thurman and i asked him before the break why howard thurman matters. >> howard thurman believes in the search for mmon ground. he h speisollifetime wanting for me to be me and you to be you. >> that's good. >> if i go down deep inside of myself with my deep spirituality, i will come inside of you. he believed we are related and we are spiritually related. one hurt you, hurt me. he was always on what he called the sit to find spirituality. it's important especially today. through the church and other places, he was a model for people to come together, not to divide. to come together. he believed that where we are stripped to the literal substance of ourselves, we le, female, black or white. there is this presence and a human soul that is developed. that is not negating our social identities, but it is a way of saying that there is something within each person that longs for the hunger of the heart and lungs for connection. it's not only with ourselves, but the all debating presence. >> a tremendous summary and that is just touching the surface. it's wonderful the way you speak about him