do you think baker? whack the imagination to imagine this kind of world war the soviet union could actually have joined nato. thank you, sergey. what an extraordinary question i'm really fascinated by it because my recollection of may 1990 is that gorbachev had other priorities and they were not. to antennato, so i find your question fascinating and i'll look further into it. thank you. thanks. thanks. sarah gave for your question as well. me call next on. susan backhelder if you're still with us, there we go. play some youtube. yes, but my question has to do with the relationship of the secretary of state and the president with the cia at that point. it seemed to me that the amount of information that was flowing. in the executive branches because of all of the connections that grew out of world war ii. and the oss and the various personal relationships that were forged during that time gave this administration. a particular resonance with personal relationships that had come out of that period i was wo

carol baker got 30 years. at sentencing, she brought to court the namesake randy baker never got a chance to meet. >> this is randy james. >> betty clings to her baby randy, her daughters and her husband, but it's hard, she said, missing her dad. >> this situation has made me felt like i'm not in control of anything in my life, and the one person who made me feel like i could be in control of it was him, and i can't call him to see if i'm handling this the right way or -- >> although i must tell you, as you're sitting here talking, you've been calling on him again and again. >> and in the end, with all her smiles and boundless good manners, randy baker's daughter is just as tough as he was. maybe tougher. maybe she just doesn't know it yet. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. ng >>> first up on msnbc, the nation's capitol, under attack again, just three months after the deadly insurrection. >> new reporting surrounding the death of capitol police officer b

baker iii." it's written by "new york times" white house correspondent peter baker and his wife susan glasser, who's the staff writer for "the new yorker." and i know that you fully cooperated with peter and susan in the research and setting up the interviews. but you did not have any editorial control over the final product. >> no. >> so, i'm sure you've read it. what's it like to read the biography of yourself published by double day and huge reviews in the "wall street journal," the "new york times." what did you think of the book and its presentation of your life? >> well, of course, i was a little apprehensive because i am a conservative republican. and "the new yorker" and the "new york times" are not necessarily conservative publications. but i determined that there really wasn't anything out there for me to hide. so i gave them everything. i gave them boxes, files of correspondence from years ago with my parents and with my sib, my sister and others. and i just said, have at it, because i

baker meant. dr. baker was able to tell you what he meant. he defined complicating as an intervention that occurred -- an intervention occurred and there was an untoward outcome on the heels of that intervention. and he gave you a specific example. he described a person having a hip surgery and a blood clot comes loose and that blood clot causes a death. the hip surgery didn't cause the death. the death was caused by the blood clot that complicated the surgery. so as i understand his testimony, what dr. baker was saying was that there was an unexpected result, the death of mr. floyd, occurred during an event where you would not generally expect such a complication. subdual and restraint. he specifically testified, dr. baker specifically testified that if he put it on the death certificate, it played a role in the death. if something is insignificant to death, you don't put it on the death certificate. so dr. baker's conclusions were that his hypertensive disease and drug use played a role. dr. baker concluded that mr. floyd's recent methamphe

intent was right dr thomas speculated about what she thought dr baker meant dr baker was able to tell you what he she defined complicating as an intervention that occurred an intervention occurred and there was an untoward outcome on the heels of that intervention and he gave you a specific example he described a person having a hip surgery and a blood clot comes loose and that blood clot causes a death the hip surgery didn't cause the death the death was caused by the blood clot that complicated the surgery so as i understand. what dr baker was say was that there was an unexpected result the death of mr floyd occurred during an event where you would not generally expect such a complication subduing restraint he specifically testified dr basic baker specifically testified. that if he put it on the faster to figure it played a role in the death if something is insignificant to death you don't put it on the certificate so dr baker's conclusions that mr floyd's arteriosclerotic and hypertensive disease played a role in the death of mr ford dr baker concluded that mr floyd's phantom intox

