china's regional. by their treatment of the show genome should be and can easily get to me the japanese for their threat to use force to take taiwan most are not the case sorry i have to jump in here but that of times i sincerely apologize for interrupting that's all the time we want to thank my guests in washington washington and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching as iraqis see you next time remember. the trouble with donald trump is that he exploits entirely the counter unlike men legacy who was much more successful than hillary clinton at appealing to people on the level of culture and heart and national identity and all that sort of thing but as with demagogues throughout human history he exploited emotion especially dark emotions like fear and hatred and resentment to serve only his own interests not the interests of the nation at large. some control from middle class to homeless most of my very hard working people who want to get ahead that either have some some health issues or h

i mean china is important but china is not that important also and we have to remember that. together in the wake of the tsunami so what the set of issues that we see that all countries are talking about are essentially public goods the provision of public goods provision of backseats if you get up to date issue and so security issues and so on so there is a lack of the provision of these public goods and i think it's that it's a good thing that beautiful country landed stand limitations and have decided to work together yes it's true you know they have sort of dance floor are a sort of drop the last several times in the past but i think now will turn level of convergence between these 4 countries or among these 4 countries on multiple issues is now sustained and sustainable what do you make of the fact that a joint statement was quite blunt when it came to the issue of maritime security. it spelled out that it's collaborating collaboration including in maritime security is to meet challenges to the rules based maritime order in the east and south china seas what's the messag

crackdown in hong kong still reject china's claims in the south china sea while way is still on the u.s. communications chopping block last week biden met with leaders in the 1st quad meeting with heads of government from india australia and japan but not china and this week he sent his 2 top officials the secretary of state and the secretary of defense or the care and the stick to visit several countries in asia but again not china there will be a meeting with chinese officials later in alaska but the message is clear biden is building a grand contain china coalition so how is trying to taking all this in and will this track be effective today we're talking to deborah layer who was involved in the accession of china to the world trade organization 20 years ago and was one of the founders of the us china strategic economic dialogue and today she's the c.e.o. of basle ina a consultancy on china and the middle east based here in washington she is also executive director of the paulson in situ and randy shriver who served in the trumpet ministration as assistant secretary of defense for in

in hong kong still reject china's claims in the south china sea while way is still on the u.s. communications chopping block last week biden met with leaders in the 1st quad meeting with heads of government from india australia and japan but not china and this week he sent his 2 top officials the secretary of state and the secretary of defense or the carrot and the stick to visit several countries in asia but again not china there will be a meeting with chinese officials later in alaska but the message is clear biden is building a grand contain china coalition so how is china taking all this in and will this track be effective today we're talking to deborah layer who was involved in the accession of china to the world trade organization 20 years ago and was one of the founders of the us china strategic economic dialogue and today she's the c.e.o. of bass alina a consultancy on china in the middle east based here in washington she is also executive director of the paulson in situ and randy shriver who served in the trumpet ministration as assistant secretary of defense for indo-

harder for china to ignore. body than to start with you when you consider the message from blinking in the fact that blink and sullivan do not intend for today's meeting to be the 1st of several or the start of new talks what does the bind administration want from china. well i think that the by an administration would like to see a change in some of china's policies a change in behavior on a range of issues that the biden ministration and the trumpet ministration before them expressed some concerns about these of course pertains to things like their camps and seeing the way that china is undermining autonomy in honde. the lack of a level playing field in economics trying his plans to dominate 21st century technologies. pressure on taiwan its economic coercion against australia its political influence operations in the united states the list is is is long and so we have to understand and i think china does that there are problems in the relationship and the question is whether the chinese are willing to begin to

. >> one has to recognize that china is not going anywhere, china is always going to be there and china will continue to grow it is a major force that we have to reckon with, i believe the best approach frankly seems to be pursuing will reassess all the relationships that we do have we china trade policies, the trade tariffs for example, after the all the sanctions, the united states has a plethora of sanctions on comedies and people all around the world and may have been directed at china and most of them probably are not very effective, they don't cause a change in behavior that their intended to and frankly hurt the people in that country more than they hurt americans. there's going to be a big evaluation a comprehensive look at sanctions to figure out which ones work, which ones don't work and then i think a fine president biden utilizing to show that we can stand up with china, you made a very good point about allies, it is clear during the last four years the united states pursued america first and pretended to be too much going our own way and that created a big vacuum that enabl

