point after trump won by 15. in an op-ed this morning, he said i know people will be angry but i was elected to do what is right, not safe. senior democrats are insisting their members not being pressured by leadership to support impeachment. >> it's the most solemn undertaking that any member of congress can have. every member will have to make that decision evidence they have been doing, anchored in principle. >> not every democrat is jumping oon board. minnesota congressman collin peterson whose district trump won by 30 points as he's leaning towards voting against impeachment. as for house republicans, francis rooney is the only undecided vote, thoug

horns. but 45% supported impeachment which is a pretty high number. >> sam, give us a quick preview of the arguments we'll expect to hear from both sides leading up to the senate trial. >> sure. well, i think the clips from congressman raskin and collins wind up pretty well. you'll see democrats coalesce over this is an ongoing crime. it's not something that is over. to ensure that it stops happening and protect the integrity of the 2020 elections which are so close. this is why they're not waiting. you know, leader mcconnell said this is rushed. people like raskin will continue to move quickly because this is a crime that is happening in realtime. again, i think the republicans are going to really lean on this argument that this is rushed, that the democrats haven't done their homework and it's flimsy, with both collins and mcconnell said yesterday. >> danny cevallos here on set, thank you so much to you. >> sam brody in d.c. appreciate it. >>> still ahead, the president claims joe biden ha

they showed a poll on kendra horn in oklahoma. it showed 22% of her constituents were for impeachment, and there was more that were for it. i thought it would be worse in oklahoma. so, yes, there is some risk, but if you're also a moderate republican, say a brian fitzpatrick, there is risk for them. but i think the biggest risk of all is for the senate republicans in the swing states who are up. that's the big risk because the president will be acquitted and those voters are going to be angry. the democrats in those states will be angry and motivated. >> jeffrey, we keep hearing the republicans raise the issue of hunter biden, the son of joe biden, and he was working for burisma. he was on the board of this ukranian gas company, he was making a lot of money over the years, and this was corruption and this was unacceptable from the u.s. perspective of the president of the united states. if the president was so concerned about that, why did he go to the ukranians to complain and seek an investigation, why didn't he go to the fbi or

from upstate new york, kendra horn from oklahoma city and i would also look at joe cunningham, the freshman democrat from south carolina and you could have a scenario where some of the democrats who were from those vulnerable districts vote yes on one article of impeachment and vote no on the other. that cuts two ways because republicans can say you voted to impeach the president of united states for than they to town hall and say i thought that particular article went too far, that's why i voted no but the other one was right in the wheelhouse so i voted yes on that particular one. they have to sell that and what will they be doing over the christmas holiday? selling that to their voters and come january and february, we will be into the iowa caucuses in the new hampshire primary and people won't be paying us close attention to impeachment. >> dana: thank you so much, here is congressman buck from colorado. >> this president is holding his campaign promises, moving the embassy to jerusalem, cutting taxes, cutting regulations. sustaining an amazing economy with low unemployment, job creatio

that includes kendra horn of oklahoma in a district the president carried by 13 points. as we've seen in every hearing leading up to this point democrats again try to underscore the basic actual severity of what the president did. >> we've listened to the hearings. we've read the transcripts, and it's clear that this president acted in a way that not only violates the public trust, he jeopardized our national security. and he undermined our democracy. this is about president trump using his office to try and rig the next election. >> the president's aggressive and unprecedented resistance to congressional subpoenas for witnesses and documents is blatantly and dangerously unconstitutional. if accepted and normalized now it will undermine perhaps for all-time the congressional impeachment power itself, which is the peoples last instrument of constoogzal self-defense against a sitting president who behaves like a king and tramples the rule of law. >> the rules committee is still in session at this hour. right now they're on a break and the chairman of the rules committee co

. >> i would have thought that kendra horn and the congressman from south carolina cunningham and the one from utah might have some of the greatest exposure, greatest risk. but if that's the number, yeah, there's risk. that's a manageable risk. >> i think that's inconceivable. [ overlapping speakers ] >> and you didn't pick it up at all. it's early. but not for you it's not early. i would agree. it isn't what it says. if i was looking at that poll and republican, i wouldn't feel good about that. >> interesting, right? d you feel good about giuliani? >> i think rudy is out there right now -- i know people are questioning why he's in ukraine. i think he's out there right now trying to prove that he's right and trying to gather the evidence. rudy's been kicked to the curb by pretty much everybody because of what he's been doing here. i've talked to people around rudy and they are convinced that their narrative is the correct narrative. >> but he's the president's lawyer. why is he over there? if i was the president i would say get back home, this isn't helping things. cousin the presiden

>> kendra horn, and the same thing a lot of other democrats are hearing, hearing from people who say you ran things were going to be different, you work with everybody and all you have done is have this obsession against donald trump, he didn't do anything. the phone call, volodymyr zelinsky said there was nothing wrong but because you don't like the result of an election and are more afraid of your radical left base in washington then constituents who elected you back home. that is the real reckoning. every one of these democrats, the clear vote is now, you vote against impeachment on these articles because there was no law broken. the constitutional standard is high crimes and misdemeanors, this is not even a traffic violation but they are going to do it not because of the crime but because they are afraid of the repercussions from the radical left like aoc up in washington. it is a sad day that it has come to this. >> you are trying to get things done with the vote and figure out how to move the president's agenda forward. a pretty good week with the defense though we have been ta