they did call doctor baker and talk about doctor baker in a minute. finally the state called doctor rich, a cardiologist that concluded despite a 90% narrowing of the right coronary artery is 75% narrowing the left anterior descending artery, despite an enlarged heart and history of hypertension, that is floyd had a strong heart and that none of those pre—existing and coexisting conditions in any way contributed to the death of mr floyd. i contributed to the death of mr flo d. , , ., , ., contributed to the death of mr flo d. , , ., floyd. i submit to you that the testimonies _ floyd. i submit to you that the testimonies of _ floyd. i submit to you that the testimonies of doctor - floyd. i submit to you that the testimonies of doctor tobin, l floyd. i submit to you that the i testimonies of doctor tobin, rich, thomas and others, it flies the absolute face of reason and common sense. it's astounding. especially when you consider the actual findings of doctor baker. because doctor baker is the only person who actually performed the autopsy in this cas

secretary baker. thank you for taking time and and being with us today is the the final mark of this very important conference. thank you damage. i'm delighted to be with you. now since you've been a leader in so many different arenas and we're going to be talking about the lawyers leader. i think a logical place to start the conversation is how do you define define the word leadership secretary baker? well, you know, i think it was the great historian james mcgregor burns. who said that leadership is a commitment to values and the perseverance to fight for those values. i think that's a pretty good description of leadership the the toughest part of that formula is the commitment to to fight for those values and getting it done, you know in washington dc even back in the days when i was there. it's easy to kill deals. it's hard to make to get deals done. it's hard to make deals. and the really difficult part of leadership in my view is the doing. the knowing is really important, but it's not as tough

baker men. dr. baker was able to tell you what he meant. he defined complicating as an intervention that occurred -- an intervention occurred and there was untoward outcome on the heels of that intervention. he gave you a specific example. he described a person having a hip surgery. and a blood clot comes loose. and the blood clot causes a death. the hip surgery didn't cause the death. the death was caused by the blood clot that complicated the surgery. so as i understand his testimony, what dr. baker was saying was that there was an unexpected result, the death of mr. floyd, occurred during an event where you would not generally expect such a complication. subdual and restraint. he specifically testified -- dr. baker specifically testified that if he put it on the death certificate is it played a role in the death. if something is insignificant to death, you don't put it on the death certificate. so dr. baker's conclusions, ethat mr. floyd's ar tier owe secular on theic and hypertensive disease played a role in the death of mr. floyd. dr.

baker? >> dr. baker, i've hand you a number of photographs that should have exhibit numbers 186, 235, 185, 236, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, and 192. i represent to you that's what you have. >> okay. >> if you could just look through the set and just confirm for the record that those are photographs that you took during your autopsy of mr. george floyd. >> so these are in fact autopsy photographs of mr. floyd and were taken by me. >> thank you. i'd like to redistribute them to the jury, your honor. >> dr. baker let me just ask you generally first about documented injuries that you saw with respect to mr. george floyd and i'll ask you about specific parts of the body. >> okay. >> did you note injuries to mr. floyd's back. >> i did not. >> didn't see any bruises, scrapes, et cetera. >> correct. >> what beaut injuries to mr. floyd's face? >> yes. mr. floyd has self injuries to his face. >> if you could, dr. baker, look at exhibit 186. and exhibit 235. >> i'll represent to you that jurors have seen these t

baker. andrew, michael, b.a.ker. >> good afternoon be, dra bake. >>reporter: good afternoon. >> before we -- well, first of all you conducted the autopsy and mr. george floyd. >> i did. >> before we get into the specifics of the autopsy why don't we explore your background a bit. you're the chief hennepin county medical examiner. >> that's correct. >> and would you tell us what it means to be the chief medical examiner in hennepin county. >> i've been the chief medical examiner for hennepin county since 2004. i'm actually the chief medical examiner for men pin dakotaa and scott counties. my office provides service to all three counties, about 1.85 million minnesotans. about a third of the day. falls within our catchment areas. the chief medical examiner means i supervise the rest of the staff, my other physicians, six other doctors as well as a doctor in training working under me. >> so before becoming the chief you were the assistant chief. >> correct. >> and that was in roughly 2002. >> co

baker meant. dr. baker was able to tell you what he meant. he defined complicating on an intervention that occurred, intervention occurred and there was an outcome on the heels of that intervention. he gave you a specific example. he described person having a hip surgery and a blood clot comes loose and that blood clot causes a depth. the hip surgery didn't cause the death. it was caused by the blood clot that complicated the surgery. as i understand it, what dr. baker was saying was that there was an unexpected result in the death of mr. floyd occurred during an event where you would not generally expect such a complication. dual and restraint. he specifically testified. dr. baker specifically testified that if he put it on the death certificate, it played a role in the death. if something is insignificant to death, you don't put it on the death certificate. dr. baker's conclusions that mr. floyd's hypertensive disease played a role in the death of mr. floyd. dr. baker concluded that mr. floyd's fentanyl intoxication played a role. dr. floyd