accusations a cyber attacks by china spreading disinformation about china's covert 19 aphids and the 2018 foreign interference laws targeting china in the absence of evidence it's a bit ironic every time anyone suggests that there should be chinese within china they complying with your want to do fear with chinese internet it's the 14 points people talk about as coercive as an act of bullying what's wrong i can see what's wrong that is actually a kind of like a free candid exchange of all of us i think we did a little less holes for talk about being bullied by china we have interests to defend protect and we are doing it i believe but we need to be smarter in other places. covert travel restrictions have confined raby to a stray year for the past year normally based in beijing he's on the board of china controlled this trading company un called. it also being here. to china banda strain in cold following the straining government school for an investigation into covert 19 in april last year now ships are sitting off ports in china likely in cool piece and i will try to occur cold. mor

china has overplayed their hand. they not only sanctioned european leaders, they also sanctioned the political and security committee, which is made up of 27 eu ambassadors and their families are included, and they sanctioned an entire german think tank. they want discourse power, they want to say we don't like what you say about china, so we are going to sanction an academic institution. in addition to that, they sanctioned the head of a swedish think tank. i think they misunderstood your very much, because when you attack people who want independent academic inquiry to what is happening in china, but you have politicians who are asking what is happening, and when you sanction them, this badly backfired. there attacking freedom of speech and basic rule of law, and the very roots of democracy. anchor: speaking of sanctions, there are sanctions on china, and there are sanctions on iran. how much of this deal can actually be implemented with the sanctions limiting how much business chinese companies can conduct in iran

it's not going down that route that it's going to compete with china and what are you hearing from china in terms of whether they think it will remain as confrontational as it apparently was courage will will there in fact be more trade war more trade conflict essentially more of the trump approach i think china . and especially because of the. diplomacy that it whole ready has been trying to do since 17 it has increasingly been harsh on other neighbors when like when they were attacked and they have tried to. like to try to show. the chinese people that tried the china is now strong that it can compete with the west and neighbors and i think china is going down that route that it's focusing much more on the domestic market that it's. driving itself away from corporation with the west but try to look into the domestic market how can how can. people from the chinese people think in like about china it's much more important for them to himself has repeatedly said that there are certain topics and areas on which the u.s. must cooperate with russia and china be it arms control climate change

with china. what i have found is my syrians is so similar to so many others, americans, europeans, officials i talk to. what's why mean by this? there was of course the u.s. opening, nixon and kissinger meetings that began the relationship. there was essentially a semi alliance as it related to the soviet union. and there was always a notion that as china opened up and developed, that it would become part of the system in which its rise dramatically benefited itself. i do not always see eye to eye -- he wrote a great book i'm reading right now. the former world bank president and the u.s. trade rep and the deputies set -- deputy secretary of state. look at the speech he gave on the responsible stakeholder. it was really kind of sang, all right, china. you have risen. the system we put together is something that has benefited you. you need to own it more, be a responsible actor. abide by the rules you have agreed to. i went to china in number of times after that speech. very interesting, because i

accusations a cyber attacks by china spreading disinformation about china's covert 19 aphids and the 2018 foreign interference laws targeting china in the absence of evidence it's a bit ironic every time anyone suggests that there should be chinese within china they complying with your want to do fear with chinese internal it's the 14 points people talk about as coercive as. bullying what's wrong i can see what's wrong that is actually a kind of like a free candid exchange of all of us i think we did a little assholes for talking about being bullied by china we have interest to the famed protect and we are doing it i believe but we need to be smarter in other places see. covert travel restrictions have confined raby to a stray year for the past year normally based in beijing he's on the board of china controlled australian company yeah. it's also been heat on. to china banda strain in cold following the straining government school for an investigation into covert 19 in april last year now ships are sitting off ports in china likely in cool piece and i will try to take her cold. more

across talking china u.s. relations i'm joined by my guest daniel is our in new york he is a journalist and author of 3 books on the u.s. constitution including we have daniel mcadams he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity and in north bill we cross to tom watkins he is president and c.e.o. of t.w. associates a global business and educational consulting firm right gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate danny let me go then you make adams let me go to you 1st here i suppose it's a good idea they're meeting in and because i think the way the format has been displayed to the public and the lack of traditional diplomatic at a kid is going to be a pretty frosty meeting appropriate place your thoughts. yeah and i've heard they're not even going to have dinner together and that doesn't sound like a lot of fun doesn't sound like there's a lot to do there the chinese are upset because they're being forced to take s

