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it all started with a guy named michael cohen. the investigate that led to this point started with an investigation into payments during the 2016 campaign that were designed to keep two women from talking publicly about their alleged affairs with candidate trump. those payments were campaign finance felonies and the president's lawyer michael cohen went to prison for them. the payments that cohen made to those women, however, were reimbursed by the president's business as if they were payments to cohen for legal services. depending on how exactly that was done that could be a crime related to keeping fraudulent business records. if those fake legal expenses were deducted on the firm's taxes that could also be tax fraud. cohen then testified to congress, you'll remember that, and he provided some documentation attesting to what he described as a long running scheme by the former president to defraud insurance companies, banks and tax authorities by radically changing the valuation of his various properties to get better loans or be

motortrend's 2021 car of the year. ♪ ♪ >>> michael cohen. you know him. he met with prosecutors in new york for the eighth time today, according to a person familiar with the matter. president trump's former fixer might be the most well-known name, certainly the most infamous, in the investigation by the manhattan district attorney's office. but can they really expect to bring a case against donald trump completely leaning on michael cohen? if you have a flawed witness, you end up with a flawed case. i'm not judging the man. i'm just says his past may prove a burden. but it turns out he may not be the person with the most inside information. that would be allen weisselberg. in fact michael cohen often referred to him in his dealings for trump, that weisselberg knew and helped with everything, weisselberg is the long time cfo of the trump organization. his role in the trump business dates back decades to when the former president's father was running the place. now, one person who knows this world better than most is our next guest. she is the ex-wife of o

. >> new reaction from donald trump's former personal attorney, michael cohen. what he's saying about meeting number eight with the manhattan district attorney's office as the investigation into the former president's finances heats up. >>> a major shift in the cdc guidelines that will bring students back into the classroom. why it could be a game changer for schools struggling to reopen. >>> new updates on that fencing around the capitol. it could come down as soon as this weekend, as unsealed federal filings are shedding new light on the insurrection. good morning. it is saturday, march 20th. it's officially been spring for about 23 minutes now. >> for 23 minutes! i'm kendis gibson. we're live at msnbc world headquarters in new york. you wouldn't be able to tell it by looking outside right now. >> no. >> it's still fairly dark. thank you, daylight saving time. >> daylight saving. >> exactly. but it is officially spring as of, as lindsey said, 23 minutes ago. we have a lot to get to this morning and we have a team of correspondents standing by with the very lat

attorneys office mark palmerance and now eight meetings with michael cohen to kind of help michael cohen put some meat on the financial crimes bones, help them decipher all of these financial records they're going through. and then the last little piece we learned about today, lawrence, was the interview with jennifer weisselberg, which is really interesting piece. because of course allen weisselberg, long time chief financial officer and book keeper for trump in the trump organization, jennifer weisselberg is the ex-wife of one of allen weisselberg's son, barry weisselberg. and here's where it gets really interesting for allen weisselberg. she said a couple of important things. she said, you know, allen defines himself by what donald trump thinks of him. but i'll tell you, lawrence, it sure looks to me they may be interviewing jennifer weisselberg to see if they can get at potential crimes if there's evidence of potential crimes by barry weisselberg, the son, and then leverage that to try to convince allen weisselberg, the father to flip on donald trump. so allen weisselberg may find hi

attorneys office mark pomerantz and now eight meetings with michael cohen to kind of help michael cohen put some meat on the financial crimes bones, help them decipher all of these financial records they're going through. and then the last little piece we learned about today, lawrence, was the interview with jennifer weisselberg, which is a really interesting piece. because of course allen weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer and book keeper for trump in the trump organization, jennifer weisselberg is the ex-wife of one of allen weisselberg's sons, barry weisselberg. and here's where it gets really interesting for allen weisselberg. she said a couple of important things. she said, you know, allen defines himself by what donald trump thinks of him. but i'll tell you, lawrence, it sure looks to me like they may be interviewing jennifer weisselberg to see if they can get at potential crimes if there's evidence of potential crimes by barry weisselberg, the son, and then leverage that to try to convince allen weisselberg, the father, to flip on donald trump. so allen weisselberg may