baker? >> dr. baker, i've handed you a number of photographs that should have exhibit numbers 186, 235, 185, 236, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, and 192. i'll represent to you that's what you have. >> okay. >> if you could just look through this set and just confirm for the record that those are photographs that you took during your autopsy of mr. george floyd. >> these are, in fact, autopsy photographs of mr. floyd and they were taken by me. >> thank you, dr. baker. i'd like to redistribute them to the jury. >> dr. baker, let me just ask you first about documented injuries you saw with respect to mr. george floyd and i'll ask you about specific parts of the body. >> okay. >> did you note any injuries to mr. floyd's back? >> i did not. >> didn't see any bruises, scrapes, et cetera? >> correct. >> what about injuries to mr. floyd's face? >> yes. mr. floyd had several injuries to his face. >> if you could, dr. baker, look at exhibit 186 and exhibit 235. i'll represent to you the jurors have seen these two

baker who did that. >> yes. >> you know dr. baker well? >> yes. >> and you know him to be a competent medical examiner? >> yes. >> he is the chief medical examiner for hinnepin county at this time? >> yes. >> i would like to go through a few things with you. let's talk about mr. floyd's heart first. what was the size of mr. floyd's heart as measured at autopsy? >> the weight was 540 grams. >> would you describe that as an enlarged heart? >> i would say it's slightly enlarged. >> there are different measures how to determine if a heart is enlarnld, right? >> right. some, by some categories, that would not be considered enlarged. >> there are two different primary measurements or primary ways of comparing mr. floyd's heart to determine if it is enlarged. the molina studies and northwestern studies? >> i see. there are probably multiple ways at looking at heart weights. those are two of them. there is one in europe. there are lots. >> but ultimately, based on all of your information, you would agree that mr. floyd's heart was slightly enlarge

baker? >> i think this is really important and part of the bow that the prosecution is putting on their case. for the past week we were hearing the scientific analysis. now we're hearing the medical analysis, all about caution. this is what the defense needs to focus on. they're timing when they're putting on their witnesses, especially the last witness, the medical examiner. i believe they wanted to time it to conclude their testimony at the end of the day so they can rest and have the jury contemplate all the evidence they presented so far without giving the defense time to cross examine and leave any doubt. >> paul, dr. baker is the 35th witness that the prosecution has called. is there a risk of calling too many witnesses? >> i think there always is. at some point the jury stops paying attention and it's too esoteric for them. one of the ways you can gauge that is by watching your jury to make sure they continue to be engaged or they're taking notes or that it's actually relevant either

baker who did that. right? >> yes. >> and you know dr. baker well? >> yes. >> and you know him to be a competent medical examiner? >> yes. >> he's the chief medical examiner for hennepin county at this time? >> yes. >> now, you were provided, again, with all of the information from his report, and i would like to go through a few of the things with you. let's talk about mr. floyd's heart first. >> okay. >> what was the size of mr. floyd's heart as measured at autopsy. >> the weight of mr. floyd's heart was 540 grams. >> okay. and would you explain or would you describe that as an enlarged heart? >> i would say it's a slightly enlarged heart, yes. >> and there are some different measures of how to base an enlarged heart, or how to determine if a heart is enlarged. right? >> right. by some categories, that heart would not be considered enlarged. >> so there's two, as i understand it, two different kind of primary measurements, or primary ways of comparing mr. floyd's heart to determine if it's enlarged. right? the molina studies and the northwestern st

baker's information about dr. baker's opinions in this case? >> nothing very specific. i mean, just what he put the autopsy report and all his >> just what he put in the autopsy report. >> in terms of the work complicating, it is capable of different definitions based on the forensic pathologist and so you as a forensic methodologist may have a different interpretation of what complicating means compared to doctor baker. and their is a reasonable degree of disagreement in any case generally for doctors to disagree with each other. >> that sometimes happens. >> you did not perform the actual autopsy of mister floyd. >> correct. >> that was doctor baker who did that. >> yes. >> you know doctor baker well and you know him to be a competent medical examiner. >> yes. >> the chief medical examiner at this time. >> yes. >> you were provided all the information from his report, let's talk about mister floyd's heart. what was the size of mister floyd's heart as measured at autopsy? >> the weight of mister floyd's heart is 540 grams. >> would you explain or describe that as an en

