it's dated wednesday, october 2nd, which is just after lev and igor got contacted. another to john dowd. says, quote, john, i have discussed the issue of representation with the president. the president consents to allowing your representation of mr. parnas and mr. fuhrman. it's fruman, but you see the point he's making. it is signed jay sekulow, counsel to the president. if mr. sekulow can be taken at his word and there's no reason not to, this would imply that the president personally gave his consent for lev and igor to have the lawyer of their choosing, john dowd, representing them as they were fighting a request for testimony from congressional investigators looking at the impeachment scandal. the day after that email was apparently sent from mr. sekulow to john dowd, that's when dowd told investigators on his client's behalf that they wouldn't be cooperating with the impeachment investigation. now, lev parnas event bely changed his lawyer, dropped john dowd and also changed his mind and started cooperating with the impeachment investigation. that's how we got

>> igor fruman. >> igor fruman. entering the trump orbit, it's not the usual orbit that i have known being around and it is not typical in the other administrations. >> during the campaign it was small. >> that's right. it was the same people. the same faces. >> it was possible to actually get in. >> it was -- yeah. i mean, it was -- i mean, we were there all the time. >> you loved president trump. >> loved him. i mean, he -- i mean, when the fbi came to my house to raid it my wife felt embarrassed because they said i had a shrine to him. i had pictures all over. i idolized him. i thought he was the savior. >> you -- did you think you were friends? >> absolutely. i mean, again, i went from being a top donor, from being at all the events where we would just socialize to becoming a close friend of rudy giulianis to eventually becoming his ally and his asset on the ground in ukraine. >> the president has said-when you were arrested the president of the united states said he didn't know you. >> i tonight know those gent

on the tape you hear his voice and that of igor fruman and others. the 80-minute tape involved discussions including north korea and they upcoming congressional elections. but during a conversation about energy policy and vladimir putin, parnas mentions ukraine. it's at that point they discuss ambassador yovanovitch. >> the biggest problem there i think where you need to start is we got to get rid of the ambassador. she's still left over from the clinton administration. she's basically walking around telling everybody wait, he's going to get impeachment. just wade. >> really? >> it's incredible. >> she'll be gone tomorrow. >> i don't remember his name. >> so what happens now that we have a secretary of state -- >> ged rid of her. get her out tomorrow. i don't care. get her out tomorrow. take her out. okay? >> excellent. >> do it. >> i spoke with lev parnas's attorney, joseph bondy. >> i want to ask you about some of the stuff on these recordings. at one point the president asks lev parnas about the former president of ukraine, i just want to play thi

igor leave it was 8 when he left russia with his parents for germany an immigrant and a jew he knows what exclusion feels like buddy quote from american writer james baldwin some hope. i'm wearing a bracelet here baldwin so i can't be a pessimist because i'm alive. and i have nothing to after about. the war leave it continues to fight for his beliefs for tolerance for a better world and his fans celebrate him for that as well as far as he's. unbelievably admirable man and joining me to talk some more about him is scott rockstro thanks for coming in again scott igor live it has been very outspoken against racism and right wing violence and hatred for some time now which of course has made him a target of extremists but it seems to only make him stronger yeah and i think it's significant because he's such an important figure in the classical world and he's one of the greatest classical pianist of his generation and he's been very politically acceptable for quite some time now i mean a couple of years ago he received an echo which is sort of the german equivalent of a grammy award and h

he and soviet born businessman igor fruman worked as fixers operating on the ground in the ukraine and elsewhere on behalf of rudy giuliani and on behalf of the president as well, parnas says. parnas was on the front lines of giuliani's pressure campaign to get ukrainians -- launch an investigation, just to announce one and he says he on at least two occasions delivered the quid pro quo to ukrainian officials. president trump has denied knowing parnas, but parnas says the president is lying and he also says president trump knew exactly what he and giuliani were up to. and it wasn't about corruption in ukraine. parnas is under federal indictment on campaign finance charges. just this week documents and records from parnas's case were handed over to the house and intelligence community, pages of text exchanges with jewgiulianid others. i spoke to lev parnas earlier this week, accompanied by his attorney joseph bondi. >>> the person you were two years ago, are you the same person you were two years ago? >> no, i'm not the same person i was two years ago. two years ago i fell into -- i'm n

igor leave it was 8 when he left russia with his parents for germany an immigrant and a jew he knows what exclusion feels like buddy quote from american writer james baldwin some hope. i'm wearing a bracelet here. i can't be a pessimist because i'm alive. and i have nothing to at the about. the war leave it continues to fight for his beliefs for tolerance for a better world and his fans celebrate him for that as well as far as he's. unbelievably admirable man and joining me to talk some more about him it's got rockstro thanks for coming in again scott igor live it has been very outspoken against racism and right wing violence and hatred for some time now which of course has made him a target of extremists but it seems to only make him stronger yeah and i think it's significant because he's such an important figure in the classical world and he's one of the greatest classical pianist of his generation and he's been very politically acceptable for quite some time now i mean a couple of years ago he received an echo which is sort of the german equivalent of a grammy award and he gave th

