om>> we are joined by frank buckley, back at our desk george mason university law professor author of his latest book "american secession" the looming threat of national breakup". you argue in this book that secession is a lot closer than we think in today's america, woody-based argument on? >> partly it's my experience. i moved here from canada and i went to all of this before and i remember at one point this was something nobody talked about and a few years later we are having referendum and it nearly passes. when a very divided country. in many ways it resembles the country i left. he began to wonder whether or not we might not just be better off with two separate countries.it's not what i want, actually i feel a little bit like the skunk in ofthe garden party, all these people have been talking about great presidents and hearing them talk you out of breakup. ultimately i'm not arguing for secession it's just the opposite i'm saying it's a real threat and we should think about that. maybe turn down the volume a little bit. >> a passage from your book we are less united today than w

host: frank buckley is our guest. the book is american secession, the looming threat of a national breakup takes a discussion point for this hour of the washington journal today. you can join us as you have all morning long on the phone lines split up regionally. 202-748-8000 in the eastern or central time zone. 202-748-8001 if you are in the mountain or pacific time zones. we will keep that text line open. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, [no audio]00 . -- 8003. caller: good morning. threat wee greatest have right now is that we have constitution to reflect the times of the day. the constitution was written by man. man is fallible. it's not the bible. it's very easy for russia to come in to interfere in our elections for example. we have this electoral college what we look at seven states that you really have to go and get -- campaign. to win the presidency. those states have less educated people. they are very easy to fool or gullible. not -- those people are we need a national election, t

. >> host: frank buckley, are we to nations or are we different than we think we are? >> guest: "the new york times" or the "washington post" you are reading stories by people and of people very different from other parts of the country. i think that they could still get along but i think that the speaker hits on something very important namely that it's very psychological. there was a convention in a state tried to patch it together. they thought it's crazy we don't want to go to war with work things out. remarkably, the northerners offered slavery and the constitution. the most anti-slavery people said we will make it so that it will only speak a part of our u.s. constitution. abraham lincoln said he would go along with that at one of the southern delegates said that is not enough. you also have to respect us. you have to respect into the northerners said no, we can't do that. that need for respect is always there and never more than today and i think it fuels a lot of our politics and people do that either extreme. >> host: the book is american secession the looming

host: frank buckley is our guest. the book is american secession, the looming threat of a national breakup takes a discussion point for this hour of the washington journal today. you can join us as you have all morning long on the phone lines split up regionally. 202-748-8000 in the eastern or central time zone. 202-748-8001 if you are in the mountain or pacific time zones. we will keep that text line open. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, [no audio]00 . -- 8003. caller: good morning. threat wee greatest have right now is that we have constitution to reflect the times of the day. the constitution was written by man. man is fallible. it's not the bible. it's very easy for russia to come in to interfere in our elections for example. we have this electoral college what we look at seven states that you really have to go and get -- campaign. to win the presidency. those states have less educated people. they are very easy to fool or gullible. not -- those people are we need a national election, t

om>> we are joined by frank buckley, back at our desk george mason university law professor author of his latest book "american secession" the looming threat of national breakup". you argue in this book that secession is a lot closer than we think in today's america, woody-based argument on? >> partly it's my experience. i moved here from canada and i went to all of this before and i remember at one point this was something nobody talked about and a few years later we are having referendum and it nearly passes. when a very divided country. in many ways it resembles the country i left. he began to wonder whether or not we might not just be better

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