joining me now michael cohen, the author of disloyal. a memoir, the true story of the former personal attorney to president donald j. trump. thank you for joining us tonight. >> welcome. >> i wasn't a fly on the wall. if i were, i know you have arrangements with the manhattan d.a. what part can you tell me about what went down today? i do not have any arrangement with anybody. i asked for nothing and they offered nothing. whatever information they seek, if i am capable of providing that to them i do. i also believe that the right thing to do is not to provide that information. i don't want to see the trump organization or mr. weisslberg obtain a benefit you heard that he could be the ultimate tour guide through the system. a lot of people thought you would be the tour guide. tell me about what he may have known that you already know. >> right. he is the chief financial officer of the trump organization. he is by far the longest serving and acting executive at the trump organization. basically fred trump told donald to take allen weisslbe

it starts to look like that's what's going on with michael cohen. as you mentioned, there have been millions of pages of financial documents, tax records and accounting records from donald trump's accounting firm. and i found an interesting nugget in this evening's reporting when they said that michael cohen's seventh interview was a virtual interview. it was a teleconference. but then for the eighth interview, they said they really need you to come down in person. the first thing i thought of is they need him help, having him plow through probably hundreds or thousands of documents because he knows where some of the financial bodies are buried. and it is a lot easier to sit down with a witness like michael cohen and plow through all that paperwork in person rather than trying to do it virtually. >> and there is another person whose attention they seem to be focussed on. great reporting from "the washington post" tonight. writing that the manhattan district attorney is probing the extent of allen weissle burg's loyalty to donald trump and cross-suit

it starts to look like that's what's going on with michael cohen. and as you mentioned, there have been millions of pages of financial documents, tax records, and accounting records from donald trump's accounting firm, mazars. and i found an interesting nugget in this evening's reporting when they said that michael cohen's seventh interview was a virtual interview. it was a teleconference. but then for the eighth interview, they said we really need you to come down in person. the first thing i thought of is they need help, having him plow through probably hundreds or thousands of documents because he knows where some of the financial bodies are buried. and it is a lot easier to sit down with a witness like michael cohen and plow through all that paperwork in person rather than trying to do it virtually. >> and there is another person whose attention they seem to be focused on. in some great reporting from "the washington post" tonight, they are writing that the manhattan district attorney is probing the extent of allen weisselberg's loyalty to donal

weisselberg was like michael cohen, a guy involved in everything. he was involved with donald trump and donald trump's father. so he's been with the trump organization for a very long time. and to some people they say, if weisselberg gets threatened with indictments, he might like michael cohen turn around and help prosecutors. we don't know if he's helping them or not. do you get the impression that these prosecutors probably have enough any way to move ahead with an indictment? >> you know, it's hard to make that assessment from the outside. but the important calculus that prosecutors will be engaging in is how much better their case looks if they have a witness who can act as the narrator from the witness instant for all of these documents. it's hard to make the documents come to life in a trial setting without a live person. so for weisselberg, if there is misconduct in his own past, prosecutors will likely focus on that, see if there is a prosecutable case against him. that's probably one of the reasons that they're talking to his ex-daughter i

michael cohen was interviewed today by the manhattan district attorney's office pursuing an investigation into the president. cohen said he believes today's interview was on the heels of a supreme court decision allowing the president's tax returns and documents to be handed over to prosecutors and investigators are interested in the chief financial officer alan weisselberg. >> can you speak about trump's family and alan weisselberg? >> sometime later today. >> did you think weisselberg will cooperate? >> if he's smart he would. >> will the tax records and financial statements the d.a. receives need to be released? >> that sounds to me like the holy grail. >> an audio tape surfaced of the former president talking to the georgia secretary of state's office. different from the one he had with the secretary himself which you probably heard. a lot going on, john dean, you tweeted about personal experience you don't visit seven times if you're not planning to indict. how can you be so confident of that? the fact that they brought him in for a seventh time, couldn't you also read into it that t

cohen's testimony before congress, we have some significant evidence based on what michael cohen's plea was in the southern district of new york, so there is pretty much a lot of evidence that he should be able to get an indictment and win a conviction. and that it would be very hard to avoid doing that before he leaves office. >> let's stick with michael cohen. the manhattan d.a.'s office wants to interview him for an eighth time, this time with an in-person sit-down interview. what type of information can they learn from cohen and what does it tell you they have invested already so much time with him? >> it tells me he is a significant witness who they believe and that they're spending time with him. right now he's going back for an eighth interview and as our watergate witness john dean said, that doesn't happen if they don't think you're useful and if they don't think they have a prosecutable case. i agree with john dean that it's likely that michael cohen is going to be significant. they may have him right now reviewing the millions of pages of information they have gleaned and hav

