stephen kinzer thank you. well away from the cia now to another arguably in from his u.s. government agency ice or immigration and customs enforcement has grown a virus in black lives matter protests continue to rage it is threatening to deport maybe every overseas student from the usa but a leading immigration lawyer and former international student is fighting back you know mcentee joins me now via skype from chicago thanks for coming on more than a 1000000 international students given the u.s. student visas nastia what on earth is being threatened against them. thanks for having the apps and i were kind of messed up hide by by this and that was actually earlier on this week at my i changed course with regard. for foreign students that were made kind of hands and essentially they said that if foreign students were go in to be studying online and morris had an online only course that's for the false master and they would not be able to do that while maintaining their their student visa status here in the u.s. now i know harvard and mit have already said they're going to s

stephen kinzer thank you. well away from the cia now to another arguably in from his u.s. government agency ice or immigration and customs enforcement has grown a virus in black lives matter protests continue to rage it is threatening to deport maybe every overseas student from the usa but only the immigration lawyer and former international student is fighting back you know to mckenty joins me now via skype from chicago thanks unified coming on more than a 1000000 international students given the u.s. student visas nastia what on earth is being threatened against them. thanks for having the apps and i were kind of messed up hide by by this i was actually earlier on this week at i changed course with regard. for foreign students that were made kind of hands and essentially they said that if foreign students were gulen to be studying online and morris had an online only course that's the false master and they would not be able to do that while maintaining their their student visa status here in the u.s. now i know harvard and mit have already said they're going to sue the t

ultra the new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this $40000000000.00 pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs you have $35.00 b.'s of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is and some kind of directed energy weaponry to target china there seems to be no aspect of public policy including how care in the united. doesn't become somehow the property are. it's true that in the bill or so. you were corona virus we find all these military programs the horrors. talked about you know they were justified. i i this concept that everybody seem to share you know that the world the freedom loving people that everywhere they see an imminent threat there was so dangerous how horrific in its scope that we must temporarily put a fi some of our priorities and some of our ethical and mora

ultra the new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this 40000000000 dollar pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs you have 35 bees of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is and some kind of directed energy weaponry to target china there seems to be no aspect of public policy including how care in the united states doesn't become somehow the property of our arms industry is true that are being built for so called response to a coronavirus we suddenly find all these military programs the horrors that playbook talked about you know they were justify why this concept that everybody seemed to share in. the world the freedom loving people everywhere made an imminent threat there was so dangerous how horrific in its scope that we might temporarily one of our of our prioritie

ultra the new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this $40000000000.00 pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs you have $35.00 b.'s of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is and some kind of directed energy weaponry to target china there seems to be no aspect of public policy including how care in the united. doesn't become somehow the property are. it's true that in the bill or so. you were coronavirus by not all these military programs the horrors that playbook talked about. were justified. why this concept that everybody seems to share you know that the world the freedom loving people that everywhere they see an imminent threat that was so dangerous how horrific in its scope that we must temporarily put us i some of our priorities and some of our ethical and moral

ultra a new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this 40000000000 dollar pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs to have 35 bees of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is and some kind of directed energy weaponry to target china there seems to be no aspect of public policy including how care in the united states that doesn't become somehow the property of our arms in this is true that are being built for so called a response to a coronavirus we suddenly find all these military programs the horrors that my book talks about you know they were justified. this concept that everybody seemed to share in the united states that the world the freedom loving people everywhere made an imminent threat that was so dangerous how horrific in its scope that we must temporarily one o

ultra a new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this $40000000000.00 pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs $35.00 b.'s of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is as some kind of directed energy weapon .

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ultra a new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this $40000000000.00 pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs you have $35.00 bees of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is and some kind of directed energy weaponry to target china there seems to be no aspect of public policy including how care. doesn't. know how the property.

welcome back i'm still here with stephen kinzer discussing the cia's so called mind control program m.k. ultra tell me about the unintended consequences the cultural consequences and does the 60s counter-culture well the irony of it has to do with the experiments that got the want to carry out ordinary people so in addition to these uses of l.s.d. is there on prisoners or on people who are unaware gottlieb also wanted to see how an ordinary person would react to a let me in a clinical setting knowing exactly what was happening so almost overnight a whole new market for l.s.d. research grew up people who'd come in and volunteer one of them with cam keys the author of what went on to become the great counterculture classic one flew over the cuckoo's nest actually he took it in a hospital and loved it so much that he got a job in the hospital in the veterans administration not the middle of our california that's what gave them the material purpose fantastic but alan ginsburg the radical poet was another of the very 1st volunteers to use the method of understood that the l.s.d. they were us