i do that, sanjay. i have been doing that for months in the fact that i'm out there in media and one of the things that the public needs to understand is that this is an evolving situation. how can i trust anybody because things change and what changes is the fact that we are in an evolving outbreak. and the things that we did not know a few months ago allowed us to at the time use the scientific information to make recommendations that were appropriate at the time and were telling us at the same time. as we learned more, things changed. it's appropriate to make changes in recommendations based on the additional knowledge that you know. a classic example of that, sanjay, that you know very well is that back then, we were not aware that 40 to 45% of people were asymptomatic. nor were we aware that a substantial proportion of people who get infected get infected from people who are without symptoms. that makes it overwhelmingly important for everyone to wear a mask. so when people say, well, why did you c

sanjay gupta. it's being seen around the world on cnn international and streamed on cnn.com. >> i cannot believe it's our 21st. the average number of new cases in the country is down since we last met, which is certainly welcome news by any measure. that said, where the numbers have settled, between 35 and 40,000 a day, is not. nor, is the new forecast from the cdc projecting as many as 217,000 deaths by october 3rd. that would be more than 25,000 americans dying from covid over the next three weeks. since our last town hall, many schools and colleges have reopened. and a number of them have seen outbreaks. several promising vagccines hav entered large-scale trials but is now on hold after a subject develop developed adverse effects. telling bob woodward how much deadlier than the flu the virus was. he said that, february 7th, to woodward. a time when taking concrete and decisive action may have saved thousands of lives. we looked at these numbers before but imposing social distancing, just a week

sanjay gupta joins us now. sanjay, it was a fascinating conversation. dr. fauci trying to urge americans goat it together now so that things don't get worse again, and i'm going to use my term being diplomatic, urging people to do things that are contrary to what the president of the united states keeps doing. >> a very unusual conversation because he by nature is a very hopeful and optimistic person that has been of benefit but this idea that so many of these deaths looking backward for a second would have been preadvancible deaths. nobody like to think about it like that because people whose families who i keep in regular touch with, who lost family members, the idea that their loved ones death is described as preventible, i mean, that's heartbreaking, right, john, but there are, as you point out, significant things that can still be done now going forward so there are not more preventible deaths. one of the big issues is still this idea of exactly how does the virus spread? i can tell you in the public health and scientific community for some time, the b

sanjay gupta. it was something to see this event last night. 3,000 people, mostly unmasked, no social distancing. and to watch you on this town hall with francis collins, the director of the nih, who was seeing this knows what's going on and clearly, clearly thinks it's wrong. so listen. >> if something that is so straight forward can somehow get twisted into decision making that really makes no sense. so i'm as a scientist, i'm pretty puzzled and rather disheartened. >> i think he's pulling the punches there, i think he's being careful with the language. jonathan reiner he called it criminal negligence. what do you think? >> yeah. i think it is. i mean, especially given now that we know what the president knew and when he knew it in terms of the danger of events like this. it was interesting. i have known dr. collins, he was my genetics professor in school and that was strong language for him. he's not very political but he said -- he made this analogy, if an alien came from another planet and sai

i love you, sanjay gupta. thank you for helping me tonight. >> love you, too. >> all right. >> you got it, buddy. we'll talk. >> i like the hair, by the way. don't let anybody make you cut it. i might need some if mine falls out. >>> we'll ping-pong between covid and kenosha. my theory is what this election is about the next 63 days, 62, 63, tell me in the control room, which is it? 63, 62, silence. whichever it is, these two issues are going to be what really forms i think a lot of your choices. so back to kenosha. we have another wisconsin official who urged the president not to come today. very interesting. while we're focused so much on the black community in kenosha, you know, wisconsin as a state is overwhelmingly white. like 87%. what does that mean in this dynamic of systemic inequality in that state and how it's being received? did you hear what happened with their legislature when the governor convened an emergency session of the legislature to look at changes that would help address what just happen