i notice one of your colleagues, kendra horn, basically got elected in a trump district on 2018. she's on the griddle and a republican pac posted a video of here going back and forth with constituents at a town hall and some say why are you not focused on the nation's business. one of the constituents said there's going to be hell to pay if democrats like her vote for impeachment. do you think she's going to hear that message? there are going to be several moderate democrats who bolt from party leadership and vote for this. we have already learned that there are democrats who are going to vote against impeachment. jeff van drew in new jersey, colin peterson in minnesota has voted against the impeachment inquiry, so it wouldn't surprise me if moderates in trump districts across this country end up voting against impeachment. we might not have both articles passed, we might just have one and you know, back when clinton was impeached, the claim of abuse of power never passed the house. so we'll see how it goes. ed: all right. >> democrats are running from this because they know nanc

horn. she sits in the oklahoma city-based district president trump won by 14 points in 2016. this was her tweets from yesterday saying it is with a heavy heart, but clarity of conviction i have made my decision. took thank -- oath i requires a vote for impeachment. both.cts substantiate inviting foreign interference strikes at the heart of our democracy, threatens security, and is an abuse of power. confusing to comply and prohibiting officials from testifying. she tweeted i did not come to congress seeking impeachment nor do i agree with the extreme is on either side, but we must act to protect our constitution and our national security. shera horn of oklahoma and won in perhaps one of the most surprising spots in the 2016 election, that deep red part of oklahoma. one other democrat from a trump district, this is anthony brindisi from upstate new york in the 22nd district in a seat president trump won by 15 points. he wrote an opinion piece at syracuse.com explaining his decision to vote f

max rose of new york, anthony brindisi of new york, kendra horn, matt cartwright, joe cunningham, ben mcadams, abigail spanberger of virginia. thomas from ohio, next, democrats line. caller: hi. democratink the think they were ahead of themselves. instead of impeachment, they should have explored the 25th amendment, the president's mental capacity. host: why go that route versus impeachment? what makes you think there is enough support to go that route? caller: i know there is no support within the republican party. that is why i am a democrat. he obviously has mental issues and they should have explored that first, that is all i have to say. host: what is wrong with the articles of impeachment? caller: it is kind of a week -- weak case. it is kind of amorphous. i think they should have explored that first. host: when you describe them as weak and amorphous, what do you base that on? caller: i am talking about his mental capacity. host: the articles of impeachment, you describe them as weak -- weak and amorphous. why is that? caller: obstruction of justice, how do you prove that? that

little less safe for somebody like kendra horn in oklahoma city or joe cunningham in south carolina. that was true with or without impeachment. i think it's important to remember that president trump campaigned before the midterm elections in 2018 telling voters that if they voted for a democratic member of congress in those districts that they might be, in fact, voting for impeachment and still democrats were elected there. so this is not a surprise to the electorate in a lot of the districts that impeachment was a result. it may or may not be the governing factor as amanned was reporting from new hampshire. it probably isn't the biggest impact on a lot of voters in this coming election. so we'll see. i think some districts will probably flip back into republican hands. a lot will probably stay in democratic hands. >> republican leaders say they are in lock step with the white house on this. a number of republicans in the house and senate who are either retiring or not seeking re-election. is this any indication they could split with their party? >> there has been no indication from

kendra horn flipped oklahoma's fifth district for democrats in an upset win and kendra was there to vote to impeach. ann kirkpatrick of arizona streeted to impeach. she represents one of the most competitive districts in arizona and is being targeted by republicans in next year's election. abby finkenau rirks and cindy axne. trump won both districts in 2016, abby and cindy voted to impeach. illinois's lauren underwood is the first person of color and first millennial to represent her community in congress. in 2012 lucy mcbath lost her 17-year-old son to gun violence. she stepped up. in 2018 she won a seat in congress. last night lucy voted to impeach. we spoke this week with alyssa slotkin, the former cia analyst. she knows her vote for impeachment could cost her her job. alyssa showed courage and did it anyway. she voted to impeach. also from michigan, haley stevens, whose vote for impeachment was met almost immediately by an opposition super pac. hailey is good with that, voting to impeach. democrats torres, a lawyer who narrowly flipped new mexico's second congressional lawyer. she vo

anthony brin daoesy from new york and kendra horn who flipped a district in oklahoma city. >> bill: just to be clear we're saying that attorneys for both republicans and democrats will be at this hearing on monday. is that a change in tactics from republicans or not? >> it is not really a change. i asked one member of the house intelligence committee on the republican side this morning if that's what they anticipated. they said yes. we really haven't gotten a lot of clarity as to what the hearing would look like. not a same format what we saw in the intelligence committee a couple weeks ago or last week as well. >> bill: a lot to be determined still. chad, thank you. good reporting on the hill. back to sandra for more reaction on this. >> sandra: let's bring in richard fowler and rachel campos-duffy. great to have you here. i'll let you each make the case why each party wants to see this? there has been many cases made to have this move along so swiftly. richard, to you first? >> i think this is a situation as we heard nancy pelosi say yesterday in a town hall on another network it's abo

today horn announced with a heavy heart the oath i took to defend the constitution requires a vote for impeachment, a yes vote could be even more politically risky for anthony brindisi, freshman congressman from upstate new york and also turned his district. by a single point after trump won it by 15. in an op-ed this morning he said i know some people will be angry but i was elected to do what is right, not politically safe. senior democrats are insisting their members are not being pressured by leadership to support impeachment. >> the solider undertaking any member of congress can have. every single member has to make that decision as they have been doing, anchored in principle. >> not every trump district democrat is jumping on board. minnesota congressman collin peterson his district trump won by 30 points that is leaning towards voting against impeachment. as for house republicans, retiring congressman francis rooney is the only undecided vote though he's leaning against impeachment and today donald trump touted that unity. >> this has been a total sham from the beginning. everyb