so dr baker. we did find from the toxicology amounts offense and all that methamphetamine in the results from the way that is correct. you didn't mention the other friend or meth in mr floyd's system. you mention those but you don't list the them either of them on the top line is causes of this. why is that. well the top one of the cause of death is really what you think is the most important thing that precipitated the death of other things that you think played a role in the death but were not direct causes get relegated to what's known as the other significant conditions part of the death certificate so the other significant good engineers are things that played a role in death but didn't directly cause the death so for example you know mr fellates use of fenton ill did not cause the sub duel or neck restraint his heart disease did not cause the the subdual or the neck restraint. so these are. items that may have contributed want to direct cause her. over the question. right so we've just been

baker did that, right? >> yes. >> and you know dr. baker left? >> yes. >> and you know he did a competent medical examiner? >> yes. >> he's the chief medical examiner for hennepin county at this time? >> yes. >> now come you provided a given with all of the information from this report and i would like to go through a few of the things with you. let's talk about mr. floyd's heart first. >> okay. >> what was the size of mr. floyd's heart as measured at autopsy? >> the weight of mr. floyd's heart was 540 grams. >> and would you explain or would you describe that as an enlarged heart? >> i would say it is a slightly enlarged heart, , yes. >> there are some different measures of how to base an enlarged heart or how to determine the carcass enlarged, right? >> right. by some categories that heart would not be considered enlarge enlarged. >> so there's tonight as i i understand it two different kind of primary measurements or primary ways of comparing mr. floyd's heart to determine if it is a large, right? the melena studies and a northwestern studies?

from the autopsy. >> say i approached doctor baker? [background noises] >> doctor baker, i handed you a number of photographs that should have exhibit numbers 186, 235, 185, 236, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191 and 192. if you could look through and confirm for the record that those are photographs you took during the autopsy and mr. george floyd. >> reserve autopsies of mr. floyd and they were taken by me. >> thanks, i'd like to redistribute them to the jury. [background noises] [background noises] [background noises] >> let me ask you generally first about documented injuries you saw, i'll ask you about pacific. did you know injuries to mr. floyd's shack? >> i did not. >> didn't see any bruises horse race? >> correct. >> what aboutut injuries to mr. floyd's face? >> yes, mr. floyd had several injuries. >> if you could, doctor baker, look at exhibit 186 and exhibit 235. [background noises] i represent the jurors has seen these photos. first, tell us what we see. >> these are photographs select side of mr. floyd's face. this would be after i c

andrew baker, the hannipan county medical examiner. >> do you dr. baker? >> i do. >> he was a pathology resident when i was on staff at hannipan county many years ago. when he did his fellowship i was one of the staff people there and after our officers merged i worked again with him at hannipan county. >> would you have been part of his training in his early formative years? >> yes. >> do you consider him a friend? >> yes. >> have you talked to him about this case? >> no, not since right after it happened. >> but you did review his report? >> yes. >> as well as mr. floyd's medical records? >> yes. >> did you review the history of terminal events from may of 2020. >> yeah, and what was kind of unique, absolutely unique in this case was the volume of materials that i had to review. i have never had a case like this that had such thorough documentation of the terminal events. >> and by way of the thorough documentation, what makes it so thorough in your opinion? >> the use of videos is unique in this case. certainly as medical examiners we use videos, but th

baker's testimony. paul butler joins us, an msnbc legal analyst and the author of "choke hold:policing back men," and katie fang and msnbc contributor, and a former u.s. attorney from minnesota. good to have all of you with us. before we dive in, let me just say that part of what we're going to do tonight is go in fairly clinical detail through the medical evidence sir rounding george floyd's death. i know that i find it hard to contemplate his death in detail, so bare in mind it won't get graphic but it's intensely detailed and can be hard to hear, and with that said, professor butler i wonder if those details factored into the prosecution's case the way they intended? >> i think so joshua. the autopsy does not use the word asphyxia, but so far all of the medical experts except for the medical examiner, dr. baker, have said asphyxia. so the defense has tried to exploit this, and tell the jurors that if the well-qualified experts can't agree on what killed mr. floyd that is reasonable doubt, and the pro