policy towards china. it began in 2018 and remarks at the former vice president mike pence made at this institution. in that speech which marks a turn towards a much more hawkish and asserted u.s. policy towards china, pence pointed to the case of the chinese port and south sri lanka. he said if you want an example of how chinese lending or non- practices are coercive and destructive to partner recipient countries you can look no further than sri lanka. it took out more death than it could afford. it could not pay for itself and ultimately had to hand it back over to china anna release. the problem is i had already begun research about a year before the handover as a peer action i had been given and was doing research on the ground interviewing local officials, residents and so forth. in order to ask some of the same questions of local people, but also across the political spectrum. what i found surprised me. i think it is very significant not only for u.s. policy toward south asia, but how we see broader

it between china and iran. it's a cheap political shift you i agree with with her, my colleague from iran, they're looking east. how long that will happen? i don't know, but the reality is that the money is moving east oil energy is being used in asia at far greater levels. united states is in essence, pretty much, you know, self supplying as long as the price of oil is above 45 and they can use fracking. europe is another matter. they're somewhere in between. but yes, this does give a iran breathing room, hopefully will not be an excuse to continue with nuclear capabilities. that is not good for anybody. but there has to be a very clear and open stance on this thing. the fact, it's the worst kept secret in the world that israel has nukes, and is willing to use in the case that they are overrun. so, i mean, at this point, it really, if there is going to be a do nuclear station, if i around china, us are going to start cooperating along with russia or in europe. there has to be some absolute clarity here and sto

it's not going down that route that it's going to compete with china and what are you hearing from china in terms of whether they think it will remain as confrontational as it apparently was in courage will will there in fact be more trade war more trade conflict essentially more of the trump approach i think china . and especially because of the. diplomacy that it whole ready has been trying to do since 17 it has increasingly been harsh on other neighbors when like when they were attacked and they have tried to. like to try to show. the chinese people that trying the china is now strong that it can compete with the west and neighbors and i think china is going down that route that it's focusing much more on the domestic market that it's. driving itself away from corporation with the west but try to look into the domestic market how can how can. people from the chinese people think in like about china it's much more important for them to himself has repeatedly said that there are certain topics and areas on which the u.s. must cooperate with russia and china be it arms control climate ch

-china relations. secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd austin met with their counterparts in japan today and will next head to south korea in their first overseas trip. the meetings are widely viewed as an attempt by the bid administration to sere allies in washington's campaign to counter cha's gring power. blken spoke earlier today in japan. >> we are united in innovation of a free and open end of pacific region. our countries follow the rules, cooperate whenever they can, and resolve their differences peacefully. in particular, we will push back if necessary when china uses coercion or regression to get its way. amy: the japanese foreign minister also spoke at the joint news conference. >> we agreed to oppose china's unilateral bid to change the status quo, including in east china sea and south china sea and shared concerns about china's coast guard laws. amy: in this is defense secretary lloyd austin, also speaking at the joint news conference. >> i know japan shares our co

/china relationship. so i have to say again, we are so grateful, senator sullivan, that you can join us. today's discussion comes as u.s. china relations remain tense. china is the foremost competitor to the united states since the soviet union. it presents a challenge across the domains of trade, technology, governance and security. and on the other hand, collaborating with china is so important for tackling issues such as global health security, climate change, food security, peace keeping and more. most recently, top u.s. and chinese diplomats engaged in a rather tense exchange in alaska, senator sullivan's home. and, in fact, he was also in alaska as these meetings took place. so it is very fitting that today's discussion was organized by the atlantic council center for strategy and security. which is played truly a key role in shaping the council's efforts to develop strategies for addressing the china challenge. most recently the atlantic council released the longer telegram towards a new america/ch

that's not always the intent of china. the biden administration as i understand it's hard to invest in a fundamentals here at home, our people, human capitol and infrastructure economy and political institutions. as a long term that is by the way my point is the immediate term on that but this going to be important for long-term competition will be to have more joy to policy responses or whole government response is a quick was to appoint someone like kirk campbell, extremely able of this at the white house lisa any of the top in the white house is over saying how to pull the threads of policy together and is important and 70 also knows how to work with allies and partners. because clearly these are efforts that will take to handle money in any cases. because they have the need infrastructure development in major investment in southeast asia. for example. not just southeast asia but also going to have to focus on allies and partners coming up that are going to govern the rest of the century as we deal with revolutions and