igor leave it was 8 when he left russia with his parents for germany an immigrant and a jew he knows what exclusion feels like buddy quote from american writer james baldwin give some hope. i'm wearing a bracelet here. i can't be a pessimist because i'm alive. and i have nothing to apple about. or leave it continues to fight for his beliefs for tolerance for a better world and his fans celebrate him for that as well as far as he's. unbelievably admirable man and joining me to talk some more about him is scott rockstro thanks for coming in again scott igor live it has been very outspoken against racism and right wing violence and hatred for some time now which of course has made him a target of extremists but it seems to only make him stronger yeah and i think it's significant because he's such an important figure in the classical world i mean he's one of the greatest classical pianist of his generation and he's been very politically a quite some time now i mean a couple of years ago he received an echo which is sort of the german equivalent of a grammy award and he gave the echo back

igor leave it was 8 when he left russia with his parents for germany an immigrant and a jew he knows what exclusion feels like buddy quote from american writer james baldwin give some hope. i'm wearing a bracelet here baldwin so i cannot be a pessimist because i'm alive. and i have nothing to applebaum. or leave it continues to fight for his beliefs for tolerance for a better world and his fans celebrate him for that as well as far as he's. unbelievably admirable man and joining me to talk some more about him is scott rockstro thanks for coming in again scott igor live it has been very outspoken against racism and right wing violence and hatred for some time now which of course has made him a target of extremists but it seems to only make him stronger yeah and i think it's significant because he's such an important figure in the classical world i mean he's one of the greatest classical pianist of his generation and he's been very politically it's spoken for quite some time now i mean a couple of years ago he received an echo which is sort of the german equivalent of a grammy award an

. >> what conversations have you had with lev parnas and igor fruman? >> i don't know these gentlemen. >> tonight, house democrats unveil a trove of new documents provided by rudy giuliani's indicted associate. what we're learning from handwritten notes by lev parnas, what looks like a plan to tail the american ambassador to ukraine and what all of it means as democrats and the white house prepare for the trial of donald trump. >> the whole thing is a hoax. >> "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. we've got very big breaking news tonight. on the eve of the house vote to send president donald trump's articles of impeachment over to the senate the house intelligence committee, that would be, of course, the economy that held the impeachment inquiry and interviewed the witnesses, that committee just released an incredibly incriminating cache of documents from rudy giuliani's indicted associate, lev parnas and told you yesterday the documents were transmitted over to the house and tonight just in the past couple hours re

and that the other associate, igor museum frum -- igor fruman, reported it. it raises so many questions about the extent of this. >> and the president is on trial for matters that pertain directly to this. and margaret, we are only just hearing this now. i can make an argument that because the president's talking about the removal of marie yovanovitch a year before joe biden even enters the race that it's not necessarily directly related to joe biden. maybe that helps the president. but it's evidence, and it's new evidence, and it paints the president as a liar about how well he knows lev parnas or his contacts with him. and it indicates that maybe there's more out there, more that is there for the taking if the senate wanted it. >> i mean, john, i think that it certainly shows that when the president is saying i don't know this guy, i've never heard of this guy, i meet a lot of people in photo lines and stuff, that that's just not borne out by the facts. and this is proof of it. and so it certainly undercuts the president's credibility with any denials he ma

rather than talking to shady characters, like lev and igor, and whoever else was assembled at that -- that meeting. this makes absolutely no sense. the other thing that really troubled me, jeff, is when we heard lev's attorney tell raichl last night and we've been trying to work with the southern district of new york to provide this information that's obviously credible. we've got tapes. and they don't want to meet with us. why? because if lev parnas cooperates, who could he reach out and touch as a cooperating witness? certainly, rudy giuliani and the president of the united states. is bill barr putting a stop to that? that's dangerous. >> jonathan alan, you heard glenn there say shady characters when referring to lev parnas and igor fruman. did it at all sound as if lev parnas, in that recording, was in a way bating the president? >> i mean, there is an hour and 24 minute tape. you have to wonder the prominence of that tape. why that tape was made in the first place. you know, typically you don't record your conversations with the president of the united states. >> yeah. why would y

the four people in that meeting, myself, his former partner, igor fruman, and two others, say that it's absolutely untrue. the meeting never took place. the records demonstrate the meeting never took place. >> so that would indicate that he wasn't being directed by the president through you -- >> no, no, it indicates that he lied, misrepresented it. like michael cohen did. >> so waj, now he's a liar, like they say about michael cohen. >> i think we should believe rudy giuliani, he takes photos with a lot of people that were indicted like lev parnas and igor fruman. now we're supposed to to believe he attacked marie yovanovitch, and somehow this deal that everyone was a part of, that's not my words, that's ambassador sondland. trump's pick to the eu who said that everyone, everyone was in the loop when it came to this drug deal, when it came to trump abusing his power to push ukraine to investigate joe biden and interfere in the u.s. elections, one of the two articles of impeachment of which he is the third president ever to be impeached. we should trust rudy giuliani here. when he says