it's andrew baker, dr. andrew baker, hennepin county medical examiner. he's the only person to do the official autopsy of george floyd. when he did the autopsy back in may and sent out that release, announced his results in june, he ruled the death a homicide but said it was the result of cardio pulmonary arrest. he mentioned neck compression but did not mention in his report asphyxiation. that gives you an idea why we are hearing from these medical experts, why we heard from dr. tobin and toxicologist and likely a cardiologist he today. they're trying to set up and the prosecution is trying to frame the testimony of dr. baker because that is what the defense has been relying on. dr. baker's testimony and the toxicology report references the fentanyl and the meth in george floyd's system. so this is a way to try to counter that before we hear from dr. baker later today, steph. >> shaq, thank you so much. i hope you get the weekend off. >>> we got to dig into this deeper. joining us now to discuss, glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and dr. vin gu

dr baker i've had to do. a number of photographs that should have exhibit numbers 186235185236187 when 88 when 891-919-1192 i represent you that's what you have ok and if you could just look through the set and just confirm for the record that those are photographs that you took. during your autopsy of mr george for. these are involved autopsy photographs of mr void and they were taken by me thank dr baker i'd like to redistribute them to the jury or. the prosecutor now distributing photos taken at the autopsy of george floyd 2 members of the jury who are not shown in the television coverage here which is why the pistol be a delay at the moment but the jury obviously nice to see these photographs. of. what was taken. at that autopsy. so the prosecutor coming back to his position in just a moment and then proceedings will resume. dr baker let me just ask you jim we 1st. about documented injuries that you saw with the spectacles george floyd i'll ask you about specific parts of the body ok did you know to the i

it is astounding especially when you consider the actual findings of doctor baker's because doctor baker is the only person who actually performed the autopsy. the only person that performed the actual autopsy. he told you that he specifically avoided watching the video because he didn't want to influence his autopsy. he testified that there was no evidence of asphyxia, no evidence of hemorrhaging, there was no bruising to the neck or back above the skin, under the skin or into the muscles of the neck and back and he would expect to see those things in a case like this. there was no finding that pressure was applied to the point to cause these injuries to the strictures of his neck and that when he did review the video it didn't appear the placement of the knee affected the structure of the neck because mr. floyd could lift up his head and move it around. he saw no fracture to the structure of the neck. there were no soft tissue injuries to the side of his neck. there was no hemorrhaging or injuring to the hypopharynx. no evidence of life-threatening injury to the neck or spinal column.

baker said, had it not been for those two things. all you have to do is look at the video and see what caused those two things. one of the people involved in that was the defendant who is right now on trial for the murder of george floyd. >> so appreciate you. the foreshadowing, you're right on the money as far as what we're about to see in cross with regard to some of this drug use. chief charles ramsey to you, because i know you want to make a point -- we were just talking about how this chief medical examiner is on the stand. he was testifying about what was found in george floyd's stomach. he was asked about pills. he said he didn't find any pills. didn't even find any pill fragments. we know we've talked before about previous testimony that some pills with george floyd's dna were found in that police squad car. i also remember, was it an eyewitness who was being asked about, you know, did you hear george floyd as he was down on the ground saying, i ate too many pills, what did you want to say about that? >> that's exactly what i

but doctor baker suggested something much different which was the mr. floyd heart simply could not handle the stress. of the circumstances. so your honor, the state has essentially introduced doubt in the context of providing multiple experts all of which seem to contradict each other. after that reason, we would ask the state excuse me escorts to grant the motion of judgment on acquittal. [inaudible]. >> thank you your honor motion for judgment of acquittal, most favorable to the state as we presented it. establishing it all of the elements of all of the crimes charged in the case of the defense of reasonable use of force. "the issue is" not whether there are inconsistencies minor inconsistencies of what witnesses say the issue was whether it is a whole by the state to this case and in terms of force analysis, the reasonable force, there's no question that the witnesses who have testified that the defendant was objectively unreasonable. he was not trained to do this kind minneapolis police department, he did not follow policy and is not follow procedur