>> it just deeply puzzles me, sanjay. how do we get here? imagine you were an alien who landed on planet earth and you saw our planet was inflicted by a disease and masks were effective to prevent the spread. but some people were not wearing them and it turned out it was their political party. you would scratch your head and think this is not just a planet that has much promise for the future, if something that is so straightforward can get twisted into decision making that really makes no sense. so as a scientist, i'm pretty puzzled and rather disheartened. >> the president said we're going to have vaccines very soon, maybe such sooner than you think. he hinting at this accelerated timeline by election day. what is your assessment of a vaccine timeline? >> so as the drek toirector of national institutes of health, this is my consuming passion, and you talked to my colleague anthony fauci many times who is the expert. but we have now six vaccines that are either already in phase three trials or will be quite soon. each requiring 30,000 parti

sanjay, we have another important question. this one is for you and it comes from agnes in washington, d.c. go ahead. >> why haven't they found a cure for the coronavirus? what if there isn't a cure? >> such a good question, agnes. it is true we don't have a cure for the coronavirus yet, but doctors and scientists are working hard to create a vaccine. vaccine helps your body actually --. ♪ >> did someone say help? i, your friendly neighborhood monster hero supergrover am here to help. >> supergrover, how are you doing? it's good to see you. you know, i was just actually telling everyone how vaccines help our bodies. >> vaccines. well, you are in luck. i know all about vaccines. >> really? >> yeah. vaccines are when -- well, they're sort of like how -- you know, dr. sanjay, this is your show. i do not want to step on any toes. why do you not tell everyone what vaccines are, huh? >> i would love to, supergrover. thank you. our bodies are great at fighting off all sorts of different germs and infections. in fact, each one of us

sanjay gupta. sanjay, look, there's the social issue of what do kids lose by not being in school. that's a little bit of a separate discussion right now. but medically speaking, there is still this open question about whether or not it is safe for kids to be in the classroom. at this point, what have we learned? where do we stand on kids getting sick and kids as vectors or spreaders of the virus? >> well, we've learned a fair amount over the last few months, but i think we still don't have all the answers here. because if you look at what's happened in most places around the world, it's primarily been adults or, you know, even older teenagers who have been out and about the most. you know, younger kids are just now over the past few weeks starting to get out and about, so we just don't have the same sort of data in terms of how much these younger children may spread the virus. we do know a couple things. we do know that children can become infected with the virus. very important. becoming infected does not necessarily mean you get sick. it means you have the virus inside your body

sanjay gupta to discuss all of this. great to see you, sanjay. let's start with what admiral giroir said. he said it's utopian to think everybody should get a test every day. first of all, who is making that argument that everyone should get tested every day? and what is a realistic goal that hasn't been achieved yet as it pertains to testing? >> yeah. i think that's a really good point. first of all, it is worth reminding people that major league sports, some of these leagues and the white house do testing every day on many, many people. this isn't a total fantasy land. that does happen in sectors of our society. and i think people are right to say, well, why is that just reserved for the white house and major league sports? what about the rest of the country, essential workers, people who are trying to get back to work, schools, nursing homes? >> my husband was trying to get a test, and he was told he had to pay $500 to get the results expedited. otherwise he had to wait five to six business days. there seems to be inconsistency across the boar

sanjay gupta. sanjay, thank you very much. dwayne said his family got it from a close family friend who unwittingly infected them. it just shows that people close to you may have it and you don't know it. >> right, because you may not have symptoms. if you have symptoms, you should stay home, right? a significant amount of spread is people who don't know they have it because they don't have symptoms and then they spread it. that's been the problem almost all along, don. i think a lot of families, a lot of people who are watching right now may say, look, we're having friends over, they've been totally safe, and maybe they have been, but everybody still has to behave like they could potentially have the virus. even if you got tested, if the test was positive, you should isolate yourself. but if the test was negative, you should still behave as if you possibly have the virus because the test could come back positive the next day. so for the time being, as labor day comes up and you think about having friends over, be careful. kee

sanjay gupta and cnn political analyst, maggie haberman. she's a white house correspondent for "the new york time times". and sanjay, as much as we've been talking about the tapes from months and months and months ago, the important thing is where we are now. and what's really important, last night in this abc news town hall, the president downplayed the pandemic. let's take masks. after governors and mayors and doctor all talk about the importance of masks and people on the task force, the president all of a sudden says, i'm not listening to them, i'm listening to waiters. listen. >> now, there is, by the way, a lot of people don't want to wear masks. there are a lot of people think that masks are not good. and there are a lot of people that as an example -- >> who are those people? >> i'll tell you who those people are. waiters. they come over and serve you and they have a mask and i saw it the other day where they're serving me, and they're playing with the mask. i'm not blaming them, just saying what happens. so they're playing with a m