across talking china u.s. relations i'm joined by my guest daniel is our in new york he is a journalist and author of 3 books on the u.s. constitution including we have daniel mcadams he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity and in north bill we cross to tom watkins he is president and c.e.o. of t.w. associates a global business and educational consulting firm right gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate danny let me go then you make adam's let me go to you 1st here i suppose it's a good idea they're meeting in and because i think the way the format has been displayed to the public and the lack of traditional diplomatic educate it's going to be a pretty frosty meeting appropriate place your thoughts. yeah and i've heard they're not even going to have dinner together and that doesn't sound like a lot of fun doesn't sound like there's a lot to do there the chinese are upset because they're being forced to take

and china? guest: the current relations are just as tense as when president biden -- former president trump was in office. this is a continuation of increasing tensions between the u.s. and china and the aspect of national security. the united states has been engaging, sort of in a romantic way, in china economically. there has been increasing security concerns coming from china, and now last friday in alaska, the contentious meeting is on full display. host: that is part of the reason we are having you on, to check in on u.s.-china relations. this was the first significant meeting between leaders of china and the u.s. government could secretary of state antony blinken there, and the leader of the foreign affairs chief or the chinese communist party. he was there as well. what was the stated purpose of that meeting? guest: the purpose was because china was trying to make connections with the u.s. officials in charge. the purpose has been for decades peaceful relations with the western world so t

versus china issue as is easy p.s. trying to paint it as but is in fact of such an egregious nature that even europe is getting involved and everyone is coming together on a it's extremely important step on your group's website so the question is posed why are we not talking about the we are genocide there has been coverage in the media and yet it hasn't captured the public's attention why do you think that is. several reasons one being it's very slow to obtain information because of how information is heavily censored in china a lot of the things that we're analyzing now are actually from several years ago and the media has been sadly quite slow to report on some aspects of it for example the fact that people are dying in detention while the international community is kind of have the scholarly approach to debating whether or not it's genocide in fact early on there have been indications of how the genocide convention was being breached so part of it is that the lack of access to information and of course another aspe

china's regional see. by their treatment of the show genomes to be and can easily be the japanese but their threat to use force to take taiwan most are not the 1st i have to jump in here but that of times i don't sincerely apologize for interrupting that's all the time we have one of them i guess in washington washington and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching as the iraqis see you next time remember. the 2021 variant of a housing crisis is to pump money into the economy so that all the assets held on the balance sheet of warren buffett and other banks go up in value and that the people that lost a lot of wealth in 2008 the rally people of color are now getting raked over the coals again through this inflationary pass at their assets. is your media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. tyson nation community. are you going the right way or are you being led. by the way. what is true what is faith. in the world corrupted you need to descend. to join us

gets to the level off productivity that south korea is they acted a china with china's economy would be 2 and a half times the size of the united states playing by the rules of the game that the united states laid out china will be wait ahead off the united states and this creates a fundamental die lemma of how to manage china and the problem has been that china does not want to change the setup because it works more or less pretty well for china but for the united states something needs to change in strategy and that's not yet figured out how to change that in strategy and so instead we have this doubling down in rhetoric that china's cheating china's doing this love love love love love trying to create a coalition against china but the fact of the matter is one needs to have a backup criteria one needs to have better accusations against china to be able to create that coalition against china and that's not looking at i think this is to some extent trust tradition and ceo at the u.s. and and that should not be the case because china as as we just said is just still end up alone incl

china relations. if you are a democrat use (202)748-8000, republicans hughes (202)748-8001, independents and others, (202)748-8002, pose a question by text, (202)748-8003, weifeng zhong let's take a listen to what anthony blinken the secretary of state had to say that alaska meeting how the u.s. plans to engage china. >> our administration is committed to leading with diplomacy and to advance the interests of the united states and to strengthen the rules -based international order. that system is not an obstruction. helps countries resolve differences peacefully and coordinate multilateral efforts effectively and participate in global commerce with the assurance that everyone is following the same rules. the alternative to a rules -based order is a world in which might makes right and winners take all and that would be a far more violent and unstable world for all of us. today we will have an opportunity to discuss key priorities both domestic and global so that china can better understand our adminis

and china right now? from where you sit in hong kong, looking to the mainland right now, how is that playing out? enda: this is an ongoing feature. on the pure economy side of things, we spoke a lot about decoupling over recent years, but china's sales are going gangbusters to the u.s. china can't ship enough of its goods to the u.s. market. on the financial services side, china continues to open up, especially to u.s. banks, so we are seeing wall street make progress in terms of the joint venture operations. but there's no doubt in terms of the bigger picture, these tensions only seem to be getting worse. we saw that move with sanctions this week both on the u.s. side and including the european union and other countries, squeezing in on china over xinjiang and other human rights abuses. we know there's ongoing pension over the technology space, for example. china is doubling down on a big push to develop more of its own technology driven economy so it doesn't have to rely on the u.s. as much. the message