igor's it down off well just in terms of reaction to his stance on home according to a recent poll carried out by a.b.c. news a majority of americans disapprove of the way mr trump so far handled the escalating crisis in the middle east. alongside iran canada is also reeling from the tragedy that shocked the world $57.00 canadians were among the victims of the tiran plane crash must vigils have been held across the country with prime minister just introduced attending a memorial service in edmonton were there is a larger reunion community involved to rome has acknowledged its full responsibility for the plane crash the c.e.o. of a canadian food company who says one of his colleagues lost his wife an 11 year old psalm as rushed out of the united states. narcissist in washington tears would accomplishments apart destabilizes the region us now and welcome everywhere in the area including iraq tensions escalated to feverish pitch the collateral damage of this irresponsible dangerous ill conceived behavior $63.00 canadians needlessly lost their lives in the crossfire including the family of one

the four people in that meeting, myself, his former partner, igor fruman, and two others, say that it's absolutely untrue. the meeting never took place. the records demonstrate the meeting never took place. >> so that would indicate that he wasn't being directed by the president through you -- >> no, no, it indicates that he lied, misrepresented it. like michael cohen did. >> so waj, now he's a liar, like they say about michael cohen. >> i think we should believe rudy giuliani, he takes photos with a lot of people that were indicted like lev parnas and igor fruman. now we're supposed to to believe he attacked marie yovanovitch, and somehow this deal that everyone was a part of, that's not my words, that's ambassador sonland. trump's pick -- that everyone was in the loop when it came to this drug deal, when it came to trump abusing his power to push ukraine to investigate joe biden. the third president to ever be impeached. we should trust rudy giuliani here. when he says he doesn't know lev parnas, we should believe him, he takes photos with everybody, don. >> so is giuliani admitting h

and it is this dinner conversation that was captured on tape with president trump and igor fruman and lev parnas, the two guys that the president said he doesn't know. we're told that the tape is more than an hour long. he does know them. and he's as so upset about what they're telling him about marie yovanovitch which we don't believe was true. they were feeding him lines to their agenda. they wanted her gone because she was trying to bust the corruption that they were reportedly up to. he just wants -- he immediately orders that she be fired. so listen to this moment. >> the biggest problem there, i think, we need to start, we got to get rid of the ambassador. she's still left over from the clinton administration. >> the ambassador to ukraine? >> yeah, she's basically walking around telling everybody, wait, he's going to get impeached, just wait. >> get rid of her. get her out tomorrow. i don't care. get her out tomorrow. take her out. okay? do it. >> we haven't heard the full context of that tape. there will be more. and it will come out, or the senate could hear it now. >> yeah, t

parnas but rather one of his co-defendants igor fruman. abc news was first to report on the existence of the tape and having -- they were first to report that they had reviewed it, they had heard it today. since we've been talk about this tonight, including with lev parnas's attorney, joseph bondy who was not a source for the abc news story, who has since provided the tape to the house intelligence committee, abc news while we have been speaking has just published the audio, and so we've got -- i think we will eventually have two clips. the first clip that we've got here goes right to this key point of president trump ordering the ousting of ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch. go ahead. >> get rid of her. get her out tomorrow, i don't care, get her out tomorrow. take her out, okay? do it. >> get rid of her, get her out tomorrow. i don't care, get her out tomorrow, take her out, okay? do it. mr. bondy, as we've discussed earlier, it's hard for us to know who the president is directing that get out, get her, get her out to. your client, mr

the fact that he was the guy, according to igor fruman is, they were on the ground and they would deal with the former president. the man that is heading intelligence services under zelensky. hold up a phone and rudy giuliani would be on speaker phone saying, listen to these guys. they represent the president, me. listen to what they have to say, what they're going o tell you. >> it's not conventional. i can kind of wonder if there's some reason to have igor and lev doing that bidding. >> if it's actually in the national security interests, it makes no sense that it's these two guys. >> guys with no security experience and no diplomacy experience, can you say if they gave donations to other gop senators. i know from the public record he gave donations to sort of joint fundraising committees that -- >> yes. >> -- could then be distributed to a number of candidates. >> yes. >> did he also give directly? >> i think it was more -- there were some direct donations, small, direct donations but really more larger donations to super pacs that could then unbundle those donations and give them t

. >>> in terms of the president and what he has said about you, he said about you and from igor frumen, i don't know those gentlemen, no know what they do. you're saying that was not a true statement? >> he lied. when you say friends, me and him didn't eat hot dogs together. i interacted with him as a lot of events. we had one-on-one conversations at roundtables. basically i was -- forour five days out of the week i was in constant contact with him. i was with rudy when he would speak to the president, plenty of times. i mean, so it's just ludicroew >> how did you know rudy was on the phone with the president? was it on speakerphone? >> it would be sever times on speakerphone. he would start the conversation, take it off, and then go somewhere else to talk to him. a lot of times it was on the golf course when we were golfing together. i especially remember during the mueller time that rudy said something that was taking out of context and he was creaming at him so loud. that's when i watched the testimony, i could understand that you can't hear president trump talking to -- like i hear