sanjay gupta. so, sanjay, i mean, given all we know about the virus, how it spreads, is there any way to justify holding a campaign event like this? i mean, putting -- isn't it putting people's lives, potentially, at risk? >> i mean, you know, we are dealing with a highly contagious virus. the one thing that we're told is that this virus likes to jump. you know, host to host. and when you look at these images of the rallies. i mean, this is the sort of event you're -- you're trying to avoid. you know, we've gotten ahold of the task force recommendations for the various states, including north carolina. and if you look at the numbers, overall, north carolina would be in the red zone and that's based on the number of people per 100,000 who have contracted the virus. there is a mask mandate in place. if you are -- if you can't stay six feet away from somebody. obviously, not a lot of people wearing masks there. and you're not supposed to have any kind of event that's larger than 50 people in north car

let me go back to sanjay for a moment. sanjay, dr. anthony fauci is quoted in bob woodward's book as telling others that the president's leadership was, in his word, rudderless. was that evident in this federal response? >> well, the strategy was to not talk about it. so i guess to that extent it was rudderless. rudderless to me means you do something one day, you do something else the other day, there was no sort of logic to it. this was a clear minimizing of this problem. even as we saw what was happening in other countries around the world. we talked so much about what was happening in italy in those early days and sort of saying, that's italy. that could happen here and still what actions were we taking? we weren't testing. we didn't have these sort of plans in place to prevent that from happening. so we kept having these warning signs and we didn't act. so if that's rudderless, then perhaps. but there was no action. as you mentioned, it was a lost month. and it's really devastating to hear. february 7th, he knows it's five times

mehrotra joining us exclusively this morning sanjay, good morning >> good morning, jon. >> the business that you're in is always so hard for investors to parse between supply/demand issues and just issues of what is in the pipeline that is going to take advantage, say, of man chips. now you have huawei thing looming. overall, given the shift toward digital that we've seen in this pandemic, given the 5g shift that we're on the cusp of right now, what do you think is the most important thing for investors to anticipate from micron over the next year? >> i think near-term as we discussed in our earnings call yesterday, we have temporary weakness in demand driven by, of course, the huawei restrictions by u.s. administration as well as weakness in enterprise. however, the head winds we are currently seeing, they actually become the tail winds for us particularly as we go through calendar year '21 past the seasonally weak q1 timeframe if you look at 5g phones, this year maybe 200 million 5g phones sold worldwide calendar '2 1, 500 million is our estimate it's not just about increased unit sal

sanjay gupta and cnn political correspondent, abby phillip. sanjay, what was that yesterday? when dr. redfield said something that was innocuous, something that we knew about masks, and gave the same timeline that we have all been talking about with the vaccine, and then had to come out and i guess clean it up because somehow it embarrassed president trump or it wasn't on the same page? >> yeah, you know, i have never seen anything quite like that. the president directly contradicting the cdc director over things that he has said before, that frankly many people within the task force and the federal government have said before, on both of those issues with regard to the timeline and the masks. you know, it's interesting. there's no question the president wants the vaccine, he wants this to be the quick fix. don't need to do any of the other public health measures, in his opinion, because we're going to have this vaccine. and it's going to come really quickly. that's the message that people keep getting. i spoke to montecef louis last week, this exact issue came up. even if th

sanjay, it's so true. particularly, now. everybody needs to be connected. and if we want to reach out to somebody, do you have best advice for how to do that? >> yeah. you know, it's -- there is a few things kevin told me, which i've already started adopting in my life. first of all, you know, you may want to, even today, just make a list of a few people that you'd like to reach out to during this time, in particular. and then, find the time to do it. these may be people you haven't spoken to in years, even. also, you know, when -- when you're -- when you're talking to them, this expert who sort of focuses on loneliness said a couple things. one, don't accept the first answer you receive. how you doing? i'm doing fine and it can end up a very superficial conversation. but just take the time to probe a little deeper and then listen. also, very interestingly, and again i have started doing this, have the conversation be directed in a way that, maybe, even, you're asking them for help or guidance in some way. >> kevin's story and your relationship with him, sa

sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. >> thank you so much, sanjay, for that reminder of the lives behind this astonishing number that we as a country have hit today. >>> joining me now is ann from ucla and thank you so much for being here. the country has been on the precipice of this moment for weeks now. but now hitting this tragic milestone, what does this mean to you? >> you know, this is a tragic milestone, as you said. and in the piece you just showed, sanjay gupta really demonstrated how serious this is. 200,000 people here in the united states. that is the entire city of salt lake city wiped out. montgomery, alabama, huntsville, alabama, grand rapids, michigan. wiped out. i think it is very important for us to grasp these numbers. we're almost at a million globally and 200,000 here in the united states. and while we have plateaued in many places, we've plateaued at 100 miles per hour. so we are losing many people every day and we don't have to do this. we have the tools in hand right now to save lives. we could wear mask, social distancing, hand height hygiene and avoiding crowds. thi

but sanjay said it exactly right. it's part of the answer because a vaccine is going to be -- it's going to be somewhat effective in some people for some period of time. what those somes are we can't possibly know. it will be a big help and a big part of the arsenal, but will so our masks and the behavior changes and the new therapies. all those things together are going to get us on the right path but i urge us to be patient and i urge us not to lose confidence in science even with the politics going on. >> i know the other day when the president tried to undermine mask wearing at the abc town hall and said that he looks at waiters and that's -- waiters as in people who serve food as if he communicate with him and they say that masks don't work. you say it's a side show, but i'm not sure because of what we've heard from the president over the last few days. why did he tell dr. redfield and say you're wrong about the masks and making fun of joe biden for wearing a mask? it seems that undermining mask wearing is part o

sanjay gupta. and sanjay, not only was there a visual contrast in these events last night, joe biden walking on stage with a mask, the whole event socially distanced, the president holding a rally like he has with people all over each other, but i think there was a rhetorical difference, as well, that the vice president was trying to lean into. just listen to what he says in terms of vaccines. >> i don't trust the president on vaccines. i trust dr. fauci. if fauci says the vaccine is safe, i take the vaccine. we should listen to the scientists. not to the president. >> big picture, sanjay, what was your medical takeaway from what these candidates provided last night? >> yeah, you know, vice president biden's walking this fine line, because, you know, you have this process which with regard to the vaccine, with regard to emergency use authorizations, which is unquestionably been politicized. i mean, you know, i don't know a few months ago, you certainly had hints of it. it's unquestionably been poli

sanjay gupta. sanjay, given all we know about the virus, how it spreads, is there any way to justify holding a campaign event like this? i mean, putting -- isn't it putting people's lives potentially at risk? >> i mean, you know, we're dealing with the highly contagious virus, the one thing we're told is that this virus likes to jump host to host and when you look at these images of the rallies, i mean, this is the venture you're trying to avoid. you know, we've gotten ahold of the task force recommendations for the various states including north carolina, and if you look at the numbers overall, north carolina would be considered in the red zone and that's based on the number of people per 100,000 who have contracted the virus. there is a mask mandate in place if you can't stay six feet away from somebody. obviously, not a lot of people wearing masks there and you're not supposed to have any kind of event that's larger than 50 people in north carolina right now and that comes from the data sort of

sanjay, thank you so much. david and jamie, thank you. don't forget to join sanjay tonight. he's co-hosting a cnn global town hall with anderson cooper. get all of your questions answered at 8:00 p.m. eastern live on cnn. >>> president trump suggesting to bob woodward that he's drinking the kool-aid for acknowledging white privilege in this country and giving us a first look at the love letters -- there's no other way to describe these sent between president trump and kim jong-un. he called their relationship a magical force. advil targets pain at the source... ...while acetaminophen blocks pain signals. the future of pain relief is here. new advil dual action. balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. it was 1961 when nellie young lost her devoted husband. without him, things were tough. her last option was to sell her home, but... her home meant everything to her. her husband had been a high school football coach and it turned out, one of his former p

sanjay, as well. sanjay, i'll see you tomorrow night for our next edition of our cnn town hall, coronavirus facts and fears. jamie gangel, we'll come back to you in our next segment. i want to turn now to cnn's jim acosta at the white house. jim, talk about the president's explanation for downplaying the virus, even when he knew it was airborne and how deadly it was. >> you were talking about it a few moments ago, anderson, the president was asked about these excerpts, earlier today. and he said, at one point, that he wanted to be a cheerleader. that he didn't want to create panic. anderson, he hasn't been a cheerleader. he's been a misleader. i mean, not giving people the opportunity to prepare to deal with this virus is essentially what this president is guilty of, tonight. and in the name of not wanting people to panic. you know, anderson, you mentioned some of the things, just a few moments ago. the rallies. the masks. and so on. remember, during the spring, the president was urging his supporters

