you'll have rick santorum talking later in the program, i think, about what a loss it was for him when he won and he -- it was 30 days later. generally out of the race by then. so everything shifted to new hampshire. they lost it. but you know what? they're going to go and have to win new hampshire. and if you look at the polls, bernie sanders and pete buttigieg are at the top of the polls. they're going to fight it again there. >> pete buttigieg was certainly robbed of what would be quite a story. even tying bernie sanders would have been a giant deal. it was robbed of that. but then for a day, he was holding a slim but notable lead in the iowa caucuses. right? but then it turns out -- i guess the question is now what? what and how can the candidates expect the race to go? i want you to note that elizabeth warren is close to call to the top. what do you see here? >> so the challenge was if you had a crisp, clean result on monday night, you know, whoever won bernie or pete would have benefitted. the whole thing got buried under the story if you were just talking about the real challeng

cup, kirsten powers, rick santorum. kirsten, i don't know if the white house is happy about the timeline but they've got to be happy with the end results. >> yeah, well, i mean this was the result that they always wanted, they wanted to be able to say that he was acquitted, and so he could go out and tell everybody, you know, ignore what happened over in the house, the senate acquitted me but the democrats, i think, are going to continue to hit hard. john kelly is not a democrat, and same message he has, which is, i mean, were you really acquitted, it wasn't a trial, it was a bunch of speeches, basically, there weren't any witnesses and someone who worked for you offered to come up and speak directly to these issues and, you know, basically the people representing you weren't interested. so i think it's hard for them to really represent this as an exoneration. he's technically acquitted, that's true, but he hasn't been exonerated. >> senator santorum were you surprised mcconnell wasn't able to wrap this up tonight? >> i

mitt romney instead of rick santorum. i understand the democrats need to count accurately although there are problems with that but they dropped the ball. >> so for years from now does that in any way change the dynamics for iowa or new hampshire being first? >> the nightmare scenario for new hampshire is democrats lose the election to donald trump the party out of power typically goes back to looks at the nomination process to say how can we tinker with this to look at the nomination process it might not just be iowa that falls out i'm sure there are democrats that want to make greater changes and iowa new hampshire have a joined at the hip for so long a lot of democrats see that as the two for but then if we look at iowa then also new hampshire. >> could that happen? >> we are a fierce defender of the primary and our law allows the secretary of state to only schedule first. the worry is the democratic party decided to penalize candidates who campaigned in new hampshire despite the fact if they refuse to move the primary

days later, the victory 16 officially went to rick santorum by 34. what happens and what has the state done to fortify itself against this happening again? david: well what happened is rick santorum was cheated. he won and did not get credit for it. what is the caucus victory? it is media attention. it is money you raise off that momentum. to be denied that on opening night, you cannot come back two weeks later and take back the time magazine cover you got. so he was really cheated and that was a sad episode. it's the caucuses have always been criticized for the convoluted counting system. it is complicated and not a primary, which is very clean. you go in and vote and the numbers are counted. these are straw votes on the republican side. in other it, they put a slip of paper in a box and then count it. the democratic side is initial preferences. and delegates. it is confusing. there are a few thousand precincts and all kinds of opportunities for counting to go wrong. that is one of the criticisms that has been made from both parties. they have both

rick santorum didn't have much money, mitt romney did. rick santorum said, maybe i would have another shot. >> he was never able to keep the money going long enough to see what happened when the party changed its mind. the only thing we did see was significant upheaval in the iowa republican party after that huge mistake. it's still something that parties talk about a lot on the ground and you're likely to see something similar. >> i'm fascinated by this decision in the sense that the party last night knew it was under fire. the party last night knew it had a problem, and they pulled back and said, look, what's most important is the integrity of the process, what's most important is that when we do this, we do this right. that would seem to lead you to full comprehensive results and then some keihne ind of a brief say they went back in the process and triple verified. now they're going to release in four hours some partial results. it's risky. >> not only will they release partial results, but officials are going to various precincts and

and then 16 days later, the victory officially went to rick santorum by 34. what happened and what has the state done to fortify itself against this happening again? host: what happened was rick santorum was cheated. he won and did not get the credit for it. what is the caucus victory? it is media attention, money you raise off the momentum and to be denied that on opening night, you cannot come back two weeks later and take back the time magazine cover you got. so he was really cheated and that was a sad episode. the caucuses have always been criticized for the convoluted counting system, it is complicated, it is not a primary which is very clean even when you vote. the numbers are counted. these votes are strabo's on the republican side. they put a slip of paper in a box and then count it. the democratic side, is initial preferences and delegates. there are a couple thousand precincts. there's all kinds of opportunities for accounts to go wrong. that is one of the criticisms that has been made. both parties in the state have tried to get it right and accura