but michael cohen will feature centrally. he's met with prosecutors many times and we know from his congressional testimony that he put a lot of bad evidence out there about the president. so he's probably giving prosecutors behind closed doors even more bad evidence. the question is whether or not it's enough to make a criminal case against the president. former president. >> so let's talk about the sheer number of times michael cohen has been interviewed. we're talking about seven possibly coming back for an eighth. how atypical is it? >> it depends on the complexity of the case. i've had cooperating witness times who meet many times with prosecutors. it depends on how wide reaching the economic crime may be or the investigation may be. and in white collar cases, you typically have so much paper, so many documents, especially tax cases that there's so much evidence to go over. these are huge cases with terabytes worth of data and they need a cooperator to take them through all the documents and really squeeze that cooperato

so that's what's going on with michael cohen. another potential player there, someone who can get them a bit of visibility into the weisselberg-trump relationship is weisselberg, one of his ex-family members is speaking out. that's jennifer weisselberg. we had the opportunity to speak with her. let's take a listen. for 14 years until 2018 jennifer weisselberg was married to a son of trump organization chief financial officer allen weisselberg. >> allen weisselberg is defined by what donald thinks about him, about saving him money regardless every day proving his worth by doing that. creatively. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes. >> she says she gained her own insights into the trump orbit before her marriage to barry weisselberg ended in a bitter divorce. from visiting trump's signature golf courses to her front row seat at the 2016 presidential inaugural she says the weisselberg family has been loyal to

. >> what michael cohen had to say about his eighth visit -- eight, with the manhattan d.a.'s office and that's next. at the top of the hour the bad actors of the gop. lawrence o'donnell of msnbc's "the last word," and he has a thing or two to say about that including the future of the filibuster coming up in the next hour. e filibuster coming up in the next hour are you packed yet? our flight is early tomorrow. and it's a long flight too. once we get there, we will need... buttercup! ♪ did you know that some aluminum free deodorants only mask odor? secret aluminum free helps eliminate odor instead of just masking it. and is made with 3x more odor fighters. with secret, keep it fresh every day. secret. you may have many reasons for waiting to go to your doctor right now. but if you're experiencing leg pain, swelling, or redness, don't wait to see your doctor. these could be symptoms of deep vein thrombosis, a blood clot which could travel to your lungs and lead to a pulmonary embolism. which could cause chest pain or discomfort, or difficulty breathing—and be deadly. your

the american public is going to be hearing a lot, a lot, a lot, and separately, michael cohen spoke to cy vance's office for the eighth time today and i spoke to michael earlier in the week and he thinks that something's fairly imminent, that they are really, really going fast. this is not something long in the future, and mr. weisselberg will be front and center as tom has been hinting at. >> with -- can you tell us how michael cohen and weisselberg interacted? i remember allen weisselberg had some limited immunity around that campaign finance case, i believe, the one that contributed to michael cohen going to jail. but how did they interact, and what's -- where do you think the intersection is between what michael cohen is being asked about and allen weisselberg's exposure? >> allen will know a hundred times more than michael. allen really kept protecting trump and there were a lot of things that when michael was talking to congress and he spent so many hours ahead of time before and he spent dozens and dozens of hours with prosecutors, there are certainly financial things he didn't

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i agree with john dean that it's likely that michael cohen is is going to be significant. they may have him reviewing the millions of pages of information they have gleaned and having him point to -- for example, he testified they changed the valuation of property depending on whether they wanted to get a loan, in which case they would escalate the value, or if they wanted a tax deduction, in which case they would deflate it. he could point to the records that show exactly that. he could be a very useful witness. >> i want to turn to the investigation in georgia. we learned the fulton county d.a. hired a top racketeering lawyer. what does that tell you, jill? >> first of all, i would never have guessed that in talking about a president of the united states that my experience as an organized crime prosecutor would be more relevant than my watergate experience, but it is, because when you look at the two recordings in georgia, it's not the president saying i want you to break the law. he talks in the way that mafia dons talk. it's sort of in code and everybody understands ex