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sanjay gupta. sanjay, if we can, let's begin on this projection here. more than doubling the death toll by the end of this year. how reliable has this model been and what is driving this figure? >> well, these models are -- there's lots of models out there. this is one that's certainly the white house and lots of people have paid attention to. i can tell you, jim, that i follow this model very closely and in some ways, it is underprojected, which i know no one wants to hear. you may remember, jim, we were talking back in march, they were projecting 60,000 people would die of this by august 4th, at that point. and we basically close to doubled that at that point. so it is one of these models that takes into all sorts of different considerations. it's trying to rely on mobility data. it's projecting how much more mobile people will become, how likely people are to adhere to these basic public health guidelines, taking in the context that schools are reopening, colleges are reopening, all the things that we've been talking about and basically arrives at th

sanjay gupta. and sanjay, iowa. a 22% positivity rate yesterday, which means one in five people tested had it. we can put up the graph of the cases there and you can see just this spike over the last few days. this is the positivity rate. we also have a chart about cases. a spike in the cases in the last few days. the governor there has been reluctant to do a mask mandate. i guess they're closed in six counties. the task force wants them closed in 61. what's going on there? >> this is an example of just how quickly things can get out of hand. you know, the basic public health practices that we've been talking about, not being widely implemented, not being supported or embraced by the leadership, makes a huge difference. and i think every state in the country, frankly, should take a look at iowa and just feel like, hey, look, it's like we're doing fine now, and once this thing starts to go up, once you start to get what we call exponential growth, you're behind the curve right away. and still, not only are they not e

sanjay, you heard dr. fauci and steven hahn say they are in favor of it if the data is overwhelming. so what data? how much data will we see the data. what do we know of what the science will actually show and how much will be revealed? >> well, you know, as dr. hazeltine was saying, this data safety monitoring board, they don't actually authorize this emergency use authorization but they do look at the data first, the scientific data and, you know, could it be that they say that people are getting the first dose because it's going to be two doses. if they get the first dose and it's so overwhelmingly favorable that they say hey, look, we're sending this to the fda and they will make the decision about eua or not. that would be the sort of data that we're talking about here but it's just that's going to take time. i mean, that takes time and that board is an independent board but, you know, they have to be able to have the time to look at this data, probably have to look at the two doses given and follow t

sanjay gupta. doctor, thank you so much. dwayne johnson said they got the virus from a close family friend who unwittingly infected them. people can get the virus, even from people very close to you. you might not even know they have it. most of the time, you don't. >> yeah, i mean, because they don't have any symptoms. you know, if you have symptoms, you should be staying at home, right? so, a significant amount of the spread in this country is coming from people who don't have symptoms. don't realize they have the virus because they can't get tested. and then, spread it. i mean, that's been the problem, sort of, almost, all along, don. and i think a lot of families, a lot of people who are watching right now, may say, look, we've been having friends over. they've been totally safe. and maybe, they have been. but everyone still has to behave like they could potentially have the virus. even if you got tested, if the test was positive, you should isolate yourself. but if the test was negative, you still have to behave like yo

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sanjay gupta. sanjay, the president says he's done the best job responding to this pandemic. we now know in early february he fully understood just how deadly this virus was. he actually lied to your face about that. he misled the american people for months. how different could our response to this virus have been if we had been getting straightforward information along the way, beginning, let's say, in early february? >> i think it could have been exponentially different, wolf. and i don't think i'm exaggerating when i say that. i think, you know, we could have had exponentially more lives saved and exponentially fewer infections. there's countries around the world that have done this, wolf, as we've talked about many times. and they had the same resources that we did. they had their patients, the first patients diagnosed around the same time that we did. and, you know, as we've talked about, wolf, they measure their death counts in the hundreds, not the hundreds of thousands. i have a hard time believing that this is the best that we could do. i hear this a lot. i interview