i want to see what do we make with china? what do we lose with china? maria: a candidate who ran on the platform of holding china accountable was now turning his campaign rhetoric into white house policy. there is some question about the china deal that, you know, you are not going to be able to get china to stop dealing intellectual property. >> we have a policing aspect to this deal that's the strongest anybody has ever had. if that happens, i will turn in the deal. we are taking billions of dollars first time ever against china in tariffs. i'm very happy with that. maria: never before has a dictator for life experienced the pushing and poking as he did with president trump, america's tariffs proved consequential as the chinese economy slid into the slowest growth mode in 29 years. on top of rising pressure from america, protesters on the ground in hong kong, further increased strains on the struggling dictator. their plea for freedom from china was seen and heard around the world, after china tried to institute a new law that forced anyone charged to

china will respond it would be easy to declare this another cold war but the reality may be worse china will soon be america's economic equal its military and foreign influence are expanding befitting an emerging superpower president biden despite his tough stance insists the u.s. and china can work together we can chew gum and walk at the same time he says but his advisors and u.s. allies know this isn't about being the better multitasker it's about running and not allowing china to catch up china is the greatest long terms to treat strategic threat to the security in the 21st century the chinese communist party insidious and corrosive and corrupt influences that were globally and in this region some examples include their pursuit of multiple port deals loans for political leverage . backs in diplomacy that undermine sovereignty state surveillance citee and the exploitation of resources such as illegal on regular one reported fishing may ruin the united states has always pursued double standards and as for international law and rules the united states chooses to abide by whatever suits

gets to the level off productivity that south korea is the act today china with china's economy will be 2 and a half times the size of the united states playing by the rules of the game that the united states laid out china will be wait ahead off the united states and this creates a fundamental di lemma of how to manage china and the problem has been that china does not want to change the setup because it works more or less pretty well for china but for the united states something needs to change in strategy and that's not yet figured out how to change that in strategy and so instead we have this doubling down in rhetoric that china's cheating china's doing this love love love love 2 love trying to create a coalition against china but the fact of the matter is one needs to have a better criteria one needs to have better accusations against china to be able to create that coalition against china and that's not looking at i think this is to some extent trust tradition and ceo at the u.s. and and that should not be the case because china as as we just said is just still end up home incl

china's regional. by their treatment of the show the known should be and can easily be the japanese of their threat to use force to take taiwan. sorry i have to jump in here at a time i'm sincerely apologize for interrupting that's all the time we want to thank my guest in washington washington and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching as iraqis see you next time remember. some control for a middle class to whom the. most some are very hardworking people who want to get ahead that either have some some health issues or have some of the district about luck a full time job won't always pay for a place to live and missing just a month's rent can get she was a victim of gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. better catch up real quick or you're going to have a judgment of possession against you and get a ticket by anyone that's homeless is history like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone bad or you chose to be there most of the

china's five firmly opposed to us interference in china's affairs. we have expressed our staunch opposition to such interference and we will take firm in response. i'm joined now by our state department correspondent — barbara plett—usher, who's in anchorage, alaska. an abrasive tone from both parties. it does not seem a way to stabilise a difficult relationship. what is the intention here. it was quite a rare public sparring match. this is not the way you normally start the state diplomatic meeting and it went on for some time. it was extended even after the formal remarks back and forth. in public comments before the meeting the biden administration have been quite blunt about its criticisms of china and they brought those same comments to the meeting said the chinese must have known what was coming and they really came prepared to hit backin really came prepared to hit back in kind. one of the senior officials basically said the us should stop pushing its own version of democracy. it has got its own problems and domestic problems, you know, th

china north korea south. korea and russia. for their role in prosecuting l g b t plus people brussels is stepping up sanctions against russian officials most recently the e.u. impose sanctions on russia over the poisoning of now imprisoned kremlin opponents. by imposing sanctions the u.s. and the european union are slowly tightening the screws. but how much further is europe really willing to go. let me put that question to motor mount in your opening statement you said that none of the 3 powers russia china or the u.s. has a real interest in escalation but the fact is that is a very much a european perspective europe in general and germany in particular have repeatedly made it clear that they are very concerned about being forced to essentially take sides in a us china cold war. and possibly also with us hostility versus. russia do you think that's what's happening here is the e.u. now with these latest sanctions against china essentially being forced to take sides. in a way yes and. i always say if it's through through partn