was a medical term that's not what dr baker said dr baker said homicide means killed at the hands of another means at the hands of another is what homicide me. at the hands of another. and he was pretty clear in discussing the cause of death he said it was cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement so dual restraint and neck compression. and he did explain what complicating mean he said it means in the environment so it reads as though it is called cardiopulmonary arrest in the environment of law enforcement still dual restraint and that compression. what you were just told and that was attributed to dr baker's a somehow he meant that this was an unexpected result. it was an unexpected result of the law enforcement so do a restraint and mic. restraint and that compression back to baker didn't come in to talk to any of us about use of force by a police officer sees he's not the mind of any police officer it is not what he said it was simply words that will put into his mouth but you check your notes on what his testimony actually was and you'll see that that wasn't it. you've

josephine baker was the toast of wartime paris. virginia hall, a wealthy young woman from baltimore lost a leg in a hunting accident and noor khan was a muslim pacifist. the three of them were the most unlikely spies all working in a dangerous environment of german occupied france. please join me in welcoming today's guest. janelle is the deputy director of the central intelligence agency museum and elizabeth baer is a professor of holocaust studies as well as a volunteer in our museum's senior historian's office. hello, we are glad that you are here. janelle: good morning. edna: during the show, please send us questions in the comment section and we will get to as many of them as we can. janelle, let us begin with a woman who grew up in baltimore, maryland, virginia hall. she had a significant physical disability as a result of an accident. how did she become a spy? janelle: to really understand how someone like virginia hall became a spy and why she was so successful at it you need to go back to her youth and how she grew up. thi

doctor baker didn't talk to us about use of force. he's not in the mind of any police officer it is not what he said they are words put into his mouth you check your notes what his testimony was in you will see that was not it. you have heard no for the umpteenth time in the trial what is the evidence on autopsy for asphyxia? you have heard it from witness after witness on the stand even pulling out giant textbooks even doctor fowler the defense own expert says these are reliable authorities everyone says in half of the cases were somebody clearly died from insufficient oxygen you don't see any evidence in the body tissues. ladies and gentlemen, that is a fact. if this is supposed to be performing an honest assessment looking at the totality of the evidence, how is that not mentioned to you? i cannot even stop there. because you are also told about the law that applies to this. you were first told no question it was accurate and then told by mr. nelson that is not accurate. what he was talking about causation and fentanyl and heart fa

doctor baker noted back of hypoxia? >> i don't remember his exact words but you are describing of the changes in the neurons? >> yes, in the rain. >> that has to happen over a period of time. >> when someone is experiencing shortness or lack of oxygen to the brain, that will frequently lead to certain ways? >> yes. >> confusion is one? >> that could be. >> restlessness? >> would be, yes. >> shortness of breath? >> could be. >> visual changes? >> could be. >> incoherent speaking? >> could be. >> so your knowledge, did mr. floyd in the videos you observed ever complain of these visual changes? >> no. >> that he appeared to be confused tor you? >> what time. are we talking about? >> sure, if that helps maybe if we narrow it down the time, the nine minutes, during the nine minutes mr. floyd was restrained, did he appear confused to you? >> oh gosh. how do you describe this behavior? >> he was articulating what he was in pain, right? >> yes and that he couldn't breathe and called for his mother and says he loves people. you

baker was clear. those other factors are not direct causes of the death, the direct cause was cardio pulmonary arrest that was in the environment of the police subdual and restraint. after mr. nelson was finished, he said all i did is ask him about what he had written in the certificate on the case. cause of death, cardio pulmonary death. he was crystal clear on it. he did not equivocate. but what you have gotten here is a number of what i call stories. that once you analyze them and you -- >> your honor -- >> once you analyze them and -- against the facts and evidence that you heard, you'll see what i mean. take, for example, the notion that mr. floyd dying of cardio pulmonary arrest, dying from low oxygen was coincidental. he just happened to die at the same time in the same place of factors completely unrelated to what mr. chauvin was doing with his subdual and restraint. that's common sense. so if we treat each day that mr. floyd, born october 14th, 1973 and made it a dot on the page, we looked ov