iraqi official described the strike as a violation of their country's sovereignty igor's done office across igor this came out for our viewers just joined this well by an hour ago we know that be a vote if up before the vote trying to work out whether or not it would go through because it's such a complicated political picture there was a thought that no it wouldn't go through it was close to call take us through what happened then i will talk about some of the other ramifications but how close was it to not getting through this well ok you're absolutely right when you describe it as a close call because they barely reached the minimum amount of m.p.'s to be present for the vote for the whole vote to happen in the 1st place in the so-called quorum and the reason for that is that certain powers of political powers in iraq they have been under tremendous pressure from the united states to boycott the vote to sabotage the whole thing because obviously the united this is this is a development the united states certainly doesn't like to wake up to this morning a so essentially the kurds f

igor fruman recorded the conversation at the dinner. lev parnas has talked about the tape recording from memory according to his lawyer. >> okay. >> these past weeks. this afternoon lev parnas found his own recording of -- >> on his eye cloud. >> joe bondi, his attorney, quickly got it to congress, to the house intelligence committee. and now they have to figure out what to do with it. >> so -- and someone gave it to abc news. >> yes, joe bondi, lev parnas's lawyer has been very clear to say that he has no idea how -- he does not believe it comes from him or from lev parnas. >> so i'm going to get you guys in, we have a very short time left on the air here. what do you think -- we've heard the president talk like this and the president doesn't know parnas, 15 people in the room, talking to them. >> it's striking to me,ton, earlier in the show you were highlighting reporting that -- leans against calling witnesses in the impeachment trial, momentum seems to be going in the other direction and now we're getting more information from someb

lev parnas has been making the round, we haven't heard from igor fruman. so the fact that fruman was secretly making these recordings, it's significant. it makes you wonder how many other tapes are out there that would contradict donald trump and perhaps others. >> here's another clip of what appears to be parnas talking to the president about ambassador yovanovitch a year before she was fired. ador yovanovitch a year before she was fired. . >> couldn't this be used as evidence, potentially. and if it was, do you think it would make a difference? >> it could be used as evidence in the impeachment trial and used as everyday in a criminal trial if charges were ever brought. let me tell you, this tape, if authentic is about as troubling as anything that we have heard the president say or do. think about this, lev parnas is apparently having a conversation with the president of the united states providing him information, perhaps false information, about a u.s. ambassador marie yovanovitch saying, well, you know, she wants you impeached and in knee-jerk fashio

he just couldn't speak with igor. so he would text me. usually after we were done for the night the bar scene was happening. and i don't drink. but they would hang out, have a drink at the bar. >> let me ask -- the text message that he sends to you about ambassador yovanovitch are disturbing. >> very. >> what is the context of these text exchanges? he appears to be giving you very specific information about the ambassador's movements, about her location, about her security situation, calls her the b word over and over again, very hostile to her, and seems to be monitoring her whereabouts. why did those exchanges happen? what was he trying to tell you? >> i don't believe it's true. i think he was either drunk or was trying to make himself bigger than he was. so i didn't take it seriously. and i was trying to -- if you see i didn't even respond to him most of the time and if i did it was something like lol or okay or great or, you know, something like that just to -- because i wouldn't respond for a long time. and i didn't want him to get r

hi and welcome to arts and culture pianist igor leave it has been hailed as the beethoven interpreter for contemporary ears he's also a courageous political activist which earns him both accolades and death threats more on that after a look at our other stories. berlin based on a william fan is the current darling on the german fashion scene and he's top of the town at berlin fashion week. and news that might leave some shaken not stirred american pop star billy irish has recorded the theme to the next bond flick the new track and movie are due in spring. it's an unfortunate fact that anti-semitic crimes are on the rise in germany a savage attack on a synagogue and last october is just one example. of it is an artist who doesn't mince his words the german russian pianist with jewish roots speaks out openly and often against anti-semitism and right wing hatred last week in berlin the international committee honored him for his stance which hasn't been without consequences. leave it in the last few minutes before the show. and focused.

along with igor -- mr. mccarthy: who's that? reporter: -- [indiscernible] -- will there be an audit that's released to the public and the press? mr. mccarthy: i don't know how much money he gave me. when it came out in the press, if you'll look, i have been pretty successful, i have raised more money than -- as the leader of the republican party, as the speakers of the republican party before me. people come to events and they take photos with me. this seems to be the case. i saw a photo that he had on there that he actually walked up to me at the inaugural, you see him put his hand around me, and snap a picture. like hundreds of thousands of other people that did as well. that seems to be of interest to you. when i found out this individual had given money to take back -- or i don't -- protect the house, it was given away to charity. i don't know what more you need by. that i know because you come back every week with the same question. reporter: every week you avoid answering it completely. mr. mccarthy: ok. let's be honest an

admirable man and joining me to talk for about a miscount rockstro thanks for coming in again scott igor live it has been very outspoken against racism and right wing violence and hatred for some time now which of course has made him a target of extremists but it seems to only make him stronger yet i think it's significant because he's such an important figure in the classical world i mean he's one of the greatest classical pianist of his generation and he's been very politically acceptable for quite some time now i mean a couple of years ago he received an echo which is sort of the german equivalent of a grammy award and he gave the echo back because the organization that gives them out also gave one of these awards to 2 german rappers who are infamous for using a very anti sematic to massage as the lyrics and in part because of his stand the act was actually had to close down so his words have weight and his message political message actually is very very simple what i mean he's basically just saying that if we want to preserve the democratic society that we have the free and open soci