mitt romney instead of rick santorum. i understand iowa democrats need to count accurately, though there are problems with that as well, but i think they dropped the ball. thatur years from now does change the dynamics for iowa and new hampshire being first with the caucuses in iowa in the primary in new hampshire? >> the nightmare scenario for new hampshire is if the democrats lose the election to trump.a party out of power typically goes back and looks at the nomination process and says how can we tinker with this to produce a better nominee in 2024? a commissionset up to look at the process and open the box, it might not just be iowa who falls out. i'm sure there will be democrats who want to make greater changes. iowa and new hampshire have been joined at the hip for so long. i think a lot of democrats see it as a twofer. they will say we are not only going to get rid of iowa, we are going to look at new hampshire as well. >> could that happen with your secretary of state? >> we have a secretary of state who is a fier

mitt romney instead of rick santorum. i understand iowa democrats need to count accurately, though there are problems with that as well, but i think they dropped the ball. >> i ask that because four years from now, does that change the dynamics for iowa and new hampshire being first with the caucuses in iowa in the primary in new hampshire? dr. scala: i think the nightmare scenario for new hampshire is if the democrats lose the election to donald trump. the party out of power typically goes back and looks at the nomination process and says how can we tinker with this to produce a better nominee in 2024? if democrats set up a commission to look at the nomination process and open the box, it might not just be iowa who falls out. i'm sure there will be democrats that want to make greater changes, and iowa and new hampshire have been joined at the hip for so long. a lot of democrats i think see it as a twofer. they will say we are not only going to get rid of iowa, we are going to look at new hampshire as well. >> could that

mitt romney instead of rick santorum. i understand iowa democrats need to count accurately, although there are problems with that as well. but i think they dropped the ball. >> so i asked that because four years from now does that in any way change the dynamics for iowa and new hampshire being first with the caucuses in iowa and the primary new hampshire? >> i think the nightmare scenario for new hampshire is if the democrats lose the election to donald trump, a party out of power typically goes back and looks at the nomination process and says how can we tinker with this to protas a better nominee in 2024? if democrats set up a commission to look at the nomination process and they open the box, it might not just be iowa who falls out. but i am sure there will be democrats who want to make greater changes and iowa and new hampshire have been joined at the hip for so long, a lot of democrats see it as a twofer. they might say we will get rid of i love that we will at new hampshire as well. >> cadet happen here with your se

andrew gillom, rick santorum, rick. did i say mitch landrieu? >> i did or did not? >> you did. >> okay. wanted to make sure. want to get him the right treatment. this is what i didn't expect. i feel and most people do, that pete buttigieg, got, right? he got hosed. >> it depends if he won or not. if he didn't win, he had a great night. he went out and claimed he won. >> he did come out on top. >> as someone who can tell you from experience, who lost the iowa caucuses by eight votes, winning is better than losing by eight votes. >> two weeks later, it makes a difference, whether he won or not. particularly for bernie. and bernie won and looks to be well ahead in new hampshire. he wins iowa and new hampshire, the train is running. >> that speaks to why. tonight was a shame. it was handled so poorly. it never should have handled that way. for this to turn out this way and not have any winners is tough. >> the only winner is the state of florida. we've been replaced by the grate state of iowa. it's unfortunate that so many people put not only time, resources and effort,

mitt romney left as the winner but rick santorum won. this goes back to the demonstrates, bernie sanders and hillary clinton. sanders people said we won. we don't have the raw vote. we'll see if we have it. you get three different alignments you call them. one is popular vote. one is after the realign the caucus. the other one is the delegate number. connell: which is truly the winner, the last one. >> you know what would be beautiful from a political nerd? connell: yeah. i knew you were going to say that. >> contested convention. what could be better if. connell: we've been looking at that one for years. thanks for hanging with us my friend. bret baier here in iowa. as we continue from here, this area has been hopping to put it mildly in days leading up to caucuses this evening. we found out visiting local businesses in person. they're soaking up, cashing in on all this extra attention. >> once every four years des moines is the epicenter of the political world. we love it. connell: teddy is a hit. although it is one of restaurateur chr