baker -- dr. thomas, here's where they all converge is that they recognize first and foremost that there was a use of force by mr. chauvin that set off a number of things medically for mr. floyd that culminated in his death. remember, he died of cardio pulmonary arrest. that means the heart has stopped and he's no longer breathing. now, dr. baker will tell you that -- that this stress to which mr. floyd was subjected in the subdural and the restraint by mr. chauvin and others was enough in, of and by itself to explain mr. floyd's demise. when asked the question, what about his oxygen levels? did he have insufficient oxygen? that's not something that i can calculate as a forensic pathologist said dr. baker. that's not something i can calculate as a forensic pathologist said dr. fowler, and dr. thomas said the same thing, but the doctor, they said they would defer to the pulmonologist in every case which is who and what we have in dr. tobin who did the calculations, who can tell you how much oxygen

he made senator irvin the chair and senator baker of tennessee the co-chair. and that is one of the marvelous things about watergate the two of them worked together in the beginning. they said to one another we're going to make this thing work. we will not disagree about things in public and they didn't. no hearing since watergate has ever succeeded like watergate did because you didn't have two compatible people that reached to cross and tried to make one another work. that's that's a primary difference today. and when it was in in the years of watergate, they worked together. and you don't find that now i can hardly name you anything of major importance where the parties work together. can we talk about how it came about you subpoenaing the president? when did you when was it first decided that okay. we're going to send the subpoena to president nixon and how are you chosen to deliver it to him? well, the the senator met in his office in private with with committee members and said we're going to ask the president. if he will voluntarily turn over the tapes

baker will tell you that this stress to which mr. floyd was subjected in the restraint was enough in of and by itself to explain mr. flood's demise. when asked the question, what about his oxygen levels? that is not something i can calculate as a forensic pathologist, said dr. baker. that is not something i can calculate said dr. feller. he these doctors, dr. tobin did the calculations and can tell you how much oxygen was in his body. he could tell you when he is in the prone position that his oxygen would have decreased by 24%. he can tell you when weight was put on mr. floyd's back, the oxygen goes to 43%. he can tell you with the weight on his back that it would have narrowed to 15%, making it difficult for anyone to breathe. he was able to tell you medically and scientifically. not only could mr. floyd have survived, but no human being could have survived. based on science. if it is dismissed as theoretical, which is the word i think i heard, it is the same theoretical that dr. fowler said he would defer because he can't do it. t

baker, a member of the cherokee nation, also discusses his own family's voluntary move to oklahoma. this talk is part of an all day conference, part of the university of oklahoma center for the study of american indian law and policy and preservation of virginia. >> it now gives me great pleasure to introduce jack baker. he is a former member of the tribal council of the cherokee nation where he served for 11 years representing those cherokee citizens residing outside of the cherokee nation. he is the national president of the trail of tears association. he is also the current president of the o

it's because we don't know what andrew baker will say. based on the autopsy report where he didn't mention asphyxiation, based on the interviews with the investigators, there's a sign that it may not be exactly what prosecution wants the jury to hear. >> shaq, stick around. control room, as i bring in the rest of our experts here -- doctor, i want you to react to what are shots one and two. it was the testimony that said how to view autopsy and the best way to use an autopsy. take a listen. >> the way the autopsy really helps is it is great for ruling things out. in this case, the autopsy ruled out, for example, underlying lung disease. it ruled out injuries to the neck that suggest that his -- the bone in his neck had been broken, for example. it ruled out a stroke. he didn't have a stroke. it wasn't like his blood pressure was so high that he ruptured a vessel in his brain. he didn't have an aneurysm. he didn't have -- which is a ruptured vessel. he didn't have an embolism, which is a blood clot. he didn't rupture his heart. what i obse

from doctor baker. the manner of death of george floyd but the medical examiner says homicide it simply means the person died at the hands of another. that's what it means. i will show you in just a minute and doctor thomas will testify about that. died at the hands of another. you also learn the cause of death. cardiopulmonary arrest with law enforcement subdue will restraint. and i'll translate into english. the cause of death cardiopulmonary arrest. you will learn every human being on the planet has two things in common with every other human being. number one they are born and number two they die of cardiopulmonary arrest. all that means is the heart stops in the lungs stops. another way to say death. cause of death is death. complicating involving law enforcement to subdue george floyd and compressing his neck as cause of death. how the injury occurred? george floyd experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officers. so here we see it is homicide the choices tha