china will respond it would be easy to declare this another cold war but the reality may be worse china will soon be america's economic equal its military and foreign influence are expanding befitting an emerging superpower president biden despite his tough stance insists the u.s. and china can work together we can chew gum and walk at the same time he says but his advisors and u.s. allies know this isn't about being the better multitasker it's about running and not allowing china to catch up china is the greatest long terms to treat strategic threat to the security in the 21st century the chinese communist party insidious and corrosive and corrupt influences that were globally and in this region some examples include their pursuit of multiple port deals loans for political leverage . vaccine diplomacy that undermines sovereignty state surveillance citee and the exploitation of resources such as illegal on regulation on reported fishing may want the united states has always pursued double standards and as for international law and rules the united states chooses to abide by whatever sui

public in their daily lives up in china picking up a 2 week of people inching jiang while china by the western media amid the intensifying sond us against china but not jumping to number one what do you say hey this is supposed to rely think china well what are you saying here that the great picture by the way but whenever we look at the chinese media training leaders and the people traders dancing all the time and look at the pure you see people dancing we say to people have not seen my leg you know inform people get it right this is what this is how holding camp you know this is how the west according to china say is the way to people and these are the some of the people who are in. canada australia and turkey these people have relatives in the camps who have lost their parents. even children to the camps they're searching for their relatives actually and they are given voices and the media actually on the contrary trying i didn't give any voice any permission for them to speak to the relatives even make one call so these are the people portrayed and given the space under vested medi

of hyping the china threat in the region and also only seeking to contain china not purely in its own interests but it is true that there have been a number of maritime behaviors in particular which have caused concern not only with the u.s. but with a few of the countries in the region namely we've had increasing military activity by china in the south china sea increasing military exercises and when it comes to japan increasing incursions in the area of the same caucuses japanese control it's with what china considers its own and calls the d.l. you islands we've also had earlier this year a change to china's coast guard law which allows coast guard vessels in china to carry weapons and also when necessary to fire on foreign vessels and recently in general we've had these increasing china rhetoric when it comes to protecting their own sovereign territory saying that these are red line issues and that china will not hesitate to use force and recently president xi jinping himself called on china's pilate to increase military preparedness in order to defend china's territory now i want

that china, too, can innovated, and so it was this kind of -- -- the foundation for how china's -- a competitor to western modes 0 innovation and story we feel much more -- hear much more often today. the book, the reason for the book started ten years ago when you listened to stories but china today, started out my research, so narrative that has more recently morphed -- that we see more recently in this sort of space of tech innovation in china is we are witnessing the new tech cold war between the u.s. and china and what this shows in part is a revamping of earlier narratives of china as a threat, but what i show in the book it's really kind of a prehistory to this moment of china -- hough tide china become seen as this new innovation hub that might be a competitor or a threat to the western approach of innovation. >> so i think in the book you talk about the technooptimism in the maker movement and breaking through of the technological, economic, labor structures that would otherwise have potentially oppressed them. so, what are the structures in the chinese context that people w

china will respond it would be easy to declare this another cold war but the reality may be worse china will soon be america's economic equal its military and foreign influence are expanding befitting an emerging superpower president biden despite his tough stance insists the u.s. and china can work together we can chew gum and walk at the same time he says but his advisors and u.s. allies know this isn't about being the better multitasker it's about running and not allowing china to catch up china is the greatest long terms to treat strategic threat to the security in the 21st century the chinese communist party insidious and corrosive and corrupt influences that were globally and in this region some examples include their pursuit of multiple port deals loans for political leverage . vaccine diplomacy that undermines sovereignty state surveillance citee and the exploitation of resources such as illegal and regular one reported fishing may want the united states has always pursued double standards and as for international law and rules the united states chooses to abide by whatever suit

this is real china. china does not have immigration policy of people coming in but it's one of our structural advantages we will only allow. >> thank you. show the importance of ensuring supply chain resilience, diversification stockpiling domestic production we saw during the pandemic we have a dramatic shortage of ppe when supplies from china were cut off. in my own district we have manufacturing companies that were told to ramp up and produce ppe and then they were left with warehouses full of ppe when they were undercut by lower ppe from china when supply chains open backup. do we need to maintain domestic supplies in our own country in anticipation of future deception? >> you raise a good question. there is a risk if we go ahead stockpiling. i take in certain areas it's a price worth paying. long term public security. we are going to make certain investments in certain areas will probably want to get the expiration dates to come up with a way of getting those things out of stockpiles while they are