. >> along with igor fruman, wasn't there an investigation, didn't your team look into this, will there be an audit that's released to the public and the press? >> i don't know how much money he gave me. when it came out in the press, if you'll look, i've been pretty successful, i have raised more money than -- as the leader of the republican party, as the speakers of the republican party before me. people come to events and they take photos with me. this seems to be the case. i saw a photo that he had on there that he actually walked up to me at the inaugural and he put his hand around me and snapped a picture, like hundreds of thousands of other people did as well. that seems to be of interest to you. when i found out that this individual had given money to protect the house, it was given away to charity. i don't know what more you need by that. because you come back every week with the same question. >> every week you avoid answering it. >> okay, let's be honest and fair, okay? you just said a week ago you asked me the question and i answered. now i answer the same question again. we

hi and welcome to arts and culture pianist igor leave it has been hailed as the beethoven interpreter for contemporary ears he's also a courageous political activist which earns him both accolades and death threats more on that after a look at our other stories. berlin based designer william fan is the current darling on the german fashion scene and he's top of the town for lang fashion week . and news that might leave some shaken not stirred american pop star billy irish has recorded the theme to the next bond flick the new track and movie are due in spring. it's an unfortunate fact that anti-semitic crimes are on the rise in germany a savage attack on a synagogue and last october is just one example. of it is an artist who doesn't mince his words the german russian pianist with jewish roots speaks out openly and often against anti-semitism and right wing hatred last week in berlin the international auschwitz committee ordered him for his stance which hasn't been without consequences. leave it in the last few minutes before the show.

hi and welcome to arts and culture pianist igor leave it has been hailed as the beethoven interpreter for contemporary ears he's also a courageous political activist which earns him both accolades and death threats more on that after a look at our other stories. berlin based designer william fan is the current darling on the german fashion scene and he's top of the town at berlin fashion week . and news that might leave some shaken not stirred american pop star billy irish has recorded the theme to the next bond flick the new track and movie are due in spring. it's an unfortunate fact that anti-semitic crimes are on the rise in germany a savage attack on a synagogue and last october is just one example. of it is an artist who doesn't mince his words the german russian pianist with jewish roots speaks out openly and often against anti-semitism and right wing hatred last week in berlin the international auschwitz committee honored him for his stance which hasn't been without consequences.

my question, why do you need to ess how many times you met parnas, along with igor freedman and others who -- didn't your team look into this? will there be an audit released to the public ans pre? mr. mccarthy: i don't know how much money he gave me. it came out in the press. if you look, i have been pretty successful, i have raised more money than -- as the leader of the republican party as the speaks of the republican party before me. people come to events and take photos with me. this seems to be the case. i saw a photo he had on there that he actually walked up to me at the inaugural, put his hand around me and snapped a picture. like hundreds of thousands of other people did as well that seems to be of interest to you. when i found out this individual had given money to take -- i don't know -- to protect the house, it was given away to charity. i don't know what more you need by that. you come back every week with the same question. reporter: every week you avoid answering it completely. mr. mccarthy: let's be honest and fair. you just said a week you asked me the question, i ans

hi and welcome to arts and culture pianist igor leave it has been hailed as the beethoven interpreter for contemporary ears he's also a courageous political activist which earns him both accolades and death threats more on that after a look at our other stories. berlin based designer william fan is the current darling on the german fashion scene and he's top of the town at berlin fashion week . and news that might leave some shaken not stirred american pop star billy irish has recorded that theme to the next bond flick the new track and movie are due in spring and. it's an unfortunate fact that anti-semitic crimes are on the rise in germany a savage attack on a synagogue in hollow last october is just one example. of it is an artist who doesn't mince his words the german russian pianist with jewish roots speaks out openly and often against anti-semitism and right wing hatred last week in berlin the international auschwitz committee honors him for his stance which hasn't been without consequences. leave it in the last few minutes before the meditation and focused.

hi and welcome to arts and culture pianist igor leave it has been hailed as the beethoven interpreter for contemporary ears he's also a courageous political activist which earns him both accolades and death threats more on that after a look at our other stories. berlin based designer william fan is the current darling on the german fashion scene and he's top of the town fashion week. and news that might leave some shaken not stirred american pop star billy irish has recorded the theme to the next bond flick the new track and movie are due in spring . it's an unfortunate fact that anti-semitic crimes are on the rise in germany a savage attack on a synagogue and holler last october is just one example. of it is an artist who doesn't mince his words the owner to him for his stance which hasn't been without consequences. leave it in the last few minutes before the show meditated and focused.