. >>> joining us now is cnn chief medical correspondent, sanjay gupta. sanj sanjay, this day was the day that we hoped would never come, but didn't know how we would avoid it given that there's no national plan. so 200,000 americans this morning, we believe, we will reach that milestone. and, you know, i mean, in terms of not getting numb to it, i think it's kind of a personal defense mechanism, that it's hard to stay at that sustained level of grief every day. so of course people turn away and do become a little bit numb. but what are your thoughts this morning? >> yeah, i mean, i feel the same way. it's -- it's really challenging. and i talked to a lot of families who have lost people due to this disease. i stay in touch with them, stay in touch with them over the last several months, we sort of lean on each other. and you know, it's -- it's one of those things. i was talking to someone a couple of nights ago and this idea that so many of these deaths could have been prevented is absolutely true. we've seen, you know, the united states death toll compa

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sanjay gupta. also, william haseltine, former harvard professor, and now prolific author of books including "a family guide to covid." so, sanjay, you just heard the professor. what do you make of the guidance from the cdc? and are you concerned that this has the whiff of political interference? >> well, i mean, you know, we have to take these things in context. there's been, you know, the fda with this whole hydroxychloroquine thing where they issued this eua for that, with very little evidence. i mean, that i think is something that has made people question some of this decision-making. the same sort of thing with the convalescent plasma. the data was exaggerated around that eua. so, what i would say is, we've got to be very vigilant about this -- this vaccine. the idea that places are getting prepared. i mean, that makes sense. i mean, you -- you do want to be prepared. some of these vaccines may need to be stored at certain temperatures. all of that. but that shouldn't be the signal that the va

so, i agree with sanjay. i think that the fda, if they are to make this announcement about this very clear process for emergency use authorization, very clear metrics ahead of time and making the data, also fully accessible and transparent, that's what's going to help the trust issue. and that's what's actually going to give people confidence in the vaccine. >> dr. leana wen, thank you very much. sanjay, thanks to you as well. i know you're going to be back later here in "the situation room." >>> coming up, the pandemic has now killed more than 200,000 americans. >>> plus, a cia assessment that reportedly says russian president vladimir putin is probably directing an influence campaign against joe biden. i'll talk about it with the former house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers. we'll be right back. no-no. did you really need the caps lock? mucinex cold and flu all-in-one. it was 1961 when nellie young lost her devoted husband. without him, things were tough. her last option was to sell her home, bu

sanjay gupta, great to have you on this morning as always. >> thanks, sanjay. >> thank you. >>> more breaking news. the suspect was killed overnight by federal law enforcement. cnn's lucy kafanov is live at the scene in washington with breaking details. what do we know about the confrontation here as it played out? >> reporter: well, jim, we are in front of the apartment complex where all of this went down, just a couple of hours ago. we know that portland police issued an arrest warrant for 48-year-old michael reinoehl late on thursday. we understand that because he was across state lines they had to ask u.s. marshals for help who moved in to try to peacefully apprehend the suspect. initial reports indicate that he had a firearm threatening the lives of law enforcement officials. the fugitive task members struck him and pronounced him dead at the scene. not clear who had a gun, whether shots were fired by the suspect. all we know is that michael reinoehl is now dead. police shot and killed the man wanted in the fatal shooting of a far right pro trump supporter in portland last weeke

sanjay gupta. now, sanjay, i want to leave vice president pence's remarks out of it because maybe we should be worried about his memory today, but you've been looking into the president's visit to walter reed for a while. what can you tell us about how unusual it was? >> well, you know, i've covered, you know, four different administrations and done a lot of reporting about how they care for the president in the white house. there was several things that were unusual. first of all, it was a largely unannounced visit to walter reed. typically the entire hospital staff knows. there are worards that are cleared. specialen special entrances. it's the president. there was no hospital-wide alert that went out. the big issue when they got in the motor cade cade, dr. connol into the vehicle with the president. that typically doesn't happen. i talked to several other white house doctors about that. there is a real significant, strategic protocol on this where the doctor is another vehicle, they can come adm

sanjay gupta and dana bash is joining us now. great to see you. the first question that's the obvious one. timing. >> no. the president had been talking about miracle cures and a vaccine which is a miracle cure and about the whole notion of getting it done quickly and sanjay has been talking and all of us about the big question. whether or not the president's desire to get it done before the election is flying in the face of science that may or may not allow it to happen in a safe way. another question of whether or not because of all of these doubts by the president and the administration in the science pree prooe previous to this. whether or not once there is a safe vaccine, people are not going to take it. that puts this pandemic beyond any way we could imagine. this is something that the president is hoping for. the big concern is that turns into a self fulfilling prophecy that does not con foiform with science or it does conform with science and people don't believe it. >> the concern is as combination with the political and the medical. i th