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he was given limited immunity to testify against michael cohen. he did not face prosecution himself. this is something different. there is no evidence they are targeting the investigation but they are a focus of the inquiry in terms of what allen weisselberg is aware of and questions about his sons. it narrows it a bit on what cy vances office is looking at as they pursue this case against former president trump. >> is it clear why investigators are interested in learning more about his sons? >> it's not clear why they are interested other than these are two people who are connected to trump businesses in different ways. one son had some relationship with the woman skating rink in central park. the other son works for one of trump's lenders so these are two different avenues. it not clear what if any over lap there is or what specifically they are looking for but this is part of a potential financial case that vance is looking at against the former president related to his businesses. >> what is interesting about it is the former president is a fo

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michael cohen was interviewed today by the manhattan district attorney's office pursuing an investigation into the president. cohen said he believes today's interview was on the heels of a supreme court decision allowing the president's tax returns and documents to be handed over to prosecutors and investigators are interested in the chief financial officer alan weisselberg. >> can you speak about trump's family and alan weisselberg? >> sometime later today. >> did you think weisselberg will cooperate? >> if he's smart he would. >> will the tax records and financial statements the d.a. receives need to be released? . >> that sounds to me like the holy grail. >> an audio tape surfaced of the former president talking to the georgia secretary of state's office. different from the one he had with the secretary himself which you probably heard. a lot going on, john dean, you tweeted about personal experience you don't visit seven times if you're not planning to indict. how can you be so confident of that? the fact that they brought him in for a seventh time, couldn't you also read into it that

michael cohen says there's reason for donald trump to worry. welcome to a new hour of "american voices." >>> in the space of hate, atlanta stands together. today hundreds gathered for a stop the hate rally honoring the eight victims of this week's deadly shooting. their solidarity coming at nbc news obtains new surveillance video. it shows a suspect entering one of the three spas he attacked more than an hour before doing so. president biden and vice president harris paused their help is on the way tour to address the growing epidemic of anti-asian violence. >> hate can have no safe harbor in america. it must stop. >> racism is real in america. and it has always been. >> as the administration helps america heal from hate, it's also working to get americans vaccinated. the 100 millionth anecdote of coronavirus vaccines were administered friday, beating expectations. president biden also making news announcing he will forgive roughly $1 billion in student loan debt for borrowers that were defrauded by their institutions. yamiche alcindor, white h

funny, he's got a lawyer who helped get him impeached the first time and previously michael cohen has met with the d.a. seven of times and is reportedly being asked by senior officials to return for an eighth interview. that caused former president nixon's attorney. quote, i assure you you do not invite someone to washington seven times. it's only a matter of how many days until d.a. vance indicts donald and company. my next guest says, quote -- it is likely to be speedier and more direct than any criminal reckoning. joining me now is the former united states attorney and professor at the university of alabama, joyce vance, also an msnbc contributor. good morning. you wrielt in the article, donald trump has famously expressed the view that only the guilty take the fifth, but the mere events around january 6th lacking any privilege might prove fuel for the criminal investigation. tell us what you mean by that. >> well, the fifth amend is a double-edged sword if you're donald trump. he now has two congressmen that implicate him surrounding the insurrection. one way to get out of the dep

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he was given limited immunity to testify against michael cohen. he did not face prosecution himself. this is something different. again, there is no evidence they are targets in the investigation but they are a focus of the inquiry in terms of what weisselberg is aware of and some questions about his sons. it narrows it a bit on what cy vance's office is looking at as they pursue this case against former president trump. >> and is it clear why investigators are interested in learning more about his sons? >> it's not clear why they are interested other than these are two people who are connected in to trump businesses in different ways. one son had some relationship with the skating rink in central park. the other son works for one of trump's lenders so these are two different avenues. it not clear what if any overlap there is or what specifically they are looking for but this is all part of a potential financial case that vance is looking at against the former president related to his businesses. >> and what is interesting about it is, the former