santorum dealt with that as well. >> it also allows candidates who, vice president biden is painting this as -- you know, he's in the top four, that they believe they did well. it allows candidates who didn't do so well to paint themselves as having done better than they thought and by the time results are out, people will have kind of moved on. it kind of lessens the blow on that. and it hurts -- this was supposed to be a major -- a lot of candidates can fund-raise off winning in iowa, or getting the top two in iowa. it prevents them from doing that. there's two big things. it's what we say. it's the media coverage writ large for the candidates and the ability to fund-raise. you don't have that narrative to tell in the morning after going to new hampshire. it's not a lot of time. what all the candidates are saying today doesn't matter. they might as well be on a debate stage. it's all speculation. they don't know what the results are. elizabeth warren's basically trying to say joe biden was the big loser here because it's the top three as we always knew it would be. what i suspect w

some perspective from former republican presidential candidate rick santorum. cnn legal analyst carrie cordero who served at the office of the director of national intelligence. is ambassador grenell qualified to be acting director of the national intelligence? >> he's not, anderson. this is a pretty outrageous appointment as acting dni. if we look at the past five senate confirmed individuals who served as direct osh of national intelligence they had decades of intelligence, military, or diplomatic experience. some of those different characteristics combined. they were individuals who were extremely knowledgeable about the intelligence community. this is -- the intelligence community is a $60 billion plus enterprise. it's not something that one just picks up as you go along on the job and really his qualifications, he's the ambassador and has a little bit of experience in terms of being a consumer of intelligence but beyond that, my understanding of his resume is he is a communications professional and someone who would be more attune to being a spokesperson a

santorum one of the most conservative republicans from pennsylvania he was on this bill with me and then after he left the senate i had senator vitter from louisiana another very conservative senator so it turns out that when it comes to humane treatment of animals and dogs in particular this is very bipartisan if a bill like pops went to the floor of the house of the senate here would be an overwhelming yea vote for the measure there would be $9095.00 yes votes in the senate you know would be $400.00 or so yes votes in the house out of $435.00 the problem is on an a wall for legislation the congress is that many of the bills we get track to the house and senate committees on agriculture and those committees are populated by the most rural lawmakers allied with the biggest agribusiness interests in the united states. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and tal

it was rick santorum. so romney, who was already falling in the polls while gingrich was surging had to endure a story that, oh, by the way, he lost iowa. romney instead of opening two of the first three, lost two of the first three. he ended up surviving but that's what happened then. the example that comes to mind on the democratic side, the last time we saw this, we saw this in 2016 obviously where overnight 2 looked like hillary clinton was going to win and the next day she was declaired the winner. the only other example, back to 1988, at this point in 1988, there was no winner declared on the democratic side. it was a tight race between richard gephardt and paul simon. they went on the "today" show in the morning. they said it looks like gephardt is winning but we can't put the check mark there. what that allowed doing was gephardt to keep going, allowed simon to keep going, and it was a disorderly democratic race that went on for some time. part of the reason that race went on for some time in 1988

it's two weeks until we found out that senator rick santorum of pennsylvania had won. we thought on the night it was mitt romney. we will wait to see what the final result is, and that will give us a sense of how it affects theace. one thing is pretty clear here,b that jen has had a very hard time. he will argue that iowa was never finally, the fourth whitest place in the country. he says that in south carolina, he is ry pular amongst black voters and he will do much better. but iowa has a habit of spotting candidates who are underperforming, and if you saw joeen 's stump speech in iowa over the past, weeany people have been shked by the incomplete thoughts, the stumbling whether he delivers it, the lack of ergy. there are some people who are thinking that the former vice president may have donet bad, but it is one contest ny more are to come. jane: indeed,, a long way to go before november. nick bryant, thank you for joining me.the chaos in iowa coe president prepares to deliver his state of the union. he will be addressinghe same lawmakers who impeached him last year

santorum one of the most conservative republicans from pennsylvania he was on the spot with me and then after he left the senate i had senator vitter from louisiana another very conservative senator so it turns out that when it comes to humane treatment of animals and dogs in particular this is very bipartisan if a bill like pops went to the floor of the house of the senate it would be an overwhelming yea vote for the measure it would be $9095.00 yes votes in the senate you know be $400.00 or so yes votes in the house out of $430.00 but the problem is on an a wall for legislation the congress is that many of the bills get track to the house and senate committees on agriculture and those committees are populated by the most rural lawmakers aligned with the biggest agribusiness interests in the united states. and we're going to fulfill the to prove this is a positive for the people and come out to be you know we've all pots. pretty rough. cut. pretty good bertha now you want to 1st correct that. no. ball. cut cut. ross you state television propaganda machine propaganda outlet propaganda t