is not going down that route that it's going to compete with china and what are you hearing from china in terms of whether they think it will remain as confrontational as it apparently was in courage will will there in fact be more trade war more trade conflict essentially more of the trump approach i think china is ready. for that and especially because of the. diplomacy that it whole ready has been trying to do since 17 it has increasingly been harsh on other neighbors when like when they were attacked and they have tried to. like to try to show. the chinese people that trying the china is now strong that it can compete with the best in neighbors and i think china is going down that route that it's focusing much more on the domestic market that it's. driving itself away from corporation with the west but try to look into the domestic market how can how can. people from the chinese people think in like about china it's much more important for them to. has repeatedly said that there are certain topics and areas on which the u.s. must cooperate with russia and china be it arms control i

accuses china of. unfair economic practices the list is endless but this one big topic where they actually share common interests and that's the thing of climate change i mean enrolment of policies. yeah i think those 2 big countries they are the biggest polluters they can come together on the table and create some environmental policy i mean at least something that's not so sense that so they can work together they share common interests on that field very interesting course one of 5 incredible there in beijing jessica berlin here in germany thank you both very much. and let's take a look now at some other stories making news around the world a canadian business men accused of espionage has gone on trial in china michael spot or seen here in 2014 greeting n.b.a. star dennis rodman has spent over 2 years in custody canadian diplomats say they were not permitted to attend the opening of the trial and call the charges politically motivated. demonstrators have rallied in the u.s. city of atlanta to show s

is not going down that route that it's going to compete with china and what are you hearing from china in terms of whether they think it will remain as confrontational as it apparently was in courage will will there in fact be more trade war more trade conflict essentially more of the trump approach i think china is ready. for that and especially because of the. diplomacy that it whole ready has been trying to do since 17 it has increasingly been harsh on other neighbors when like when they were attacked and they have tried to. like to try to show. the chinese people that trying the china is now strong that it can compete with the west and neighbors and i think china is going down that route that it's focusing much more on the domestic market that it's. driving itself away from corporation with the west but try to look into the domestic market how can how can. people from the chinese people think in like about china it's much more important for them to himself has repeatedly said that there are certain topics and areas on which the u.s. must cooperate with russia and china be it arms c

accusations a cyber attacks by china spreading disinformation about china's covert 19 aphids and the 2018 foreign interference laws targeting china in the absence of evidence it's a bit ironic every time anyone suggests that there should be chinese within china they complying with your want to do fear with chinese internet it's the 14 points people talk about as as coercive as act of bullying what's wrong i can see what's wrong that is actually a kind of like a free candid exchange of all of us i think we belittle ourselves for talking about being bullied by china we have interest to the famed protect and we are doing it i believe but we need to be smarter in other places see. covert travel restrictions have confined raby to a stranger for the past year normally based in beijing he's on the board of china controlled this trading company un called. it also being heat oh. to china banda strain in cold following the straining government school for an investigation into covert 19 in april last year our ships are sitting off ports in china likely cause for ph peace and i will try to occur

it's about china's strength. well, first of all, since our economic relations are asymmetric with china, it is asymmetric agreement to address asymmetric situation. so there's substantial, much more new commitments in terms of market access, in terms of level playing field from the chinese side than there are from the eu side. but my point is they they've broken commitments in the past and you know that as well as i do. but you also know that, in the current context, with the oppression of the muslim uighur population in xinjiang province, with the repression, with new security laws of opponents of the chinese government in hong kong, you know that many europeans are thinking to themselves, "why on earth, at this "particular time, would we choose to cosy up to china "with a new investment deal against the wishes "of the united states? "why would we do that right now?" what's the answer? well, let me come back to the question you raised on fundamental ilo conventions. the commitment which china has taken in our ag

china we bought refrigerators made in china we bought all that stuff made in china and instead we could've just poured it into building stuff here locally right well what made the 20th century america centuries that america had something to prove to have kind of a chip on its shoulder there was got an inferiority complex compared to the european refined cultures and so it really put the shoulder to the wheel and built this magnificent economy and had glow. influence but by the 21st century america is exhausted it's just tired and it doesn't have anything to prove anymore but china after being on the margins for so long does have something to prove and they do have the capacity and they are putting shoulder to the wheel and they are worked at it well you need infrastructure to compete the american elite don't feel like we need to compete because they they merican the elites and exclusively print money they can print money for themselves and well we could also send in the air force wherever we want or the navy or the marines and just go take your stuff well out south i mean that's what they