prosecutors are interested in speaking to michael cohen about this. he knows how the company works. he's the former president's fixer. he knows the relationships between the president and his chief financial officer, allen weisselberg. this is a financial investigation. knowledge about how the place works is really key. john dean, the former white house counsel to president nixon reacted to this yesterday and he said, i assure you, you do not visit a prosecutor's office seven times if they are not planning to indict those about whom you have knowledge. it's important note, this is a complex financial investigation. it involves taxes and real estate, of which there are their own unique set of rules. this is an investigation that is still underway. it has picked up in its pace, but the prosecutors had only obtained late last month millions of documents from donald trump's former accountant or donald trump's accountant. they now have these millions of pages of documents that they're going through and we're going to see a lot more of these interviews continue. alisyn? >> we'll see if jo

michael cohen, eight times into it and do you get the sense that they're far into it or a long way to go? michael cohen speaking to our own ali velshi is giving us a portrait of the process and not all of the details, but the process being reams of binders, evidence out on the table and doublechecking things that they found and i gave the building example earlier. if cohen or weisselberg said something about a building they then go try to find out the info and then they go back to him. you have to go back and forth with most witnesses five, six, seven, eight times, no and that speaks to how thorough they're being or they're finding things they want to follow up on and we know this about donald trump's taxes, a lot of this was deliberately opaque and confusing. confusing is not a crime. confusing with the intent to deceive new york authorities, government taxes can be a crime. so you're dealing with someone who has made a career out of running circles and loopholes around different government agencies, real estate, and he bragged about it, donald trump in the debates before he was pres

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and people, like michael cohen will attest to this. and i can attest to this, personally. he won't, outright, ask someone to break the law. he knows where the line is, and he will give you a wink and a nod. and suggest that you go over that line, and you break the law, for him. but donald trump doesn't just stop there. he'll put pressure on you. so, while -- while i worked in the trump administration, when he would do that to cabinet secretaries, and say, i want you to do something illegal say,.pentagon or with troops or at the border, he would do a wink and a nod and say i need you to do something and go harder. and on the other hand, he would threaten them with their jobs. and we saw something similar in georgia. is he demanded or insisted, rather, that they do something on his behalf, that clearly would have been illegal. but also, on the other hand, was making threats about how difficult he could make their lives, politically, if they didn't follow through. if that's not corruption, i do not know what is. >> and myles, i want to pick up really quickly, i have like ten

>> so i think this is somewhat analogous to the michael cohen situation, right? you look at michael cohen, somebody who pleaded guilty to lying to congress, pleaded guilty to a whole host of federal charges, yet he is speaking with the manhattan district attorney's office. we talked about that and reported on that before. why do you speak to somebody like this? to gain some additional insight beyond what you can see in the documents. but at the end of the day if michael cohen or general weisselberg or somebody else close to the trump organization ends up testifying, those underlying financial documents will still be the linchpin, foundation of any sort of case. so it really helps corroborate that person's statement no matter what they've done in their personal life. it's a challenge for prosecutors if they decide to charge but it's not something that's insurmountable. >> all right, tom winter, thank you so much. tom, all over this story. >>> before we go to break, sit down for this. the fbi has released ten videos of what it describes as the most egregious attack

. >>> you know on any given day, michael cohen has got a lot to say. what he's revealing after his eighth visit with the manhattan d.a.'s office next. eighth visit with the manhattan a.'s office next more of the best. 5g from america's most reliable network. more plans you can mix and match and save. more of the entertainment you love. and the phone you want on us. all starting at just $35. only from verizon. >>> more now on mounting legal troubles for donald trump after his former attorney michael cohen was interviewed for the eighth time by the manhattan district attorney. my colleague, msnbc's lindsey reiser is joining me now from outside the d.a.'s office. lindsey, what is michael cohen telling prosecutors and what do you think this means for trump's legal jeopardy? >> reporter: they're honing in right now on this investigation into his finances, so it's really into his assets and whether the former president inflated those assets to get tax breaks, to get favorable loan conditions and they're also looking into those hush money payments made to wom

is michael cohen still helping the prosecutors in the case? >> sources say michael cohen has been meeting with prosecutors. i think he's up to his eighth or ninth interview. >> wow. >> he was a long-time adviser to the president. he certainly knows a lot of information, particularly about the hush money payments. also useful to prosecutors, he can help explain how the company works and what the relationship is like between all of these players. brooke? >> kara, thank you very much. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me here. let's go to washington. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with breaking news for you today. moments ago the fbi released new videos of the suspect who left pipe bombs outside both the republican national committee and democratic national committee headquarters the night before the capitol insurrection. officials believe the pipe bombs may have been intentionally placed there, away from the capitol, in