i can tell you in my former life i was the communications director for the rick santorum campaign that was just mentioned there. everyone knows the amount of front pages he received after winning iowa, whether it be periodicals or magazines, newspapers, et cetera, websites, you can't put a price tag on that. if someone is robbed of that ability, that obviously is a problem moving into the next primary state. it's a little rocky and rough over there in iowa right now, but retail politics is on display at its best and finest in iowa. i'm from south carolina, one of the other early primary states. you have to do hand-to-hand combat with your opponents but also talk to real voters out there who are going to be impacted by the very policies you are pushing. that's important, that's one of the reasons donald trump was able to win, because he was able to have those conversations. that's why he's in this building right now. we expect them to be there regardless of whoever wins iowa, regardless of who becomes the democratic nominee. >> harris: let's move on if we can pray the president is set t

and i'm sure rick santorum doesn't even believe that. there's no scenario where republicans were going to go -- do anything against the president. and the thing is, it's true. some of them are trying to save their own seats, but you know, a lot of them aren't up for re-election for quite some time. so this is -- >> which is the whole idea of the senate, by having six-year terms, you're -- >> it's supposed to be this sort of cooling mechanism, right? and here you have people who won't go against donald trump because he has so re-made this party in his image that it is now the party of donald trump and they won't do anything, you know, facts be damned, to go against him. and so the real focus has been on process. that they didn't like the process. but something really terrible has happened here. and to focus on process rather than focusing on the fact that you have somebody like john bolton who could testify. and frankly, i wish we could put pat cipollone under oath, as well, right? because he's a witness. and, you know, they've been stand

it's two weeks until we found out that senator rick santorum of pennsylvania hadon. we thought on the night it was mitt romney. wl wait to see what the final result is, and that will give us a sense of ew it affects race. one thing is pretty clear here, that joe biden has had a very hard time. he will argue that iowa was never finally, tt fourth whitlace in the country. he says that in south carolina, he is very popular amongst black voters and he will do much better. but iowa has a habit of spotting candidates who are underperforming, ae if you saw biden's stump speech in iowa over the past weeks, many people have been shocked by the incomplete thoughts, the stumbling whether he delivers it, the lack of energy. there are some people who are thinking that the former vice prident may have done it bad, but it is one contest and many more are to come. jane:, indee a long way to go before november. nick bryant, thank you for joining me. the chaos in iowa comes as the present prepares to deliver his state of the union. he will be addressing the same lawmakers who impeache

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santorum one of the most conservative republicans from pennsylvania he was on the spot with me and then after he left the senate i had senator vitter from louisiana another very conservative senator so it turns out that when it comes to humane treatment of animals and dogs in particular this is very bipartisan if a bill like pops went to the floor of the house of the senate it would be an overwhelming yea vote for the measure there would be $9095.00 yes votes in the senate you know be $400.00 or so yes votes in the house out of $435.00 the problem is on an a wall for legislation the congress is that many of the bills get track to the house and senate committees on agriculture and those committees are populated by the most rural lawmakers aligned with the biggest agribusiness interests in the united states. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see that. child's seemed wrong on one old rule just all. the world to get to shape our disdain becomes to add to it and engagement equals betra

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santorum one of the most conservative republicans from pennsylvania he was on this bill with me and then after he left the senate i had senator vitter from louisiana another very conservative senator so it turns out that when it comes to humane treatment of animals and dogs in particular this is very bipartisan if a bill like pops went to the floor of the house of the senate it would be an overwhelming yea vote for the measure it would be $9095.00 yes votes in the senate you know be 400 or so yes votes in the house out of 435 the problem is on animal welfare legislation the congress is that many of the bills you get track to the house and senate committees on agriculture and those committees are populated by the most rural lawmakers aligned with the biggest agribusiness interests in the united states. donald trump might to be a showy and shallow but he is once again defied his critics this time by securing his impeachment acquittal what is it about the 45th president of the united states that makes people love and hate him so. because there's survival guide up stacy just like all th

remember back when the republican caucus technically won that night, when rick santorum technically won, not great it landed. >> a wonderful example that we are talking about here, when it was momentum, didn't get it. we never know how that race would have kicked off, even if he won narrowly. >> second behind sanders, is that the surprise of the night, the boost that he needs? >> the boost he needs to do what? the winner here and iowa, he won new hampshire. >> foot is the boost the alternative? >> there are some things with buttigieg's numbers, super tuesday up and away and early, i think that would be hard, i think the big surprise would be in a global shark, and doing really badly, this is where she put all of it, all of her chips and iowa, if she is pulling there at 0.1%, betting odds on only, the rural counties, they don't have the >> the momentum that would take you further. >> in terms of joe biden, he's running into trouble iowa twice before trying to become president of the united states. and i just have to keep emphasizing that we don't have these numbers and yet so we are spec