admirable man and joining me to talk for about a miscount rockstro thanks for coming in again scott igor leavitt has been very outspoken against racism and right wing violence and hatred for some time now which of course has made him a target of extremists but it seems to only make him stronger yeah i think it's significant because he's such an important figure in the classical world and he's one of the greatest classical pianist of his generation and he's been very politically it's spoken for quite some time now i mean a couple of years ago he received an echo which is sort of the german equivalent of a grammy award and he gave the echo back because the organization that gives them out also gave one of these awards to 2 german rappers who are infamous for using very anti sematic a massage as the lyrics and in part because of his stand the act was actually had to have to close down so his words have weight and his message political message actually is very very simple what i mean he's basically just saying that if we want to preserve the democratic society that we have the free and open

reporter: along with igor fruman, wasn't there an investigation, didn't your team look into this, will there be an audit that's released to the public and the press? rep. mccarthy: i don't know how much money he gave me. when it came out in the press, if you'll look, i've been pretty successful, i have raised more money than -- as the leader of the republican party, as the speakers of the republican party before me. people come to events and they take photos with me. this seems to be the case. i saw a photo that he had on there that he actually walked up to me at the inaugural and he put his hand around me and snapped a picture, like hundreds of thousands of other people did as well. that seems to be of interest to you. when i found out that this individual had given money to protect the house, it was given away to charity. i don't know what more you need by that. because you come back every week with the same question. i'm not sure it -- reporter: every week you avoid answering it completely. rep. mccarthy: okay, let's be honest and fair, ok? no, you just said a week ago you asked me

lev parnas and igor fruman. mr. parnas and mr. fruman were indicted on charges including supporting president trump. simply put, in doing her job well, ambassador yovanovitch drew mr. lutsenko's ire. and as mr. kent observed, you can promote anticorruption efforts without taking off corrupt people. as it turned out, this statement applied to mr. lutsenko and mr. giuliani who feared that the ambassador would stand in the way of his corrupt efforts to course ukraine into conducting investigations that would benefit the interest of his client, president trump. mr. giuliani's courting smear campaign against ambassador yovanovitch became public in the united states in late march, 2019. with the publication of a series of opinion pieces in the hill based on interviews with mr. lutsenko. on march 20th 2019, and want peace in "the hill," mr. lutsenko falsely accused ambassador yovanovitch of giving him o a do not prosecute list. not only was the allegation false, originating the claim, mr. lutsenko would later go on to retract it. the sam

♪ ( laughter ) now, these parties are big, crowded affairs, but lev and igor got v.i.p. treatment. at one point during the party, parnas and fruman slipped out to have a private meeting with the president and giuliani-- though, i know, it sounds bad. ( audience reacts ) it sounds bad-- though, it is a hanukkah party... they may have just gone off to play a high-stakes game of dreidel. ( laughter ) ( as trump ) "this is the first casino i've been to where they don't judge me for eating the coins." ( laughter ) but, some people-- some people-- ( applause ) >> jon: recollections, >> stephen: "come on, gimel!" but it might not have been so innocent after all, because after he met with trump, lev parnas told two of his buddies he was on "a secret mission" to pressure the ukrainian government to investigate joe biden, like some sort of james bond mission. yes, a james bond mission. ( laughter ) the one thing you don't want in a spy is someone excited to tell everyone they're a spy. ( laughter ) "my name's james bond, and i'm a spy! here's my license to kill. well, it's a learner's permit

former giuliani associate igor fruman reporting on a dinner in 2018 in which it's alleged the president said get rid of the former ambassador marie yovanovich. we are told that was turned over to investigators in congress. my question is, she wasn't fired until 14 months later. what in the world is the big deal here? >> early on when i wrote my story everyone said i was the reason she got fired. the concern of the ambassador and her stewardship of the embassy goes back a year before my reporting. at the end of the day, the president is going to fire her because he didn't like the color paint she painted her office. it's a red herring. why was our embassy so incompetent that it couldn't fight this issue in ukraine. lou: why don't we understand what is clearly a dissident moment here. there is so much attention on her. and there was so much attention from the left. she had sponsorships from every corner. around her. and we don't understand -- i don't understand why. i haven't seen a written report of why. and it goes on. there has to be more to this story than any of us now understand. >>

the person who made the tape and who's not commented about it was actually igor fruman. according to joe bondi, who is lev parnas' lawyer, there was a general discussion among a very small group of people that the tape is an hour and a half long, and the subject of the ukraine in general came up. now, lev parnas has said that he had problems with the ambassador, she was an obama appointee. i think it's worth remembering that in the indictment that lev parnas is under from the southern district of new york, they do talk about lev parnas' business ties and, you know, there's a notion that maybe the ambassador was an obstacle to parnas and fruman's business ambitions in the ukraine. and i think it's important to remember that in the context of this dinner. >> so now legally, michael, we have a couple of different boxes here. one is the president said i don't know parnas, i don't know what he was up to, i would have never talked to him about anything like this. first, what does this tape mean on that score? >> that he is not telling the truth. it's pretty straightforward tha