baker also but dr. thomas and all conversion -- is that they recognize first and foremost that there was a use force by mr. chauvin. that set off a number of things medically from mr. floyd that culminated in his death remember he died of cardiopulmonary arrest heart stopped and no longer breathing. now, doctor baker will tell you that, that this stress to which mr. floyd was subjected in the sub dual and restraighten on mr. chauvin and others, was enough in of and by itself to explain mr. floyd's demise. when asked the question, what about his oxygen levels? he have sufficient oxygen that's not something i can calculate as a forensic pathologist. dr. baker -- that's notul something i can calculate as a forensic pathologist dr. fowler -- and dr. thomas said same thing. butt these doctors they said thy would defer to pull nonnologist in the case who we have in dr. tobin who did the calculation. who can tell you how much oxygen was in mr. floyd's body and not onlyly that, he can tell you tht when he's put

>> it was discovered yesterday by doctor baker and what have precipitated it, your honor, was a piece of new evidence in the disclosure they came from the stand during the testimony and i want to show you, your honor, exactly what it was. it was in one of the slides. your honor, you can see here if i adjust the camera and what i am referring to judge is this very last reading here on the bottom where from the stand and the slide that mr. nelson has prepared was the statement and the discussion that in seven minutes the hemoglobin could have been increased ten or 18%. now, that was a new opinion and the word does not appear in the 31 pages of the report nor a discussion about the hemoglobin content in his blood in the concept of carbon monoxide was raised in the report but not blood gas issues related to it but sort of discussed in the same context of sort of taking drugs through the rectum and other things that were raised generally, but not a specific reference to the hemoglobin content and mr. floyd's blood. doctor baker heard the testimony and had not himself ever requested this an

baker, and what had precipitated this, your honor, was a piece of new evidence. it was disclosure that came from the stand during the testimony of doctor fowler. and want to show your honor exactly what it was. it was one of the slides that your honor can see here, if i adjust the camera. and what i'm referring to, judge, is this very last reading here on the bottom where come from the stand and the slide that mr. nelson compared was the statement and discussion that seven minutes mr. floyd's hemoglobin could increase by ten-18%. that was a new opinion. the word carboxy hemoglobin does not appear in 31 pages of the report at all nor a discussion about the carboxy hemoglobin content in his blood. the word, the concept of carbon monoxide was raised in the report but not blood gas issues related to it. it was sort of discussed in the same context of sort of taking drugs through the rectum and other things that were raised generally, but not a specific reference to the carboxy hemoglobin content in mr. floyd's blood. dr. baker heard the testimony, hadot not himself e

so baker i will start with you because your name is baker and vice president harris went to a bakery. i was on the five earlier and one williams accused republicans of engaging in a photocopy because they were at the border. but when you're at the board you can see what's happening firsthand you can talk to border agents you can talk to people who are trying to get into the country who have been detained. you can hopefully get eyeballs on some of these kids. when you're at a water treatment facility in oakland or a bakery in chicago you cannot see any that stuff. so who is engaging in the photooptical? >> you know what? both sides read both sides are engaging in hypocrisy. that's the part that drives me absolutely crazy on this. the previous four years, the left did not care about the kids. they cared about the issue as a hammer to be trumped with, right? now it's not cages, kids are not in cages anymore they are in facilities. it's not really an issue because biden does not trump and biting is kinder. but the right is doing the same thing, right? the right did not pass for years they

baker. dr. lindsey thomas. she complained it wasn't surprising that the low level of oxygen did not show up in the autopsy report. >> the primary mechanism was asphyxia or low oxygen, and it basically is mr. floyd was in a position, because of the sub dual, restraint and compression where he was unable to get enough oxygen in to maintain his body functions. >> are the findings on autopsy that suggest low oxygen as a cause of death? >> no. there's nothing on autopsy that shows low oxygen. >> there's no test that can be done for low oxygen on autopsy? >> no. >> dr. thomas added that she saw no evidence that george floyd would have died that night, except for the incident with those police officers. a crucial point. now, at the end of the trial's second week we've heard from 35 witnesses including eyewitnesses to floyd's death, choevin's former police colleagues and including the police chief and a number of medical experts. the prosecution is expected to rest its case early next week. joining me, a former law pro