louis gohmert, rick santorum former center now cnn contributor is also there. the president is due out any minute. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> and the president was scheduled to begin at noon,, about 15 minutes ago. we will terry at live and take calls after he's finished to get your reaction. this september we have been collecting at c-span.org/impeachment everything related to this process. you can see all the news conferences, all hearings, et cetera, et cetera. c-span.org/impeachment. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible

santorum could be a surprise he ended up beating mitt romney in winning so what's going to happen well we know that donald trump is going to win the republican side even though his 2 points are here campaigning that's a foregone conclusion what's going to happen on the democratic side well if you look at the latest polls bernie sanders is subject he's definitely has the momentum he looks like the front runner joe biden has dropped back a bit in the last couple of days elizabeth warren she's doing very well people expect her to finish in the top 3 and then with 1110 other candidates who are here michael bloomberg didn't register in time to get into the race in iowa it's going to be a bit of a battle people but a judge has to finish in the top 4 or for him his political ambitions are all done and the person to watch the state always through is opposite price i would suggest is him equal bashar who is a senator from the next door state people in the border areas know her very well because she's on t.v. there all the time and that leaks over into iowa and also in the last 3 polls hard numb

it took 16 games to name rick santorum the winner in 2012. i don't remember anybody on this network?-- >> laura: i did. i was torched. >> this is not unique to democrats. >> laura: you are comparing that to this? >> it's pointless to seize upon who won by point this or that. it's a question of how many delegates you get in the national convention. there are not real world consequences. >> laura: what you were in the race and you put your heart and soul into any state iowa or whatever state. it's 3 days later, you are at the next contest already. the narrative is being written. poor biden is in number 4. it's unsettling. it's more important now because the democrats are railing about the corruption in the 2016 election. now there are a lot of democrats think this was corrupt. >> that's right. back to santorum and romney it did not take this long. this has been a disaster riddle wednesday corruption and more questions than anyone has answers for. in the montage you played there was something troubling. the democrats want to blame iowa. the state being too white that was trending on twi

it took 16 games to name rick santorum the winner in 2012. i don't remember anybody on this network -- >> laura: i did. i was torched. >> this is not unique to democrats. >> laura: you are comparing that to this? >> it's pointless to seize upon who won by point this or that. it's a question of how many delegates you get in the national convention. there are not real world consequences. >> laura: what you were in the race and you put your heart and soul into any state iowa or whatever state. it's 3 days later, you are at the next contest already. the narrative is being written. poor biden is in number 4. it's unsettling. it's more important now because the democrats are railing about the corruption in the 2016 election. now there are a lot of democrats think this was corrupt. >> that's right. back to santorum and romney it did not take this long. this has been a disaster riddle wednesday corruption and more questions than anyone has answers for. in the mont age you played there was something troubling. the democrats want to blame iowa. the sta

. >> ask president rick santorum and it was only weeks later that he was declared the winner in iowa and he could have used the early boost heading into new hampshire. it's a rough thing and i think pete must have had some sort of incline that he was doing well because it would have been unsurvivable, i think. howie: they get reports reportsm different precincts, even if it works well, complicated, too many conflicting con complications. i don't think first in the nation for the democrats given how badly this embarrassed the party. mollie. >> it's going to be rough particularly for democrats, they didn't like to be first in iowa in any case, they didn't think it was representative and this adds fuel to the fire. >> i absolutely agree, sensitive issue for democrats, if anything they'll be a calendar change, multiple state that is go first and not just iowa. howie: ray, when things work well, and the people of iowa i love and they take this very serious law but still predominantly white, largely rural unrepresentative state. >> more people in brooklyn and queens than in iowa, i'm not s

santorum and mike huckabee in 2008, not nearly as successful for the republicans why do you think that is, iowa a pretty split state, they should have finger on the polls? >> quite anomaly, you can't win with it, you can't win without it in iowa, if you're like julie, bloomberg is testing that, you don't even go to iowa, you're out, you can't win the presidency but in 1980 ambassador bush beat ronald reagan for the caucus and in 1984 vice president george h.w. bush lost to robert, senator robert dole but went onto win the presidency, that was the stillbirth almost of the bush dynasty, february 8th, 1988 when the vice president came in third place, i walked george w. thank bedroom and read to him from the bible, went down there to the bar; there was laura bush saying any chance, her dad was going resign from politics but the next week he won new hampshire and won the nomination. jillian: quite a story, i'm sure you have many of them. >> many. jillian: let's talk about the voters in iowa, the opinions that matter because when you look at the democratic party you have the far-left sociali