clearly he has documentation as does, it seems like his associate igor fruman to back it up. we want to see more of that. his lawyers come on cnn tonight and says he has more video recordings, we need to see them. >> look, this is why it's so dicey for the senators to ignore it. this guy parnas is playing to advantage. he's got a case hanging over his head and it's a scary case. his lawyer is dribbling things out a little bit here and there. they're no angels either. it leads to what should be curiosity that right now is being shared by you. it should be shared by senators. let's leave it there. as we get more pieces to puzzle, i know you'll help us put them together. vicky ward, thank you so much. amazing they are not reviewing what you just saw and these documents we're telling you about. we'll keep drilling on these because we don't know what happened and why. and what we do know already is obvious enough. but what we don't know is even scarier in some ways. so, how did the team do today? how did they set themselves up? we'll take a look at where we know they're going on m

the person who made the tape and who's not commented about it was actually igor fruman. according to joseph bondy, lev parnas's lawyer, there was a general discussion among a small group of people. the tape is an hour and a half long, and the subject of ukraine in general came up. now, lev parnas has said that he had problems with the ambassador. she was an obama appointee. it's worth remembering in the indictment that lev parnas is under from the southern district of new york, they do talk about lev parnas' business ties and there's a notion that maybe the ambassador was an obstacle to parnas and fruman's business ambitions in the ukraine. and i think it's important to remember that in the context of this dinner. >> now legally, michael, we have a couple of different boxes here. one is the president said i don't know parnas, i don't know what he was up, to i would have never talked to him about anything like that. what does this tape mean on that score? >> that he's not telling the truth. it's straightforward that you cannot participate in a 15-person, high-dollar donor

breaking overnight, the release of an explosive audiotape that features president trump speaking to igor fruman and lev parnas at a dinner in 2018. you'll remember these are the two indicted rudy giuliani associates charged with funneling russian money to president trump's political pac among others. this is the same lev parnas the president says he does not know. on this tape, mr. trump does know him and is telling him to get rid of then-u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. here it is. >> get rid of her. get her out -- i don't care. get her out, okay. do it. >> that audio was obtained by abc news. there is paeapparently a lot mo. parnas' lawyer says the full recording is nearly an hour and a half long. we will play more of what has just been released. >> the tape supports of version of events that parnas has been speaking to and refutes the president's claim that he doesn't know parnas. until that, it is evidence to suggest the president is lying. it is the type of evidence that might be useful in, say, a trial. perhaps the type of evidence that nearly 70% of americans say they

lev parnas and igor fruman were charged in october with violating campaign finance laws. president trump said at the time, quote, i don't know those gentlemen, however a recording of a dinner at a hotel in washington suggests otherwise. two clips released tonight were recorded in april 2018 and begin with a man we know as lev parnas. >> the biggest problem, though, i think we need to start is we've got to get rid of the ambassador. she's still left over from the clinton administration. >> the ambassador [ bleep ]. >> walk around telling everybody wait he's going to get impeached, just wait. >> really? >> it's incredible. >> in the second clip we hear that same voice of a man who sounds like the president apparently responding. >> get rid of her. get her out the door. i don't care. get her out the door. take her out. okay? do it. >> cnn's not confirmed the authenticity of the tape, and i think i said the attorney released it to abc. but i don't think that's the case. we're not clear on who released it to abc. if confirmed it would support what lev parnas said on this progr

lev parnas and igor fruman were charged in october with violating campaign finance laws. president trump said at the time, quote, i don't know those gentlemen, however a reporteding of a dinner at a hotel in washington suggests otherwise. two clips released tonight were recorded in april 2018 and begin with a man we know as lev parnas. >> the biggest problem, though, i think we need to start is we've got to get rid of the ambassador. she's still left over from the clinton administration. >> the ambassador [ bleep ]. >> walk around telling everybody wait he's going to get impeached, just wait. >> really? >> it's incredible. >> in the second clip we hear that same voice of a man who sounds like the president apparently responding. >> get rid of her. get her out the door. i don't care. get her out the door. take her out. okay? do it. >> cnn's not confirmed the authenticity of the tape, the attorney released it to abc, but i don't think that's actually the case. we're not clear on who released it to abc. if confirmed it would support what lev parnas said on this program last

president, sir, what conversations -- what conversations have you had with lev parnas and igor fruman? >> i don't know those gentlemen. >> you're in pictures with them. >> then senator chris murphy on white house deception about iran. >> he didn't cite a specific piece of evidence. what he said is he probably, he believed could have been. >> are you saying there wasn't one? >> i didn't see one. >> the president's latest lies about preexisting conditions. >> nobody knew health care could be so complicated. >> three weeks from iowa, a crowded leaderboard comes into focus a as another candidate drops out. >> we know beating donald trump is the floor, not the ceiling. >> when all in starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. well, it looks like we are going to have the third presidential impeachment trial in history starting next week. speaker pelosi has remained secretive about the process of turning over the two articles of impeachment to the senate. refusing to make firm commitments on timing. what we do know is she's holding a caucus meeting tomorrow where she