>> there are people vastly worst than michael cohen. people who have committed multiple murderers. they have to be participants of this. and mike cold hen has tape recordings, documents and memos and one of the reasons he is interviewed seven times and there will be more i'm sure. there is a lot of nuance and sultty in learning the record, where there is a hole that could turn tout be a problem, the defense could exploit when they get to trial. >> what is at stake for trump? we are a long way away from chur churching decisions. what is at stake? >> for donald? >> yeah, we never had a former president charged. -- >> go ahead, ali, finish. >> this is history. this is everything. we never had a former president charged before, and not only his political future but his own liberty is at stake if he is charged. >> well, i appreciate you both so much. thank you so much. and we just had a bit of a delay there. mother of three. she lost her husband nearly a year ago, and the profound loss she was so generous to share. tonight she is back with all of us . cost, your home can be rebuilt, reg

met with michael cohen who is cooperating with other witnesses. they're pouring through the tax returns. can result in criminal charges against trump, his family and people in his business. today important development, cy vance will not seek re-election, will step down end of the year. raises big questions how all this will play out. someone who has done incredible reporting on vance is jane mayer. must-read new piece, can cyrus vance jr. nail trump. trump's taxes and businesses have felt like a mcguffin, a plot device, there's some mystery, if only we find it out, will be the end of it. i put the cy vance investigation in that category until i read your piece and thinking this is serious. is that your read on this? >> i think it is quite serious, and i think that what you can tell from talking to people close to the investigation is that they are -- they really -- the quotes from people i interviewed who have been in and been interviewed by the investigators say they mean business. they're asking questions that are not just broad but are laser sh

. >> i want to ask you about michael cohen. he's going into cy vance's investigators for an eighth time. he also cooperated with the mueller probe. you know a little bit of what michael cohen knows. what could he possibly be talking about on visit number eight? >> well, you know, this is speculation, but i think that they have to be asking michael cohen about the documents that they just got from the trump accounting firm. these are the documents that the manhattan district attorney's office has fought for and gone to the supreme court twice and won twice and finally has it in their possession, and i'm sure they are trying to get any leads, any information and see if there's any sort of intel they can gather from michael cohen on those documents. >> do you think there are? >> you know, i suspect that he has some inside information. i still do not think he will end up being a witness for them, because he has a whole host of baggage, but i think you want to exhaust all information so that you can pursue any and all leads. i am co

if you remember michael cohen who turned on him and second a plea deal, one thing that pushed him over the line, they started looking at legal liabilities of his wife. as brutal as it sounds, this is what prosecutors do to find liability on them or their children. >> and just by looking at that grainy image, i assume he is not a very easy person to track down and not easy to get ahold of. how have the weisselbergs responded? >> it's all been no comment so far. they are not public figures. there is no twitter account. when we reach out to lawyers, they're all no comment. >> weisselberg previously testified and was granted immune into the infamous hush money payments that led to the prosecution of michael cohen. in terms of his potential cooperation, what are the biggest differences in this investigation? >> well, i think you make good appointment. allen weisselberg is not some silent person who has never spoken to the authorities about donald trump. he's given testimony that has been damaging to trump in the past. the trump foundation investigation, when the new york attorney general in

>> i think we can expect that michael cohen might not just be someone who is providing information for the prosecutors to build their case. he may be an actual witness. i mean, meeting with prosecutors seven times and now there's reports there's going to be an eighth time, it tells me it, perhaps, could be more than background information in building the case but he may play a significant role going further, should there be an indictment and trial. he may be a witness and take the stand. >> gary and midwin charles, thank you so much. >>> speaking with george floyd's first cousin following the historic death settlement. >>> and governor cuomo under fire. how it could hurt his efforts his to hang on to his job. we'll dive into that next. g on . we'll dive into that next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [music: "i swear"] jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was. you can always spot a first time gain flings user. ♪ visible is wireless that doesn't play games. no surprise fees, legit unlimited data for as little as $25 a month. and the best part, it's