mitt romney instead of rick santorum. i understand iowa democrats need to count accurately, though there are problems with that as well, but i think they dropped the ball. >> four years from now does that change the dynamics for iowa and new hampshire being first with the caucuses in iowa in the primary in new hampshire? >> the nightmare scenario for new hampshire is if the democrats lose the election to donald trump. a party out of power typically goes back and looks at the nomination process and says how can we tinker with this to produce a better nominee in 2024? if democrats set up a commission to look at the process and open the box, it might not just be iowa who falls out. i'm sure there will be democrats who want to make greater changes. iowa and new hampshire have been joined at the hip for so long. i think a lot of democrats see it as a twofer. they will say we are not only going to get rid of iowa, we are going to look at new hampshire as well. >> could that happen with your secretary of state? >> we have a secr

rick santorum won iowa for at the republicans in 2012. by the time the next day happened, everybody moved on to -- because they thought mitt romney won, actually santorum but doesn't matter you move so quickly to new hampshire afterwards, it's almost an afterthought. i think biden -- i'm sorry -- bernie will win but biden's challenge is not to come in third or fourth or down the list a ways and as long as he is competitive he is set up well for not necessarily new hampshire but north carolina later. -- or south carolina. >> karl. >> i'm with james that this is going to overwhelm the democratic apparatus and this requirement you sew up to 1,681 precincts and i your candidate doesn't have 15% you get to go home or change your mind and go with somebody else. that's going to cause this night to be very long. i do disagree with james. i'm more with jeff on this. the senator is right. i think it's going to be relatively close. going to be at least three, probably four and could even be five candidates who get delegates, 41 delegates. not be sur

. >> and rick santorum, not only did you anticipate that president trump would be fully acquitted, but that did not come close to super majorities and so a majority voted to acquit him on both counts and not only did you anticipate that but you would have voted to acquit him as well? >> yes, i respect that people could look at the sets of situations and look at the law, in other words, look at what the constitutional standard is as happened in 1999 and people said, you know, even if we dispute the facts, and some people in 1999 said it rose to level of conviction and some not. and people can come to different conclusions, but the idea that mitt romney's decision was depositive, i don't think it is. nancy pelosi is right, donald trump has, and will be forever impeached, but bill clointon remind you that donald trump will forever be acquitted and that acquittal has meant a lot more to bill clinton than the impeachment, and that is the case here. so i think that donald trump will be re-elected which is going to make that acquittal much more demonstrative and the impeachment less important

with rick santorum we didn't have the results. >> these will be the first votes in the nation. in the future. >> this is a historic day. this is the last day that iowa and new hampshire will be the one, two. 48 years this iowa new hampshire and dominated the early stages of the race. it's almost inconceivable they will be again. it will be new hampshire first. probably followed by a diverse state. by law it's reflective of the political culture. which is so protective of the idea of being first. >> and loves to turn things on its head and be unpredictable. i love dix ville notch. >> extension of it's a wonderful life. >> it remind you of the inn in white christmas. tap dancing through the ballroom. >> similar idea. >> it's really interesting a guy not on the ballot here. who is now proving that maybe money can buy you. >> we talked about this. i tell you my one woman focus group is my mother. in louisiana. who said she was all in on biden. and goes but if that's not if that doesn't happen, i have to say it's bloomberg. i said, mom, why? there's a whole thing about african-ameri

and rick santorum and lost all that opportunity to seize the momentum coming out of iowa even though he won more delegates. >> bret: it's not exactly analogous though. this is kind of a bigger -- >> well, not yet it's not, because they haven't reported the wrong candidate. i would argue that was a much bigger problem if you're going to actually report the wrong candidate, so that's why i'm saying -- >> bret: if you are the former vice president, one of the leading candidates writing -- was counsel's writing a really scathing letter to the iowa democratic party saying you screw this up and you told us nothing and he releases it to the media, that's just not a good look. >> you're right, it's not a good look. it also makes me wonder how much confidence the biden campaign has in its performance tonight if they're out there saying -- >> martha: that point. >> but i would argue that they need to drown out all the noise, fix the problem, get the right number out as soon as they possibly can, but do not rush it. because you don't want what happened to the republicans last time. >> bret: cle