sanjay gupta, our chief medical correspondent. okay. so, this is just in. and all of you but i am going to give this to dana. attorney general william barr was speaking to hillsdale college about forbidding a church from meeting during covid-19. during that, he -- someone asked him about -- i guess, you know, they were just talking. he said -- the attorney general william barr on wednesday, the national lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic is like house arrest and a civil rights intrusion, nearly unequalled in american history. but he says it is the greatest intrusion on civil liberties, other than slavery, in u.s. history. dana bash. >> i mean, i'm kind of speechless. i really am. >> i saw sanjay's face, by the way. >> i started to think about trying to pick apart the -- the -- the reality of what he said. like, i don't know. that when people were enslaved, human beings were enslaved in this country, they were owned by other people. i mean, they -- civil rights was -- was like -- the notion of having civil rights was a pipe dream. they just had to be f

sanjay gupta. and william haseltine, a former professor at the harvard medical school and school of public health. he is also author of "a family guide to covid." good to have both of you on. sanjay, it's been a few hours since i talked to you this morning. this model. and again, these are not crystal balls. they're models. they help give you a sense of what's going to come, and you and i talk about this often. when we look at this, actually, ihme models in recent months have understated the death toll, undershot the death toll. when you look at these figures, do you find this a credible path of where the pandemic is going, in this country? >> it was a pretty jarring, 4:00 a.m. wakeup call to look at that model, jim, i think for you and me, both. i mean, yeah, it's -- it is -- it is not surprising but -- but pretty jarring. you know, i think these are the previous models. and as you point out, jim, compare the projections, versus what the real numbers were and, if anything, this particular organiza

i could be your father, sanjay. the thing we need to remember, sanjay, that there are a number of people in our society of substantial proportion who have underlying conditions and looking at the two groups at risk for serious conditions is the elderly and people at any age with underlying conditions. underlying, any age. >> 200,000 americans killed by coronavirus is a numbing, numbing, painful statistic. most public health experts would tell you it didn't have to happen. where are we going turning from summer againing the fall. look at the trends. they're bad. we are heading in the wrong direction. 24 states, 8 of them in the deep red, 50% more infections, new infections this week than last week. 50% or more new infections this week compared to last week. 24 in all heading in the wrong state. only 6 states reporting fewer infections this week compared to last week. this is one month ago. beginning to head in the right direction. 25 states trending down. that's the way you want to be going. not this way, especially

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i want to go to sanjay gupta. sanjay, just to give you a chance here, ruth bader ginsburg has passed away. tell me what you know. we literally are just getting this right now. supreme court justice. >> yeah, well, that's tough to absorb. i'm just hearing it right with you, erin. we know she's had a long medical history. most recently of pancreatic cancer and a few procedures. we know that recently, i can't remember the exact time line now. a couple months ago, i believe, when she was hospitalized. at that point there was concern that the type of therapy they were giving the former supreme court justice was more therapy to try and ameliorate the symptoms. i think it was clear at that point looking at her medical history that they knew this was an aggressive cancer that would be very difficult to treat. so, tough news to hear. pancreatic cancer, a very difficult cancer to treat under any circumstance. she's been dealing with it for some time. and as you know, erin, she had been dealing with other medical issues. she

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sanjay gupta. sanjay, obviously, still very early on the vaccine front, though, how promising is this potentially? >> well, i think it looks promising. as you point out, it's very early data. i mean, in those phase one, phase two trials, you really only have about 800 patients or so. 400 that were under the age of 55. 400 over the age of 65. so, you know, we got to see if the encouraging results from those early trials actually start to pan out in phase-three trials. it's going to be very large. 60,000 people will be in this phase three trial. so this is going to be bigger than the other phase three trials that we've heard about. there's a lot of excitement around this one and i talked to the sort of head vaccine manufacturer in amsterdam a few weeks ago. possibly, just a single shot with this vaccine, as opposed to two shots. doesn't need to be frozen. just needs to be refrigerated. so that could make distribution a lot easier. and the type of technology they're using this -- what's called adenovi