and china, and china and the eu. for china and the eu, they already have an agreement to work on climate change together. i think earlier on you had a report about what was just said on the sidelines of the npc meeting. he said we are ready to work with the united states. one of the key areas is climate change. and we know, john kerry being the u.s. climate czar, and the chinese envoy on climate change, these are two very old friends who have worked before to help with the paris agreement. so i think these two old soldiers, they are back in play. i expect to say before scotland this year that perhaps these two old soldiers, they are back in play, and i expect to see that before scotland this year -- rishaad: as this rulership gets worse, that cooperation may go by the wayside and that could be tragic. christine: i think the two sides do not want to break off relations altogether. i think you have president biden talking about competition. you have china talking about, well, don't mess around with my sovereignty. i th

i mean china is important but china is not that important also and we have to remember that. together in the wake of the tsunami so what are the set of issues that we see that poor countries are talking about are eventually public goods the provision of public goods provision of backseat if you get a don't issue and so a security issue and so on so there is a lack of the provision of these public goods and i think it's that it's a good thing that beautiful country learn to stand limitations and have decided to work together yes it's true you know they have sort of dance floor are sort of dropped the last several times in the past but i think now will turn level of convergence between these 4 countries or among these 4 countries on multiple issues is now sustained and sustainable what do you make of the fact that a joint statement was quite blunt when it came to the issue of maritime security. it spelled out that it's collaborating collaboration including in maritime security is to meet challenges to the rules based maritime order in the east and south china seas what's the me

and china depending on your interest and especially also pain chinese if you are not anti china people assume you've been influenced. last year when she into all the chinese a strains fronted a senate inquiry to talk about increasing their communities engagement in politics they came under attack from a conservative government senator eric abetz. and i asked whether they are willing to unconditionally. the chinese communist party. so that was a shocking question from the senator and says that if you die i pledged loyalty therefore we can't trust that's basically the underlying assumption the question was asked to 3 chinese australians not the other papers who were. discussing exactly the same issue so you don't have to wonder why it was only tug 3 chinese strains. my feeling is that there is a lack of proportionality and context in this whole china threat. geoff raby is a former strain ambassador to china there's nothing wrong with having of the faults setting which is risk averse but that doesn't need to be. a point by which we attack. the legitimacy of the chinese communist party and

high-level talks between china and the u.s. have ended in alaska with only significant breakthrough. both sides in front of the cameras. really tensions over human rights and economic power. >> we knew going in there are a number of areas where we are fundamentally at odds, including china's actions in shenyang, with hong kong, ttibet, and the actions it is taking in cyberspace. it is no surprise that when we raised those issues, we got a defensive response. >> the u.s. president said asian americans have been attacked and scapegoated. joe biden and his vice president have been visiting the state of georgia, talking to community leaders. eight people were killed in a mass shooting tuesday. six of the victims were women of asian descent. brazil's president is taking several of h country's states to court to force them to overturn lockdown restrictions. 90,000 new cases were registered on thursday. the first time the barrier has been passed. a volcano has erupted in iceland's southwest in the middle of the peninsula between the c

also hope to profit from that china is an increasingly attractive market for the e.u. as chinese consumers will also use the growing disposable income to buy european products some german companies already make a large part of their sales in china like strong which makes components for the semiconductor industry carmaker v.w. and chip maker infinium a joint investment agreement which the e.u. and china finalized in december could make the chinese market even more accessible to european firms among other things it aims to ensure fear of competitive conditions in the future of course china's 5 year plan is primarily about their own progress the people's democratic republic wants to become more independent particularly in light of recent trade disputes with the united states that too could create new opportunities for european companies. to talk more about china's economic ties with europe and the rest of the world i'm joined now by seattle at t.t. she is an economist at the evil instances at the center for international economics in you nick dr to date you've called on t

china relations. is this a frank exchange of views or is this the beginning of an even worse spat between the u.s. and china that's not clear that'll depend what's going on now behind closed doors but there were very tough words you heard there from the secretary of state of the u.s. criticism of china and criticism of what china describes as its own internal affairs then the chinese side hit back saying there are different forms of democracy the u.s. has a form of democracy china has its own form of democracy they also made the case that the u.s. cannot lecture anyone on human rights they refer to the u.s. policy in recent decades of regime change they said that when china gets criticized for human rights what about human rights here in the united states where they say african-americans are being slaughtered by the chinese also said you don't welcome guests because of course chinese the chinese delegation is a guest of the u.s. here in alaska by introducing sanctions and that's because the u.s. sanct