and two weeks later, they realized that rick santorum had won. the issue is that the iowa caucus is really -- it's a mechanism from a kind of almost a pre-mass democracy age. you know? and i think that, you know, this process, which, you know, has its charms, it's a communal way of selecting a candidate, i think it's under strain in an age of mass party democracy. the extent that people take iowa seriously in the future is seriously in doubt. the process that we see in new hampshire, which is a normal election, where people cast a ballot, people will have more confidence in that process. >> just a footnote to the 2012 result, they gave it to santorum. he missed out on the front-runner status. and then, ron paul, father of rand paul, had won the most votes. it was a bit of a disaster in 2012. it was close in 2016. and a disaster for democrats this year. let's look at what's happening in washington right now. you have nancy pelosi, we've had this situation with the national prayer breakfast, exchanging insults with donald trump. there's hostility b

about -- >> not from the democrats as much as -- look, rick santorum was here last night. i'm old enough to remember when he had to wait two weeks, in 2012 to get his results on the iowa caucuses. and so every year it is sort of like, well -- >> they recognize, i think, iowa recognizes -- >> i don't think iowa recognizes. i was texting last night with the former chairman of the iowa democratic party who said very clearly this isn't about iowa, this is a glitch, people should wait a day, there are -- >> that's not -- this is a -- can i just -- >> the democratic party this is the question. when will the democratic party decide -- >> this seems to me, though, this seems to me like a second order issue because that is going to be litigated after this election. there is an election going on here. and the question is, where are we coming out of this thing. >> you said the word glitch. i just want to point out that when you look at the advertising for this app that failed, one of the big points was it is a low cost solution by a not for profit organization. i love not for profit

two weeks later, sorry, rick santorum won the iowa caucuses. all the issues last time with bernie sanders and hillary clinton. sanders camp said we're pretty sure we won the popular vote. the state saying we're not sure. we didn't keep track of that. people deciding things with a coin flip. we saw that happen this time. there has been a slow build to this moment. but what has happened here, that was an effort to fix all of that. not only did not work. it seemed like it made problems much more confusing, messy than they have been in the past. every campaign official staffer i spoken to, they are all so unbelievably frustrated. they keep saying the same thing. they think it is insane and it has been a mess. neil: probably two understatements there. ellison, great reporting as always. >>> despite no results just yet, a lot of candidates are claimings, well a lot of victory ies in iowa. take take a itch a good feeling we'll do well in iowa. >> it is too close to call. i tell you what i do know. >> you won. >> our indication it will be close. we'll

santorum. that's really what a lot of these campaigns are in this for at this point. >> thank you both very much. joining us now to take a closer look at this. florida republican congressman david jolly. and washington post columnist eugene robinson. and walid shahid, a former senior adviser to andrea ocasio-cortez. there's never a single thing, right? it's a disaster, it means a bunch of stuff failed. one thing that struck me last night, i've covered caucuses before, they're -- you know, the meat of them usually takes about 30 minutes or so. as we're on air last night, we have live shots up in the caucuses. in is going longer than i thought. what was your impression last night? >> it did go longer. part of it was, they were trying to make sure some of the problems they were criticized for in the past didn't happen again. they didn't want anybody to have questions about the results. they have these preference cards that one by one, the guy who was running the operation, went around and literall

and rick santorum, you are man of faith and mitt romney spoke about his faith of why he would vote for one article of impeachment to remove the president from office and listen to this. >> i take an oath before god as enormously consequential. i knew from the outset that being tasked of judging the president, the leader of my own party would be the most difficult decision i have ever faced. i was not wrong. the grave question that the constitution tasks the senators to answer is whether the president committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a high cream and misdemeanor. yes, he did. i am sure to hear abuse from the president and his supporters. does anyone seriously believe that i would consent to these consequences other than from an inescapable conviction that my oath before god demanded it of me. >> what did you think? >> look, i respect that. you have heard me say it throughout the entire process that reasonable people can disagree on article one as to whether the circumstances surrounding article one was an abuse of power or rose to the level that th