. >> so parnas also pushed back at president trump's claim that he does not know parnas and igor fruman. here's the president back in october. >> i don't know those gentlemen. now, it's possible i have a picture with them because i have a picture with everybody. i have a picture with everybody here, but somebody said there may be a picture or something at a fundraiser or somewhere. but i have pictures with everybody. i don't know if there's anybody i don't have pictures with. i don't know them. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do. but i don't know, maybe they were clients of rudy. you would have to ask rudy. i just don't know. >> he lied. i mean, we're not friends. i mean, when you say friends, i mean, me and knew exactly who we were, he ae on one conversations at gatherings, where they would have round tables, six people at a table. we had several of those. >>> mike pence and what parnas claims was the vice president's role in the scheme. let's start with the message parnas was told to deliver to ukraine about making that announcement of an investigation into the bidens.

fruman, igor fruman, "i don't know those gentlemen. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do." you're saying that was not a true statement from the president? >> he lied. he knew exactly who we were. he knew exactly who i was especially because i interacted with him at a lot of events. >> parnas has turned over a trove of documents and phone records and text messages and photos to the house related to the work he and rudy were doing in ukraine, apparently in the name of and at the direction of the white house. last night investigators released some of that evidence including a note about the ukraine president and investigations into the bidens, a letter from giuliani to the same president requesting a meeting and texts that our former ambassador to ukraine was being surveilled, monitored. hundreds of new pages of documents from parnas were released just tonight. they include documents that seem to refer to efforts by parnas and giuliani to pressure ukrainian president zelensky. there's a juliet 3rd text in there from parnas that reads, "trying to get

a report that back in april of 2018 the president had dinner with lev parnas and with his partner, igor fruman. the president was told that the former ambassador to the ukraine, marie yovanovitch had been bad-mouthing him to which the president allegedly said in response, get rid of her. get her out tomorrow. i don't care, get her out tomorrow. take her out. do it. it's unclear who the president was giving that direction to. in an exclusive interview to air on the ingram angle tonight, the president was asked if he was talking to lev parnas about it. listen here. >> were you telling parnas to get rid of her? you're head of state department. >> i probably wouldn't have said that. i said rudy, there's something. i make no bones about it. i have every right. i want ambassadors that are chosen by me. i have a right to hire and fire ambassadors. >> the press secretary stephanie grisham tweeted out, every president in our history has had to place people that support his policies in his administration. i spoke to a source everier today, bill, that was familiar with the recording that was made

and last week a tape surfaced in menacing tones with two of his indicted henchmen, lev parnas and igor fruman. do you remember these two guys if you have trouble remembering who's who, lev is the hot one. [ laughter ] now you might remember that trump has repeatedly claimed he doesn't know these two guys, which is obviously a lie, given how often trump has had to say it >> sir, what conversations have you had with lev parnas and igor fruman? >> i don't know those gentlemen. i don't know them. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do. i will say this, parnas i don't know i don't know him i don't know anything about him. well, i don't know him i don't know parnas. i don't know him at all. don't know what he's about don't know where he comes from know nothing about him i don't know him i don't believe i've ever spoken to him but i don't know him i've never had a conversation that i remember with him i don't need the help of a man that i never met before. i don't even know who this man is no, i don't know him, i know nothing about him. >> seth: when you have to say you've never m

fruman, igor fruman, "i don't know those gentlemen. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do." you're saying that was not a true statement from the president? >> he lied. he knew exactly who we were. he knew exactly who i was especially because i interacted with him at a lot of events. >> parnas has turned over a trove of documents and phone records and text messages and phototo the house related to the work he and rudy were doing in ukraine, apparently in the name of and at the direction of the white house. last night investigators released some of that evidence including a note about the ukraine president and investigations into the bidens, a letter from giuliani to the same president requesting a meeting and texts that our formser ambassador to ukraine was being surveilled, monitored. hundreds of new pages of documents from parnas were released just tonight. they include documents that seem to refer to efforts by parnas and giuliani to pressure ukrainian president zelensky. there's a juliet 3rd text in there from parnas that reads, "trying to get

that's what that guy, igor parnas, was tasked to do for giuliani in service -- lev parnas, in service of this president. now, was it worthy of impeachment? arguments both way. removal. arguments both way. we'll start hearing them. wrong. how is it not wrong? will they maintain that posture? let's bring in counselor kellyanne conway. good to have you. >> good evening. >> thank you for taking the time. so, let's deal a little bit with process and then to substance. the senate is saying, we don't know if we want witnesses. if the president has people at the top who haven't testified yet, who supposedly clear him of any wrongdoing, why wouldn't you want them, in the face of this new information, why wouldn't you want it vetted for people? >> well, christopher, thanks for having me. first of all, that's not how american jurisprudence works. you don't try to prove your innocence if you've not been proven guilty. and we don't need to present witnesses. maybe they will, maybe they won't. we'll respect the process in the senate however it unfolds. we do feel the senate process will be, one, mo