remember, that when michael cohen eventually flipped, he had spent several months saying he wouldn't, he wouldn't, he wouldn't, and then he was told that prosecutors in the southern district were going to charge not just him, but his wife. that was the pressure point that was pushed. i think that it would be something similar. but again, i'm still not sure that allen weisselberg would do that. allen weisselberg has been with the trump organization for >> maggie haberman, thanks very much for that. >> thank you. >>> roger stone is living his best life. i have video evidence of this. this is outside of cpac. he's a well-known rapper. well, he wants to be. you want to see it? ♪ ♪ patriots pulling up x knocking on the capitol ♪ >> the perfect future for him. >> it's all fun and games. this is a song about the insurrection. roger stone there is dancing to a song about the march at the u.s. capitol. here's a guy pardoned for his own crimes. this is a guy who may or may not be under investigation for his own alleged connection to the oath keepers. it's all a big joke. it's all a big jo

michael cohen has been asked back for an eighth interview. that was enough to make john dean, former white house counsel to president nixen say it is only a matter of days until vance indicts donald trump and others. what do you think of that? >> well, days may be optimistic, but michael cohen plays an important role for prosecutors who now have millions of pages of documents, the data that underlies trump taxes and other financial records. and it's such a help for them to have someone who can explain it. who better than the president's former lawyer, probably present for a lot of meetings and conversations, familiar with issues that get reflected in taxes. so it's no surprise that they have had cohen in so much. and it would seem to indicate that they're very interested in what's contained in the papers that they have finally received. >> what do you think of that call in georgia, the one that "the wall street journal" reported on? how does that affect the overall investigation, you think? >> you know, joshua, i have been thinking about thes

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investigates trump's bid to steal the state's votes, and his former fixer, michael cohen, who already went to jail for a hush money scheme directed by trump, is apparently cooperating with the manhattan's district attorney's office in its investigation of trump's business dealings and taxes. >> cnn has learned that michael cohen, former trump lawyer and fixer, met with prosecutors from the manhattan district attorney's office for a seventh time as their investigation of the former president continues. >> seth: seven interviews? my god, they're going to have to publish the indictment as a multi-part series like "game of thrones. i'm no lawyer, but generally speaking it's not good when the prosecutor investigating you does more interviews with your personal fixer than there are episodes in an hbo mini series when trump heard about the seven interviews with cohen, he was probably as shocked as nicole kidman was when she found out her charming british husband with a mysterious past, who was estranged from his family, had conspicuously left his phone at home during a trip that he was purpo

meanwhile, trump's former fixer michael cohen agreeing to his seventh interview today. feds probing donald trump's seven springs eestate. cone had said, alleged that trump inflated property values. it's all part of new york general has a probe into this. her investigations have interviewed eric trump, questioning him in his role as an officer with the trump organization and as president of an llc which owns that little known property, seven springs. joyce, what can we make over these developments which seem to be pulling on the thread the mueller probe was just mentioned where trump got away with much there and yet some of the things that mueller specifically said were out of his purview might have still been potential infractions? >> you'll remember, ari, that trump always said that the red line prosecutors couldn't cross that mueller could cross was into his personal finances. and so it's interesting that that's where cy vance has ended up. you know, i know it's very frustrating to people to watch who aren't involved in the criminal justice system, to watch how slowly

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cohen's case, would they think it is better to wait for the new u.s. attorney to be fully confirmed by the senate in place to do that? would that be a factor in thinking about how to perceive with such a case? >> i don't think so. i think that this is something that the attorney general is certainly going to weigh in on if there were to be such a case and that's a big "if." that's something would go to for approval by the attorney general. we bring that case when it is ready whether it is audrey strauss or the in coming person should not have an effect on the timing. >> andrew wisemann, thank you very much for coming on. >> coming up, the senator that does not need any introduction. jeff merkely joins us next. mert king's hawaiian sliced bread makes everything better! ♪ (angelic choir) ♪ and here's mine! ♪ ♪ it's not "pretty good or nothing." it's not "acceptable or nothing." and it's definitely not "close enough or nothing." mercedes-benz suvs were engineered with only one mission in mind. to be the best. in the category, in the industry... in

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