in 2012 we thought mitt romney won that caucus and, in fact, rick santorum actually won. people don't remember that. romney got the buzz and momentum. with no clear results, it matters who can push ahead of the pack in terms of buzz. >> that is such an important point. part of it, if you're not a candidate like bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, a candidate that relies more heavily on big named donors or wallet donors you need that money to go forward. joe biden was' campaign people were looking at and say boy, they need some money. >> get to the root of the concern around the biden campaign right now. it's not so much whether they can amass the delegates they need. they still have some belief they can do that on paper. it's whether they can support and finance the campaign that's necessary to do so. we have three of these four on tests remaining, kicking off his new hampshire campaign here this afternoon. he's going to be here all week, he said, fighting for every vote. he feels good about iowa and his firewall as he calls it. i think the campaign is hard at work to try

rick santorum on all these blue-collar issues. on immigration, trade, to china and you were there at the beginning and romney kind of stumbled into it and try to pretend he was a blue-collar guy who was kind of, it didn't connect. where is he? i like thurston and i probably shouldn't compare him to thurston right now but you were a leader in this and without you, i don't know if we would have trump today so thank you for everything you have done for the country and we appreciate it. up ahead, aoc can't hansh limbaugh getting the presidential medal of freedom and nancy pelosi turns off voters. it is seen and unseen. you do not want to miss raymond arroyo tonight. next. ♪ >> laura: it's time for seen and unseen where we expose the big cultural stories of the day. one of the biggest was the presidential medal of freedom given to rush limbaugh during the state of the union. but from the left there were yells of protest. >> talking about putting someone on the same level as rosa parks. rush limbaugh is a racist. >> i'm sorry, i thoug

santorum had actually gotten the most votes. they're trying to do it right. it's also a reminder how serious we need to take the election process at a time our election is trying to be manipulated by other people. but, look, did we think it was going to be an i-a-wait or an i-a-what? >> joe, given the chaos in iowa does this change the momentum in new hampshire? is that a redo? you've been around a long time. what is going to happen today? >> the interesting thing is always by about 10:00, 11:00 at night everything moves to new hampshire including the candidates so when we saw amy klobuchar and others arriving. so new hampshire will take over by mid to late this afternoon. but without the traditional winners and losers. and, you know, it just kind of scrambles things a little bit, but i have to say people are talking about the fate of the iowa caucuses. i think this is manageable. we'll know by this afternoon. what really struck me last night in watching is all i saw was white people caucusing, and that really is a problem for d

santorum and kerry porderro. senator santorum, shouldn't the president be concerned that russia's meddling in the 2020 elections like they did in 2016 and calling it a democratic hoax? >> well, you know, i think he should be concerned and i believe he is concerned. i think he's concerned that this information is being fed out there and that it leads to exactly what your previous guests had talked about. dissension and conflict between democrats an republicans. and i think the president unfortunately played into that. i think you've seen democrats react the same way. some. at least the ones running for president. president the same way, sort of trying to sew dissension which accomplishes exactly what the russians hope to do, which is to sew doubt about the validity of our elections. >> the president called this idea disinformation essentially. he said this is misinformation and the information he is -- >> the specific thing is it's helping his campaign. i don't think he's saying the russians are involved in trying

i think it was rick santorum won in 2012, and then ted cruz won in 2016, and ultimately neither got the nomination, but it has been that way a lot of times for democrats. whoever comes out of iowa, typically goes on to win the nomination, and going into new hampshire, who's going to have that head of steam going in there, and what happens is that a lot of times will give voters in south carolina and the super tuesday march 3rd states a second look, and maybe a second thought about maybe biden is not the best choice, you know, to beat donald trump. particularly if he's kind of like this kind of low brow kind of like, hey, we're going to go ahead and win, where bernie sanders and his crowds are electric all the time. that's going to be the interesting thing. when you go into new hampshire, what happens then, and that leads into south carolina where at that point, voters could start shifting to another candidate, the second choice so to speak. >> really trying to gain momentum here and set the tone for the rest of the country. >> and i was going to say really quickly there was over the wee

rick santorum has it. he went through this. this is iowa's problem. this is three straight caucuses where the result is in doubt. right? santorum, romney in '12 on the republican side. sanders, clinton in '16 and now this. i think the caucus process has outlived its usefulness. i go maybe a small d argument about why it is healthy when you're dealing with a field of 30 candidates. as far as trying basically shove iowa, we keep trying to make iowa feel more like a primary through its weird ruse and i think that's why this whole thing blew up on us. the last thing we needed to have this happen in iowa is steve kornacki do what he just did. that is a mess. that is not faith in democracy. that is always how the caucuses have worked but reporting all those extra numbers has only made that it much harder to understand. it is sort of like, you can see tell me how many home runs someone hits. their batting average. yeah. i'm interested in their slugging percentage. at some point i don't need 17 other stats in the world of an it willics and this is a case wher