sanjay gupta. the february 7th reporting where the president tells bob woodward he knows that the coronavirus is airborne and says it's five times more deadly than the flu, i am sure that when you in particular heard this that that might have struck a nerve. >> yeah. i was shocked. the -- first of all, the numbers really as maggie haberman was telling you earlier really show a pretty detailed level of consolidation. because, you know, even at that time, it was not clear in looking at some of the early data just how lethal this was. we knew it was far more lethal than the flu. even through it's around 0.5, 0.6% and the flu is 0.1%. and the president seemed to know that back in early february, he was talking to people in china, probably getting some of the early data. i asked him about this, we were trying to put it together ourselves and i asked him about this at this press briefing and i'm going to play this for you, just briefly. but keep in mind, what he knew nearly three weeks earlier what he sa

sanjay gupta joins us now. hi, sanjay, great to see you. so dr. fauci is really trying to warn americans. in his understated way, he is trying to sound the alarm that 40,000 cases as we head into the winter. we were supposed to have this respite during the summer, are we could really lower our cases, but somehow we missed an opportunity to do that and now as we head into the winter and people are going inside again, 40,000 cases a day. what does that mean? >> it basically says that if the plateau is this high right now, the idea that it could start to go into what is known as exponential growth, not linearly increasing, but start to spike up is the real concern. you have that much virus already circulating and you start to add in these other factors like indoors, the colder weather, these things increase viral spread. this is a point that dr. fauci has made for some time. and frankly, we've seen in other viral outbreaks as well, even if you go back to 1918, actually, during this sort of time period, they were actually able to bring the numbers dow

sanjay gupta and a doctor from mass general university. dr. fauci wanted us to be at 10,000 cases per day right now. we're at about 40,000 cases a day right now that's a huge gap. why is that gap so important as we head into the winter? >> yeah. and we're already starting to see, you know, i think what are objective signs of increasing numbers of cases now as well. so it's plateaued for a long time and we're starting to see that tick upward. the concern is if you have so much virus that's already starting -- that's already spreading within the country and then you layer in all of the factors, the weather is getting colder, people are clustering inside and there's covid fatigue, as you know, that's when you can run into the real problem. obviously, everyone hopes that doesn't happen. and i always hesitate a little bit to show this graph of 1918. if we can show it for a second. we know that's sort of -- that that pandemic occurred in three waves. it's the second wave that was the most frightening and tragic. you had close to 190,000 deaths occur

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sanjay gupta, dana bash join us now. dana, sanjay, thank you. great to see you. the first question dana is the obvious one, the timing is not a coincidence. >> no, not at all. the president has been talking a lot about miracle cures, about a vaccine, which technically is a miracle cure, and about the whole notion of getting it done quickly. sanjay has been talking extensively as have you, all of us about the big questions. whether or not the president's desire to get it done quickly, to get it done before the election is flying in the face of the science that may or may not allow that to happen in a safeway, then there's the open question of whether or not because of all of this doubt being sewn by the president, by the administration in the science previous to this. whether or not it means that once there is a safe vaccine, people are going to take it. and that could prolong the effects of this pandemic beyond anyway we could all imagine. this is something that the president is hoping for, as you said, all of us are hoping for it, but the big concern is that tha

sanjay gupta. sanjay, i remember that morning you and i were on here and we said, what, what is this new guidance from the cdc? i think i remember saying if john tested positive i wouldn't have to be tested and we were all trying to figure out what that meant. okay, this morning what have you learned? >> well, we learned that it didn't make sense then, it still doesn't make sense now. it's likely going to be changed today but the machinations by which this took place and "the new york times" reported this yesterday and my sources are talking about the idea that the document -- this document which talked about asymptomatic testing did not originate at the cdc. even though it was ultimately on the cdc's website it originated at hss. it was supposed to go through this vetting process, you have the assistant director of science. you have fact checkers. you have cross checkers. they send it back and forth. they can take a couple of days and my source tells me i woke up in the morning, the next day, and

sanjay gupta. let's start by getting your reaction on this breaking news that just came out in the last hour. a word of caution from the national institutes of health on convalescent plasma. sanjay, i was just at the white house press conference right before the republican convention when the president was out there with the fda commissioner. and they were touting this new treatment. what can you tell us? >> a couple days before that press conference that you attended, the nih including dr. francis collins who runs the nih and dr. fauci both basically said at that point that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant authorization of convalescent plasma. that was thursday. and then just a couple days later on sunday, stephen hahn, the fda commissioner came out and issued that emergency use authorization. in some ways the nih, they are sort of sticking to their guns on this. they are saying if you look at the data, there is still not enough data to warrant this authorization. keep in mind the data pret